The elephant in the room thread.

corktina · 12-01-2013 12:31pm

interesting scandal in the UK...could easily happen here...

http://www.buysellcortina.co.uk/forums/index.php?/topic/54077-spot-the-differance/page__pid__476001#entry476001

Type 17 · 12-01-2013 1:54pm

You need to be registered to see the thread - what's the summary?

corktina · 12-01-2013 4:29pm

register, it's free and a great cortina site...too complicated to summarize! Involves cloning and insurance fraud.

MrFoxman360 · 12-01-2013 4:50pm

corktina wrote: »

register, it's free and a great cortina site...too complicated to summarize! Involves cloning and insurance fraud.

Surely you could just copy and paste the story, save everyone the bother of having to register

(I am already a member but the link still doesnt work anyway

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jetfiremuck · 12-01-2013 4:55pm

ciarancapri wrote: »

Actually he has, as he is now using Discovery II bodies on the vintage chassis's he imports. The body mounts are the same.

No there not. The Disco 2 has a longer chassis and body than the Disco1. While the 100" wheelbase of the Classic range rover and disco 1 up to the disco 2 are the same, I cant see a pre 80 chassis fitting a Disco 2 body.

corktina · 12-01-2013 7:46pm

link works for me...lots of pictures

Posted Yesterday, 08:30 PM
.Ford Escort RS 2000 Tarmac Spec rally car
Reg: YWE 21T

From West Midlands

...Stolen by thieves from the home address who went to considerably lengths to take this particular car!

If you can help please contact the Police.
................. YWE 21T

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:............... MPY 568P

http://www.classic-a...2000-31967.aspx

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Posted Yesterday, 08:34 PM
interesting read on the escort site.....got a bit boring tho obviously the same car
and the insurance company now know the truth ....whoops someones in trouble
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Posted Yesterday, 08:37 PM
danb, on 11 January 2013 - 08:34 PM, said:
interesting read on the escort site.....got a bit boring tho obviously the same car
and the insurance company now know the truth ....whoops someones in trouble

yep Dan with us anal lot how do they think they could get away with it
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Posted Yesterday, 08:37 PM
Interesting. I'm not on the Escort site so what's the general gist on there?
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Posted Yesterday, 10:28 PM
Scumbags

Looks like its registered for a historic rally with the sponser sunstrip and door squares. Same as I used to fit for escort rally cars so hope it doesn't go or itl not be a nice car any more. Be covered in gravel rash
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Posted Yesterday, 11:14 PM
SPOT THE DIFFERANCE

gearstick

no panel in front of the gearstick in second car

needs police forensic examination though - hopefully stolen car owner has some paint left over -- no 2 mixes of paint are ever exactly the same
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Posted Yesterday, 11:24 PM
TIBBs my brain might be slow but

it had the p plate bk in 2010 and then probably it was nicked and put on t plate and now again its been nicked ??
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Posted Today, 01:00 AM
From what I'm reading, I think someone insured 'their' RS2000 using pics from another persons car, cleverly disguised with their own reg matching 'their' V5. They then claim the insurance for the theft except that in this case the classic car peeps have helped the insurance industry find it's a fraud.

Apparently the actual owner of the car is a bit upset that people think he's involved in the scam.

That's supposing what I've read is correct though.

It has highlighted a potential area of fraud too...

You own your nice classic motor.
You buy a log book off a well known auction site for a motor very similar.
You claim your motor is stolen.
You change the spec of your motor to match your newly acquired log book.
You pocket the insurance money and continue to drive your motor with a new paint job and plates.
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Posted Today, 08:08 AM
.........................................( This was copied from old school ford ) This may be whats happend ?

At a guess here's how the scam (if that's what it is) may have worked let's say YWE21T is the actual car

and MPY568P is a set of tags and logbook bought from ebay, the original MPY568P being scrapped years ago.

Two guys at different address's but within a reasonable distance from each other (100 mile radius) work together they buy YWE21T and the tags/logbook from ebay for MPY568P.

They insure both (at seperate addresses in different names with different companies). They grind off or weld over the chassis number on the inner wing. Then Man A takes YWE21T to a local test station for a MOT then gets a tax disc for it. Then they change the tags & number plates over from YWE21T to MPY568P. Man B then takes it for an MOT in his area and gets a tax disc for it. MPY568P is then stored at Man B's garage.

YWE21T is reported stolen from Man A's garage (after they damage the door and break some windows). MPY568P then appears for sale as a genuine car. So they get the insurance pay out for YWE21T and they get MPY568P to sell on.

The person who buys MPY568P loses £26,995 (if the scam is discovered) as does the insurance company (who then increase our premiums).
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the car is for sale at the moment dave cant copy your link you put on here for it in off topic
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Posted Today, 09:18 AM
Ah yes thats the sort of thing - I was presuming from the first post that the stolen car had been rung and up for sale.

A similar scam from years ago

These brothers were selling cars with twinned IDs , THEY WOULD KEEP SPARE KEYS - take the car back during the night and switch the car rapidly back to its REAL ID thus being able to safely have possesion of the car and the stolen one vanished into thin air. a lot harder to do these days with HPI checks etc.
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Muckie · 14-01-2013 1:02pm

Jesus, thats scary stuff, remember a few years back with Jap imported

cars arriving with two keys, dodgy importer sells on the car with one.

Then a few weeks/months later comes to drive away the car in the middle of the night.

Hard to trust anyone.

kuro2k · 14-01-2013 8:28pm

68deville wrote: »

Here is an interesting one!in the 90s i imported a 4x4 from japan and a friend of mine in cork in the trade had a customer for it,registered it 96 C xxxxx,sale never happened and he got it deregistered from the 96 C and a few months later i sold it to a lad from Kilkenny and i registered it 96 KK,
maybe this was commonplace but first and last time i heard of it being done.

It is possible to change the registration once motor tax hasn't been paid.

A friend of mine was looking for a new s class back in 2000, none of the dealers in dublin couldn't get one for him but he managed to find a KY registered s class in tralee where the original sale had fallen through.

The dealer was able to de-register the car and re-redister it with a D reg, apparently if motor tax is paid this route is blocked

carchaeologist · 14-01-2013 10:21pm

kuro2k wrote: »

It is possible to change the registration once motor tax hasn't been paid.

A friend of mine was looking for a new s class back in 2000, none of the dealers in dublin couldn't get one for him but he managed to find a KY registered s class in tralee where the original sale had fallen through.

The dealer was able to de-register the car and re-redister it with a D reg, apparently if motor tax is paid this route is blocked

Interesting.

mountai · 23-01-2013 5:29pm

Marlin Berlinetta -- For sale on DD --- Doesnt look like a 1979 Granada (Beige) to me !!!!

Carazy · 05-07-2013 12:31am

http://www.adverts.ie/motorbike-parts-accessories/old-brown-logbook-triumph/3366966

mb1725 · 05-07-2013 12:42am

Carazy wrote: »

http://www.adverts.ie/motorbike-parts-accessories/old-brown-logbook-triumph/3366966

TZT 47 log book advertised

I see the first owner was in Ballinspittle where the moving statues came from. :rolleyes:

corktina · 05-07-2013 6:22am

hopefully the Revenue find it too!

adunis · 07-07-2013 7:59am

Genuine land rover reshells/rebodies do exist and I've a pain in my @rse from trying to defend the one I built/preserved in a nut shell it is 1978 range rover two door chassis and running gear and had both a fourtrak and a defender engine in it defender when imported,with a 1984 registered 1983(Feb) build body and interior and a 3.5 v8 and 3 speed auto of indeterminate origin.I posted pics only the other day on pics of your classic there's also a video on you tube.A consequence of all this @rsing around is the last time I checked on the cartells etc. Its still listed as a vouge TDI something the revenue did cos they didn't know what to describe it as on the docs. At this stage I'm an expert at identifying year specific details of range rovers and I can honestly say that about quarter of them are genuine if anybody Want's lessons just ask me ,early 4 doors like mine are the big victim in all of this they are just gone,don't even get me started on the discovery on vintage chassis bit.why all this pain ,simple I have no money and this thing hasn't cost me much more than time.I normally describe it as a 1983 car to spare the explanations/history lesson.Apologies for text posted from a phone.

adunis · 07-07-2013 8:02am

Sorry lost start of above thread should have read along the lines of "A classic example of all of the above Range Rovers"

corktina · 07-07-2013 9:14am

the running gear and body/interior have no bearing on it. If it's a 1978 chassis , then that's what it is still. It's the ones that claim to have Vintage chassis' but in reality are modern vehicles ringed behind a vintage taxbook that are the Elephant here.

adunis · 07-07-2013 9:29am

corktina wrote: »

the running gear and body/interior have no bearing on it. If it's a 1978 chassis , then that's what it is still. It's the ones that claim to have Vintage chassis' but in reality are modern vehicles ringed behind a vintage taxbook that are the Elephant here.

What can I say personally I hope some day they crush all the ringers unfortunately anything built before and after 1980 is a potential ringer those of seperate chassis construction are even more likely to be.I personally think a classic should be based on how many of a particular thing are left the truly awful will be completely gone regardless and even if they ain't they prrob deserve the title by default.

adunis · 07-07-2013 9:34am

adunis wrote: »

What can I say personally I hope some day they crush all the ringers unfortunately anything built before and after 1980 is a potential ringer those of seperate chassis construction are even more likely to be.I personally think a classic should be based on how many of a particular thing are left the truly awful will be completely gone regardless and even if they ain't they prrob deserve the title by default.

P.s. there's a good chance I'll be at crossbarry today children dependant if you want to say hello I'll be there with a big blue v8 house brick !!!!!!!

jetfiremuck · 09-07-2013 12:41am

adunis wrote: »

Genuine land rover reshells/rebodies do exist and I've a pain in my @rse from trying to defend the one I built/preserved in a nut shell it is 1978 range rover two door chassis and running gear and had both a fourtrak and a defender engine in it defender when imported,with a 1984 registered 1983(Feb) build body and interior and a 3.5 v8 and 3 speed auto of indeterminate origin.I posted pics only the other day on pics of your classic there's also a video on you tube.A consequence of all this @rsing around is the last time I checked on the cartells etc. Its still listed as a vouge TDI something the revenue did cos they didn't know what to describe it as on the docs. At this stage I'm an expert at identifying year specific details of range rovers and I can honestly say that about quarter of them are genuine if anybody Want's lessons just ask me ,early 4 doors like mine are the big victim in all of this they are just gone,don't even get me started on the discovery on vintage chassis bit.why all this pain ,simple I have no money and this thing hasn't cost me much more than time.I normally describe it as a 1983 car to spare the explanations/history lesson.Apologies for text posted from a phone.

Was it difficult to do the changeover?

So its straight forward tochange an up to 95 range rover classic and discovery 1 to 97 to a pre 80 range rover chassis is the way to go Isnt the rear shock placement is a clue as to the chassis year?

adunis · 09-07-2013 7:39pm

jetfiremuck wrote: »

Was it difficult to do the changeover?

So its straight forward tochange an up to 95 range rover classic and discovery 1 to 97 to a pre 80 range rover chassis is the way to go Isnt the rear shock placement is a clue as to the chassis year?

Nuts and bolts/hot spanner grinder ,piece of pi55,but why ?,weld the body up and don't bastardise it,here's a news flash a 1983 range rover is just as nice as a 1994 one,if your really pushed put a 5 speed manual and anti roll bars which will lose you your staggered shocks/early axle and people won't believe its old ,also v8 will do 18 mpg all day long if you don't live in town put it on gas its will be the monetary equivalent of 24ish mpg,diesel 30 mpg at best how much are you gonna use it ?

kasper · 27-07-2013 11:24pm

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/jaguar-mk2-log-book-wanted/5416148

no beating around the bush with this guy

davycc · 29-07-2013 11:13pm

kasper wrote: »

http://cars.donedeal.ie/vintagecars-for-sale/jaguar-mk2-log-book-wanted/5416148

no beating around the bush with this guy

jag mk2 logbook in the link but ad has already been removed:cool:

did you report the ad to DD already kasper?

kasper · 30-07-2013 11:18am

davycc wrote: »

jag mk2 logbook in the link but ad has already been removed:cool:

did you report the ad to DD already kasper?

no I did not report it , that is just one example of many and I wouldn't like to make any enemies . sure some people don't believe cloning exists .

Silvera · 30-07-2013 6:19pm

davycc wrote: »

jag mk2 logbook in the link but ad has already been removed:cool:

did you report the ad to DD already kasper?

I have a 'spare' Jag Mk2 logbook!:D ...not for sale:p

Capri · 31-07-2013 6:43am

Here's a pic (bottom right) of a Range-tina. Cortina estate on Range Rover chassis :eek::eek:

Interesting possibilities if anyone had enough time , welding gear :rolleyes:

serious3 · 31-07-2013 8:27am

there was an irish reg'd mgb-gt last week on done deal 1965 i think, someone had gone to the trouble of fitting the later interior, dashboard, door cards, bumpers, suspension...... oh and a friend went to look at the vintage v8 range rover converted to diesel, owner got all defensive and asked my mate to leave when he asked about the lack of chassis numbers....

dr.fuzzenstein · 31-07-2013 4:23pm

serious3 wrote: »

there was an irish reg'd mgb-gt last week on done deal 1965 i think, someone had gone to the trouble of fitting the later interior, dashboard, door cards, bumpers, suspension...... oh and a friend went to look at the vintage v8 range rover converted to diesel, owner got all defensive and asked my mate to leave when he asked about the lack of chassis numbers....

That in itself should carry the death penalty.

kuro2k · 31-07-2013 7:06pm

swarlb · 31-07-2013 7:35pm

kuro2k wrote: »

Whats wrong with it (I know nothing about Mercs) ?

Type 17 · 31-07-2013 7:46pm

A 1980 E-class Merc would be a W123 model - this is a W124 model from 86 − 96

Also the 250 engine (2.5 litre) was discontinued during the W123 model run (and the car is the wrong colour

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hi5 · 31-07-2013 7:51pm

swarlb wrote: »

Whats wrong with it (I know nothing about Mercs) ?

1980 reg, that model (w124) didn't come out till about 86, although I think some coco offices allowed the transfer of old regs numbers, but were they still doing it up to 86?

Type 17 · 31-07-2013 8:06pm

Even if transfers were being done up to '86 (which I doubt), the colour is wrong.

Also, the records show it as a petrol car - the white one could be a W124 250 diesel (5-cylinder OM602 or 605 engines), but no petrol W124s were 2.5 - the only 2.5 petrol engine came in the W123 (M114 or M123).

mb1725 · 31-07-2013 8:40pm

I would nearly swear that plate originally belonged to a well known funeral director in Cork.

adunis · 31-07-2013 9:06pm

Anybody notice all the Porsche 944's appearing that are wearing 924 identities,some even have oval dashboards,for what it's worth cartell et Al aren't very dependable,seems I have a 3.5 petrol range rover TDI at least they have the year and colour right !!!!!!!

mountai · 31-07-2013 9:13pm

Check this one out.

Car picture.jpg

mountai · 31-07-2013 9:31pm

And this one

corktina · 31-07-2013 9:34pm

Kit cars...depends what they are based on

pounder770 · 13-08-2013 10:16am

Here's a real beaut......

Kenny Logins · 13-08-2013 10:23am

pounder770 wrote: »

Here's a real beaut......

WTF?

pounder770 · 13-08-2013 10:30am

Kenny Logins wrote: »

WTF?

Apparently it's an MG......

This picture was taken at a show recently.....

hi5 · 13-08-2013 1:15pm

An orange 1973 MG Midget.

it deserves its own picture for the record

Kenny Logins · 13-08-2013 1:20pm

The owner of that 'MG' is seriously taking the piss.

Muckie · 13-08-2013 1:34pm

Wonder if he has "classic insurance" on it too :pac:

delthedriver · 13-08-2013 5:59pm

Basil Fawlty · 13-08-2013 9:13pm

He probably did that just to watch you lads have a canary. Hilarious!

oceanman · 14-08-2013 11:50am

Basil Fawlty wrote: »

He probably did that just to watch you lads have a canary. Hilarious!

yeah I was thinking the same myself:)

adunis · 14-08-2013 8:35pm

FFS revenue man hello where are you ?,seriously what kind of a country is this ?.......,ah sure let's bend the rules nudge nudge wink wink,it will never change cos we're all a bunch of fcukin emits for putting up with this carry on in all aspects of our society dare i I mention bankers and politicians,I wish I was a French farmer/trucker And has some balls but no let's all keep shouting into an empty fcuking room.

mountai · 14-08-2013 9:07pm

Heres another one. Dont know what part of an MG Midget was used. Certainly not the chassis, (Impossible) Might it be the engine?? 1500 engin in a cobra?? Dont think so ---- Yes its just clicked ---- The Number plate!!!!!

Capri · 14-08-2013 11:01pm

mountai wrote: »

Heres another one. Dont know what part of an MG Midget was used. Certainly not the chassis, (Impossible) Might it be the engine?? 1500 engin in a cobra?? Dont think so ---- Yes its just clicked ---- The Number plate!!!!!

XLI 245 in front of it

Regarding 're-regs' - Does the UK / NI have a similar problem , NO, because their govt. has a sensible approach to motor tax rates !!!

macplaxton · 15-08-2013 1:47am

Capri wrote: »

Regarding 're-regs' - Does the UK / NI have a similar problem

YES, a small one. Not blatant, your average Joe wouldn't spot it, but mainly cars that would otherwise fall the wrong side of the tax exemption line, mysteriously getting an earlier identity to pay Historic Vehicle VED (e.g. Nil rate)

The elephant in the room thread.

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