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Eir Fibre Rollout Mapping

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  • #102
    Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭Praetorian


    I just added 3 more onto the map for the Belcamp exchange. I've a feeling there are many more to be found.


  • #103
    allen175
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭allen175


    Added some cabs around kilbarrack and baldoyle that have notices on them, will update them when work starts, still have my eye on some of the cabs in sutton and howth that should have notices on them soon.


  • #104
    Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭Praetorian


    Just added another in Belcamp exchange area, also I renamed the majority of the Belcamp markers to the more established naming scheme. Belcamp - BLP - Location


  • #105
    pistolpetes11
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Our mappers are hunters in many cases. However most cabs are beside cable cabs buts sometimes space is tight on a pavement, etc.

    Im off hunting tomorrow around , Newbridge ,

    Is there a way to easily map from my mobile (ios)


  • #106
    Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭Praetorian


    pistolpetes11 wrote: »
    Im off hunting tomorrow around , Newbridge ,

    Is there a way to easily map from my mobile (ios)

    A laptop tethered to phone is handy. Or gps tagged photos on your phone (one of my tags came up in the Philippines though) :) . Or paper / pen write location notes for yourself & then add onto the map later.

    If we had an appthat would add to the map automatically from a gps tagged photo, that would be the business. But it's hardly worth the effort :)


  • #107
    red_bairn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,343 ✭✭✭red_bairn


    Praetorian wrote: »
    A laptop tethered to phone is handy. Or gps tagged photos on your phone (one of my tags came up in the Philippines though) :) . Or paper / pen write location notes for yourself & then add onto the map later.

    If we had an appthat would add to the map automatically from a gps tagged photo, that would be the business. But it's hardly worth the effort :)

    Or this...
    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Nobody in Tralee has mapped a sausage yet, any chance you can help then???

    Use Yahoo maps if you must.

    http://maps.yahoo.com/

    Double click in to the precise spot where cab is and copy the entire link up top in a post here. Giz as many as you have. Looks like so.

    http://maps.yahoo.com/#lat=53.27077935440895&lon=-9.072936773300171&zoom=19&mvt=m&trf=0

    And I'll do the rest.


  • #108
    funnyname
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 ✭✭✭funnyname


    One added to Oranhill Oranmore, that's 4 now in Oranmore, there's probably a few more as well

    https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=200976005490800150654.0004d6a674e6be3826dcb&msa=0&ll=53.256597,-8.92629&spn=0.002038,0.006539


  • #109
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    As we get further into this you will notice the Add a cab map is now on page 5 nearly 6

    Exchanges end up grouped for clarity and EG Arklow is on page 1 and Shantalla on Page 2 and Drogheda on page 3 of the map.

    So here is how to drop in a cab for an exchange with lots of cabs already.

    1. First go to the page in the editable map containing 'your exchange'
    2. Click edit. Add the cabs
    3. They will be down at the bottom of that page. Click on them and drag them up to the right place and drop them there.

    As long as you move them off the bottom of the page BEFORE you click DONE they will stay on the right page.

    If you simply add cabs and press done they are automatically shoved in at the very end and have to be dragged around the place afterwards. It works but it creates work.

    Many thanks. smile.png

    SB


  • #110
    dave1982
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,604 ✭✭✭dave1982


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    It is connected to Midleton. Could someone check Glanmire as I would expect that is showning Cabinets too and surely Carrigaline and Cobh have more cabinets than the few mapped so far. :)

    I think have seen 2 but uncertain they are only about 500 metres apart


  • #111
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    dave1982 wrote: »
    I think have seen 2 but uncertain they are only about 500 metres apart

    That would be right. They are often strung along a main road in suburbia at close intervals feeding estates off the road. Once you spot one for sure they appear everywhere. :)


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  • #112
    petersburg2002
    Closed Accounts Posts: 346 ✭✭petersburg2002


    I'll have a scout around Glanmire tomorrow.


  • #113
    KAGY
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭KAGY


    Praetorian wrote: »
    A laptop tethered to phone is handy. Or gps tagged photos on your phone (one of my tags came up in the Philippines though) :) . Or paper / pen write location notes for yourself & then add onto the map later.

    If we had an appthat would add to the map automatically from a gps tagged photo, that would be the business. But it's hardly worth the effort :)

    Pity this wasn't started in openstreetmaps. Plenty of (mobile) editing apps for that. (But whatever works for the majority - I accept in crowd sourcing projects ease of access/use takes priority)


  • #114
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    KAGY wrote: »
    Pity this wasn't started in openstreetmaps. Plenty of (mobile) editing apps for that. (But whatever works for the majority - I accept in crowd sourcing projects ease of access/use takes priority)

    My preference would be OSM but OSM tagging/rendering for Telecommmunications= objects is grossly underdeveloped and the data in this exercise (bar 2 exchanges PPK and DDM ) is entirely crowdsourced using the simplest methods possible and in a manner that is entirely compliant with OSM rules.

    Now if OSM will sort out their recent Tag standard excursion into telecoms we will have a database ready for a single ingest into OSM at any time. :)

    If anybody wants to look at HOW GOOD OSM is they should look at Galway and Ennis nowadays and remember that these maps were done mainly by Boardsies in their spare time, especially guys like Dacor and Mackerski but that is also because Galway and Ennis have the high resolution aerial pictures since 2012 and Bray - Dublin - Dundalk ( and the Pale) does not have them yet ...but they are imminent. OSM , therefore, is thin on data from the border to Bray where we have mapped a lot of stuff. In other words we have no streets in OSM for these areas and we cannot mark cabinets beside them anyway.

    Having said that if someone want me to take a job lot of POIs from OSMtracker in Android that is not a problem at all, I can quickly mark up in a spreadsheet and inject into a kml en bloc from there.

    And Yes. This data is all headed for OSM once OSM sort their end out and provide a better telecommunications= marking environment like they do for building= and power= and Roads= categories and once the base mapping along the east coast is complete as I expect by end 2013.

    I'll personally make sure it the data correctly provenanced and ingest ready and I will take this up with Dacor and Mackerski quite soon. But we need more data first. :)


  • #115
    Richard Dower
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Gonna go hunting again today, take a walk out the Ennis Road area and see what i spot, pretty sure there are a load out that way + will take pics.


  • #116
    syboit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭syboit


    petersburg2002 wrote: »
    I'll have a scout around Glanmire tomorrow.

    Was around Glanmire (by school upto small shopping center) and I didnt see any. Was in Cobh last night and didnt spot any there either (saying that I couldn't see any of the older type cab's either :)

    Seen one this morning on the ballincurra road from the midelton roundabout will mark it later.


  • #117
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    I'm amazed at the lack of cabinets to be found in the Docklands area of Dublin (the Grand Canal Dock end of things). I didn't see a single cabinet in the area between the Liffey, Macken St., Pearse St. and Grand Canal Dock itself. I checked out pretty much every street around Benson St. and Misery Hill etc. I saw a couple of generic grey cabinets which may have been used for traffic signals or security cameras or UPC for all I know. There weren't even that many eircom manholes.


  • #118
    Codpeas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Codpeas


    Found another couple. The first has been there a while I just forgot to send it on. The second one has appeared in the last week.

    Clonee
    53.392019,-6.432313 Annaly Terrace

    Blanchardstown
    53.395185,-6.400238 Sheepmoor (at side of 1 Sheepmoor Ave)


  • #119
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    To_be_confirmed wrote: »
    I'm amazed at the lack of cabinets to be found in the Docklands area of Dublin (the Grand Canal Dock end of things). I didn't see a single cabinet in the area between the Liffey, Macken St., Pearse St. and Grand Canal Dock itself.

    Must be underground so. Or else they are largely inside apartment complexes where the rain and vandals are not such a problem.

    There are no cabs east of/along the canal in the Adelaide Road area so please don't waste your valuable time with the outer reaches of D2 .....not this year. :)


  • #120
    lucernarian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,235 ✭✭✭lucernarian


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Must be underground so. Or else they are largely inside apartment complexes where the rain and vandals are not such a problem.

    There are no cabs east of/along the canal in the Adelaide Road area so please don't waste your valuable time with the outer reaches of D2 .....not this year. :)
    It'll take me quite a long time to get to that part of Dublin. The nearest I'd ever be to Adelaide Road would be Stephen's Green! I can probably check out some of the Beggars Bush area (Ringsend for instance) so will keep the thread updated on that.

    I'm presuming the cabs are in apartment blocks? If they were underground I'd expect to see more manholes than are actually visible. Maybe anyone who knows what the story is with Crown Alley could send a PM or let everyone know on the thread.


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  • #121
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Crown Alley and Dame Court near the castle has most of the government comms so the cable cabinets would be 'more secure' in that area. I'd expect them to be indoors or in foot tunnels. :)


  • #122
    Richard Dower
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Richard Dower wrote: »
    Spotted two more VDSL cabinets in Limerick, one here: http://goo.gl/maps/5drwV

    Want to make an adjustment here....i double checked today and took pics, there is no VSDL cab at the location above:


    Another one here: http://goo.gl/maps/MnQ4V


    ^ there is however one here.

    First pic relates to the not there cab, the next two pics relate to the really there cab :)


  • #123
    Richard Dower
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    So i took a long walk today out and around the Ennis Road area of Limerick, a rather unsucessful cab hunting session :(

    I only spotted one cab, pics included - map location = http://goo.gl/maps/cB2fI


  • #124
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Both sorted Richard. Thanks.


  • #125
    TMC99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭TMC99


    Been reading with interest and found a location in Shannon today - not sure how to add to the map though as its a new location - is someone assigning the three letter codes to them or does the person adding do that ? I have not added the below to the map

    http://goo.gl/maps/ZWsRY

    The VDSL cabinet is located right beside the existing cabinet - do I need a photo ?


  • #126
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Great, another town kicked off this week. I'll do it for you.

    Firstly Newtownmountkennedy and also Cavan, Mullingar, Athlone Rathmines and now Shannon :)

    Very few of the 2013 towns are not showing serious activity and we have a real reason to assume that many if not most can launch by late Autumn rather than christmas. :)


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  • #127
    Skidfingers
    Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭Skidfingers


    When will they have everywhere in the country done?


  • #128
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Skidfingers wrote: »
    When will they have everywhere in the country done?

    Never.

    They are committed to around 7500 cabinets which can cover around 0.5km sq each to High Speed (100mbit) or less than 4000 sq km if perfectly distributed. A tad over 5% of the state by area in nominal terms and less in practice as they are more densely clumped than that in urban areas.

    We have no install dates for 80ish exchanges at all although they say they will do them some time. These are not large exchanges anyway and will typically get 5-10 cabinets only _if_ eircom ever get around to it.

    If they won't give us a date soon maybe they never will. :(


  • #129
    TMC99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭TMC99


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Great, another town kicked off this week. I'll do it for you.

    Firstly Newtownmountkennedy and also Cavan, Mullingar, Athlone Rathmines and now Shannon :)

    Very few of the 2013 towns are not showing serious activity and we have a real reason to assume that many if not most can launch by late Autumn rather than christmas. :)

    Has Shannon appear on a schedule list ? That's what made me hesitant as I was not expecting to see one in Shannon. This morning KN Networks starting digging outside the office - directly opposite an existing cabinet also.


  • #130
    Sponge Bob
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    TMC99 wrote: »
    Has Shannon appear on a schedule list ?

    Yes, see the activity tracker link below. That means there are another 20 :):) to map in Shannon I should think. As long as it has that big lock it is a VDSL cabinet. link to picture below to check.


  • #131
    Codpeas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 267 ✭✭Codpeas


    Popped round to a mates house this evening and spotted the following on the way:

    53.292898,-6.310171 Firhouse Road? (R114), corner of Woodbrook Park
    53.293358,-6.309307 Jct of R114/Ballyroan Road Cabinet 1 of 2
    53.293366,-6.309281 Jct of R114/Ballyroan Road Cabinet 2 of 2
    53.295466,-6.298488 Butterfield Avenue, at shopping centre carpark next to petrol station
    53.296271,-6.296545 corner of Butterfield Avenue and Fairways

    Can someone pop these on the map?

    In theory these should all be on the Ballyboden exchange but I can only kinda confirm that for the one at the petrol station - exchange code on tag appeared to be: BLB.


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  • #132
    Harry Deerpark
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Harry Deerpark


    Right, folks, Sponge Bob has been permanently banned by the Admins and we don't know if he's coming back. This is bad because he's a vital cog in this mapping project, it's highly unlikely it will continue without him.

    I'm thinking of creating a group on Facebook and trying to invite Sponge Bob to join that group so we can stay in contact with him. Would anyone be interested in joining? You don't have to use your real profiles as I won't be either.

    I'll contact the admin and see if he can pass on the message to Sponge Bob.


  • #133
    Solair
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,230 ✭✭✭Solair


    It's not some breech of site T&Cs to map stuff or something is it?!

    He always seemed very civil & helpful on this forum anyway


  • #134
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    I notice a message of the day surreptitiously placed in his map, a message from beyond! :eek: Looks like the read-only map will continue to be updated so we can still work away.

    I'm not one to question admin activities but here's to hoping it's some basically automatic response like the incident in the "I found a safe!" thread.

    Anyhoo back on topic... I've started adding any pictures I can find to the pins, it can help clear up some of the locations if people aren't too familiar with their area.


  • #135
    pistolpetes11
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    The reason SB got banned is prob best not discussed here folks :( ,

    Anyway I PM'd the admin who is dealing with SB's case ,

    Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if no one has contact details for SB the project might be dead in the water ,

    They cant give out his details obviously for data protection reasons and there is no way to enable PM's to him .

    I suppose someone could set up the facebook page and leave the link here, I am sure he will be keeping an eye on the forum


  • #136
    Praetorian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,712 ✭✭✭Praetorian


    I'm hoping for a decent explanation on this one too. I can only see Sponge Bob contributing very positively to the site in general. If someone knows a way to get in contact with him please pm me.


  • #137
    pistolpetes11
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    Im in the map and logged in but cant see the edit button , any ideas ?

    Maybe some one could add them ,

    Walshestown Abbey
    53.163279,-6.784723
    Cabinet in place

    Curragh Grange, The Hall ,
    53.166363,-6.799303
    Cabinet in place

    I see some one has added the close in already

    Then at the top of the Athgarvan road , they have the plint and cables/bolts in place and would expect the cab to be there in the next day or two

    Athgarvan Road
    53.177318,-6.794738

    I expect there is more in old Kilbelin and Liffey hall but I didnt find them , most of the green road and into the town is on UPC fibre and then for the back end of town and out towards Rosberry is now on UPC fibre I believe ,

    If not hopefully someone out that neck of the woods will map a few , Il have another look about again in a day or two ,

    I found a lot of estates with just cable cabs and they seem a decent distance from the nearest VDSL cab so there should be more movement soon , all there is a lot of cable pulling going on in the main street of Newbridge ,

    Newbridge is absolutely massive , I easily went by well over a thousand homes , apartments that will be ripe for the picking if eircom do this correctly, and I only really kept to Estates along the Athgarvan road


  • #138
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    You in the read & write one?: http://bit.ly/ZDmzXl


  • #139
    pistolpetes11
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 7,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭pistolpetes11


    TheChizler wrote: »
    You in the read & write one?: http://bit.ly/ZDmzXl

    Was in the wrong one , Il have a look tomorrow , Im off to the bed now


  • #140
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    pistolpetes11 wrote: »
    Im in the map and logged in but cant see the edit button , any ideas ?

    Maybe some one could add them ,

    Walshestown Abbey
    53.163279,-6.784723
    Cabinet in place

    Curragh Grange, The Hall ,
    53.166363,-6.799303
    Cabinet in place

    I see some one has added the close in already

    Then at the top of the Athgarvan road , they have the plint and cables/bolts in place and would expect the cab to be there in the next day or two

    Athgarvan Road
    53.177318,-6.794738

    Added!


  • #141
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Folks I don't know why Sponge Bob was banned, but I can assure you that it has nothing to do with the Broadband forum or this mapping project.

    So until he is back, lets keep up this fantastic effort.

    No more discussion about his ban now, thanks.

    MOD


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  • #142
    Skidfingers
    Registered Users Posts: 334 ✭✭Skidfingers


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Never.

    They are committed to around 7500 cabinets which can cover around 0.5km sq each to High Speed (100mbit) or less than 4000 sq km if perfectly distributed. A tad over 5% of the state by area in nominal terms and less in practice as they are more densely clumped than that in urban areas.

    We have no install dates for 80ish exchanges at all although they say they will do them some time. These are not large exchanges anyway and will typically get 5-10 cabinets only _if_ eircom ever get around to it.

    If they won't give us a date soon maybe they never will. :(

    I was on phone to them other day, 12 month contract. They said they'd ring when fibre in my area, if it isn't in my area between now and this time next year.. They'll be on the back of a serious rollicking because I'm seriously pissed off with them. It's a joke!


  • #143
    Richard Dower
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    Wtf?....Sponge Bob gone?....anyhow, gonna keep adding. Spotted another VDSL cab here yesterday, right next to the big fella....no pics taken but its there :-)

    http://goo.gl/maps/tDXul


  • #144
    Kromdar
    Registered Users Posts: 783 ✭✭✭Kromdar


    Skidfingers wrote: »
    I was on phone to them other day, 12 month contract. They said they'd ring when fibre in my area, if it isn't in my area between now and this time next year.. They'll be on the back of a serious rollicking because I'm seriously pissed off with them. It's a joke!

    Depends on your area. It was stated earlier that its being rolled out to the urban areas only. Likely the rural areas will stay with DSL :(

    I'll have a scout around the northeast end of the belcamp exchange area tonight and see if i can fill in any gaps.


  • #145
    wheresmybeaver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,120 ✭✭✭wheresmybeaver


    I passed an Eircom van this morning blowing optic cable into the ducts at Ashgrove view in Ballyvolane (beside Dunnes) in Cork, so it looks like it's only a few weeks until cabinets are installed for this part of the city. And then on to Glanmire, I hope!

    Odd about the SpongeBob ban, he was obviously rubbing someone up the wrong way?


  • #146
    Richard Dower
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    wheresmybeaver wrote: »
    Odd about the SpongeBob ban, he was obviously rubbing someone up the wrong way?

    :P i see what you did there.....;)


  • #147
    syboit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭syboit


    2 more added for midelton, going out the ballincurra road


  • #148
    Richard Dower
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 21,634 ✭✭✭✭Richard Dower


    I spotted 3 more VDSL cabs on my way up to Lidl....there is a VDSL and a larger green cab located here, or as i like to call them Mr. Big and Mr. Small :-)

    http://goo.gl/maps/I9Bzv

    Mr Big + Small where that green box and brick work is: http://goo.gl/maps/3iJSv

    One here: http://goo.gl/maps/QFjPq


  • #149
    TheChizler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭TheChizler


    Richard Dower wrote: »
    I spotted 3 more VDSL cabs on my way up to Lidl....there is a VDSL and a larger green cab located here, or as i like to call them Mr. Big and Mr. Small :-)

    http://goo.gl/maps/I9Bzv

    Mr Big + Small where that green box and brick work is: http://goo.gl/maps/3iJSv

    One here: http://goo.gl/maps/QFjPq

    Added!


  • #150
    mackerski
    Registered Users Posts: 2,281 ✭✭✭mackerski


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Now if OSM will sort out their recent Tag standard excursion into telecoms we will have a database ready for a single ingest into OSM at any time. :)

    I see my ears were burning. A few comments on this. Firstly, I see from stuff you've said elsewhere that this data is copyright clean due to primary sourcing. As you obviously realise, this is important if it is to come into OSM. Keep in mind that any tainting from OSI maps or other copyright sources (say, anything derived from such maps originally) is still a problem.

    Edit: The same is true of deriving information from Google Street View. Anything derived in this way cannot be accepted into OSM (Google's decision).

    On the tagging schema, understand that you can use any tags or extensions to already common tagging that you wish to and that you may require. The wiki documentation do not represent centralised standards, OSM doesn't really have those for tagging. Rather everything is driven by pragmatic adherence to norms.

    So the best thing you can do if you find that the schema you find documented is insufficient is to extend it. Usually this is possible in a way that doesn't conflict with how others are already tagging stuff.

    A good example of this is special cases of "service" roads, highway=service. This is the common tag for laneways, driveways, parking aisles and so on. But what if you realise that it would be nice to be able to indicate what kind of service road it is? Simply augment the highway=service with service=driveway or service=parking_aisle. That's what the community now does.

    I got your PM with thoughts on how to do the tagging. I don't have time to review that immediately, but I'll compare it with what's on the wiki and see if there's a nice OSM-ish way to extend what's there to accept what you need.


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  • #151
    joe4424
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭joe4424


    just added 2 in Ballyfermot Right beside each other


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