Lesbian transgender couple declares their plan to transition their 5-year-old son

klaaaz wrote: »

The medical community(plus many other professional bodies) who are neither sjw's or liberals(bloody American terms) know far more than both of you about transgender people, the medical community don't treat transgender people as having "not stable mental issues" or not "normal".

Thats lovely and all but it doesn't change the fact there basically on the same level as any other person with a mental illness.


If your born one thing and your brain is telling you something else theres something wrong there no matter what way you look at it.

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Not close minded at all just concerned for the child's well being.

The key part is where you "The kids choice" do you honestly believe that a child that young wants to become a woman for the rest of his life. A 5 year old knows that at his age and we should just let the parents brainwash him into become a woman before they start him on the transition treatment and drugs.

Possible, yes, because I've seen it happen. Personally. Possibly not, though - which is why I'm against coersion.

Should we tell the child that his mental health is likely to be affected by "his choice" in his teenage years since almost 50% of trans young people attempt suicide. Or should we just ignore the facts and statistics and just let them do as they please with their child?

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/trans-young-people-suicide-support-mental-health

https://www.itv.com/news/2018-09-26/british-streets-still-not-safe-for-trans-people-who-are-left-suicidal-and-self-harming-campaigner-tells-itv-news/

https://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUKKCN1LS39K

Are you saying that transgender is a mental health issue?

Andy Alive Greengrocer wrote: »

What? You're the one who doesn't appear to have read the article. As said numerous times, it's not the child wearing dresses, it's his parents planning to transition him as soon as possible. One of the parents is even using female pronouns regarding the child already.

From the article:

Social workers from North Lanarkshire in Scotland where the Rogerses live have reportedly checked in on the family after an anonymous complaint from a neighbor, but determined that there were no signs of abuse.

Furthermore, it refers to the child's choice several times.

Wearing dresses at five does not necessarily mean he's trans. Why does this even have to be explained?

I agree. Never said contrary,

Again: I'm NOT saying "the child is trans!!" - I'm saying it's not impossible.

Also telling someone they seem closed-minded, as you did on the basis of one post (a post which was not written in a hostile manner at all) makes you look closed-minded also. Not every liberal outlook is a positive - and a person can have their reservations about it without being a closed-minded individual.

OP said he had a hard time believing the child hand't been influenced by the parents. Based on what? Does he know the parents personally? Because if not, then that's close-minded.

Again - it's possible. Not definite, not probably, maybe not even likely.

Possible.

klaaaz wrote: »

It is not a mental illness no matter how many times you try to state it. The HSE do not treat as being transgender as a mental illness, no consultant or GP does either, you're wrong.
As to the self-harming, the link posted previously https://www.itv.com/news/2018-09-26/british-streets-still-not-safe-for-trans-people-who-are-left-suicidal-and-self-harming-campaigner-tells-itv-news/



It is haters who harass and use violence to beat up transgender people for the crime of existing in society, they are driving people to self-harm. The same happened to gays a generation ago.

Your link above most of that info came from..... ''Joni Cohen a trans-feminist political organiser'' Shes gonna have a fairly one way street view to the whole issue isn't she!

Trump was right.

klaaaz wrote: »

Does that person or any other transgender person who is "not normal" in your view deserve street harassment and violence?

Do most people deserve it? Probably not no!


The thing is do most people draw attention to themselves in such a massive way as a lot of these people do? The more you stand out and try and be different your going to attract attention from all kinds. The more political people and activists push there issues out there the more these people will be targeted as well.


For every person who sees no issues with it and treats it as a normal thing there will be twenty others who dont and that will never ever change.


Bull**** like the article posted in this thread wont exactly fix that will it?

klaaaz wrote: »

Define "normal" as you keep mentioning it. Perhaps your version of normal is back in the 1950's?

Anyone has the right to dress the way they want walking down the street without any harassment or violence from haters who are intolerant of anyone who is different. The problem is with the people who perpetrate the violence, not the victim of it. The article was published from an ultra conservative American website who are not fond of the lgbt community.

In a perfect world, which ours is not. If I dressed as 1950's chimney sweep and walked through town, I'd get hassled by assholes - does that mean there is a problem with public attitudes towards 1950's chimney sweeps? No, it means that, in the real world, if you stand out in any way, someone is likely to target you.

I travel extensively for work, sometimes in countries with high levels of street violence, especially towards foreigners. I, like most sensible people who travel to these places, have learned to be a "grey man" - dressing, walking, and acting like a local, and doing nothing unnecessary to draw attention to myself.

A lot of groups these days think that if they sashay down the street in full carnival gear, and some asshole makes a remark to them, it's a sure sign of an ism or phobia in society. Usually it isn't - it's a combination of assholes who will stick in anyone who stands out, and the people themselves not having the sense to be street smart.

mickuhaha wrote: »

My child wants to be a robot should I transition them now or wait? Do I help them go the whole way or is cyborg where you stop? Any cyborgs on here? I still don't even know if they want to be Autobot or decepticon . I have tried switching their diet to 230v at 13a which I feed directly to the processor. It seems to affect the ring ratios but I am slowly adjusting. What do I do. Btw I am open to being interviewed on any national media outlets at a cost.

DC for christs sake, you cant feed AC into a processor, I think you should go for Decepticon, Im thinking I will have to persuade my son that radiation will not turn him into spiderman and that its probably best avoided.


I was a bit confused about who was who.
I I feel its wrong for them to allow this, they say they didnt encourage it but its obvious that the child will be surrounded by and influenced by their views.
I think its wrong, I would not abuse them in the street or criticise them, but I would jsut not have anything to do with them though.
I can honestly say if I lived near them I would not want my son to be friends with someone thats influenced by their parents choices were I dissagree with that so significantly. Not because I think they might persuade him to change his sexuality but because I dont I agree with their views and I want my son to make his own choices when he is older, I dont think he needs to be exposed to that kind of thing, children need to be let be children and I dont think thats happening here, despite what they say.

mcmoustache wrote: »

If you're willing to wade through the trans-hate and the well-meaning but delusional nonsense online, you'll find a few genuine concerns that aren't getting much time and this is one of them.

It sounds even worse if you change the sexes around. Imagine encouraging a girl who likes playing with a toy digger and wearing trousers to become a boy since girls couldn't possibly like anything engineering-related? It sounds nuts.

Like I said, I've seen this point made before but it's drowned out by soundbites and the general quality of debate on social media.

To be fair though, even reading between the lines of a conservative site rehashing a conservative tabloid, it doesn't sound like this couple are talking about transitioning just because (s)he likes to wear dresses. It sounds like he has made stronger declarations about it, hence why they're moving forward with it.

Is it likely that the child has become aware of this concept of transitioning and thought it a good way to emulate a parent? Absolutely.

Is that an issue? I don't think so. Aside from "allowing" the child to wear non-conforming clothing and be addressed by different names or pronouns, at that age, that's the extent of transitioning.

The taking of blockers and other hormones won't happen until much later on and not until after considerable amounts of assessment and discussion. If the child still feels like they want to transition at that point, fine.

If they've changed their mind, then no harm has been done. "Hey Michael, do you remember when you were a kid you had us call you Barbara for a few years and you wore dresses?". "Yeah, that was a bit mad. Kids are stupid af".

ive seen enough is it possible for mods to ban me out from AH that i wouldnt have read or see this $hite anymore, people who think its normal should get lobotomy :cool:

this transgender bolloxollogy is getting out of hand now.

klaaaz wrote: »

We get that you prefer to blend in, too frightened to be different or show your individuality.

I show my individuality when I'm among friends, like a normal person. Only attention-seeking idiots "show their individuality" where they will get a slap for it, and then run to the media to whine about it.

klaaaz wrote: »

Where did you get the notion that transgender people "sashay down the street in full carnival gear"?

You might show me where I said that transgender people specifically do that, like a good lad.

Everything isn't about you, it's a pity you can't grasp that.

PhiloCypher wrote: »

If someone sashays down the street in "carnival gear" what remark do you imagine an asshole would make to them that wasn't a textbook example of an "ism" or homophobia. Assholes can multitask just because they say assholish things to everybody doesn't mean the remark they said to the black guy wasnt racist , the gay guy wasnt homophobic or to the woman wasnt mysognistic.

Again with the "me, me, me"

Read the whole post and you might grasp the bigger message.

klaaaz wrote: »

Where is your proof that being transgender is a mental illness in Ireland? You brought mental illness into this topic.

The proof is in the condition itself can't get anymore black and white then that! Or do you need a doctor or a high level ultra feminist to tell ya before you believe it?

klaaaz wrote: »

What? Ordinary people we're talking about here, not some celebrity.



Come on, answer the question.


Do you deny that transgender people do "sashay down the street in full carnival gear"?

The one transgender lad (sorry lady) I know sort of slinks rather than sashays, and he/she dresses like a lumberjack, so, in my limited experience, no, but perhaps you do?