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Tour de France Stage 15 - Limoux > Foix (185 km)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Pinot to attack in 3.. 2.. 1..


  • Site Banned Posts: 20,686 ✭✭✭✭Weepsie


    Movistar could be some team if they ever actually worked as one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Thomas dropped again


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    Good riddance Thomas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Weepsie wrote: »
    Movistar could be some team if they ever actually worked as one.

    In fairness the plan with Landa has worked well today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Doesn't Ineos need to let Bernal off the shackles. He seems to be their best hope at this point!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Pinot to attack in 3.. 2.. 1..

    Go Pinot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Ala pops a lats!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    So good to see Pinot in form


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Bernal needs to work and he'll go into yellow


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Go pinot!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,116 ✭✭✭bazermc


    Left for 30 seconds to put kettle on. What happened Thomas?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    This is great stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    bazermc wrote: »
    What happened Thomas?

    He doesn't have it it seems, much like yesterday!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,988 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    Getting very interesting now!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    Go on Pinot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    Unreal from Pinot, no wonder he was so upset the other day losing time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Why is JA on the front, should let poels/thomas work


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    Fair f*cks to Alaphilippe, not giving up and doing the work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Angliru wrote: »
    Fair f*cks to Alaphilippe, not giving up and doing the work.

    He should keep yellow if he stays calm


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Go on Pinot.

    Pinot into 3rd and moving to second, go in Pinot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Poels needs to earn his wage now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    They move in on Ala, to try and to monster him out of it, Great tour soo far! Yates to take his 2nd stage, chapeau to him!

    Ala to keep Yellow, but the rest of them will tighten up a fair bit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    F*ck off Thomas


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Provisional Post Stage Rankings

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Pinot lost about 1'40" to Alaphilippe in the cross winds stage I think? He'd only be 10 seconds behind now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,033 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    I really don’t trust Pinot in the 3rd week and I don’t think 1.35 is enough for JA.
    I fear that Thomas could break our hearts again.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    Pinot the favourite now with Thomas, Bernal and Alaphilippe next favourites at evenish odds by the bookies. Pinot would have this Tour in the bag if he didn't bleed time in the crosswinds.

    All she wrote surely for Alaphilippe. He's bound to have extended a tonne of energy already, it is coming into the third week and his team is getting weaker and weaker by the day.

    Bernal might be compromised by the presence of Thomas but he's got a huge chance now considering I'd imagine he's only arriving into peak form.

    Manny Buchmann is one hell of a cyclist on current form. Towed Bernal to the line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    I really don’t trust Pinot in the 3rd week and I don’t think 1.35 is enough for JA.
    I fear that Thomas could break our hearts again.

    I think it's all down to how their bodies will respond to the 3rd week of racing, there are still a bunch of riders who can win this, Thomas, Bernal, Pinot, JAL, Kruiswijk and even Buchman. The rest seem to have too much time to close.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭Decuc500


    Have a feeling Thomas will keep on improving next week and go on to win it. I'd love to see Pinot win though.

    Yates to continue riding at the back of the peloton, smoking cigars, and get another stage win in the alps.

    Old man Valverde like a bad smell. He just won't go away.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Decuc500 wrote: »
    Have a feeling Thomas will keep on improving next week and go on to win it. I'd love to see Pinot win though.

    Yates to continue riding at the back of the peloton, smoking cigars, and get another stage win in the alps.

    Old man Valverde like a bad smell. He just won't go away.

    Aye, its defo the most open tour in many a decade thought which is great to see!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    The riders have a good bit of time to recover now. Tomorrow is a rest day. Tuesday is a flat stage that starts and finishes in Nimes. And Wednesday only has a Cat. 4 and Cat. 3 climb. That will suit Alaphilippe. I can see his lead being chipped away on Thursday and Friday and then the jersey changing on Saturday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,458 ✭✭✭✭dastardly00


    Gaudu, Reichenbach and Molard have been great so far for Pinot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Gaudu, Reichenbach and Molard have been great so far for Pinot

    Except for the crosswinds, as mentioned earlier in this thread, there is a high likely hood that Pinot loses the Tour due to the 1 min 40 secs odd he lost on that day, when he was caught on the wrong side of the split.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 966 ✭✭✭equivariant


    Angliru wrote: »

    All she wrote surely for Alaphilippe. He's bound to have extended a tonne of energy already, it is coming into the third week and his team is getting weaker and weaker by the day.

    A bit of an overreaction surely. I think that he paid today for two huge efforts in the previous two days. The time trial was a huge effort and then second on the tourmalet also. After the rest day and a flat stage things could be a lot different.

    Pinot looked strong today but he may not be so dominant in the alps. He probably needs to do that at least twice more to overtake JA - that is a big ask. I think that Alaphilippe made a small mistake today when he attacked Thomas and tried to chase Pinot. If he had ridden tempo with Thomas then he would probably have stayed with him to the line.

    I would still give Alaphilippe a huge chance to win. I think that he can definitely stay with Thomas (really I don't understand why anyone thinks that Thomas should be putting time into Alaphillippe in the mountains) and he has 1:50 on Pinot which is a pretty big lead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    Pity the day after the rest day isn't a mountain day. There's always one GC guy who completely bonks the day after the rest day and there's usually one guy who comes back like a new man.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 604 ✭✭✭Finnrocco


    Great to see the QuickStep mountain domestiques Viviani, Morkov and Richeze coming to the fore.

    I wonder now will they sprint on Tuesday or will they all have the day off, Qs let the break go and get 10 minutes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 454 ✭✭gmacww


    Angliru wrote: »
    Pity the day after the rest day isn't a mountain day. There's always one GC guy who completely bonks the day after the rest day and there's usually one guy who comes back like a new man.

    There is always one rider who gets the rest day spectacularly wrong. We name this day Tejay day. That said this year the recovery can be managed over Tuesday and Wednesday this year. I think it makes for a much more exciting Thursday - Saturday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    Finnrocco wrote: »
    Great to see the QuickStep mountain domestiques Viviani, Morkov and Richeze coming to the fore.

    I wonder now will they sprint on Tuesday or will they all have the day off, Qs let the break go and get 10 minutes?

    You'd imagine that the team quest for yellow would trump over a collective hunt for another stage win for Vivianni. That said, IIRC, I recall Wiggins in yellow several years ago killing it at the front in the close to a sprint stage to set his man (Ben Swift?) up for the final push.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    Lusk_Doyle wrote: »
    You'd imagine that the team quest for yellow would trump over a collective hunt for another stage win for Vivianni. That said, IIRC, I recall Wiggins in yellow several years ago killing it at the front in the close to a sprint stage to set his man (Ben Swift?) up for the final push.

    Was that not on the Champs D'Eylsee for Cav?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,338 ✭✭✭Lusk_Doyle


    Yep. You're right. That's the one that I was thinking of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,741 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Alaphilippe reminds me of the year voeckler had yellow and just hung in right till the end!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    So at the Giro last Year S Yates and T Pinot were both flying till right to the end when they both ran out of steam

    Also Dan Martin and form is not unique in this Tour ...He will be 33 in a few weeks
    Quintana ,Bardet , Yates and Porte are no where near where they should be
    And Uran is not great either and Barguil while better than last year is nto as good as 2017

    Is it all just training/preparation ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Alaphilippe reminds me of the year voeckler had yellow and just hung in right till the end!

    Everything down to the wild swinging style when he's suffering on climbs to the tongue out!

    That was such an entertaining but heartbreaking tour. Not just for Voeckler but for Andy Schleck too. I was gutted Cadel Evans won, absolutely hated his tactics for riding and how they were always blowing smoke up his ass and all he did was follow wheels.

    And it was heartbreaking for Contador in a sense as he went for Giro-Tour double and it really looked like prior to the Tour that he could do it. I really think if Contador hadn't gone out of his way to absolutely destroy the Giro that year and just won it without expending too much he might have done the double that year. To this day I've never witnessed someone make a mockery of his competitors like Contador did in that Giro. Andy was nowhere near his 09+10 level, Cadel Evans was very beatable as always, Wiggins crashed out and the other contenders weren't threatening. Dumoulin with a 2nd and a 2nd and Froome with a 1st and a 3rd are the two closest since God knows when but I still maintain nobody had a better shot in recent times than Contador in '11.

    Froome will probably never try it again, and considering the injury he had he might never make it back 100%. Quintana failed miserably with his attempt and looks a complete shadow of his 13-15 self. Aru has gone down the same path and besides their TT isn't good enough. Nibali too old as well. Out of the current crop nobody stands out with a chance other than Dumoulin. But I'd imagine he'll make a huge push to win the Vuelta this year and then focus on the Tour next year for the triple crown. Bernal perhaps?

    To be honest not too many stand out even as a potential GT winner really. Roglic I really like and his progression has been astounding. He surely wins one sooner rather than later. The Yates' will probably nab a Giro or a Vuelta. Carapaz could win another in a climbing heavy edition. Lopez and Mas will one day and they're both very young where most of their competitors are in their 30s. It'll be interesting to see the GT climate in a few years when Nibali/Froome/Thomas/Quintana et al are well well past it/retured. There's a huge gap there for someone to come in and dominate. Bernal would appear to be the obvious choice and considering he's only 22 he's got a huge advantage.

    Went off in a huuuuuge tangent there, been a long ol Monday, something has to keep the mind sane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,256 ✭✭✭MPFGLB


    Eddie Dunbar is a potential GT contender for me...He can climb and TT but not yet like Bernal but it will come

    I think he will podium at least becasue he has the mindset...may have to wait about 5 years


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,983 ✭✭✭✭tuxy


    MPFGLB wrote: »
    Eddie Dunbar is a potential GT contender for me...He can climb and TT but not yet like Bernal but it will come

    I think he will podium at least becasue he has the mindset...may have to wait about 5 years

    No question about his climbing ability but what's his TT like? Could you see him competing to win a TT stage at that level?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Gaudu will fill the pinot/bardet role for years to come as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 88 ✭✭MyDarkArts


    Angliru wrote: »
    Bernal would appear to be the obvious choice and considering he's only 22 he's got a huge advantage.
    From what I've seen this Tour, I like the cut of David Gaudu's jib. Wouldn't be surprised to see him competing for the Yellow Jersey in the next few years.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    MyDarkArts wrote: »
    From what I've seen this Tour, I like the cut of David Gaudu's jib. Wouldn't be surprised to see him competing for the Yellow Jersey in the next few years.

    Really good showing this year. His TT skills would worry me though, he's extremely light weight.

    Manny Buchmann looks a real good cyclist, he's improving every year and is has a solid all round style. Arguably one of the top climbers so far too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Angliru


    retalivity wrote: »
    Gaudu will fill the pinot/bardet role for years to come as well.

    Pierre Latour is the one I'm most excited about, albeit his style isn't soft on the eyes. The TT skills are there and he's a pretty good climber. Seems quite frail though and gets injured and sick a good bit. Really exciting cyclist though.


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