Eir rural FTTH thread III

oscarBravo · 06-11-2019 12:31pm #1

Will this be the last thread on this topic...? I guess we'll have to wait and see...

Headshot · 06-11-2019 12:32pm

Could be the thread I finally get FTTH.

Best thread everrrrrrr

AirBiscuit · 06-11-2019 6:57pm

1st off topic post of the new thread: Anyone know how to get PXE booting working on a network with a Fritzbox 7530 as the DHCP server?

Marlow · 06-11-2019 7:12pm

AirBiscuit wrote: »

1st off topic post of the new thread: Anyone know how to get PXE booting working on a network with a Fritzbox 7530 as the DHCP server?

By disabling the DHCP server on the Fritz!box and using a different box on the network for DHCP, that supports PXE booting.

The Fritz!Box has no possibility to add the optional information for PXE booting.

/M

Gonzo · 06-11-2019 7:37pm

Eir's rural FTTH rollout must be heading into it's final stages by now. Are there any areas still not started?

Marlow · 06-11-2019 8:22pm

Gonzo wrote: »

Eir's rural FTTH rollout must be heading into it's final stages by now. Are there any areas still not started?

Plenty ... one example: Fanore, Co. Clare. No dates yet. No indication either. But there are lots more like that.

/M

Marlow · 06-11-2019 8:38pm

Here are a few more:

Dowra, Cavan
Castlepark / Burnfort, Cork
Moneybeg, Donegal
Glencorrib, Mayo
Killala, Mayo
Louisbourgh, Mayo
Terryglass, Tipp
Dromineer, Tipp

Fun fact: Moneybeg, Donegal is listed as enabled on the fibrerollout map (houses are green), when in fact, they're not enabled yet nor have a go live date.

And that list is only a subset, of what's still outstanding.

/M

NSAman · 07-11-2019 7:41am

OpenEir saying ducting issues to be finalised on Nov 23rd... we wait in hope...6 months waiting

medoc · 07-11-2019 11:44am

Headshot wrote: »

Could be the thread I finally get FTTH.

Best thread everrrrrrr

I feel your pain. I had to wait till almost the end of the second one.

cnocbui · 08-11-2019 2:26am

Did anyone else have an outage with Airwire? Lasted for about 50min.

Airwire: MartinL · 08-11-2019 2:32am

cnocbui wrote: »

Did anyone else have an outage with Airwire? Lasted for about 50min.

We were doing a few emergency security firmware upgrades on our routers in Dublin. This should not really have affected any customers, but did not go as smooth as we expected.

The problems have now been rectified and everything is back to normal.

BuzzG · 08-11-2019 11:00pm

Somewhat off topic but has anyone ordered FTTH from Vodafone over the Openeir FTTH network. I ordered with them on October 30th and was due a call this week to arrange the install but nothing. Anyone know the typical timeframe for an install of FTTH or have experience of getting it with Vodafone ?

Richieq · 09-11-2019 9:50am

Hi all,
I ordered FTTH in August. I’m about 250 metres from the DP. An engineer arrived to do the install. However it was a failed install. There are a lot of trees that my current copper line threads through. My next correspondence was that they would have this resolved by 30/11. So yesterday I call them to see if I needed to book time off. During my conversation, he said that my issue was a ducting/underground cabling issue. So I asked him to clear this up as there are none of these at my home. It’s all provided via telegraph pole . After some investigation, he said that open Eir are going to put in ducting rather that have the trees pruned and cut down.

Is this a thing? I’ve not heard of it before. Also the last leg from the pole goes through the biggest tree. Will they install a duct right to my home?
Thanks

cnocbui · 09-11-2019 1:28pm

I haven't heard of them installing ducting on people's property before. It sounds rather doubtful. Usually it's the home owners responsibility to install ducting to where the line would arrive at on their property. If the trees are on your property it would be an idea to prune them to make a clear path for a cable.

AstraMonti · 09-11-2019 3:02pm

Eir is using KN people to install or unblock ducts, I had to pay 300 euro for them to unblock mine so they can bring the fiber from the pole in the house.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-11-2019 5:33pm

Richieq wrote: »

Hi all,
I ordered FTTH in August. I’m about 250 metres from the DP. An engineer arrived to do the install. However it was a failed install. There are a lot of trees that my current copper line threads through. My next correspondence was that they would have this resolved by 30/11. So yesterday I call them to see if I needed to book time off. During my conversation, he said that my issue was a ducting/underground cabling issue. So I asked him to clear this up as there are none of these at my home. It’s all provided via telegraph pole . After some investigation, he said that open Eir are going to put in ducting rather that have the trees pruned and cut down.

Is this a thing? I’ve not heard of it before. Also the last leg from the pole goes through the biggest tree. Will they install a duct right to my home?
Thanks

They will likely bring it underground to the boundary of your property, either to an underground access chamber which you would have to duct to, or to a pole with the installation overhead.

tuxy · 09-11-2019 6:35pm

AstraMonti wrote: »

Eir is using KN people to install or unblock ducts, I had to pay 300 euro for them to unblock mine so they can bring the fiber from the pole in the house.

Did you pay for KN to do the work or the installer to do is as a nixer?
Sounds like you got lucky as they can be very picky about what nixers they take on.
That said it's your property so your choice, you may have found someone to do it cheaper if you got quotes form as many different sources as possible.

Richieq · 09-11-2019 7:54pm

There’s already infrastructure there to get the line in, they just need to trim the trees. I don’t understand why I’d have to get someone in to build 20 metres of suction? Also, if I have to get work done, would it not make sense to let me know.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-11-2019 8:05pm

Richieq wrote: »

There’s already infrastructure there to get the line in, they just need to trim the trees. I don’t understand why I’d have to get someone in to build 20 metres of suction? Also, if I have to get work done, would it not make sense to let me know.

Perhaps the trees are a more difficult job than you think or they could not get permission. The cable is safer underground anyway, you're less likely to have breakages during storms.

If they are putting in a pole at your boundary or there's already a suitable pole close you are not going to need to do any work.

cnocbui · 09-11-2019 8:14pm

...apart from arranging ducting to said pole.

Yes, the cable is safer undrground, but it's above ground for many km before it gets to my pole where it then travels 'safely' underground for all of 12m. :-)

tuxy · 09-11-2019 8:16pm

Richieq wrote: »

There’s already infrastructure there to get the line in, they just need to trim the trees. I don’t understand why I’d have to get someone in to build 20 metres of suction? Also, if I have to get work done, would it not make sense to let me know.

I had to wait several months for a faulty distribution point to be replaced. While waiting they woud not tell me that was the problem, only that there was issues with the line.
The work they want to do before you gets service sounds much more complicated.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-11-2019 8:23pm

cnocbui wrote: »

...apart from arranging ducting to said pole.

Yes, the cable is safer undrground, but it's above ground for many km before it gets to my pole where it then travels 'safely' underground for all of 12m. :-)

Not necessarily. They may do an overhead installation from the pole.

tuxy · 09-11-2019 8:25pm

cnocbui wrote: »

Yes, the cable is safer undrground, but it's above ground for many km before it gets to my pole where it then travels 'safely' underground for all of 12m. :-)

Those cables look way more durable than drop lines that go into the house though.

AstraMonti · 09-11-2019 10:20pm

tuxy wrote: »

Did you pay for KN to do the work or the installer to do is as a nixer?
Sounds like you got lucky as they can be very picky about what nixers they take on.
That said it's your property so your choice, you may have found someone to do it cheaper if you got quotes form as many different sources as possible.

I paid Eir as it was them who organised everything, after a million phonecalls, but that's a story for another time.

JohnC. · 09-11-2019 10:25pm

What's the new modem they're supplying with their fibre now? Is it actually a new one or a Malibu F2000 with a new hat?

tuxy · 09-11-2019 10:36pm

JohnC. wrote: »

What's the new modem they're supplying with their fibre now? Is it actually a new one or a Malibu F2000 with a new hat?

It's new and from a different company, not Huawei.
It's re-branded and uses a different outer case but has the internal electronics from a French company that I've forgot the name of. I don't think we have figured out which re-branded model it is yet.

Headshot · 09-11-2019 10:41pm

I heard that modem can't be bridged, is that correct?

tuxy · 09-11-2019 10:43pm

Headshot wrote: »

I heard that modem can't be bridged, is that correct?

Where did you hear that? I'd be interested to know what model that router is so I can find out more about it.
The guys on here are not great for such info as most have ditched Eir by now

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-11-2019 10:45pm

tuxy wrote: »

It's new and from a different company, not Huawei.
It's re-branded and uses a different outer case but has the internal electronics from a French company that I've forgot the name of. I don't think we have figured out which re-branded model it is yet.

Sagemcom

https://www.sagemcom.com

Headshot wrote: »

I heard that modem can't be bridged, is that correct?

Assuming what you say is correct, why would you need bridging on a FTTH connection?

Headshot · 09-11-2019 10:50pm

tuxy wrote: »

Where did you hear that? I'd be interested to know what model that router is so I can find out more about it.
The guys on here are not great for such info as most have ditched Eir by now

I work for an I.T company and we've heard whispers that the modem cannot be bridged but unsure is it true or not.

I think it's the same modem they are going to use with FTTC

Ameer Howling Baritone wrote: »

Sagemcom

https://www.sagemcom.com

Assuming what you say is correct, why would you need bridging on a FTTH connection?

I bridge all my modems as I want my firewall to do all the routing. I want my network behind a strict firewall which will have all my NAT rules and firewall rules.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 09-11-2019 10:54pm

Headshot wrote: »

I work for an I.T company and we've heard whispers that the modem cannot be bridged but unsure is it true or not.

I think it's the same modem they are going to use with FTTC

I bridge all my modems as I want my firewall to do all the routing. I want my network behind a strict firewall which will have all my NAT rules and firewall rules.

Just connect the firewall machine directly to the ONT. Once it can do VLAN tagging on WAN you don't need the eir router at all.

Headshot · 09-11-2019 10:56pm

Ameer Howling Baritone wrote: »

Just connect the firewall machine directly to the ONT. Once it can do VLAN tagging on WAN you don't need the eir router at all.

I cannot wait to learn more about FTTH when I hopefully get it.

tuxy · 09-11-2019 10:59pm

Headshot wrote: »

I cannot wait to learn more about FTTH when I hopefully get it.

Learn how to vlan tag now, it's a very basic setting to turn it on if supported.
Learning how to bridge a router you have never used before will be far more complicated.

Gonzo · 10-11-2019 6:06pm

Headshot wrote: »

I cannot wait to learn more about FTTH when I hopefully get it.

not much to learn once you get it installed because everything just works buttery smooth all the time. You won't know yourself when you get it. It really is life transforming going from less than 10 meg to 150+.

Varik · 11-11-2019 7:59pm

Any opinions on the Asus AC88U, either need a wireless router with link aggregation or a wired one without and a separate wifi ap. Will need 2/3 wifi AP on top of this, so if I went with Asus for router I'd probably get them for the other APs as well.

Headshot · 11-11-2019 9:26pm

Out of curiosity I went onto Digiweb and did a service checker on my Eircode and interestedly it came with the following:

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I wonder is this legit but I would expect get alot better speeds though

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-11-2019 9:35pm

A lot better speeds than 1000/100Mb/s? That what it says in the top image. If 150Mb/s is available to you 1000Mb/s is available.

Headshot · 11-11-2019 9:38pm

Ameer Howling Baritone wrote: »

A lot better speeds than 1000/100Mb/s? That what it says in the top image. If 150Mb/s is available to you 1000Mb/s is available.

cheers Navi I was thinking that alright.

I dont have any intention of going to Digiweb (I dont have much time for them) but it's interesting to know is FTTH actually available now.

The likes of Eir still saying only DSL is available

Marlow · 11-11-2019 9:43pm

Headshot wrote: »

cheers Navi I was thinking that alright.

I dont have any intention of going to Digiweb (I dont have much time for them) but it's interesting to know is FTTH actually available now.

The likes of Eir still saying only DSL is available

What's the Airwire product check at http://airwire.ie/avail saying ?

/M

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-11-2019 9:43pm

Headshot wrote: »

cheers Navi I was thinking that alright.

I dont have any intention of going to Digiweb (I dont have much time for them) but it's interesting to know is FTTH actually available now.

The likes of Eir still saying only DSL is available

Some ISPs are more proactive about updating their checkers. What does the Airwire checker say?

Headshot · 11-11-2019 9:44pm

Marlow wrote: »

What's the Airwire product check at http://airwire.ie/avail saying ?

/M

Ameer Howling Baritone wrote: »

Some ISPs are more proactive about updating their checkers. What does the Airwire checker say?

Available 20-11-2019

tsue921i8wljb3 · 11-11-2019 9:45pm

Headshot wrote: »

Available 20-11-2019

I'd trust that more than the Digiweb one.

limktime · 12-11-2019 11:30am

Out of curiosity, once the DPs are in place, what physical work is left to do at that point before FTTH is available to order?

cnocbui · 12-11-2019 11:38am

They seem to work backwards, so I think they run fibre from the first DP back to the exchange. I don't know if there is work at the exchange they also have to do. In my case they had to sort out ducting in the village which resulted in a two month delay for me - which is how I know they work backward.

Marlow · 12-11-2019 11:51am

cnocbui wrote: »

They seem to work backwards, so I think they run fibre from the first DP back to the exchange. I don't know if there is work at the exchange they also have to do. In my case they had to sort out ducting in the village which resulted in a two month delay for me - which is how I know they work backward.

The OLT needs to be installed and commissioned in the exchange.

If there is any equipment that has issues on delivery, the process is delayed.

Also, sometimes new fibre circuits need to be brought to the exchange to feed it.

All of that often happens after the DPs and fibre is in place.

/M

tuxy · 12-11-2019 12:50pm

Headshot wrote: »

I dont have any intention of going to Digiweb (I dont have much time for them) but it's interesting to know is FTTH actually available now.

I guess options are somewhat limited but at least Digiweb, Airwire and Westnet have reps that will engage with people in an honest manner on this forum. Digiweb have some sales practices I sometimes don't agree with but they are far better than Sky, Vodafone and Eir. Those larger companies are only a good option for people who need a phone and/or TV package. Two of them have talk to forums on Boards but the reps can be very unhelpful and never want to talk openly, only in direct messages.
I'm also sick of the good offer to draw you in for 12 months and massive price increases after that and will no longer support it if I can.
Just give me a fair service at a fair price and leave it at that. But only the smaller companies will offer such packages.

Airwire: MartinL · 12-11-2019 11:15pm

We have updated the database for OpenEIR FTTC/FTTH today.

It can be found at https://www.airwire.ie/avail

tobdom · 13-11-2019 12:54pm

Hi all - hope this isn't a derailing post and OK to query this here....

Have initial visit/install happening tomorrow, FTTH ordered via Digiweb, but I know that's it's KN that do the site visit. I understand from others that, assuming all goes well and they are able to run the cable without any hitting any blockages in the ducts or other impediments, they will just do the install into the room/wall which is closest to the external location/route that the cable comes from.

Is the above a correct understanding or is there any 'negotiating' with them?
What does the internal install consist of, just a box on the wall with an RJ45 connector?
I assume a power source colocated is also required for the router?

Thanks for any input!

limnam · 13-11-2019 1:02pm

tobdom wrote: »

Hi all - hope this isn't a derailing post and OK to query this here....

Have initial visit/install happening tomorrow, FTTH ordered via Digiweb, but I know that's it's KN that do the site visit. I understand from others that, assuming all goes well and they are able to run the cable without any hitting any blockages in the ducts or other impediments, they will just do the install into the room/wall which is closest to the external location/route that the cable comes from.

Is that a correct understanding or is there any 'negotiating' with them?
What does the internal install consist of, just a box on the wall with an RJ45 connector?
I assume a power source colocated is also required for the router?

Thanks for any input!

Depends on the installer

cnocbui · 13-11-2019 1:21pm

tobdom wrote: »

Hi all - hope this isn't a derailing post and OK to query this here....

Have initial visit/install happening tomorrow, FTTH ordered via Digiweb, but I know that's it's KN that do the site visit. I understand from others that, assuming all goes well and they are able to run the cable without any hitting any blockages in the ducts or other impediments, they will just do the install into the room/wall which is closest to the external location/route that the cable comes from.
Is the above a correct understanding or is there any 'negotiating' with them?

What does the internal install consist of, just a box on the wall with an RJ45 connector?

I assume a power source colocated is also required for the router?

Thanks for any input!

I got two white boxes - one requiring power and another that doesn't and is where the fibre terminates, from which there is an optical patch cable to the other (PON) box. Then of course there's a router and in my case there was also a phone base station.

I belive some people get a single cradle the PON fits in and which the fibre cable terminates to.

tobdom · 13-11-2019 2:06pm

cnocbui wrote: »

I got two white boxes - one requiring power and another that doesn't and is where the fibre terminates, from which there is an optical patch cable to the other (PON) box. Then of course there's a router and in my case there was also a phone base station.
I belive some people get a single cradle the PON fits in and which the fibre cable terminates to.

Interesting that it would appear the install is in your attic space - I understood this was also a non-runner....

Eir rural FTTH thread III

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