Lloyd England exposed was involved in 9/11 false flag event

King Mob wrote: »

Ok, so you cannot provide any examples.
So you must conclude that it is the first time in history these things happened. Yes or no?

I don't believe that demolished buildings fall at free fall because I have no reason to. It seems to be an invention of conspiracy theorists and conspiracy peddlers.
You are claiming that its so based on your assumptions.
However your description of how controlled demolition works is not accurate and not compatible with your other claims about how the towers fell. On top of this, we've seen time and again that you don't know anything about physics or engineering. For example you can't explain the difference between speed, velocity and acceleration and claimed they were interchangeable. Therefore your presumption about free fall is worthless.
You must either provide something solid from a repuatable source that confirms demolished buildings fall at freefall. Otherwise you have to admit that you can't and conclude that 9/11 was the first time in history such a thing happened.

Proof: Steel partly disappeared and evaporated (melted) and everybody can look at this phenomenon with their own eyes online. I have presented some pictures.
 
Jonathan Cole carried out a science experiment to investigate the FEMA official explanation and he convincingly showed fire+ gypsum wallboard, and other building materials did not erode, corrode or melt the steel!

If fire and construction/building materials did not melt the steel- what you left with as an excuse to solve the melted steel?

Thermal expansion is a theory NIST came up with on their own. They detected no evidence the steel expanded in a fire. 

Dohnjoe wrote: »

haha!

Down the rabbit hole we go



It's not a science experiment, it's some truther on youtube who doesn't understand simple scientific fundamentals. Like the difference between melting steel and weakening steel.

Jonathan Cole job is a Civil Engineer. Qualified person to do an experiment?
What rabbit hole, are you on about?
 FEMA established there melted steel at ground zero. You still can't accept that's true and wonder why?

In clear language, describe what you see here in the picture. Is this a WTC7 partially melted steel column/ beam or weakened steel column/ beam?



I never told you all the steel melted. Some steel just gave away when the collapse began.

The rare phenomenon- melted steel was forgotten by NIST and officially FEMA before NIST did their study, stated the phenomenon began in a 1000c fire with sulfur attacking the steel.

Jonathan Cole prepared an experiment with the same fire conditions at the towers on 9/11 and let it burn for 24 hours.  He discovered there was no holes in the steel or any melting there after 24 hours. This video was made a decade ago and nobody from 9/11 debunker side, has shown his claim to be false with further evidence. 

Dohnjoe wrote: »

He's a 9/11 truther



Nah. You keep distorting and twisting things in order to imply that there was melted steel that was somehow created by your imaginary burning thermite stuff

Then in another post you'll suddenly claim there were explosives

It's like the Pentagon, it wasn't a plane, then it was

You chop and change because it's all an invention. The more you post here, anything, even nonsensical, the more "real" it becomes to you

Which facts am i twisting and distorting?
I have given you,  FEMA steel study, read it.

1) Do you disagree about the intergranular melting?
2) There was no mixture of Iron and Sulfur forming during the hot temp attack?

This is a necessary exercise for me to find out what you think!

Regards the Pentagon attack, going to chop and change again.

Did some new work on this over the Christmas. I judge both sides are wrong. Both sides are wrong about the airplane location on 9/11. I  listened carefully to every interview and plotted their location, on the day, on a map, each person/eyewitness. 

The plane right wing hit light poles based on maps I have now studied. The airplane, came over the top of the Navy Annex roof, and flew over the top of the fuel station ( left-wing was out to the northeast of fuel station) and right wing( to the southwest of the fuel station) plane dropped and hit the Pentagon. The FAA/ Radar video animation is accurate for position, the attitude, of the plane is the only error, i found.

Problem
Official account: the airplane did not come over the top of the navy annex, it came down straight along Washington Blvd ( southwest) and hit the Pentagon. The left wing would have hit the poles travelling this direction. 

CIT version/truther version- there plane near the cemetery at Arlington no light poles hit. 

King Mob wrote: »

Cheerful, you are now claiming that the steel turned into a gas and that the tenpuratures were nearly 3000 degrees.
That's silly.

Just admit the truth that you made a mistake when you said "evaporate" because you didnt realise what it meant.
Dont event a whole new aspect to your conspiracy theory to cover your incompetence.

This the theory in the truther community.

Q: How hot can office fires get?
A: Never above 1,100 degrees Fahrenheit.

Q: How hot can fires from burning jet fuel get?
A: Never above 1,500 degrees Fahrenheit.

Q: How hot does steel have to get in order to melt?
A: Over 2,500 degrees Fahrenheit.

Q: How hot would the steel beams and girders in the three World Trade Center buildings have had to get in order to get the steel to boil and then evaporate holes in the metal on 9/11/2001?
A: Over 5,182 degrees Fahrenheit.

Federal Grand Jury Petition
Filed for New 9/11 Investigation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

I think the evidence overwhelming the Russian FSB did the bombings to elect Putin and start a war in Chechnya. FSB carried out many attacks, and they overdid it and got caught.

info-

At 19:00, Vladimir Putin praised the vigilance of the inhabitants of Ryazan, and called for the air bombing of the Chechen capital Grozny in response to the terrorism acts. He said

“ If the sacks which proved to contain explosive were noticed, that means there is a positive side to it, if only the fact that the public is reacting correctly to the events taking place in our country today. I'd like ...to thank the public... No panic, no sympathy for the bandits.
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In September 23 Natalia Yukhnova, a telephone service employee in Ryazan, tapped into a suspicious phone call to Moscow and overheard the following instruction: "Leave one at a time, there are patrols everywhere".

The called number was traced to a telephone exchange unit serving FSB offices.] When arrested, the detainees produced FSB identification cards. They were soon released on orders from Moscow.
On 24 September, FSB director Nikolai Patrushev announced that it was an exercise that was being carried out to test responses after the earlier blasts. The Ryazan FSB "reacted with fury" and issued a statement saying:"This announcement came as a surprise to us and appeared at the moment when the ...FSB had identified the places of residence in Ryazan of those involved in planting the explosive device and was prepared to detain them." FSB also issued a public apology about the incident. In a live show on NTV Evgeniy Savostoyanov, former FSB director in Moscow, categorically denied that any such exercise could be performed on residential buildings with inhabitants inside and without notifying local authorities.

the position of Russian authorities on the Ryazan incident changed significantly over time. Initially, it was declared by the FSB and federal government to be a real threat. However, after the people who planted the bomb were identified as FSB operatives, the official version changed to “security training”.[58] FSB also initially reported that the explosives used by the terrorists was RDX (or “hexogen”). However, it declared later that the explosive was not RDX, but a mixture of aluminium powder, nitre (saltpeter), sugar and TNT prepared by the perpetrators in a concrete mixer at a fertiliser factory in Urus-Martan, Chechnya.[59][60] RDX is produced in only one factory in Russia, in the city of Perm.[22] According to David Satter, the FSB changed the story about the type of explosive, since it was difficult to explain how huge amounts of RDX disappeared from the closely guarded Perm facility.

Yuri Tkachenko, the police explosives expert who defused the Ryazan bomb, insisted that it was real. Tkachenko said that the explosives, including a timer, a power source, and a detonator were genuine military equipment and obviously prepared by a professional. He also said that the gas analyser that tested the vapours coming from the sacks unmistakably indicated the presence of RDX. Tkachenko said that it was out of the question that the analyser could have malfunctioned, as the gas analyser was of world-class quality, cost $20,000, and was maintained by a specialist who worked according to a strict schedule, checking the analyser after each use and making frequent prophylactic checks. Tkachenko pointed out that meticulous care in the handling of the gas analyser was a necessity because the lives of the bomb squad experts depended on the reliability of their equipment. The police officers who answered the original call and discovered the bomb also insisted that it was obvious from its appearance that the substance in the bomb was not sugar. However, later at a press conference on the occasion of the Federal Security Service Employee Day in December 2001, Tkachenko denounced his previous conclusions and said the detonator was a hunting cartridge that it would not be able to detonate any known explosives.