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Carpentry tools for a teenager

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  • Registered Users Posts: 24 ..board..


    So I have done my shopping

    From fine tools:

    Chisel 12mm WOOD LINE PROFI NAREX
    Chisel 18mm WOOD LINE PROFI NAREX
    Chisel 6mm WOOD LINE PROFI NAREX
    Wooden Mallet Ash Handle Beech Head 105x65mm
    Mortise Chisel 14 mm with wooden Handle MHG
    Coping Saw Frame Cutting Depth 120 mm for Coping Saw Blades with Length 170 mm PEGAS
    Coping Saw Blade Skip Length 170 mm - 7 Teeth per cm = 18 TPI Pack of 6 Pieces PEGAS
    Small Japanese Combination Stone 1000/6000 Size 185 x 63 x 25 mm KING

    This off amazon, I'm not sure if its a bit gimmicky, but they will serve a function, and the bag looks handy!

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002SHNQZ4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Saw:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0043YN9BQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


    https://www.thecarpentrystore.com/p/rider-honing-guide/340147


    That Japanese saw looked like something out of a horror movie, so I went with a more conventional looking hand saw.
    thanks for all the suggestions!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭iamtony


    I still say get him the router, it's Christmas:pac: I'm sure he will be happy anyway.


  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That’s a good selection. You struck a good balance there so well done.

    The saw was a great choice - good find!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 549 ✭✭✭chillyspoon


    ..board.. wrote: »
    That Japanese saw looked like something out of a horror movie, so I went with a more conventional looking hand saw.

    Good choices all, he'll have a great Christmas!

    I love your comment about the Japanese saw. My Dad first got one when I was about 14 and I thought it looked like some sort of medieval weapon (which is basically true)!

    Thing is, they're utterly brilliant, they're easy to use and have distinct advantages in some areas of fine woodworking. Perhaps for his next birthday, when you've recovered from the shock of how they look! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,566 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Op, wishing you a very happy xmas with your wonderfully ambitious son.:)

    Embrace it!

    For the Corbyintes here:

    Summary

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    What if everything you have been taught about how to succeed in life was wrong?

    From the ‘10,000 hours rule’ to the power of tiger parenting, we have been taught that success in any field requires early specialization and many hours of deliberate practice. And, worse, that if you dabble or delay, you'll never catch up with those who got a head start.

    This is completely wrong.

    In this landmark audiobook, David Epstein shows that the way to excel is by sampling widely, gaining a breadth of experiences, taking detours, experimenting relentlessly, juggling many interests - in other words, by developing range.

    Studying the world’s most successful athletes, artists, musicians, inventors and scientists, Epstein discovered that in most fields - especially those that are complex and unpredictable - generalists, not specialists, are primed to excel. They are also more creative, more agile and able to make connections their more specialized peers can’t see. Range proves that by spreading your knowledge across multiple domains is the key to success rather than deepening their knowledge in a single area.

    Provocative, rigorous and engrossing, Range explains how to maintain the benefits of breadth, diverse experience and interdisciplinary thinking in a world that increasingly demands hyperspecialization.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭iamtony


    Op, wishing you a very happy xmas with your wonderfully ambitious son.:)

    Embrace it!

    For the Corbyintes here:

    Summary

    Range is the groundbreaking and exhilarating exploration into how to be successful in the 21st century, from David Epstein, the acclaimed author of The Sports Gene.

    What if everything you have been taught about how to succeed in life was wrong?

    From the ‘10,000 hours rule’ to the power of tiger parenting, we have been taught that success in any field requires early specialization and many hours of deliberate practice. And, worse, that if you dabble or delay, you'll never catch up with those who got a head start.

    This is completely wrong.

    In this landmark audiobook, David Epstein shows that the way to excel is by sampling widely, gaining a breadth of experiences, taking detours, experimenting relentlessly, juggling many interests - in other words, by developing range.

    Studying the world’s most successful athletes, artists, musicians, inventors and scientists, Epstein discovered that in most fields - especially those that are complex and unpredictable - generalists, not specialists, are primed to excel. They are also more creative, more agile and able to make connections their more specialized peers can’t see. Range proves that by spreading your knowledge across multiple domains is the key to success rather than deepening their knowledge in a single area.

    Provocative, rigorous and engrossing, Range explains how to maintain the benefits of breadth, diverse experience and interdisciplinary thinking in a world that increasingly demands hyperspecialization.
    I've way to many hobbies and interests that's I'd consider myself, not an expert, bit fairly proficient at, does that make me a genius? My bank balance doesn't reflect this but maybe I'm just a victim of circumstances. I knew I was special:pac:


  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ..board.. wrote: »
    So I have done my shopping

    From fine tools:

    Chisel 12mm WOOD LINE PROFI NAREX
    Chisel 18mm WOOD LINE PROFI NAREX
    Chisel 6mm WOOD LINE PROFI NAREX
    Wooden Mallet Ash Handle Beech Head 105x65mm
    Mortise Chisel 14 mm with wooden Handle MHG
    Coping Saw Frame Cutting Depth 120 mm for Coping Saw Blades with Length 170 mm PEGAS
    Coping Saw Blade Skip Length 170 mm - 7 Teeth per cm = 18 TPI Pack of 6 Pieces PEGAS
    Small Japanese Combination Stone 1000/6000 Size 185 x 63 x 25 mm KING

    This off amazon, I'm not sure if its a bit gimmicky, but they will serve a function, and the bag looks handy!

    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B002SHNQZ4/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

    Saw:
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0043YN9BQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


    https://www.thecarpentrystore.com/p/rider-honing-guide/340147


    That Japanese saw looked like something out of a horror movie, so I went with a more conventional looking hand saw.
    thanks for all the suggestions!

    Hope the new tools were well received today!

    Happy Christmas to you and all here on the Woodcraft board.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 ..board..


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Hope the new tools were well received today!

    Happy Christmas to you and all here on the Woodcraft board.


    Thank you for all the recommendations, he was delighted with them. He is itching to start making something now.
    My husband couldn't get over the quantity of them.
    Happy Christmas All


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭decky1


    what a great story in this day and age that a young person wants to do something useful with their lives, fair play to him , i wish him every success in his chosen trade, not many if any interested in trades now. loads of online sites for tools etc , will take him a while to get everything sure at that game you'd always be buying tools.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭stratowide


    JayZeus wrote: »
    If he doesn't have his own plane, chisels and saws, lathes and routers should really be waaaay down the list of things to be spending money on by way of equipping a youngster possessed of enthusiasm and talent for woodworking in general. No doubt about it, there's a lot of knowledge here amongst the posters who have replied, but our own enthusiasm for a particular interest within woodworking can lend undue influence to the advice we might offer.

    Trying to leave aside my own desire to tell you he needs a Bedrock 604 and a Roubo bench (hand tool woodworking overkill), here's a suggested shopping list and links for some good quality tools (some top-tier marking/layout stuff, others great usable tools that will last him) coming in at €227 plus about €13 for delivery. That leaves €60 in budget, so see a few optional extra from other sources at the end.

    Fine-Tools in Germany have those items in stock and as a supplier they more often than not have the best price, especially when looking at the comparative 'cart' price. Items ordered from them will usually leave within one working day and their service has proven to be excellent over the years. I've no vested interest in any retailer who sells tools online or otherwise (although I can't say anything good either about Axminster direct sales, based on recent poor service experience), just giving a personal recommendation buying the exact tools I'm recommending from the supplier I'm happy to recommend also. I'm sure others have enjoyed similar experience with them over the years and may wish to chime in.

    #1 - Low angle block plane - Juuma - produced for Fine-Tools, 'lower cost' but an excellent quality tool at €75 - Will last a lifetime:

    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=300050&order=1

    #2 - A set of good quality chisels, fine for general use and will serve him for many years - Narex, in 6mm/12mm/18mm/26mm sizes - €29 in total for the 4 sizes I recommend:

    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=331103&order=1
    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=331106&order=1
    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=331109&order=1
    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=331112&order=1

    More sizes available, but those will get him started and birthdays can add sizes for him down the line.

    #3 - King 1000/6000 Grit Japanese sharpening combination stone in plastic case, good value, much better than cheap oilstones - €33

    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=309366&order=1

    There is a larger version, costing about €44 - It's up to you if you went for that or not, but the one above will get him going. The larger one is better value longer term, so grab it if you're not holding firm overall on the spend.

    #4 - Veritas Metric Micro-Adjust marking gauge, super accurate, easy to bring to school and will definitely benefit him - don't underestimate its worth! - €34

    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=307981&order=1

    #5 - Shinwa Stainless combination square - Tough tool, accurate, very useful for all the projects he's likely to want to do. Again, ideal to take to school also and it's another lifetime tool - €19

    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=309601&order=1

    #6 - William Greaves 10" gent saw, good for furniture making and finer project work, the kind of things he'll be doing in school. He can also resharpen it (his teacher will show him if he shows interest in learning how), will last decades, but cheap enough it won't cause any upset if it gets damaged or 'abused' along the way. €16

    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=303029&order=1

    #7 - Ryoba type Japanese saw, suitable for general purpose project work, cutting boards and getting pieces ready for doing the finer joinery etc. For the money, the best type of handsaw you could get him without specific types of work in mind. I'd usually prefer traditional western type hand/panel saws, but there's nothing comes close to the quality/price balance as this one at €32

    https://www.fine-tools.com/cgi-bin/shop/fronten/shop_main.cgi?func=direkt&artnr=313780&order=1

    Options:

    #8 Thor 712 Chisel/Assembly mallet - A fantastic tool to have. Worth every cent. €23 including postage from a good seller in the UK - I've bought a couple from this listing and recommend it as a great addition to the chisels I recommended above:

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Thor-712R-Soft-Hard-Faced-Hammer-Wood-Handle-38mm-650g-THO712R/332667430833?epid=2254507869&hash=item4d748627b1:g:TrcAAOSwZvFbDWpB

    #9 A honing guide for chisels/plane blades - Very useful to add to the items recommended earlier, even if there's one at home already. A new one should be bought and exclusively used with the japanese stones, to give them a longer life. Fine-Tools don't seem to have this 'clone' of a very popular type (copied and sold in their millions), so I'm pointing you to the Carpentry Store in Naas as they stock one. €14 plus postage.

    https://www.thecarpentrystore.com/p/rider-honing-guide/340147

    That should give your son a cracking good starter set of tools, at around the €300 total. As I've said, this set will help him enjoy all sorts of projects and areas of interest in woodworking, will absolutely help with the school project work in terms of the quality/accuracy he will be able to produce (at least as far as the tools have influence!) and if he ended up enjoying woodworking as a hobby or as a trade he'll still be using some of them by the time he'll be thinking about tools for his own kids, (hopefully!!) far down the line. :)

    You're a good Mammy. Fair play to you.
    Just some feedback in case anyone is interested in this.

    Like the OP I am a beginner/returnee woodworker.
    Ordered the japanese and gents saws,veritas measuring tool and a whole set of those narex chisels off the fine- tools*crowd in Germany.

    Took about a week to arrive delivered by an post.

    Altogether I'd say they were top quality for handy money.Would definitely use them again.

    Oh and I got the honing guide from the carpentry store.ie*
    Again no issues and next day day delivery.

    *I've no connection to either.Just a fast and efficient service.


  • Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Super - Glad the list has been helpful and thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts!


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    ..board.. wrote: »
    Thank you for all the recommendations, he was delighted with them. He is itching to start making something now.
    My husband couldn't get over the quantity of them.
    Happy Christmas All

    Just came across this thread, and its great to hear that your son is so motivated to learn all about the craft of woodworking.

    In todays climate of i phones, apps , and whatever, its refreshing to hear
    about young people that have the urge to create, rather than sit back and be entertained. Its brilliant.

    And i have to agree with other sentiments that the craft basics should be well mastered before taking the powertool route. Unless constant supervision is part of the route in the early stages, then the possibility of accidents is high. And powertool accidents are messier than a chisel slip in handwork.
    And the thought of a planer thicknesser and a 14 year old is scary to me. I've seen far too many accidents with powertool machinery during my career in the woodworking industry.

    And with that thought in mind, I would like to give your youngster some woodworking books that I have collected throughout my woodworking career, which will give him the best instruction available.

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    This range of books will give him the proper, safe route to enjoy his adventure into woodwork. I probably have more to add to this list too,

    Tim


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭iamtony


    That's a really nice gesture.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    iamtony wrote: »
    That's a really nice gesture.


    Its no big thing for me. I remember many years ago when i first got interested at 12-13 years of age. I had a voracious appetite for more info, more info, woodwork related:)
    Luckily my father was in the furniture industry, so a plentiful supply of all types of wood was always at hand.
    And from there to my first apprenticeship experience, under the watchful eye of an 80+ year old master cabinetmaker. And as they say, the rest was history.

    And i was always taught back then, information is to be shared, not with held.
    So whatever help I can give, its the thing to do for me. And i have had great use of them through the years, and now its time to pass them on.

    Hopefully the OP will get back in contact with me, and make this happen.

    kadman


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I have gathered another few books that would prove invaluable for the novice woodworker
    on his journey into understanding the safe method of woodworking,
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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    I cant seem to make contact with the op for some reason


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭iamtony


    kadman wrote: »
    I cant seem to make contact with the op for some reason

    With so few posts I doubt the she is on here very often. Im sure she will see the post soon(ish) and be embarrassed for not seeing the offer sooner:D maybe a PM would get through to her sooner.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    iamtony wrote: »
    With so few posts I doubt the she is on here very often. Im sure she will see the post soon(ish) and be embarrassed for not seeing the offer sooner:D maybe a PM would get through to her sooner.

    Ahead of you, pm's have been sent already. And she has been on yesterday and today. So shouldn't be too long:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,428 ✭✭✭quietsailor


    Not necessarily for the op's son as I don't know if the lad would be too young for this but I was given a present of a woodworking course, over a Saturday and Sunday, to make and take home an ardirondack* chair.

    The same people - Bevel woodworking - also have a course on making a woodworkers bench that you take home with you.

    I enjoyed the weekend and got shown how to use general hand tools and also a little on sharpening tools as we asked that of Tommy, the demonstrator.

    If the person woodworking likes music another alternative present could be Bluetooth headphones if the workshop is noisy so you can listen to music all the time. A Bluetooth speaker or a HiFi system with a line in connection (to play podcasts from nous phone ) is another present for someone in a workshop that's not necessarily woodworking tools



    * = Don't know if ardirondack is spelt right


  • Registered Users Posts: 24 ..board..


    Thanks very much for offering the books, you are very good, but I couldn't take them off you. I'm sure you know someone you could give them too, instead of a randomer on boards :)

    Thanks very much for everyone's help with the tools. He has cleared a corner of the garage and is building himself a work bench at the moment


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    ..board.. wrote: »
    Thanks very much for offering the books, you are very good, but I couldn't take them off you. I'm sure you know someone you could give them too, instead of a randomer on boards :)

    Thanks very much for everyone's help with the tools. He has cleared a corner of the garage and is building himself a work bench at the moment

    I normally think long and hard before I part with any of my woodworking reference books. I value these types of books, well above a lot of my other stuff.

    But at 65 , i probably know 95% of what info these books have, after reading them cover to cover, I dont know how many times.

    And I know these would be a great source of info for any craftworker, young or old.

    And I am asking for nothing in return, except the assurance that these will be for the used for the purpose offered. Thats it.

    Give the young lad the option , before you turn them down if you want.

    Offer stands at the moment:)


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    As you are his parent , I respect your wishes not to accept the books on his behalf.

    Having had no further contact from the OP, regretfully I am forced to withdraw my offer:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭bamayang


    If you still want to move them, i'd be delighted to take them - but that was not your original offer, so feel free to decline.

    Cheers


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,124 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    bamayang wrote: »
    If you still want to move them, i'd be delighted to take them - but that was not your original offer, so feel free to decline.

    Cheers


    It was never a question of moving them, it was to help the youngster out.:)


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