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Burning the Poppy - A thread.

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  • #202
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    personally i think it say a lot about us as a country, as a mature democracy.

    even the Japanese managed a few poppies, and they had 2 atomic bombs dropped on them!

    then again the Black n Tans did shoot Mary Murphy's heifer in Ballygobackwards in 1921.

    'YOU MUST COMMEMORATE AS WE SAY'. If you don't we will denigrate what you went through and make light of what you suffered.

    Poppy fanatics in full flow here. :rolleyes:


  • #203
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    Catholic, born in Belfast here. I was speaking at an event in the UK on the day and the organisers had a tray of poppies for speakers to wear and I was asked if I wanted one. I took it and wore it and didn't think twice about it. We're moving forward, some people need to get over that.

    ps: I wouldnt have gone out of my way here to find one, its not our commemoration, but when asked if I wanted to there, I have no strong reason to make a "statement" by refusing.


  • #204
    Dublin Spur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭Dublin Spur


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Do you wear anything to remember those who died in our wars/conflicts?

    yes, a poppy

    I define 'our wars' as wars in which Irish People served in / died in so the Poppy covers that for me.

    If there was an Irish poppy type thing I'd support that too.


  • #205
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    DeVore wrote: »
    Catholic, born in Belfast here. I was speaking at an event in the UK on the day and the organisers had a tray of poppies for speakers to wear and I was asked if I wanted one. I took it and wore it and didn't think twice about it. We're moving forward, some people need to get over that.

    ps: I wouldnt have gone out of my way here to find one, its not our commemoration, but when asked if I wanted to there, I have no strong reason to make a "statement" by refusing.

    I get the easier life approach...

    but I'd be questioning why an event organiser felt the need to have a tray of poppies on hand for anyone..


  • #206
    Hannibal_Smith
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 7,152 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    personally i think it say a lot about us as a country, as a mature democracy.

    even the Japanese managed a few poppies, and they had 2 atomic bombs dropped on them!

    then again the Black n Tans did shoot Mary Murphy's heifer in Ballygobackwards in 1921.

    Not even a decent effort at trolling :pac:


  • #207
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Dublin Spur wrote: »
    yes, a poppy

    I define 'our wars' as wars in which Irish People served in / died in so the Poppy covers that for me.

    If there was an Irish poppy type thing I'd support that too.

    there is an Irish Shamrock with a poppy and for the Easter Rising an Easter Lilly

    So you'll be on the lookout for those then


  • #208
    DeVore
    Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 32,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭DeVore


    lawred2 wrote: »
    I get the easier life approach...

    but I'd be questioning why an event organiser felt the need to have a tray of poppies on hand for anyone..
    Its not the "easier life" approach. (Ask anyone here, they'll tell you I don't take the easy road heheh). I just felt like I didnt have a firm reason not to and politeness is something I value. Also I have a leaning towards honouring the men and women of the RAF during WW2 and the soldiers in WW1 who included many Irishmen so it was no harsh task to wear it. The organiser had a tray of them the same way we might have a tray of shamrock on paddys day and yeah, if the Queen herself was here I'd expect her to wear some and be unimpressed if she didnt.


  • #209
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    I bought a poppy every year but have only worn it once (last year at my daughters graduation).

    My great grandfather served with the Royal Dublin Fusiliers and his family benefited from the charity for many years after the war when they hadn't a pot to piss in at Christmas etc.

    But I get some of those who protest it too, but most are knuckle draggers who haven't a clue what they're on about.


  • #210
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    DeVore wrote: »
    Its not the "easier life" approach. (Ask anyone here, they'll tell you I don't take the easy road heheh). I just felt like I didnt have a firm reason not to and politeness is something I value. Also I have a leaning towards honouring the men and women of the RAF during WW2 and the soldiers in WW1 who included many Irishmen so it was no harsh task to wear it. The organiser had a tray of them the same way we might have a tray of shamrock on paddys day and yeah, if the Queen herself was here I'd expect her to wear some and be unimpressed if she didnt.

    Are shamrocks and poppies equatable/equivalent?

    not sure

    I wouldn't expect anything garment or adornment wise from the Queen on a visit here beyond not wearing something offensive... I certainly wouldn't be expecting her to don shamrocks.


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  • #211
    Dublin Spur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭Dublin Spur


    lawred2 wrote: »
    there is an Irish Shamrock with a poppy and for the Easter Rising an Easter Lilly

    So you'll be on the lookout for those then


    Absolutely, I'd like it to be promoted better/bigger than it is.
    It seems to be a very low key thing for something that's so important.


  • #212
    Feisar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,700 ✭✭✭Feisar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    'YOU MUST COMMEMORATE AS WE SAY'. If you don't we will denigrate what you went through and make light of what you suffered.

    Poppy fanatics in full flow here. :rolleyes:

    I find it funny, we are supposed to forget while wearing a symbol of remembrance!?!

    First they came for the socialists...



  • #213
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    lawred2 wrote: »
    might help if you showed an image...

    either way - why should a representative of the Irish state wear or carry anything with a symbol of a foreign armed forces?

    Did you miss the fact that Leo was in the North over the weekend at a remembrance day event, and he laid a wreath at the cenotpath in Enniskillen?

    If the Germans and French can come together on the 11th of November and remember the dead, why cant a few Irish people not stay in the stone age?


  • #214
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    markodaly wrote: »
    Did you miss the fact that Leo was in the North over the weekend at a remembrance day event, and he laid a wreath at the cenotpath in Enniskillen?

    If the Germans and French can come together on the 11th of November and remember the dead, why cant a few Irish people not stay in the stone age?

    Huh?

    Is that what I said?

    Next time - try reading slower. I know you must get your guff out post haste but reading slower might help your comprehension.


  • #215
    reg114
    Registered Users Posts: 687 ✭✭✭reg114


    Ultimately the poppy is merely a symbol of remembrance. Europe owes much to those who gave their lives in the fight for peace and freedom, indeed many Irishmen fought under the auspices of the crown in both world wars. The poppy for some presents an opportunity to attack our former colonial overlords which is a tad pointless given how strong the relationship is between both the uK and Ireland in 2019.


  • #216
    Dublin Spur
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,317 ✭✭✭Dublin Spur


    reg114 wrote: »
    Ultimately the poppy is merely a symbol of remembrance. Europe owes much to those who gave their lives in the fight for peace and freedom, indeed many Irishmen fought under the auspices of the crown in both world wars. The poppy for some presents an opportunity to attack our former colonial overlords which is a tad pointless given how strong the relationship is between both the uK and Ireland in 2019.


    well said - it's pretty simple really


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  • #217
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    reg114 wrote: »
    Ultimately the poppy is merely a symbol of remembrance. Europe owes much to those who gave their lives in the fight for peace and freedom, indeed many Irishmen fought under the auspices of the crown in both world wars. The poppy for some presents an opportunity to attack our former colonial overlords which is a tad pointless given how strong the relationship is between both the uK and Ireland in 2019.

    Nobody objects to the wearing of the poppy - commemoration or paying dues/respects.

    The 'debate' on the poppy centre's around other things it is being used for.


  • #218
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Nobody objects to the wearing of the poppy - commemoration or paying dues/respects.

    The 'debate' on the poppy centre's around other things it is being used for.

    In fairness Francie, you do.

    You are on record here stating that one should not be allowed to continue wearing one if offence was given by that fact. Something about your rights or something.

    I suppose this is progress on your part though. :D:D


  • #219
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    In fairness Francie, you do.

    You are on record here stating that one should not be allowed to continue wearing one if offence was given by that fact. Something about your rights or something.

    I suppose this is progress on your part though. :D:D

    Personally I would be against the wearing or display of any offensive symbols or flags Mark.

    If somebody is wearing something to be deliberately offensive, I am on record as being against that. I don't have a problem with somebody wearing a poppy, Easter lily or anything else as long as it is respectful.

    I note again you see fit to challenge and misquote me, but blithely pass the denigration and offense in posts by the likes of Letwin Larry.


  • #220
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Did you miss the fact that Leo was in the North over the weekend at a remembrance day event, and he laid a wreath at the cenotpath in Enniskillen?

    If the Germans and French can come together on the 11th of November and remember the dead, why cant a few Irish people not stay in the stone age?

    He laid a laurel, not a poppy, wreath.


  • #221
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    He laid a laurel, not a poppy, wreath.

    Did I say he laid a poppy wreath?

    What is the difference between a wreath and a laurel, and dont cheat by googling it.


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  • #222
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,558 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    I actually could not care less about poppys. Don't give a fcuk


  • #223
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Did I say he laid a poppy wreath?

    What is the difference between a wreath and a laurel, and dont cheat google it.

    No, you didn't. But you spectacularly missed the point the poster was making.


  • #224
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Personally I would be against the wearing or display of any offensive symbols or flags Mark.


    Comedy Gold from Francie.

    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105121623&postcount=163
    You said earlier you would wear one and not care. That is by definition 'forcing it' on others.

    If I asked you to take off, would you?

    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105121778&postcount=171
    If you insist on wearing it after you are asked not to. That is 'forcing it' by definition.

    Is the burka being worn to offend? I don't think so, but nice of you to introduce something completely unrelated.

    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105122184&postcount=190
    I think if someone continues to wear something I find offensive that they are forcing it on me.


    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105122507&postcount=207
    If I tell you something is offensive and you continue to do it, that is forcing it on me.

    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105122650&postcount=213
    If I tell them I find it offensive and they continue to wear it, they are forcing it on me.

    :P:P


  • #225
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Comedy Gold from Francie.

    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105121623&postcount=163



    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105121778&postcount=171



    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105122184&postcount=190




    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105122507&postcount=207



    https://www.boards.ie/mobile/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105122650&postcount=213


    :P:P

    Which is 'wearing it to offend somebody' or 'wearing it where you know it will cause offence'.

    Those places exist.

    It would be like waving a Tricolour around areas of Portadown. You have the 'right' to do that, but would you condone it?

    Wear your poppy Mark, but don't wear it to purposely offend.


  • #226
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Which is 'wearing it to offend somebody' or 'wearing it where you know it will cause offence'.

    Can you give us an example of this Francie? How does one wear a poppy 'offensively'? :P

    Perhaps you can draw up some Health and Safety guidelines for us ejits. :P

    Wear your poppy Mark, but don't wear it to purposely offend.

    As I mentioned before, this is a Republic and I can wear what the fcuk I want, when I want and I don't need some stone age Provo apologists giving me yarns about what I can and cannot wear.

    You would have made a great Bishop Francie back in the day.


  • #227
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    Can you give us an example of this Francie? How does one wear a poppy 'offensively'? :P

    Perhaps you can draw up some Health and Safety guidelines for us ejits. :P




    As I mentioned before, this is a Republic and I can wear what the fcuk I want, when I want and I don't need some stone age Provo apologists giving me yarns about what I can and cannot wear.

    You would have made a great Bishop Francie back in the day.

    I have already said you have the 'right' to wave a Tricolour in Portadown. But would you condone somebody doing that?

    I am against the wearing and flying of symbols and flags that cause unnecessary offence on this island. On both sides. I wear neither a poppy or Lily for this reason.

    Because as a person, I have no wish to offend anybody, it doesn't get my juices flowing like it does some people who talk about 'stone age' people or who denigrate (that post you glided past to get at me) what we as a people went through.

    You go right ahead 'excercising your rights Mark'. Best of luck building a respectful society doing that.


  • #228
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,870 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »

    You go right ahead 'excercising your rights Mark'. Best of luck building a respectful society doing that.

    A respectful society is built on tolerance. Something you don't know anything about.

    However, you are signing a different tune today then you were a few years ago, where you objected outright to the Poppy and in fact would have wanted people to remove it if asked.


  • #229
    cj maxx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,558 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    markodaly wrote: »
    A respectful society is built on tolerance. Something you don't know anything about.

    However, you are signing a different tune today then you were a few years ago, where you objected outright to the Poppy and in fact would have wanted people to remove it if asked.
    Singing a different tune now compared to years ago is totally normal imo.
    Its called progress when enough people do it.


  • #230
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    markodaly wrote: »
    A respectful society is built on tolerance. Something you don't know anything about.

    However, you are signing a different tune today then you were a few years ago, where you objected outright to the Poppy and in fact would have wanted people to remove it if asked.

    If it was being worn in a situation where it was causing offence, I did object to it and STILL do. No change from me.

    If you were truly 'tolerant' you would understand that because not wearing it when it causes offence is to be 'tolerant'.
    You wear 'symbols' because you are broadcasting something. It's kinda what 'symbol' means.


  • #231
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,597 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    lawred2 wrote: »
    That bemused me too

    Here everyone - here's some poppies rather than bombs.. Isn't this pretty!?

    It's pure unbridled jingoism at this stage    .

    Indeed, the poppy is just another British nationalist symbol.


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  • #232
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    'YOU MUST COMMEMORATE AS WE SAY'. If you don't we will denigrate what you went through and make light of what you suffered.

    Poppy fanatics in full flow here. :rolleyes:

    i find it a bit bemusing that every other nation on the planet can lay a wreath of poppy flowers, except us.
    why must we pander to a SF/republican agenda?
    they represent nobody.


  • #233
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    i find it a bit bemusing that every other nation on the planet can lay a wreath of poppy flowers, except us.
    why must we pander to a SF/republican agenda?
    they represent nobody.

    Not always necessary to be a sheep.


  • #234
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    i find it a bit bemusing that every other nation on the planet can lay a wreath of poppy flowers, except us.
    why must we pander to a SF/republican agenda?
    they represent nobody.

    Why must we pander to a symbol that isn't ours?
    The State is cognisant of both views here. Those citizens here that have in a very real way been affected by the actions of the British Army and those who gave their lives fighting for the British Army, as soldiers committed to a cause as in 'defeat of Nazism' or as mercenary paid soldiers, who wanted a career as soldiers for whatever army would employ them.

    Which is the 'tolerant' respectful way to do it. We are a sovereign nation and have decided that the fitting commemoration of men and women who gave their lives for the British army is a laurel wreath.


  • #235
    Letwin_Larry
    Closed Accounts Posts: 615 ✭✭✭Letwin_Larry


    markodaly wrote: »
    Did I say he laid a poppy wreath?

    What is the difference between a wreath and a laurel, and dont cheat by googling it.

    but what i would like to know is why on god's earth we cannot (like every other nation, including Japan & Germany) lay a POPPY wreath?

    i'm sorry but the Irish ambassador looked silly yesterday. imo.:o


    It's akin to trolling considering this is an Irish discussion forum.


  • #236
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    The Brits have defo gone full retard with their annual Poppy Porn Fest.

    Yesterday I took my young fella to rugby at 10:30am as normal. At 10:50 a lady went around with a whistle to summon everyone to the club house for a full 15mins of poppy nonsense, a little speech I could not hear, a live stream from the BBC of the Poppy Orgy in London and then each age group from micros to U7s up to the Juniors laid 5 identical poppy wreaths. I am just thinking of all that plastic and the environment. Talk about OTT. All finished at 11:05am. What a dose.

    A pub in Bristol was refusing to serve anyone who was not wearing a poppy.

    They really have lost the plot.


  • #237
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    partyguinness wrote: »
    The Brits have defo gone full retard with their annual Poppy Porn Fest.

    Yesterday I took my young fella to rugby at 10:30am as normal. At 10:50 a lady went around with a whistle to summon everyone to the club house for a full 15mins of poppy nonsense, a little speech I could not hear, a live stream from the BBC of the Poppy Orgy in London and then each age group from micros to U7s up to the Juniors laid 5 identical poppy wreaths. I am just thinking of all that plastic and the environment. Talk about OTT. All finished at 11:05am. What a dose.

    A pub in Bristol was refusing to serve anyone who was not wearing a poppy.

    They really have lost the plot.

    'Poppy nazi' is a label I saw applied yesterday, seems very apt tbh.


  • #238
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    but what i would like to know is why on god's earth we cannot (like every other nation, including Japan & Germany) lay a POPPY wreath?

    i'm sorry but the Irish ambassador looked silly yesterday. imo.:o


    It's akin to trolling considering this is an Irish discussion forum.

    If you are not going to listen that's your problem.

    The reason we lay a 'laurel wreath' is out of respect for the many many Irish people still living who have been victims of the actions of the British Army. We wish to pay respectful homage to those who died for the British but we do not wish to offend anybody either. Tolerant and respectful.


  • #239
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    but what i would like to know is why on god's earth we cannot (like every other nation, including Japan & Germany) lay a POPPY wreath?

    i'm sorry but the Irish ambassador looked silly yesterday. imo.:o


    It's akin to trolling considering this is an Irish discussion forum.
    Well his hair looked funny, but he respectfully laid a wreath, no big deal...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #240
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,460 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    partyguinness wrote: »
    The Brits have defo gone full retard with their annual Poppy Porn Fest.

    Yesterday I took my young fella to rugby at 10:30am as normal. At 10:50 a lady went around with a whistle to summon everyone to the club house for a full 15mins of poppy nonsense, a little speech I could not hear, a live stream from the BBC of the Poppy Orgy in London and then each age group from micros to U7s up to the Juniors laid 5 identical poppy wreaths. I am just thinking of all that plastic and the environment. Talk about OTT. All finished at 11:05am. What a dose.

    A pub in Bristol was refusing to serve anyone who was not wearing a poppy.

    They really have lost the plot.

    I take it that you're based over there


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  • #241
    partyguinness
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    lawred2 wrote: »
    I take it that you're based over there


    No I am in the Bogside...:pac:



    Yes. I am based in England.


  • #242
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Letwin_Larry wrote: »
    The British Army has acted admirably in every conflict it has been involved in. Of course there will always be a tiny, tiny number of rogue elements, but these occur in all walks of life sadly.

    What's more I welcome the move by the Tories to change the law, protecting army veterans from vexatious legal actions. Long overdue imo.

    I sincerely doubt you are here for any purpose other than to wind people up and troll. You need to be more subtle too obvious.


  • #243
    Markcheese
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    partyguinness wrote: »
    The Brits have defo gone full retard with their annual Poppy Porn Fest.

    Yesterday I took my young fella to rugby at 10:30am as normal. At 10:50 a lady went around with a whistle to summon everyone to the club house for a full 15mins of poppy nonsense, a little speech I could not hear, a live stream from the BBC of the Poppy Orgy in London and then each age group from micros to U7s up to the Juniors laid 5 identical poppy wreaths. I am just thinking of all that plastic and the environment. Talk about OTT. All finished at 11:05am. What a dose.

    A pub in Bristol was refusing to serve anyone who was not wearing a poppy.

    They really have lost the plot.

    I suppose the pub owner is entitled to do that, (I think he's a tit though), I wouldn't have a problem with him wearing a poppy though... But there's no shortage of pubs in Bristol..
    Its portrayed as first world war memorial, (and it includes that), but its about "celebrating" all British wars, including their very dodgy ones,
    With all their military leaders there officially, and their politicians..
    I don't have a problem with the british legion fundraising either, but, annoys me that a charity has to fund raise to give former soldiers help, if they need it, shouldn't the government that sent them provide...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #244
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    I suppose the pub owner is entitled to do that, (I think he's a tit though), I wouldn't have a problem with him wearing a poppy though... But there's no shortage of pubs in Bristol..
    Its portrayed as first world war memorial, (and it includes that), but its about "celebrating" all British wars, including their very dodgy ones,
    With all their military leaders there officially, and their politicians..
    I don't have a problem with the british legion fundraising either, but, annoys me that a charity has to fund raise to give former soldiers help, if they need it, shouldn't the government that sent them provide...

    its not about "Celebrating" anything.

    I believe the word you are looking for is "Commemorating".


  • #245
    partyguinness
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    Markcheese wrote: »
    I suppose the pub owner is entitled to do that, (I think he's a tit though), I wouldn't have a problem with him wearing a poppy though... But there's no shortage of pubs in Bristol..
    Its portrayed as first world war memorial, (and it includes that), but its about "celebrating" all British wars, including their very dodgy ones,
    With all their military leaders there officially, and their politicians..
    I don't have a problem with the british legion fundraising either, but, annoys me that a charity has to fund raise to give former soldiers help, if they need it, shouldn't the government that sent them provide...


    Oh yeah I get that he can do that but it just shows how ridiculous it has become.

    The seem to change the goal posts every year. Started off as a WWI commemoration to the "glorious dead". Yeah like being blown to pieces in Flanders in a pointless war and suffer a pointless useless death is "glorious". Now apparently this year it is to commemorate all victims of war.

    This is all to help the guilt of the powers that be.

    My wife's great grand uncle (she is English) was killed on the first day of the Somme- no body ever found.

    There was a report out a few weeks back showing that the British Legion are sitting on a cash pile £87m quid. It is an industry and they must sustain it and it is a propaganda tool for new recruits.


  • #246
    Dublin Spur
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why must we pander to a symbol that isn't ours?
    The State is cognisant of both views here. Those citizens here that have in a very real way been affected by the actions of the British Army and those who gave their lives fighting for the British Army, as soldiers committed to a cause as in 'defeat of Nazism' or as mercenary paid soldiers, who wanted a career as soldiers for whatever army would employ them.

    Which is the 'tolerant' respectful way to do it. We are a sovereign nation and have decided that the fitting commemoration of men and women who gave their lives for the British army is a laurel wreath.

    and if an individual citizen wishes to purchase/wear a poppy to commemorate Irish people who served and or died in the world wars that is also acceptable and nobody else's business but theirs.

    I get it's not everyone cup of tea, it's up to the individual, there's no right or wrong.


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  • #247
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Aegir wrote: »
    its not about "Celebrating" anything.

    I believe the word you are looking for is "Commemorating".

    Proper commemoration should have awareness at it's heart. Unfortunately due to the hijacking of the poppy, sacrifice is glorified without any criticism. Perhaps this guy's sentiments should be the keynote to the 'commemoration'. But we all know that will never be addressed even at this remove.

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  • #248
    partyguinness
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    Well that sums it - legalised mass slaughter.

    WWI was the most disgraceful act of sheer butchery in humankind. It was for nothing on all sides I hasten to add.

    Now the Brits cannot be seen to to say that- "Lads, lets be honest. We sent millions to deaths for no real apparent reason. Sure once we had started we had to keep going. You know how it is. Sorry."

    It was basically a "Who has the biggest cock" competition.

    At least WWII had a clear purpose but then again WWII was direct fallout from WWI.


  • #249
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Proper commemoration should have awareness at it's heart. Unfortunately due to the hijacking of the poppy, sacrifice is glorified without any criticism. Perhaps this guy's sentiments should be the keynote to the 'commemoration'. But we all know that will never be addressed even at this remove.

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    partyguinness wrote: »
    Well that sums it - legalised mass slaughter.

    WWI was the most disgraceful act of sheer butchery in humankind. It was for nothing on all sides I hasten to add.

    Now the Brits cannot be seen to to say that- "Lads, lets be honest. We sent millions to deaths for no real apparent reason. Sure once we had started we had to keep going. You know how it is. Sorry."

    It was basically a "Who has the biggest cock" competition.

    At least WWII had a clear purpose but then again WWII was direct fallout from WWI.

    you two have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.


  • #250
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Aegir wrote: »
    you two have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    With your superior knowledge you should take it upon yourself to inform them of what you believe them to be ignorant of.


  • #251
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,987 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Aegir wrote: »
    you two have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

    I quoted somebody who actually fought in WW1 Aegir. Are you are saying you know better?
    He went to his grave, ashamed of the poppy antics. If that isn't a call to 'hold, enough', then i don't know what is.
    How many bullies like the guy in Bristol or those forcing this on young sportspeople do you wish to enfranchise?
    Commemoration is not the problem here, it is something else entirely.


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