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    #1832
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,832 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Right on cue. Here they come.

    Hungry for argument ie you are wrong. "We" are right.

    Report , ban ,repeat

    I’m confused, I thought you hated echo chambers. Wouldn’t then your preference be that someone challenges your point of view? As soon as someone does you shout “oh here they come” and roll over begging to be victimized by “bans” etc.


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    #1833
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Can we get someone to remind people to keep to the topic of the thread?
    Too often we see people jump in with stuff that has nothing to do with the thread at hand

    This is particularly an issue when it comes to threads dealing with Irish politics.
    We have a number of running mega threads, dealing with the government, FG, and SF...etc.

    Too often posters jump say in the SF thread and bang on about the government or the Greens or FG or whatever, totally unrelated... in a way to detract from the actual thread or topic that is being discussed at that point in time.

    It happens in other threads too to be fair, not as often but it does happen.

    So, can we have rule where one must discuss the topic at hand, that is:
    The government if its the thread about the government
    SF if its a thread about SF
    The Greens if its a thread about the Greens
    FG if its a thread about FG.
    etc..

    This shouldn't be hard tbh.


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    #1834
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Sometimes a counterpoint is relevent to the discussion though, and not just whataboutery,


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    #1835
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    markodaly wrote: »
    Can we get someone to remind people to keep to the topic of the thread?
    Too often we see people jump in with stuff that has nothing to do with the thread at hand

    This is particularly an issue when it comes to threads dealing with Irish politics.
    We have a number of running mega threads, dealing with the government, FG, and SF...etc.

    Too often posters jump say in the SF thread and bang on about the government or the Greens or FG or whatever, totally unrelated... in a way to detract from the actual thread or topic that is being discussed at that point in time.

    It happens in other threads too to be fair, not as often but it does happen.

    So, can we have rule where one must discuss the topic at hand, that is:
    The government if its the thread about the government
    SF if its a thread about SF
    The Greens if its a thread about the Greens
    FG if its a thread about FG.
    etc..

    This shouldn't be hard tbh.

    Would this not just result in endless soapboxing and any discussion/countering shut down then as irrelevant.....making entire threads like a crowdsourced blog post?


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    #1836
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,522 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    We allow some latitude in terms of allowing threads to cover similar ground. If it's blatant we will intervene (particularly where we see multiple reports). For example at one stage we had thread after thread discussing specific SF issues, often started by the same poster, so we told them to stop and just use the one thread

    However when we have threads covering a 3 party government there is bound to be crossover with the specific party threads. Indeed there will be times when we have a dedicated thread on a narrow topic, but it may well be that some of the points being raised are relevant to other threads


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    #1837
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 13,954 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Beasty wrote: »
    We allow some latitude in terms of allowing threads to cover similar ground. If it's blatant we will intervene (particularly where we see multiple reports). For example at one stage we had thread after thread discussing specific SF issues, often started by the same poster, so we told them to stop and just use the one thread

    Yes, of course, there will be some crossover of debate, but IMO there is too much 'whatabout...., whatabout...., whatabout...' going on.

    When questioned on a certain political point or something current, instead of debating that issue, posters often just respond with a 'whatabout'
    However when we have threads covering a 3 party government there is bound to be crossover with the specific party threads. Indeed there will be times when we have a dedicated thread on a narrow topic, but it may well be that some of the points being raised are relevant to other threads

    The government thread is not too bad to be honest, I am more talking about the threads detailing stuff to do with each political party.


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    #1838
    TheRepentent
    Registered Users Posts: 1,083 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    The Trumpists?

    Yes gullible idiots that support a racist turd of a human being.


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    #1839
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    TheRepentent wrote: »
    Yes gullible idiots that support a racist turd of a human being.

    "This is exactly the point

    Anyone referring to Biden as "creepy" can expect sanction - all you are doing is winding up Biden's supporters

    And yes it works the other way. If someone refers to Trump as a "rapist" or "moron" they can expect action.

    Hopefully that draws a line under this specific point"


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    #1840
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,832 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    "This is exactly the point

    Anyone referring to Biden as "creepy" can expect sanction - all you are doing is winding up Biden's supporters

    And yes it works the other way. If someone refers to Trump as a "rapist" or "moron" they can expect action.

    Hopefully that draws a line under this specific point"

    You know I’ve never seen anyone sanctioned for calling people “Libs” either, even though for many Trumpists it carries negative connotations? Trying to dredge up outrage to make these terms seem as inflammatory as “Teabagger” etc. is a transparent exercise.


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    #1841
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Overheal wrote: »
    You know I’ve never seen anyone sanctioned for calling people “Libs” either, even though for many Trumpists it carries negative connotations? Trying to dredge up outrage to make these terms seem as inflammatory as “Teabagger” etc. is a transparent exercise.

    That was written by a mod


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    #1842
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,832 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    That was written by a mod

    I am aware. I am referring to your regurgitation of it and the effort you are putting on trying to equate Trumpist to some kind of degenerate slur.


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    #1843
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Overheal wrote: »
    I am aware. I am referring to your regurgitation of it and the effort you are putting on trying to equate Trumpist to some kind of degenerate slur.

    I had a long reply posted.
    Iv edited it to actually I cant be arsed anymore. Have a good one


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    #1844
    EmmetSpiceland
    Registered Users Posts: 10,559 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    I gave up on the Trumpist angle.

    Someone was banned from the Biden v Trump thread for calling Biden sleepy. It was their second warning after first making a reference to him abusing children

    Someone on this thread called trump a racist yet no action was taken.
    He also threw in gullible idiots for good measure.
    Over 70 million people voted for him.

    This is not in line with the statement made by the mod. The statement that I copy pasted above

    This is evidence of biased moderation. This is why those Trump threads have "no pro" Trump or "anti" Biden posters anymore.
    People have been saying it for months. There is the proof.

    You don't want debate. You only want your side to be heard and if someone opposes it they are banned while your "side' are given carte blanche to write whatever insults that come into your heads

    Was that statement taken from a thread in CA? Wouldn’t really expect something like that, or a mod “warning” from another thread, having any sway over what’s said in here.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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    #1845
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    EmmetSpiceland wrote: »
    Was that statement taken from a thread in CA? Wouldn’t really expect something like that, or a mod “warning” from another thread, having any sway over what’s said in here.

    See the edited version of my post above.

    I'm out. Gluck


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    #1846
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,522 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    "This is exactly the point

    Anyone referring to Biden as "creepy" can expect sanction - all you are doing is winding up Biden's supporters

    And yes it works the other way. If someone refers to Trump as a "rapist" or "moron" they can expect action.

    Hopefully that draws a line under this specific point"

    This has been done to death in this thread already

    In terms of "Trumpist" it's no different to the likes of "Blairite" or "Thatcherite" - absolutely nothing offensive in the term, so can we now drop this and keep this thread to any genuinely new or not previously covered issues


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    #1847
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Beasty wrote: »
    This has been done to death in this thread already

    In terms of "Trumpist" it's no different to the likes of "Blairite" or "Thatcherite" - absolutely nothing offensive in the term, so can we now drop this and keep this thread to any genuinely new or not previously covered issues

    It was more so the name calling and how its treated.
    Ie someone called Biden sleepy = yellow card
    Someone called trump racist = no action

    But it's all good. It's just the way it is


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    #1848
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    It was more so the name calling and how its treated.
    Ie someone called Biden sleepy = yellow card
    Someone called trump racist = no action

    But it's all good. It's just the way it is

    Most likely because the first statement is inaccurate, the second accurate as you already know.


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    #1849
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Most likely because the first statement is inaccurate, the second accurate as you already know.

    You don't get to decide that


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    #1850
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    You don't get to decide that

    Still doesn't change the fact that it's correct.


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    #1851
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,522 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    It was more so the name calling and how its treated.
    Ie someone called Biden sleepy = yellow card
    Someone called trump racist = no action

    But it's all good. It's just the way it is

    As I said, this has been done to death in this thread - please read back a few pages

    Now everyone, can we move on


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    #1852
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 75,522 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A couple of posts continuing the discussion on "name-calling" deleted

    Now as I've already said (twice), please move on


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    #1853
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    It's becoming repetitive as hell that certain threads end up breeding grounds for racism. The latest thread on the carrigaline attack conviction has become another breeding ground for it. And the ones engaging in the racism are more often than not, long time posters who have a history of it.

    The attack itself was never viewed to be racially motivated outside of the far right across the globe amplifying it into one. And there's an essence of it going on here too tbh.


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    #1854
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    the latest thread on the carrigaline attack conviction

    The attack itself was never viewed to be racially motivated

    The video evidence proves otherwise
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    #1855
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,832 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's becoming repetitive as hell that certain threads end up breeding grounds for racism. The latest thread on the carrigaline attack conviction has become another breeding ground for it. And the ones engaging in the racism are more often than not, long time posters who have a history of it.

    The attack itself was never viewed to be racially motivated outside of the far right across the globe amplifying it into one. And there's an essence of it going on here too tbh.

    Racism is broad and nebulous making it inherently difficult for mods to eliminate. Maybe we should just have a 'lets talk about racism' thread. Fear of 'the other' isn't a philosophy that can just be mooted through logic.


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    #1856
    [Deleted User]
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Racism is broad and nebulous making it inherently difficult for mods to eliminate. Maybe we should just have a 'lets talk about racism' thread. Fear of 'the other' isn't a philosophy that can just be mooted through logic.

    Thing is, it reached full prominence because of the global far right and the motivation was most definitely racist. And when you glance at the posters still pushing that angle, they crop up in every thread about race. Eg there's one poster that is frankly fixated on Dr Ebun Joseph because she's raised the issue of racism in Ireland, he manages to bring her up yet again but in this thread? That's a particular angle and it's not so subtle.

    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/far-right-groups-weaponise-cork-18388964


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    #1857
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,832 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thing is, it reached full prominence because of the global far right and the motivation was most definitely racist. And when you glance at the posters still pushing that angle, they crop up in every thread about race. Eg there's one poster that is frankly fixated on Dr Ebun Joseph because she's raised the issue of racism in Ireland, he manages to bring her up yet again but in this thread? That's a particular angle and it's not so subtle.

    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/far-right-groups-weaponise-cork-18388964

    With no way of knowing who any one user is and what their motivations are, mods can only look at the face value and in most circumstances that's face value of the distinct reports/complaints until they begin to match a heuristic pattern (if they do at all). Just because it is raining trumps and putins outside doesn't mean it makes a great forum policy to ban people for being wet with misinformation or stoked tensions about race. **** that clearly crosses the line is easy to deal with and IME gets dealt with sometimes immediately, leaving nothing but the dog whistling.


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    #1858
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    excludedbin wrote: »
    ...

    If you're scared about driving away potential traffic then consider the kind of people you're driving away instead and what kind of userbase you're eventually going to be left with. CA may not yet be as bad as, say, Voat, but that's the direction it's headed in.

    Just seen that voat is shutting down christmas day, prepare for an influx of maybe five users posting twice a week....


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    #1859
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Thing is, it reached full prominence because of the global far right and the motivation was most definitely racist. And when you glance at the posters still pushing that angle, they crop up in every thread about race. Eg there's one poster that is frankly fixated on Dr Ebun Joseph because she's raised the issue of racism in Ireland, he manages to bring her up yet again but in this thread? That's a particular angle and it's not so subtle.

    https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/far-right-groups-weaponise-cork-18388964

    Why not share your opinion on the thread rather than trying to have the thread shut from here? I notice you haven’t posted on the thread over in CA.


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    #1860
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Why not share your opinion on the thread rather than trying to have the thread shut from here? I notice you haven’t posted on the thread over in CA.

    I have no desire to contribute to a thread that amounts to a load of racism. It just ends up being a perpetual argument.


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    #1861
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,832 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    Why not share your opinion on the thread rather than trying to have the thread shut from here? I notice you haven’t posted on the thread over in CA.

    Tried that tact in the BLM thread. In short, people are not interested in critical debate there, they just want to tell you how bad black people are.


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