[Superthread] Mayweather vs Pacman NO STREAMING REQUESTS

walshb · 05-02-2015 1:03pm

Floyd will need to put a lot more effort into his offensive power/delivery than he did against Maidana. That offensive display was poor. Weak punches, short punches, glancing punches and stale punches.

Henno30 · 07-02-2015 9:40pm

I imagine the Cotto rematch is more likely than Khan. Cotto's a diva and difficult to negotiate with, but he needs an opponent after Canelo giving up on him, and Floyd would jump at the chance to make some fake history.

Pighead · 08-02-2015 1:06am

Henno30 wrote: »

I imagine the Cotto rematch is more likely than Khan. Cotto's a diva and difficult to negotiate with, but he needs an opponent after Canelo giving up on him, and Floyd would jump at the chance to make some fake history.

I think it's got to the stage now where if Floyd fights anyone bar Manny the fight will be ignored by the masses and be a flop. There will be a reaction from fight fans if the Manny fight doesn't come through.

Talib Fiasco · 08-02-2015 1:17am

I think Floyd will fight Kahn and not Cotto. I fully expect Cotto to hold out to fight the winner of Lee/Quillin in the summer.

Henno30 · 08-02-2015 2:03am

Pighead wrote: »

I think it's got to the stage now where if Floyd fights anyone bar Manny the fight will be ignored by the masses and be a flop. There will be a reaction from fight fans if the Manny fight doesn't come through.

You'd like to think so but I'm not so sure. These high profile 'negotiations' have never hurt either of them before in terms of PPV sales and gates.

It does at this point look like the fight's not happening anyway, which is the outcome most of us would have expected.

Heard an interview with Dan Rafael today where he more or less acknowledged this. He said that both sides had been making progress, and that Pac had agreed to all terms and the deal looked to be on. And then Floyd got personally involved in the negotiations.

Since then things have gone backwards according to Rafael, with Floyd making more demands on top of what had been agreed and trying to control more and more aspects of the event.

It's the same old pattern really. Mayweather always comes up with a new sticking point every time a deal looks close.

Henno30 · 08-02-2015 4:48pm

Interview with Rafael - https://m.soundcloud.com/hardindr/steven-a-smith-show-dan-rafael-interview-2015-02-03

He says that Pac's side agreed to the offer that came back from the Mayweather team nearly a month ago.

But every time they agree to something Mayweather's camp keeps coming back with new demands. And if Pac's team agrees to those then Mayweather wants more changes.

Pighead · 08-02-2015 9:04pm

Henno30 wrote: »

It does at this point look like the fight's not happening anyway, which is the outcome most of us would have expected.

I'm of the opposite view. I think everything is pointing towards the fight happening. Floyd seems to be making the right noises and Manny seems willing to accept Floyd's terms just to get it on. The current posturing seems to be Floyd looking to get even more money for himself but given Manny's desire to get the fight on I think they'll get past that stumbling block.

Henno30 · 08-02-2015 9:39pm

Pighead wrote: »

I'm of the opposite view. I think everything is pointing towards the fight happening. Floyd seems to be making the right noises and Manny seems willing to accept Floyd's terms just to get it on. The current posturing seems to be Floyd looking to get even more money for himself but given Manny's desire to get the fight on I think they'll get past that stumbling block.

If they're going to announce it they need to get their skates on.

Floyd's latest stunt seems to be all about diverting blame rather than moving towards a deal as well. Secretly recording what was supposed to be a private discussion, then releasing clips of it online is more likely to sabotage a fight than make it happen.

walshb · 08-02-2015 10:04pm

If all this posturing and delaying is about money and squeezing for the extra dollar then it's a disgusting black mark on them both.

Henno30 · 08-02-2015 10:11pm

walshb wrote: »

If all this posturing and delaying is about money and squeezing for the extra dollar then it's a disgusting black mark on them both.

Don't think it is. Pac's side agreed to a deal that that was offered by the Mayweather team last month. When Arum and Koncz started publicly stating that a deal was close, Floyd perked up and started demanding changes to the deal that had been agreed. If Dan Rafael is to be believed, the biggest obstacle at this point is Floyd's narcissism, not any major financial issue.

Normally all this stuff serves as great promotion for the fights they actually do make, that's almost the entire point. But it'll be interesting to see if there's a backlash against Floyd if it doesn't happen this time.

walshb · 08-02-2015 10:21pm

Henno30 wrote: »

Don't think it is. Pac's side agreed to a deal that that was offered by the Mayweather team last month. When Arum and Koncz started publicly stating that a deal was close, Floyd perked up and started demanding changes to the deal that had been agreed. If Dan Rafael is to be believed, the biggest obstacle at this point is Floyd's narcissism, not any major financial issue.

Normally all this stuff serves as great promotion for the fights they actually do make, that's almost the entire point. But it'll be interesting to see if there's a backlash against Floyd if it doesn't happen this time.

Was sorta' thinking that. I mean, after tax I'd say Floyd will make close on 50 million if this fight sells, maybe more. Manny will make 35 plus I would think.

Diddley Squat · 09-02-2015 9:20pm

Still think Mayweather faces Cotto -
in fact I was sure of it when I heard that the Canelo - Cotto fight had collapsed

Henno30 · 09-02-2015 11:11pm

Diddley Squat wrote: »

Still think Mayweather faces Cotto -
in fact I was sure of it when I heard that the Canelo - Cotto fight had collapsed

Have to agree. Could be wrong but it looks like that's where it's headed at the moment.

Littlehorny · 09-02-2015 11:50pm

But is Cotto not managed by Bob Arum, the very one who Mayweather says he won't deal with in the Pacquiao fight negotiations?

Littlehorny · 09-02-2015 11:56pm

Just looked it up, Arum is his promoter. Mayweather is nothing but a hypocrite if he signs to fight Cotto.

Henno30 · 10-02-2015 12:26am

Littlehorny wrote: »

Just looked it up, Arum is his promoter. Mayweather is nothing but a hypocrite if he signs to fight Cotto.

Mayweather exposed himself as a hypocrite a long time ago. Remember when catchweights were cheating.

Spazdarn · 11-02-2015 4:32pm

Arum co promotes Cotto's fights as far as I know, he has his own promotional company Miguel Cotto Promotions...

Littlehorny · 11-02-2015 10:05pm

Latest i heard is from Pacquiao saying he expects the fight to be formally announced within the week.

Henno30 · 11-02-2015 10:17pm

Some talk that Bradley could face Cotto at 155.

Cotto is really going to drag that middleweight lineage through the shit.

Littlehorny · 11-02-2015 10:22pm

^^^ Jaysus! Bradley isn't even a big welterweight! He's not even a top 5 welter at this stage either.

FTA69 · 12-02-2015 10:21am

Henno30 wrote: »

Mayweather exposed himself as a hypocrite a long time ago. Remember when catchweights were cheating.

"What? Y'all don't know sh*t about boxin' "

willmunny1990 · 14-02-2015 11:41pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/manny-pacquiao/11413250/Manny-Pacquiao-and-Floyd-Mayweather-agree-160m-Las-Vegas-mega-fight.html

Joeseph Balls · 14-02-2015 11:57pm

willmunny1990 wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/boxing/manny-pacquiao/11413250/Manny-Pacquiao-and-Floyd-Mayweather-agree-160m-Las-Vegas-mega-fight.html

More of the same...
Headline: fight agreed.
Down the page, FM yet to sign.

flanna01 · 15-02-2015 11:15pm

Greetings Joseph.... Excuse me whilst I have a look around the forum...

With the exception of one or two.... This forum needs some action, some proper debate, no more of this tippy toeing around..

Half the contributors on this forum think they're butlers or something (Yes sir, No sir, Three bags full sir... Pleeease!).. Its time to grow a pair, its time to crack the whip, the boxing Guru is returning shortly....

Now Joey me ould mucker, go forth and spread the word.

walshb · 16-02-2015 4:39pm

I would say it is a done deal despite Floyd being interviewed the other day at a basketball game, I think it was, saying nothing is for definite. He wouldn't be confirming a done deal. That's for his business management.

walshb · 18-02-2015 12:54pm

72 days till May 2nd. This has to be the shortest time that PBF (since he became global, and since his showtime deal) has left his fans waiting to find out who he is fighting?

prettyboy81 · 19-02-2015 11:02pm

It's coming........

HigginsJ · 19-02-2015 11:31pm

Eddie Hearn hinting it will be announced tonight

walshb · 20-02-2015 12:05pm

I'd say later today or tomorrow. I have an uneasy feeling with this fight. Something overly staged about the whole thing. Will Money and Manny fight or spar?

Joeseph Balls · 20-02-2015 12:16pm

walshb wrote: »

I'd say later today or tomorrow. I have an uneasy feeling with this fight.

ebbsy · 20-02-2015 1:07pm

2 questions.

1) What channel do ye think this fight will be on.
2) Is Boxnation worth getting anyway.

walshb · 20-02-2015 1:13pm

ebbsy wrote: »

2 questions.

1) What channel do ye think this fight will be on.
2) Is Boxnation worth getting anyway.

I think Sky may push the boat out for this one and take it.

BoxNation is worth getting. Great channel. A lot of fight cards.

Chrissybhoy · 20-02-2015 2:46pm

Boxnation is a must for fight fans good fights all year round.

Joeseph Balls · 20-02-2015 3:17pm

Where's Jackie in all of this. She's usually good for letting slip a spoiler or two

prettyboy81 · 20-02-2015 8:58pm

walshb wrote: »

I think Sky may push the boat out for this one and take it.

BoxNation is worth getting. Great channel. A lot of fight cards.

BT Sport are players & could make a massive bid for this fight.

efb · 21-02-2015 12:22am

Its on! Only about 5 years late!

PrettyBoy · 21-02-2015 12:34am

Really looking forward to this now

LuckyGent88 · 21-02-2015 12:35am

About bloody time. Few years too late but can't wait for it anyway.

newballsplease · 21-02-2015 12:55am

Meh.....

mada82 · 21-02-2015 12:58am

Pity it's not 2009/2010

Joeseph Balls · 21-02-2015 1:02am

Has it been officially announced yet?

ooPabsoo · 21-02-2015 1:05am

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Has it been officially announced yet?

Yeah! Mayweather put up a picture of the contract signed. Showtime announced it too, 100% done deal.

Pity it didn't happen a few years ago, but still - gonna be a massive fight. Looking forward to it!

The Mig · 21-02-2015 1:33am

Where would one buy tickets for this?

kryogen · 21-02-2015 1:59am

Talk of the PPV buy being huge in terms of cost to the consumer, upwards of $90-$100

weemcd · 21-02-2015 2:03am

Exactly 5 years too late, May 2010 was the night. Still huge but Mayweather wins this 7,8 times outa 10

Henno30 · 21-02-2015 2:06am

Should be a great build-up, even if it's come way too late.

I think it's 50-50 now. Would lean towards Floyd if I had to pick, but I don't think he's the same fighter either.

Glad that it's happening. It's something the sport needs to get out of the way.

Dick phelan · 21-02-2015 2:29am

kryogen wrote: »

Talk of the PPV buy being huge in terms of cost to the consumer, upwards of $90-$100

Yeah going to be 90 bucks for standard vision and 100 for HD, crazy money so glad i'm not an American, I'm guessing it will be on Sky PPV which is like 25 euro. I'll happily pay 25 quid for this and i'd expect the undercard will be insane.

Dick phelan · 21-02-2015 2:30am

The Mig wrote: »

Where would one buy tickets for this?

Nowhere, they will sell out in seconds and will be priced at crazy prices, every room at the MGM has already sold out after only 2 minutes of the fight being announced. The arena will be full of high rollers and celebrities and very very few fans, every A lister will want to go plus all high rollers. Not a hope of getting a ticket.

Deiseboy01 · 21-02-2015 8:42am

http://m.bbc.com/sport/boxing/31133135

Article from the beeb.

Hopefully this fight goes some way to raise the profile of the sport and the move by Al Haymon (which Dirs doesn't mention or is oblivious too) to put some really competitive fights back on terrestrial tv builds on that to create a new wave of stars.

jamescd · 21-02-2015 11:35am

Ticket prices :eek:

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