Haye vs Bellew

Morrison J wrote: »

I think one could assume from his life both inside and outside the ring that he's not that calculated in his approach to things..

I didn't see him biting anyone's ear in the ring when he was winning.
Not that much of a nutjob when there was more at stake.

blade1 wrote: »

where did I say that?
Plenty of times Tyson came up with stuff before a fight to get at his opponents.
Like when he said he wanted to eat Lennox Lewis' children.

That was the veteran Tyson. Post prison. Prime Tyson riled nobody up. He simply walked into the ring and terrorised them. That's why he had such awe and menace. There was nothing but bad intentions, with no frills, heirs and graces or contrived nonsense.

I don't really know why people have an issue with boxers hamming it up. If you don't like the show, don't buy a ticket.

Panto sells. Especially when it comes to fighting. It's why Conor McGregor is very rich.

In his fight with Wlad he had the boot off in the ring, no? To show us the toe? Maybe at the post fight presser.

Maybe not. I can't recall.

Unless his Achilles injury did not affect him in the slightest. But it looked like it really did affect him.

The only way Haye can save face is his coming out publicly to say that the injury had no effect whatsoever on his performance. I am betting that not only does he not, but you will hear how it did affect him, and for him and Sky to keep quiet in the ring when we all knew something was up, that is shenanigans...

Wake up, fellas. And when you do, google "lie by omission."

pac_man wrote: »

Boxers are not in the right frame of mind straight after a fight with a camera and mic shoved in their face. It's up to the interviewer to ask the questions.

I thought he showed great sportsmanship and was very complimentary to Bellew. Had he said, "I would have won that fight but I got injured half way through it", you'd probably accuse him of being unsportsmanlike. The chap can't win either way.

I am looking at this objectively. Both he and Sky were dishonest in not addressing it. It was so bloody obvious.

No way would I have dissed him for bringing up something so bloody obvious.

The issue here is that if he did not address it in the ring then he cannot address it outside the ring. But he has, and you can bet he will make it out that it cost him a chance to win. There lies the dishonesty

I am sick reading about how classy he was not to bring up this injury. It's nothing to do with class. It has to do with addressing what blatantly happened in front of the eyes of the fans and viewers.

BTW, Haye seemed very lucid and relaxed and open in the ring afterwards. Nothing to do with right frame of mind. The interviewer is as bad for not asking the obvious question. Simple: It's deception. It would have been great sportsmanship had he not deliberately failed to mention what happened him in the ring.

Wait for it. When Haye starts talking about how the injury affected his performance, will you then see what I mean?

But, maybe, just maybe the injury did not at all affect Haye. It seems unlikely, but if he comes out and says this, then so be it.

This guy earned millions from this fight. He owes it to the people who paid to explain his performance. Saying nothing yet "saying everything" via his tweets and post on social media doesn't explain it.

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If Haye bring up the injury in the post-fight interview, everyone rolls their eyes and thinks 'typical', regardless of how obvious it was.

The interviewer could and should have asked but if Haye brings it up, people will give out about him bringing it up.

Some will. Some won't. I certainly would not. The fact that it was such an obvious injury, I would think it more odd that he did not bring it up. He can be complimentary and sportsmanlike whilst also being fully honest and truthful and inclusive of the facts.

But like I said, if he comes out and says that the injury did not at all affect his performance then he gets somewhat of a pass from me. However, one would have to think that he is telling fibs, either that or he just turned to mush from rd 6 onwards

I agree about the interviewer. Shambles.

blade1 wrote: »

I'm not disputing Tyson was an animal but if anyone thinks that wasn'tused to sell tickets,well that's a bit naive imo.

Of course he was used. But he himself, his natural persona and presence sold the tickets. Very little had to be done. His look alone was the seller, and of course, his ring performances and fighting style, all natural and not at all embellished. That's a bit different than what I believe you are trying to show.

StringerBell wrote: »

There is no way he takes any major flak from simply acknowledging his lack of mobility in there hampered him, he didn't have to say "Oh I'd have won if it were not for the injury"

The injury was plainly obvious to anybody watching, by completely ignoring it he is being dishonest, to say that was him at 100% was blatantly a lie and then to start using the injury, his team were mentioning it within 24 hours of the fight as an excuse, and now him with his social media, which is only the beginning of this excuse believe me, I can't see how anybody can fail to spot the con job.

Even when he does start speaking bluntly about how the injury cost him the fight, it will be spun to try make him look heroic, that he didn't want to let the fans down who paid that hard earned money, that he felt like he could still get the job done but sadly it just wasn't to be.....next time though!

Well I am glad that I am not the only one to see this as the con it is.

MD1990 wrote: »

Also Haye providing an update after getting surgery is not a big deal as you are trying to make it out to be.

I never mentioned Froch or anyone during the fight. I mentioned Sky as regards the post fight ring interview.

walshb wrote: »

Of course he was used. But he himself, his natural persona and presence sold the tickets. Very little had to be done. His look alone was the seller, and of course, his ring performances and fighting style, all natural and not at all embellished. That's a bit different than what I believe you are trying to show.

No the point was people on about the fake animosity between Haye and Bellew.
I said it was going on for donkeys years.
I used a few names off the top of my head and the weakest one was pinpointed by you and someone else to go against what I said.

walshb wrote: »

I wasn't getting at you to go against you. I just felt that the Tyson example was well off. He would be the most anti contrived riling fighter I could think of when he was competing at or close to his prime. The guy was juts a menace. Plain and simple.

Yes, I didn't mean otherwise to come across.
If I sat down and thought about it I could have chosen probably loads of better examples.
I do feel he did lap up his baddest man on the planet persona though even if he was used by the people around him.

Have you me mixed up with someone else? I haven't mentioned Shane.

murphyebass wrote: »

I haven't really followed the post match stupidity after the farce that it was but Haye is on the sky sports app bugging up a second fight with a potential third and people will remember the fights for decades to come. The man is actually deluded. Lol

Sadly your average boxing fan in the UK is just as deluded and the rematch will do stupidly big numbers.

Fighter with few options for a decent payday plugs a rematch.

I, for one, am massively surprised.

nacho libre wrote: »

Sometimes a fighter can be too brave for his own good. With some injuries the coach has to go against the wishes of the fighter. As we saw recently with Brook.

Haye was on one leg, and letting him continue risked his career. McGuigan should have over ruled his fighter and pulled him out.

Also there was little chance of Haye getting Bellew out of there, given the fact he could easily see what coming from Haye after the injury occurred.
It wasn't a fair contest after the sixth round.

If he thought there was a chance he could land a big one then you take a chance. If Haye was young and a risk would jeopardise fights & paychecks...but Haye is 36 and while they thought he had a puncher's chance, it was a fair enough call.

If it had been Frampton, different ball game.

pac_man wrote: »

He wasn't getting a beating, that's the point I'm trying to make. If he was, take him out. We're talking about Bellew here who has been down numerous times in his career at LHW, i'd take the chance. To use a cliche particularly with heavyweights, one punch can change a fight, just like Danny Williams below.

He wasn't taking a beating, but he was risking his career by the fight being prolonged, if he is in his early twenties, you might argue it would be worth the risk. At 36, the chances him of coming back from it are even harder.
It stopped being a contest for me when he was on one leg. Bellew could see everything coming, so the chances of Haye landing a knockout punch was very slim. Also Bellew has shown much better punch resistance at the higher weights than at light heavyweight.

walshb wrote: »

Shane being criticised for not pulling Haye doesn't make sense to me. He wasn't taking a beating and was still firing shots. Plenty of examples of reckless cornermen allowing their fighters out rd after rd to take a beating, with and without injuries. Haye and Shane are not comparable.

It makes a lot of sense to me to pull a fighter out when he risks long term injury, or a possible career ending one, in a fight he has a slim hope of winning due to said injury, regardless of whether he is taking a beating or not.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this.

Paulie officially retires. No real surprise but nice write up below. Having seen him fight and meeting him in Vegas seems like a nice chap and has obviously grown up from the loose mouth and wild hair!

http://www.boxingscene.com/paulie-malignaggi-magic-man-decides-call-it-day--114327?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

So I decided to spend my morning catching up on this shíte. Why did I do this to myself?

Sky should be ashamed of themselves for hyping that farce as any sort of victory for boxing.

Haye actually showed a bit of bravery in continuing on and even winning a few rounds on one leg. Bellew unable to finish a fighter with zero offence on one leg over 6 rounds...

I want to love boxing as I once did but fights like this would turn you off the sport.

Eddie Hearn and Sky are some shower altogether.