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Hermy · 17-08-2018 11:38pm

Fifth line from the top, right hand page, Feb 4th 1831, baptism of John Hearne.

Anyone got an idea of the mothers surname?

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632931#page/40/mode/1up

New Home · 18-08-2018 12:10am

I'm reading it as Mary Metiage (perhaps French-speaking?). If it's the next line, then I'm reading Treacy.

montgo · 18-08-2018 12:11am

McTeige/McTague?

Hermy · 18-08-2018 12:16am

Thanks for the replies.

Ancestry transcribed it as Metiage but McTeige or variant seems more plausible.

New Home · 18-08-2018 12:18am

I'm surprised the T isn't capitalised.

montgo · 18-08-2018 12:26am

A daughter born on 24 April 1833 to same couple - looks like McTague.

Hermy · 18-08-2018 8:36am

The first word after the date for each entry looks to be a place name.

For my entry the name appears to be Hohan but I can't find it on the map.
Can anyone enlighten me?

EDIT: I wonder would it ever be Slihaun?

spurious · 18-08-2018 10:51am

Hermy wrote: »

EDIT: I wonder would it ever be Slihaun?

If you look on logainm.ie there is at least one period where it was known as Slahaun (Beg and More), so I think you're right.

sheepintheback · 19-08-2018 7:09pm

BIRTH RECORD

in the 5th birth down there is an X next to Paul Donovan's (Father) Name, along with a note in the right column next to this birth. Can anyone read what this note is? and what could it mean?

kanadams123 · 19-08-2018 7:12pm

Actual Register???

The note is corresponding to the mistake under the informant column, where the mothers maiden name was wrote instead of her actual name Mrs. donovan

Hermy · 19-08-2018 7:15pm

Usually these notes are pointing out an error in the entry. In this case I think the error the note - which reads J. W. Y. Assistant Registrar - refers to is the wife's maiden name being entered in column 8 instead of her married name.

srmf5 · 25-08-2018 9:29pm

Can anyone make out the cause of death on this record?

New Home · 25-08-2018 9:32pm

The second word is "croup".

srmf5 · 25-08-2018 9:35pm

New Home wrote: »

The second word is "croup".

Thank you! I wonder if it's viral croup then. It doesn't really look like viral but maybe.

New Home · 25-08-2018 9:43pm

srmf5 wrote: »

Thank you! I wonder if it's viral croup then. It doesn't really look like viral but maybe.

TBH, I don't think so, the "A" looks different in other words. I think it's Me- or Ne- something; it may also be an abbreviation, considering there's a full stop after it.

L1011 · 26-08-2018 6:16pm

James Wainhouse's occupation and Joanna Moran's residence are both a bit awkward to decode here

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11021/8030103.pdf

20th Hussars I know from a later birth cert but he's down as 'servant' on that. The residence might be Duncannon?

New Home · 26-08-2018 6:47pm

L1011 wrote: »

James Wainhouse's occupation and Joanna Moran's residence are both a bit awkward to decode here

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11021/8030103.pdf

20th Hussars I know from a later birth cert but he's down as 'servant' on that. The residence might be Duncannon?

Officer's Servant, 20th Hussars.

New Home · 26-08-2018 6:49pm

New Ross and Duncannon, Wexford, I'd say.

Jellybaby1 · 26-08-2018 11:32pm

New Home wrote: »

Officer's Servant, 20th Hussars.

AKA a batman.

yaledo · 27-08-2018 11:22pm

This isn't really a handrwriting question - it's a question of interpreting a register entry that seems to have an extra field. I'd really like some help.

Struggling with the Dec 3 Entry here in the register of baptisms for Moycullen, Co Galway.
http://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634193#page/29

I think it says:
At Cluniff .. Jn(o) Bane_.Patr[k] .. Joan

The only bit of that that I'm not sure of is Patr[k] - there are hundred's of people recorded as Patt or Pat in this register, but very few recorded as Patr[k].

The schema is:
At <townland> .. <fathers full name> .. <Child's given name>

Bane is a popular surname in the area. Joan occurs quite a bit also. So this entry seems to have an extra field, maybe the father's full name is John Bane Patrick - or maybe the child's name is Patrick Joan

spurious · 28-08-2018 12:06am

Twins are not a possibility are they?

Have you looked at 25 June 1795 too? The second entry for that date.

**edit
findmypast transcribes your entry above as Patk Isan.

pinkypinky · 28-08-2018 9:26am

21st October has 2 names as well - opposite gender - I agree twins are a possibility.

yaledo · 28-08-2018 9:55am

Thanks - very grateful for your input as always.

Twins might be a good explanation. It fits with there being a full extra field in the entry.

I'd dismissed it as I've found twins much later on that each had a separate entry [and a separate 2/6d !] - but this is probably a different priest.

I've also come across an entry where the father's name was given as "John Bane Junior" [July 1799] - where there was a need to distinguish between two different John Banes.

Do you think its possible that this 'John Bane Patrick' might be "John Bane, son of Patrick" - [like the format occasionally seen in Griffiths Valuation]

pinkypinky · 28-08-2018 10:10am

Yes, that's possible too. I've seen that format used in old rent rolls.

pinkypinky · 28-08-2018 11:41am

What's the place written under Eliza Bolger's name - fourth down on this page, please?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05434/4519481.pdf

She died in the workhouse so I presume this was her address.

spurious · 28-08-2018 11:56am

Effernogue, I think.

yaledo · 28-08-2018 4:19pm

Do you think its possible that this 'John Bane Patrick' might be "John Bane, son of Patrick" - [like the format occasionally seen in Griffiths Valuation]

Managed to solve this - I found another entry from July 1805, where the ink is a little less smudgy - Mary, born to "John Bane Pat[k]", Cluniff. Looks like he's recorded as John Bane Patrick, to distinguish him from the other John Bane from Cluniff, who is recorded as "John Bane Jun[r]"

I'm doing research on two Moycullen families, and I'm completely spoiled by the extent and quality of the parish records there.

New Home · 28-08-2018 11:18pm

(L. G. Meara) NVM, it looks like the post got deleted.

pedroeibar1 · 29-08-2018 8:56am

pinkypinky wrote: »

What's the place written under Eliza Bolger's name - fourth down on this page, please?

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05434/4519481.pdf

She died in the workhouse so I presume this was her address.

Agree with Spurious - Effernogue, it's near Ferns.

pinkypinky · 29-08-2018 12:06pm

Any thoughts on the note on the first marriage here please?

The bride and groom have the same surname so I expect it to be some kind of consanguinity note, but there's nothing in the dispensations column.

pedroeibar1 · 29-08-2018 2:24pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Any thoughts on the note on the first marriage here please?

The bride and groom have the same surname so I expect it to be some kind of consanguinity note, but there's nothing in the dispensations column.

I can't read it as posted/linked. Tried opening the page separately but the magnifier does not work.

mickmackey1 · 29-08-2018 2:52pm

Well here's the full view on pdf. Think it's Latin though, at which I'm useless -

yaledo · 29-08-2018 3:09pm

The entry two below has a similiar annotation - i can see the word Matrimonius for sure, but can only have a guess that the rest looks roughly like:

Stransus fuit autrea matrimonius langanitur

That last word could be something to do with blood [like sanganitur]

Hermy · 29-08-2018 5:04pm

pedroeibar1 wrote: »

I can't read it as posted/linked. Tried opening the page separately but the magnifier does not work.

If you click Microfilm 04602 / 05 arrowed in the image that'll take you back to the page with the magnifier function.

Wyldwood · 29-08-2018 7:56pm

Looks like Sponsus fuit antea in matrimonio consanguinitum - the groom was previously in a blood relationship? Doesn't make much sense, maybe somebody with fresher latin than mine will be along.

edit: I wonder does it mean the groom was previously married?

edit 2: looking at the civil registration John is a widower so my guess is that's the meaning of the note.

Vetch · 29-08-2018 8:37pm

Wyldwood wrote: »

Looks like Sponsus fuit antea in matrimonio consanguinitum - the groom was previously in a blood relationship? Doesn't make much sense, maybe somebody with fresher latin than mine will be along.

edit: I wonder does it mean the groom was previously married?

edit 2: looking at the civil registration John is a widower so my guess is that's the meaning of the note.

I think the last word is 'conjunctus' but agreed otherwise.

pedroeibar1 · 30-08-2018 12:12am

Agree with Vetch - sponsus fuit antes in matrimonio conjunctus - the groom was formerly joined in matrimony.

pinkypinky · 30-08-2018 9:19am

Thanks all. I hadn't seen that one before.

srmf5 · 01-09-2018 12:06am

Can anyone make out the cause of death for this baby? She was a twin and her twin had the same cause of death recorded but I can't make it out or else I'm not familiar with the term.

spurious · 01-09-2018 12:17am

I think it might be Inanition, exhaustion due to lack of food. Perhaps there were birth defects that made them unable to feed?

hblock21 · 07-09-2018 10:10am

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05768/4630061.pdf
No. 269 John Kiely. Can anyone make out what the cause of death was?
Thanks

BigCon · 07-09-2018 10:15am

hblock21 wrote: »

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05768/4630061.pdf
No. 269 John Kiely. Can anyone make out what the cause of death was?
Thanks

Strangulation by hanging himself whilst temporarily insane.

pedroeibar1 · 07-09-2018 12:09pm

The notifier was the Coronor for Co. Tipp who held an inquest on 24 October, so a look at local press after that date might give more info.

VirginiaB · 07-09-2018 2:46pm

So sad!

DamoRed · 08-09-2018 2:32pm

Find My Past is free this weekend, and I've found various nuggets relating to family members.

This enquiry is about a claim and counterclaim of assault in the Petty Sessions Court

https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=IRE/PETTYS/4619370/00352&parentid=IRE/PETTYS/4619370/00352/1874997 1st & 2nd entries

What I have so far:

11 - June 9, 1871; Complainant: Mary Molyneux; Defendant: Rose Lee, Hazelhatch; Witnesses: Mary Molyneux & Mary Lyons?; Complaint: That defendant did at Hazelhatch on 4th June ___ & 5th do(ditto) use threatening language ___ ____ and did assault her & her children; Particulars: Case dismissed?

12 - June 9, 1871; Complainant: Rose Lee; Defendant: George Molyneux & Mary Molyneux; Witnesses: Rose Lee, Mary Lee?; Complaint: That defendant did assault complainant? at Hazelhatch on the 4th & 5th of June ___; Particulars: Case dismissed?

spurious · 08-09-2018 2:56pm

DamoRed wrote: »

What I have so far:

11 - June 9, 1871; Complainant: Mary Molyneux; Defendant: Rose Lee, Hazelhatch; Witnesses: Mary Molyneux & Mary Lyons?; Complaint: That defendant did at Hazelhatch on 4th June inst. & 5th do(ditto) use threatening language to Compl(ainan)t and did assault her & her children; Particulars: Case dismissed?

12 - June 9, 1871; Complainant: Rose Lee; Defendant: George Molyneux & Mary Molyneux; Witnesses: Rose Lee, Mary Lee?; Complaint: That defendant did assault complainant? at Hazelhatch on the 4th & 5th of June inst; Particulars: Case dismissed?

inst. means this month. I'm not sure if it can also mean this year.

DamoRed · 08-09-2018 3:00pm

Another one, from 1882

https://search.findmypast.ie/record?id=IRE/PETTYS/4619372/00568&parentid=IRE/PETTYS/4619372/00568/1893073

5 - Complainant: Timothy Colclough; Defendant: George Molyneux, Hazelhatch; Witnesses: T Colclough, J Dowling; Complaint: That defendant allowed a number of geese? (on) his property to trespass on complainant's meadow pasture land at Hazelhatch in said district twice on the 31st of July 1882: Particulars: Defendand to pay 8d fine & 2d costs. 6d ____ if warrant issued.

Christ Almighty! If allowing these errant geese to wander once onto the neighbour's meadow wasn't bad enough, he went and let them do it again! Lock him up & throw away the key! :mad:

On previous entries, the complainant is named as S.C. P or Peter Brady. In this instance, what does the SC stand for? Is it Sub Const. short for constable?

spurious · 08-09-2018 3:03pm

DamoRed wrote: »

5 - Complainant: Timothy Colclough; Defendant: George Molyneux, Hazelhatch; Witnesses: T Colclough, J Dowling; Complaint: That defendant allowed a number of geese? (on) his property to trespass on complainant's meadow + pasture land at Hazelhatch in said district twice on the 31st of July 1882: Particulars: Defendand to pay 8d fine & 2d costs. 6d add(itiona)l if warrant issued.

On previous entries, the complainant is named as S.C. P or Peter Brady. In this instance, what does the SC stand for? Is it Sub Const. short for constable?

Sub. Const. was a rank in the RIC.

DamoRed · 08-09-2018 3:14pm

Thanks for both, Spurious. My grandfather was a Civic Guard, it now appears that his father, Peter, for whom I'd no occupation information, was also a law keeper. Great to be able to add this to his records.

I meant to say, that in searching for records of one great-grandfather, I had the rare privilege of seeing both maternal and paternal on the same page, if for very different reasons.

This has been a very fruitful few hours of searching on Find My Past, a site where I've never had a subscription before. That's sure to change, if only for a month here or there, as needs arise.

BigCon · 13-09-2018 2:47pm

Any ideas for this one?

First entry on the page - https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634795#page/194/mode/1up

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