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Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    someone remind me - isn't spitting at someone considered assault?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Taxi man coming home this evening. I was indicating right to overtake a slower cyclist in front of me - we'd just moved off from a junction. But no, Mr Taxi Man's journey is more important than mine. So he proceeds to speed up and keep overtaking me, beeping furiously as he passed me into oncoming traffic, who had to brake. They're now beeping as well. A completely pointless manoeuvre.

    When I caught up with him at the lights, a few hundred meters away, I reminded him that an arm signal is the same as those orange flashing lights on a car and denotes intention to change direction to other road users. He looked puzzled. Maybe he missed taxi school the day this was being explained.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,279 ✭✭✭Chiparus


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    Taxi man coming home this evening. I was indicating right to overtake a slower cyclist in front of me - we'd just moved off from a junction. But no, Mr Taxi Man's journey is more important than mine. So he proceeds to speed up and keep overtaking me, beeping furiously as he passed me into oncoming traffic, who had to brake. They're now beeping as well. A completely pointless manoeuvre.

    When I caught up with him at the lights, a few hundred meters away, I reminded him that an arm signal is the same as those orange flashing lights on a car and denotes intention to change direction to other road users. He looked puzzled. Maybe he missed taxi school the day this was being explained.

    Indication classes were dropped a number of years ago from the curriculum at taxi school.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    A not so near miss over on the dashcam thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103122167&postcount=5888


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    josip wrote: »
    A not so near miss over on the dashcam thread

    What's almost as bad is the clown in the N-Plate car had his eye fixed on his far right and completely failed to notice what was directly in front of him! If car 1 didn't crush the bike car 2 would have! :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    josip wrote: »

    HE SHOULD OF BEEN IN THE CYCLE LANE


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,999 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    buffalo wrote: »
    HE SHOULD OF BEEN IN THE CYCLE LANE

    Cyclists should pay Road Tax!

    ...:pac:....:pac:....:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭Danbo!


    Got through to traffic watch this morning eventually. About 2 minutes after hanging up I had someone from Terenure station calling me and asking if I was willing to make a statement about it. She did say "you know if it goes to court you'll have to go" with a slight tone that made me think I'm wasting their time a little. But screw it, I put up with enough sh*t on the roads from careless driving, if this guy wants to stop dead during rush hour at the exit of a massive roundabout just so he can spit at me, then I'll gladly go to court (even though I know it's unlikely to get that far)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    the funny thing is that the car giving you more room was technically the one breaking the law, as he put his wheels over a solid white line.

    I believe you are allowed to cross a single white line in certain circumstances, like passing slow moving vehicles. It's not safe to pass at "normal" speeds. Double solid white lines is a no no.

    Had a close call with a cyclist this morning, I was overtaking him, when he decided to overtake a cyclist in front of him pushing me out towards a car. When I asked him to look before he makes a move his answer was "you need to give me at least a meter". Why is it that some cyclists people you just can't talk to, they are completely blind to their errors.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    buffalo wrote: »
    HE SHOULD OF BEEN IN THE CYCLE LANE

    Indeed one of the first comments implied that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,762 ✭✭✭jive


    josip wrote: »

    I think we can all agree what the cyclist's hi vis wasn't hi vis enough and his helmet was barely even helmetty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,772 ✭✭✭cython


    I believe you are allowed to cross a single white line in certain circumstances, like passing slow moving vehicles. It's not safe to pass at "normal" speeds. Double solid white lines is a no no.

    Had a close call with a cyclist this morning, I was overtaking him, when he decided to overtake a cyclist in front of him pushing me out towards a car. When I asked him to look before he makes a move his answer was "you need to give me at least a meter". Why is it that some cyclists people you just can't talk to, they are completely blind to their errors.

    And if you gave him a metre, how much was he going to be able to give the person he was overtaking? Certainly wasn't going to be able to afford them the same courtesy! :confused::confused: What a bloody pleb!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    buffalo wrote: »
    HE SHOULD OF BEEN IN THE CYCLE LANE

    He had a helmet and hi-vis, so all's good:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    Pinch Flat wrote: »
    He had a helmet and hi-vis, so all's good:rolleyes:

    Anyone checked if he was wearing earphones?

    Or is that only an issue when in a collision with a HGV?


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    amusing one this morning, with a motorist deciding to pull out and overtake me approaching a roundabout, and thankfully realising (thankfully before he had pulled alongside me) that he was heading straight for a traffic island.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,245 ✭✭✭check_six


    amusing one this morning, with a motorist deciding to pull out and overtake me approaching a roundabout, and thankfully realising (thankfully before he had pulled alongside me) that he was heading straight for a traffic island.

    Fella did something similar trying to pass me and my kids. Goes for ill advised overtake approaching traffic island. He then swerves wildly to the other side of the road as he realises his mistake. He rounds the traffic island on the wrong side of the road and swerves back before nearly colliding with another island slightly further ahead. The islands are positioned near a bend in the road. What's coming the other way is not visible from the part of the road the man swerved into when avoiding the island. Could have been messy if someone had been coming the other way on this relatively busy road.

    As you would expect, we rolled past him stuck in a queue of traffic at the next set of lights around the corner.

    What I found extraordinary was the lack of awareness of what was ahead on the road. Not even scanning 20 yards ahead, never mind 100. I really think these kind of drivers must be in a permanent state of shock as things "appear from nowhere" in the road. You even see it with people doing mad accelerating and then screechy braking in heavy traffic as if they imagined that their heavy use of the pedal would evaporate the queues of cars, or traffic lights in front of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,767 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    amusing one this morning, with a motorist deciding to pull out and overtake me approaching a roundabout, and thankfully realising (thankfully before he had pulled alongside me) that he was heading straight for a traffic island.

    Be careful though, you'll be blamed if they break their car. I still have a little snigger everytime I pass this spot.....

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88490012


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    That's a strange way of describing it! :confused:

    Apologies for being pedantic but roundabout entry is always described from the users POV - i.e. no matter where you enter, it is always at 6 O'Clock (so you were actually exiting at 3 O'Clock).

    LOL, I was picturing the roundabouts orientation based on where I'm sitting at the moment relative to the roundabout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    While driving an extremely large vehicle yesterday I had a cyclist pedal faster so he could pass up the inside while I am moving at say around 30km/h and the road design terrible in my view as he was coming up in a broken line cycle lane which I was in as road space too narrow.

    He proceeded to bang the side of the vehicle while shouting and continued to pass and then shoots out in front with the fingers and a dirty look.

    Now to understand it better I did not pass this guy or on purpose try and block in any way but why would anyone have a fight with a 17ton vehicle???????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    While driving an extremely large vehicle yesterday I had a cyclist pedal faster so he could pass up the inside while I am moving at say around 30km/h and the road design terrible in my view as he was coming up in a broken line cycle lane which I was in as road space too narrow.

    He proceeded to bang the side of the vehicle while shouting and continued to pass and then shoots out in front with the fingers and a dirty look.

    Now to understand it better I did not pass this guy or on purpose try and block in any way but why would anyone have a fight with a 17ton vehicle???????

    Some people would argue with their shadow. I wouldn't over think it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Some people would argue with their shadow. I wouldn't over think it!

    I know what you mean believe me it happens quite a lot.

    I just worry I'll be blamed for killing or seriously injuring one as what they do is beyond crazy.

    Darwin award stuff.

    I've had cyclists hold on to the rear at speed, cycle into the rear and side.
    Some have got handle bars wedged into side and if weren't looking in mirror they would be under the wheels.
    This thing also cycling up on bends or 90 degree turns also.

    There should be more education and policing IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    I know what you mean believe me it happens quite a lot.

    I just worry I'll be blamed for killing or seriously injuring one as what they do is beyond crazy.

    Darwin award stuff.

    I've had cyclists hold on to the rear at speed, cycle into the rear and side.
    Some have got handle bars wedged into side and if weren't looking in mirror they would be under the wheels.
    This thing also cycling up on bends or 90 degree turns also.

    There should be more education and policing IMO.

    Get yourself a dashcam, most come with some sort of suction mounts if you move vehicle often. It'll save you from more than just silly cyclists.

    (I fear we are getting off topic here...)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    While driving an extremely large vehicle yesterday I had a cyclist pedal faster so he could pass up the inside while I am moving at say around 30km/h and the road design terrible in my view as he was coming up in a broken line cycle lane which I was in as road space too narrow.

    He proceeded to bang the side of the vehicle while shouting and continued to pass and then shoots out in front with the fingers and a dirty look.

    Now to understand it better I did not pass this guy or on purpose try and block in any way but why would anyone have a fight with a 17ton vehicle???????

    He obviously fancied you like mad, and was desperate for you to stop so he could make his play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Cycling around NCD last Saturday. A nice clear sunny morning. A horse & rider is approaching me from the opposite direction. A car is also approaching me and its clear to me that the three of us are going to arrive at the same bit of road at the same time, so i begin to slow down. The car driver proceeds to move over onto my side of the road, and proceeds to overtake the Horse. The driver moves right over to the opposite side of the road, so much so, that i have nowhere to go! I have to stop, unclip from my pedals, and step off the road onto the grass ditch!. the driver keeps coming towards me, all while looking directly at the Horse!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Cycling around NCD last Saturday. A nice clear sunny morning. A horse & rider is approaching me from the opposite direction. A car is also approaching me and its clear to me that the three of us are going to arrive at the same bit of road at the same time, so i begin to slow down. The car driver proceeds to move over onto my side of the road, and proceeds to overtake the Horse. The driver moves right over to the opposite side of the road, so much so, that i have nowhere to go! I have to stop, unclip from my pedals, and step off the road onto the grass ditch!. the driver keeps coming towards me, all while looking directly at the Horse!

    Pet hate of mine, car drivers in Dublin, think its fine to overtake parked cars etc while traveling towards me at speed, very common around Goatstown, where I live. Simply no concept of a bike as a road user. They don't even slow down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭Chuchote


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Cycling around NCD last Saturday. A nice clear sunny morning. A horse & rider is approaching me from the opposite direction. A car is also approaching me and its clear to me that the three of us are going to arrive at the same bit of road at the same time, so i begin to slow down. The car driver proceeds to move over onto my side of the road, and proceeds to overtake the Horse. The driver moves right over to the opposite side of the road, so much so, that i have nowhere to go! I have to stop, unclip from my pedals, and step off the road onto the grass ditch!. the driver keeps coming towards me, all while looking directly at the Horse!

    I've had that happen to me a lot with drivers coming towards me overtaking cyclists on their side. They obviously think they're being very good, bless them, but it doesn't occur that they're about to bolognese a cyclist coming towards them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    In a lot of cases they actually don't even see you as their brain doesn't register a bike same goes for motorbikes.

    It is something that needs to be taught and education is key.

    What is the usual answer given when a collision occurs is oh I didn't see you.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    Cycling around NCD last Saturday. A nice clear sunny morning. A horse & rider is approaching me from the opposite direction.
    my wife knows a couple of people who go horseriding occasionally on the roads around NCD (well, specifically, from thorton park); horse riders seem to have similar complaints to cyclists, except they've the added bonus that their steed has a mind of its own.
    most recently, one of the riders was complaining that she was overtaken by two motorbike riders, one of whom revved the bike hard as (s)he passed, nearly sending the horse into the ditch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,870 ✭✭✭✭mrcheez


    check_six wrote: »
    What I found extraordinary was the lack of awareness of what was ahead on the road. Not even scanning 20 yards ahead, never mind 100.

    The lack of scanning ahead of the object in front of you is a skill sorely lacking amongst drivers in this country.

    It doesn't take much to look ahead and determine "if I overtake this cyclist will I actually get to my destination faster, or just end up at the next set of traffic lights where they will go in front of me again?"

    It's probably my time cycling that has made me think this way and I rarely overtake a cyclist while driving in the city.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭irlirishkev


    mrcheez wrote: »
    The lack of scanning ahead of the object in front of you is a skill sorely lacking amongst drivers in this country.

    It doesn't take much to look ahead and determine "if I overtake this cyclist will I actually get to my destination faster, or just end up at the next set of traffic lights where they will go in front of me again?"

    It's probably my time cycling that has made me think this way and I rarely overtake a cyclist while driving in the city.

    Likewise. I recently got lifted out of it by a car behind me (whilst driving), because I wouldn't overtake a slow moving cyclist in front of me. I would have had to squuuueeze past him, and I could see a line of stopped traffic at the next lights.
    I really don't understand the anger people carry around with them..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    my wife knows a couple of people who go horseriding occasionally on the roads around NCD (well, specifically, from thorton park); horse riders seem to have similar complaints to cyclists, except they've the added bonus that their steed has a mind of its own.
    most recently, one of the riders was complaining that she was overtaken by two motorbike riders, one of whom revved the bike hard as (s)he passed, nearly sending the horse into the ditch.


    Well I hope to address that at a meeting tonight. My club are holding a meeting regarding our races and one of the topics i'll be discussing is what to do if you come across a horse on the road.

    I do think a lot of people don't realize or know what they should or should do in this situation. especially cyclist who live in urban areas, but then cycle in rural area on the weekends/sportives etc.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,196 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    amusing one this morning, with a motorist deciding to pull out and overtake me approaching a roundabout, and thankfully realising (thankfully before he had pulled alongside me) that he was heading straight for a traffic island.
    and an almost identical incident on the way home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,229 ✭✭✭RobertFoster


    and an almost identical incident on the way home.
    I thought about your post today when a car squeezed between me and a bin lorry just before the roundabout in Laraghcon heading into Lucan. The three of us arrived at the traffic lights to cross the Liffey at the exact same time, so their fast close pass and dive leftwards to avoid the traffic island was in vain. Doubly so as I filtered around them into the bike box and crossed the river in front of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,263 ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    VID_124680629_175008_565_zpsyqblczl8.mp4?w=160&h=160&fit=clip

    Coming up the old N3 a while ago, car overtaking towards up at huge speed


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭Sarz91


    Coming back home from leeson street this evening I got just passed Appian way to find a taxi flipped on its roof. Hope everyone involved is ok but for Christ sake how do we stand a chance with that sort of nonsense?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    What's really concerning to me is the sheer number of these that are being documented here. Given its only a Boards sample, this attitude/behaviour/carelessness/lack of respect etc is actually at epidemic levels. However, the embattled Garda Commissoner tells us the cut backs had no impact on policing? The evidence that that is nonsense is evident every minute of the day on Irish roads. It will take years to change bad driving behaviours that has now become ingrained and acceptable to many motorists.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Pet hate of mine, car drivers in Dublin, think its fine to overtake parked cars etc while traveling towards me at speed, very common around Goatstown, where I live. Simply no concept of a bike as a road user. They don't even slow down.
    I think it's even worse on rural roads! Your cycling along and a car coming towards you. Then another car overtakes the first car and comes towards you at speed! It's a regular occurrence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Here a pic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    I want to see the photo the other cyclist is taking, his photo will have you taking a photo of him taking a photo of you. Some real inception **** there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Chuchote wrote: »
    I've had that happen to me a lot with drivers coming towards me overtaking cyclists on their side. They obviously think they're being very good, bless them, but it doesn't occur that they're about to bolognese a cyclist coming towards them.

    I think it a lot of cases drivers feel that cyclists are some kind of 2nd class questions who have to get out of the way when a driver is there. So they just don't think about who has priority on which side of the road - they just think car > bike, so I'll keep going.
    Sarz91 wrote: »
    Coming back home from leeson street this evening I got just passed Appian way to find a taxi flipped on its roof. Hope everyone involved is ok but for Christ sake how do we stand a chance with that sort of nonsense?
    Here a pic

    Saw that too - couldn't work out how it could possibly happen that a car had enough speed and momentum to flip over in a very busy and short stretch of road.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,011 ✭✭✭✭Wishbone Ash


    Here a pic
    The Garda looks a bit strange with a leather lower half and an ordinary upper half.

    Most motorcycle cops usually conduct their business with the helmet still on which can be annoying as it can be difficult to hear their muffled questions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    DFB have a photo, where they've blurred out the licence plate, and also blurred out some indecipherable symbol on the driver's door. :pac::pac:

    https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/849675180825882634/photo/1

    C8qnCjjWsAEqUz1.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,749 ✭✭✭degsie


    buffalo wrote: »
    DFB have a photo, where they've blurred out the licence plate, and also blurred out some indecipherable symbol on the driver's door. :pac::pac:

    https://twitter.com/DubFireBrigade/status/849675180825882634/photo/1

    C8qnCjjWsAEqUz1.jpg

    Spot the cyclist on the footpath :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,095 ✭✭✭buffalo


    degsie wrote: »
    Spot the cyclist on the footpath :o

    HE SHOULD OF BEEN IN THE CYCLE LANE


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,260 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    How does a car overturn in a speed restricted area (50kmph I think?)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,154 ✭✭✭✭josip


    degsie wrote: »
    Spot the cyclist on the footpath :o

    How did you see him without a hi-viz?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    The Garda looks a bit strange with a leather lower half and an ordinary upper half.

    Most motorcycle cops usually conduct their business with the helmet still on which can be annoying as it can be difficult to hear their muffled questions.

    He jumped in a car to attend that happens.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,255 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    How does a car overturn in a speed restricted area (50kmph I think?)

    Quite easily

    https://youtu.be/ASWmMY-kiy4


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭HivemindXX


    Kaisr Sose wrote: »
    What's really concerning to me is the sheer number of these that are being documented here. Given its only a Boards sample, this attitude/behaviour/carelessness/lack of respect etc is actually at epidemic levels. However, the embattled Garda Commissoner tells us the cut backs had no impact on policing? The evidence that that is nonsense is evident every minute of the day on Irish roads. It will take years to change bad driving behaviours that has now become ingrained and acceptable to many motorists.

    To be fair the cutbacks haven't had an effect on this. Policing of this sort of behaviour has always been non-existent. I don't know how long you've been about but in my opinion the current state of driving is actually a significant improvement on how people drove 20 years ago. Which is not to say there aren't still plenty of horrifying dreadful drivers who need to be off the roads, there are just more responsible ones now.

    Of course there are more people swerving all over the road because they are on their phones now but the incidents of close passes and stupid oncoming overtakes are less than before. I did see a car acting oddly the other day. He was about 50m ahead of me but he was going about 20kph and as I watched he drifted slowly until his wheels were on the white line of the cycle lane, which must have worried the cyclist he was just behind. When I caught up to him I was surprised to see that instead of being on his phone as I expected he was using both hands to clean his glasses.

    This is without even talking about drunk driving, it used to be that I was glad to see a taxi coming at me late at night because they were probably sober, unlike the drivers of a lot of private cars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭HivemindXX


    07Lapierre wrote: »

    The driver in that video was a learner who went off the road and over and obstruction. So the answer to "how do you do that in a 50kph zone" seems to be "by doing something extremely stupid".


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