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megadodge · 11-11-2018 8:43pm

Do the authorities ban all post fight ring interviews until the boxers are medically assessed?

Yes, I believe they should.

walshb · 11-11-2018 8:56pm

Then there would be no post fight ring interviews...

Sometimes signs and symptoms may not present until quite a bit after the event...

It’s not going to happen...a diagnosis/exam takes time...

Not sure, but are boxers not checked over/assessed right after world title fights? Not sure of the rules, but even if true it won’t always get it right as regards, for example, concussion.

megadodge · 11-11-2018 11:06pm

walshb wrote: »

Then there would be no post fight ring interviews...

Sometimes signs and symptoms may not present until quite a bit after the event...

It’s not going to happen...a diagnosis/exam takes time...

Not sure, but are boxers not checked over/assessed right after world title fights? Not sure of the rules, but even if true it won’t always get it right as regards, for example, concussion.

I sure wouldn't miss them.

From a facetious point of view - what percentage of post-fight interviews are even remotely interesting?

It's negligible.

"I want to thank the Lord God Almighty My Saviour, without who I wouldn't have been able to achieve.... [what about the trainer]... I'll fight anybody... my team looks after that.... etc. etc." BOOOOOORRRRING!!!!!

SHOVELLER · 12-11-2018 12:14am

Morrison J wrote: »

There really is so much wrong with British boxing. How Sky sell these fights is gone beyond a joke, it's pure propaganda and every single time there's people who lap it up. Will people ever cop on to it? Surely it eventually gets to a point where people tune out.

Having every pundit under the sun tip Bellew during the week is one thing but even continuing it during the fight after people have bought the PPV is something else. Haye talking as if Bellew was putting on a total clinic the first four rounds, Froch giving any Usyk round as a 10-10, Adam Smith making you think Usyk was on the verge of getting stopped, Paulie Malignaggi the only one who brought any sanity to the broadcast.

Then there's judges cards again. How anyone could've had Bellew three up there is just amazing and has sadly become the norm in the UK now.

It's all getting very tiring I think. Give me a good card on Showtime or ESPN over in the States any day over this. They don't dress it up to be anything but what it is.

Mirrors their propaganda about their football too. But are we really shocked that sky do this? Is this news?

People will never tune out as hype sells. It's a momentous gravy train that needs fuel to keep going. Truth and objectivity will never really come into it.

As regards post fight interviews they are a necessity as with emotions high there will be always be a chance of something controversial being said. Was Bellew concussed? I'm not qualified to say but just initially thought he was being himself. Not the brightest spark around.

Morrison J · 12-11-2018 1:14am

SHOVELLER wrote: »

Mirrors their propaganda about their football too. But are we really shocked that sky do this? Is this news?

People will never tune out as hype sells. It's a momentous gravy train that needs fuel to keep going. Truth and objectivity will never really come into it.

I just think theres a line they don't cross with football that they have no problem crossing with the boxing. Picking Bellew to beat Usyk and saying he's the better boxer etc is like picking Cardiff to beat Man City and saying Cardiff are the better team. If Gary Neville said that on Sky he'd be rightly mocked, if he did it every single week he'd eventually be sacked. Jonny Nelson does it for every big fight and nobody says a thing. He's apparently being paid to be an analyst.

When Crolla fights Lomachenko I'm sure Sky will have the Salido fight on loop and we'll hear Jonny Nelson saying Crolla can rough Loma up and win a close fight. You couldn't make it up.

Sweet.Science · 12-11-2018 10:21am

Morrison J wrote: »

I just think theres a line they don't cross with football that they have no problem crossing with the boxing. Picking Bellew to beat Usyk and saying he's the better boxer etc is like picking Cardiff to beat Man City and saying Cardiff are the better team. If Gary Neville said that on Sky he'd be rightly mocked, if he did it every single week he'd eventually be sacked. Jonny Nelson does it for every big fight and nobody says a thing. He's apparently being paid to be an analyst.

When Crolla fights Lomachenko I'm sure Sky will have the Salido fight on loop and we'll hear Jonny Nelson saying Crolla can rough Loma up and win a close fight. You couldn't make it up.

I agree its gone to far and hard to watch . May not go down well here but i wasnt really impressed by Usyk. He would be murdered at heavyweight.

yourdeadwright · 12-11-2018 11:08am

Morrison J wrote: »

I've just sick of the A-side always getting the benefit of any doubt on the cards every single time. There isn't an even playing field on Matchroom shows and I reckon it goes far beyond what nationality the judges are.

It's not only Matchroom either to be fair but they are particularly bad. Usyk was actually massively balls-y agreeing to fight in the UK given he probably needed a KO to win and he's not a renowned puncher. Shows how confident he was that he's levels above Bellew I suppose.

I wouldn't really worry about the Sky hype job its always been like that, The actually judges aren't swayed by it so it makes no odds,
Bellew was up on the cards but it was his last ever fight so of course he was going to give it everything in the beginning and once the early burst died down Usyk was going to be in total control,
Bellew started very well but never looked like he would win the fight he put way to much into the first few rounds and could never keep it up,

Anyone with there own mind know that Sky think boxing does not exist outside Matchroom ,just ignore the hype and think for yourself
Remember the fawning over AJ beating Wlad a man who's aura was taking 2 years previous by Fury they pretended it never happened to suit there narrative,

yourdeadwright · 12-11-2018 11:12am

Sweet.Science wrote: »

I agree its gone to far and hard to watch . May not go down well here but i wasnt really impressed by Usyk. He would be murdered at heavyweight.

I think people under estimate how much Bellew put into them early rounds he boxed the best he probably ever has in his life and still didn't really trouble Usyk yes he won rounds but he needed to put a dent in Usyk as he was never going to keep that pace up,

Usyk know this and waited for his moment and got the job done, I was impressed, I think its unfair to expect anyone to just blow Bellew away in his final fight, hes to tuff for that ,

I would worry about Usyk at heavy weight cause one think he just will never have is the size, The top dogs there just to big for him,

normanoffside · 12-11-2018 4:13pm

FTA69 wrote: »

I agree with Walsh and I hate to say it Norman but they'll probably have enough wiggle room to blackguard their way out of it.

As suspected they couldn't pay out on TKO as the result was down officially as a KO.
I have collected my winnings on RDs 7-12 which has made me a profit anyway.
If the results is changed from KO to TKO I can come back to caim the other part of the bet.

To be honest i can see it from PP's point of view. They have already paid out on KO bets and are just going off the official result.

Basically i need to get Boxrec to change the result!

paul64 · 12-11-2018 4:18pm

normanoffside wrote: »

As suspected they couldn't pay out on TKO as the result was down officially as a KO.
I have collected my winnings on RDs 7-12 which has made me a profit anyway.
If the results is changed from KO to TKO I can come back to caim the other part of the bet.

To be honest i can see it from PP's point of view. They have already paid out on KO bets and are just going off the official result.

Basically i need to get Boxrec to change the result!

Its down on boxrec as a TKO

normanoffside · 12-11-2018 4:43pm

paul64 wrote: »

Its down on boxrec as a TKO

Really? It’s just been changes then.
It was down as a KO at lunchtime

Ultimate Seduction · 12-11-2018 5:34pm

If a fighter gets put to sleep, where the referee doesn't even start a count, just waves it off, that's a tko and not a KO?

normanoffside · 12-11-2018 5:37pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

If a fighter gets put to sleep, where the referee doesn't even start a count, just waves it off, that's a tko and not a KO?

No, that’s a KO. The Ref has to stop it sometimes when it’s clear the fighter won’t get up for safety reasons. For example the fighter needs urgent medical attention

In this case Bellew was getting up and the Ref called it off at 7. Perfectly reasonable thing for the Ref to do but that’s a TKO

normanoffside · 12-11-2018 9:49pm

Morrison J wrote: »

When Crolla fights Lomachenko I'm sure Sky will have the Salido fight on loop and we'll hear Jonny Nelson saying Crolla can rough Loma up and win a close fight. You couldn't make it up.

https://twitter.com/CompanyJohnny/status/1061383432100556807

walshb · 12-11-2018 10:01pm

Crolla being a top rated mandatory for any world belt is all that is wrong about professional boxing..

boxer.fan · 12-11-2018 10:19pm

I like Crolla, he's been decent watching over the years. Is Johnny Nelson a gombeen or is that a windup? Lomachenko would win with the jab alone.

Johner · 13-11-2018 1:06pm

Anyway, a fine career from Bellew and great that he is walking away now.

British, Commonwealth, European and World Champion along with making enough money in his last few fights to be financially secure for the future. I didn't like him at the start of his career but he grew on me and never backed down from a challenge. Happy retirement to the Bomber.

normanoffside · 13-11-2018 1:49pm

boxer.fan wrote: »

I like Crolla, he's been decent watching over the years. Is Johnny Nelson a gombeen or is that a windup? Lomachenko would win with the jab alone.

That’s a piss take twitter account to be fair but it’s not far from reality.

walshb · 13-11-2018 2:48pm

Johner wrote: »

Anyway, a fine career from Bellew and great that he is walking away now.

I wouldn't be too sure here......

Going out on a KO loss may not suit him....

weemcd · 14-11-2018 9:51am

walshb wrote: »

I wouldn't be too sure here......

Going out on a KO loss may not suit him....

With that wife of his at home, any wonder he doesn't want to retire...

anthonyjmaher · 14-11-2018 7:29pm

walshb wrote: »

I wouldn't be too sure here...... Going out on a KO loss may not suit him....

Yep this was the first thing I thought about when I heard him the presser afterwards. No way is he gonna want that to be his last moment on the big stage. There is the worry that he becomes another one of those boxers who just cant say it's the end. And not that I blame him on that, it must be very difficult to just say I'm finished, particularly when there is no injury preventing him from continuing. Well apart from the injury that his wife will give him if he tells her that he is gonna take another fight.

Johner · 14-11-2018 7:58pm

It's hard to tell with boxers when they retire but I can't see Bellew ever fighting again.

normanoffside · 14-11-2018 8:37pm

megadodge wrote: »

It was a TKO. The timekeeper reached "7" and the ref waved it off as Bellew was rising. I just double checked it on Youtube.

Boxrec have it wrong at the moment, but I expect them to correct that, as they take that sort of thing seriously

If a bookie is trying to stiff you, keep at them. Don't let them get away with it.

FTA69 wrote: »

I agree with Walsh and I hate to say it Norman but they'll probably have enough wiggle room to blackguard their way out of it.

Guys, just to report, thanks to me being a right pain in the Bollox I finally got fully paid out on the TKO bet.

Lesson for all, just complain,complain, complain

megadodge · 14-11-2018 9:30pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Guys, just to report, thanks to me being a right pain in the Bollox I finally got fully paid out on the TKO bet.

Lesson for all, just complain,complain, complain

Delighted to hear that.

Well done.

normanoffside · 14-11-2018 9:33pm

megadodge wrote: »

Delighted to hear that.

Well done.

Cheers mega, I owe you a pint.
The clincher was that Paddy's own boxing betting rules pointed out that a KO was when a boxer failed to make it to his feet after a 10 count.
So when i pointed out that there was no 10 count they hadn't a leg to stand on

That coupled with getting boxrec to change the result swung it in my favour but I probably would have given up on it on Sunday except for your advice so thanks again.

SHOVELLER · 16-11-2018 3:56pm

Morrison J wrote: »

I just think theres a line they don't cross with football that they have no problem crossing with the boxing. Picking Bellew to beat Usyk and saying he's the better boxer etc is like picking Cardiff to beat Man City and saying Cardiff are the better team. If Gary Neville said that on Sky he'd be rightly mocked, if he did it every single week he'd eventually be sacked. Jonny Nelson does it for every big fight and nobody says a thing. He's apparently being paid to be an analyst.

When Crolla fights Lomachenko I'm sure Sky will have the Salido fight on loop and we'll hear Jonny Nelson saying Crolla can rough Loma up and win a close fight. You couldn't make it up.

The line they cross is saying their league is the best in the world and the evidence is that it is clearly not. Anyway sky is what sky is and thankfully here I dont have to listen to their propaganda.

Form reading here it appears that Nelson and Froch are frequent spoofers on commentary. As former World Champions one would assume that they would be pretty knowledgeable about the sport.

Anyone think they are playing the sky game or telling it as they honestly see it?

yourdeadwright · 16-11-2018 4:20pm

SHOVELLER wrote: »

The line they cross is saying their league is the best in the world and the evidence is that it is clearly not. Anyway sky is what sky is and thankfully here I dont have to listen to their propaganda.

Form reading here it appears that Nelson and Froch are frequent spoofers on commentary. As former World Champions one would assume that they would be pretty knowledgeable about the sport.

Anyone think they are playing the sky game or telling it as they honestly see it?

Playing the sky game .

Sure you just have to listen to Adam Smith when Bellew was ko'd he said something along the lines of Bellew is ko'd with a big shot "out of the blue "

Pualie Malignaggi pulled him up on it straight away ands said I have to disagree its been coming for 2 rounds,

Even in the 3rd (Maybe 4th) round Paulie said to Adam I know we want him to win but you have to stop trying to give Bellew rounds he hasn't won ,
It was in response to Bellew landing one good shot and Smith saying he had won the round,

Frank Bullitt · 16-11-2018 6:07pm

If this is the last we see of Bellew, I will forever be a fan of his for ending Hayes career.

He is in my top 10 for that alone.

boxer.fan · 16-11-2018 10:04pm

Gintonious wrote: »

If this is the last we see of Bellew, I will forever be a fan of his for ending Hayes career.

He is in my top 10 for that alone.

Top ten British?

yourdeadwright · 19-11-2018 12:13pm

Gintonious wrote: »

If this is the last we see of Bellew, I will forever be a fan of his for ending Hayes career.

He is in my top 10 for that alone.

Hayes career was over well before he fought Bellew ,

Frank Bullitt · 20-11-2018 6:06pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Hayes career was over well before he fought Bellew ,

Thats true, was just nice seeing him shut up and flattened.

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