How to rid the world of protesters ?

The Rape of Lucretia · 17-11-2018 5:17pm #1

I am sick of them. Protests about everything these days. By people so deluded they think they are making a difference. Just go home. Snowflakes are a serious part of the problem, and seem to be the fuel on the fire in the proliferation over the last decade or so.

The price of houses (cop on, and accept the fact that you cannot afford the standard and location of house that you think you are entitled to folks), insurance premiums, judges opinions on court evidence, the environment (REALLY want to do something for it ? Cancel the family holiday flight next year and stay at home), etc, etc.

And the same nonsense every weekend in other modern countries: regretting a decision you made in a referendum (you should have discussed the issue and voted as responsible adults the first time), upset at a rise in fuel prices and the elimination of polluting cars from cities (yet, next weekend you will probably be out marching for clean air), the implementation of migrant policies (by a government you only just elected to do just that), the appointment of a judge (by a President you elected and a legislature you elected to approve them).

Stop with the 'witty' slogans, roll up your flags, wash the paint off your faces and stop looking like junior infants. You live in democratic countries and have various forms of suffrage to determine the governance of your country. Use it correctly, and cut out the group hug nonsense that if you dont like something about the world, if you can just get enough people to walk down a street together or block a bridge, the problem will be cured.
Am fed up with the lot of you.

How do we rid the world of this scourge ? I am almost torn between organising a march or a rally.

amcalester · 17-11-2018 5:18pm

Start a protest.

17-11-2018 5:18pm

Do you really want a world where the "powers that be" are in total control and beyond reproach, and no one is allowed to say anything to the contrary!
Go to North Korea, you'll feel right at home there.

super_furry · 17-11-2018 5:20pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

How do we rid the world of this scourge ? I am almost torn between organising a march or a rally.

Ahh come on. And you were doing so well up until then too.

Vincent Vega · 17-11-2018 5:23pm

Lost me at 'Snowflakes'.

eviltwin · 17-11-2018 5:26pm

I'm glad I live in a country where people can go out and protest. I've marched for SSM and abortion rights, if everyone on those marches over the years did nothing we'd still be waiting for the laws to change. I don't always agree with every march but defend the right of those involved to do it and it's great to see people engage with issues that matter to them.

Greyfox · 17-11-2018 5:27pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I am sick of them. Protests about everything these days. By people so deluded they think they are making a difference. Just go home. Snowflakes are a serious part of the problem, and seem to be the fuel on the fire in the proliferation over the last decade or so.

The price of houses (cop on, and accept the fact that you cannot afford the standard and location of house that you think you are entitled to folks), insurance premiums, judges opinions on court evidence..

The only thing I can conclude here is you want to go back to Medievil times when peasants and women had no rights. The fact is some protests have worked and have made a big difference. Maybe you should read up on what life is like in North Korea

bodhrandude · 17-11-2018 5:28pm

A protest about protesters, interesting.

Gimme A Pound · 17-11-2018 5:29pm

People should know better than to take TROL's bait.

kneemos · 17-11-2018 5:30pm

What about the Dublin city marathon?

Won't mention the women's 10k as that would be sexist

Gimme A Pound · 17-11-2018 5:31pm

kneemos wrote: »

What about the Dublin city marathon?

Won't mention the women's 10k as that would be sexist

It's not like either is a protest.

17-11-2018 5:31pm

Marie Noisy Volleyball wrote: »

People should know better than to take TROL's bait.

Troll or no troll, it's an interesting topic.

Noveight · 17-11-2018 5:32pm

Good concept and well thought out. A bit obvious, but thoroughly decent.

6.5/10.

dulpit · 17-11-2018 5:33pm

Vincent Vega wrote: »

Lost me at 'Snowflakes'.

This. Literally stopped reading the second I saw this.

The Rape of Lucretia · 17-11-2018 5:33pm

amcalester wrote: »

Start a protest.

Yeh. My post came with that joke built in.

Am also considering posting about it on an internet forum. At least I am doing my bit.

17-11-2018 5:35pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you really want a world where the "powers that be" are in total control and beyond reproach, and no one is allowed to say anything to the contrary!
Go to North Korea, you'll feel right at home there.

nope

but let them stay the fcuk off the roads when having their morally superior tantrums

kneemos · 17-11-2018 5:35pm

Marie Noisy Volleyball wrote: »

It's not like either is a protest.

I know but they're effectively the same thing.

Gimme A Pound · 17-11-2018 5:37pm

kneemos wrote: »

I know but they're effectively the same thing.

No they're not!

maxwell smart · 17-11-2018 5:37pm

Protest marches do nothing except screw up the traffic and get people annoyed about what the protesters are marching about, which in turn upsets the protesters that those not protesting don't believe in that topic getting them angry about non protesters.

Best to just stay in bed.

super_furry · 17-11-2018 5:38pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Yeh. My post came with that joke built in.

Am also considering posting about it on an internet forum. At least I am doing my bit.

You don't even have a hashtag. You're never going to change anything without a hashtag.

TheValeyard · 17-11-2018 5:39pm

corner of hells · 17-11-2018 5:45pm

Artillery , I think Ghadaffi used it on protestors , ok it didn't work out well in the end for him ,but the idea was good.

kneemos · 17-11-2018 5:45pm

Marie Noisy Volleyball wrote: »

No they're not!

A marathon has the same colour,size,shape and smell as a protest March.
Only difference is one moves faster.

dxhound2005 · 17-11-2018 5:57pm

The people who go on protests would run a mile at the idea of running a marathon.

super_furry · 17-11-2018 6:04pm

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The people who go on protests would run a mile at the idea of running a marathon.

So just tell them to run a marathon 25 times.

Spleerbun · 17-11-2018 6:21pm

Fully agree about the marathons. Either go to a park or do it in the middle of the night or something, rather than inconvenience everyone else on their bank holiday weekend

JohnnyFlash · 17-11-2018 6:21pm

Communism was always an effective form of government for quelling protest.

Beanntraigheach · 17-11-2018 7:15pm

What do we want!?
No more protests!
When do we want it!?
Now!

Gatling · 17-11-2018 7:18pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Communism was always an effective form of government for quelling protest.

Tanks and Siberian work camps worker well until the fall of the Berlin wall,

Stephen15 · 18-11-2018 3:06am

You have the democratic right to protest according the left if you're protesting about gender issues, housing issues, discrimination issues, abortion issues etc. But it's not at all okay if you want to protest against immigration issues, refugee issues or Islam issues as you're a sick racist nazi if you do that.

Graces7 · 18-11-2018 8:30am

Deleted User wrote: »

nope

but let them stay the fcuk off the roads when having their morally superior tantrums

Indeed yes. and I would thin k a large proportion have no idea what the protest is about, just joining in for the ....fun..

18-11-2018 8:39am

dulpit wrote: »

This. Literally stopped reading the second I saw this.

No, you didn’t.

You continued reading, then quoted a comment as part of your own reply.

So you didn’t ‘literally’ stop reading the ‘second I saw this’.

Brian? · 18-11-2018 8:48am

Stephen15 wrote: »

You have the democratic right to protest according the left if you're protesting about gender issues, housing issues, discrimination issues, abortion issues etc. But it's not at all okay if you want to protest against immigration issues, refugee issues or Islam issues as you're a sick racist nazi if you do that.

Here’s a challenge: organise an anti immigration, anti Islam or anti refugee protest. See who shows up.

Or you can save yourself the time and see who shows up at previous protests of this type. Notice anything about them?

Grayson · 18-11-2018 9:40am

Stephen15 wrote: »

You have the democratic right to protest according the left if you're protesting about gender issues, housing issues, discrimination issues, abortion issues etc. But it's not at all okay if you want to protest against immigration issues, refugee issues or Islam issues as you're a sick racist nazi if you do that.

You're a sick racist nazi if your beliefs align with what the nazi's would want. Not for protesting.

I'd say that someone was a hardline communist if their beliefs align with the beliefs aligned with Stalin's. It's your beliefs that get you those labels, not the fact that you protest.

btw, you're fully allowed to organise a protest. As someone already said, go ahead and do it. See how many people turn up. Maybe it'll be better than this.

https://www.lbc.co.uk/hot-topics/brexit/ukip-meps-brexit-protest-fails-big-crowds/

Timberrrrrrrr · 18-11-2018 9:43am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

nope

but let them stay the fcuk off the roads when having their morally superior tantrums

Did you pay your water tax this year?... oh wait!

18-11-2018 10:50am

I’m glad that I live in a society where protests, peaceful or not, are allowed. What I would like to see are people who act the boll**, as seen at some water meter protests, dealt with immediately. Marching is one thing but the behavior of some towards innocent workers was unacceptable.

The Rape of Lucretia · 18-11-2018 11:09am

Oh, I am glad to and want to live in a country that has no restrictions on protests too.
My issue is not with that at all.

It is with the hair-trigger protest culture - todays protesters themselves - that has become less protest, more group whinge slash tantrum, combined with an infantile attitude that if they 'do something' (protesting is an expressing of unhappiness, it isnt really doing anything to solve a problem - but they like the illusion that it is) and express that dissatisfaction, then the problem will go away. Like a crying baby having the soother put into its mouth.

It used to be an undergrad sorta thing, which was as much a chance to hang out together, drink, and flirt with the opposite sex (can I even say that these days, or does it date me?), as a lets-change-society idealism.
Now it seems grown adults are protesting in the same manner, for all manner of topics. When they should actually be the responsible ones truly trying to solve the issues, not standing around holding up banners.

Protests are a legitimate free society, democratic lever. But to be used judiciously. And not just as an end in themselves for every problem out there. That just devalues protesting itself.

Graces7 · 18-11-2018 11:16am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Oh, I am glad to and want to live in a country that has no restrictions on protests too.
My issue is not with that at all.

It is with the hair-trigger protest culture - todays protesters themselves - that has become less protest, more group whinge slash tantrum, combined with an infantile attitude that if they 'do something' (protesting is an expressing of unhappiness, it isnt really doing anything to solve a problem - but they like the illusion that it is) and express that dissatisfaction, then the problem will go away. Like a crying baby having the soother put into its mouth.

It used to be an undergrad sorta thing, which was as much a chance to hang out together, drink, and flirt with the opposite sex (can I even say that these days, or does it date me?), as a lets-change-society idealism.
Now it seems grown adults are protesting in the same manner, for all manner of topics. When they should actually be the responsible ones truly trying to solve the issues, not standing around holding up banners.

Protests are a legitimate free society, democratic lever. But to be used judiciously. And not just as an end in themselves for every problem out there. That just devalues protesting itself.

and not forgetting the "rent a crowd" lot who just turn up regardless.... we saw that here with the Shell to Sea protests. It invalidates the cause.

stateofflux · 18-11-2018 11:36am

En masse protesting is still the most effective way to influence government policy.

The more people protesting the more scared ministers get about re-election.

The Rape of Lucretia · 18-11-2018 11:40am

stateofflux wrote: »

En masse protesting is still the most effective way to influence government policy.

I would say voting is more effective.

Peatys · 18-11-2018 11:42am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Do you really want a world where the "powers that be" are in total control and beyond reproach, and no one is allowed to say anything to the contrary!
Go to North Korea, you'll feel right at home there.

Or After Hours

coolbeans · 18-11-2018 11:43am

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I am sick of them. Protests about everything these days. By people so deluded they think they are making a difference. Just go home. Snowflakes are a serious part of the problem, and seem to be the fuel on the fire in the proliferation over the last decade or so.

The price of houses (cop on, and accept the fact that you cannot afford the standard and location of house that you think you are entitled to folks), insurance premiums, judges opinions on court evidence, the environment (REALLY want to do something for it ? Cancel the family holiday flight next year and stay at home), etc, etc.

And the same nonsense every weekend in other modern countries: regretting a decision you made in a referendum (you should have discussed the issue and voted as responsible adults the first time), upset at a rise in fuel prices and the elimination of polluting cars from cities (yet, next weekend you will probably be out marching for clean air), the implementation of migrant policies (by a government you only just elected to do just that), the appointment of a judge (by a President you elected and a legislature you elected to approve them).

Stop with the 'witty' slogans, roll up your flags, wash the paint off your faces and stop looking like junior infants. You live in democratic countries and have various forms of suffrage to determine the governance of your country. Use it correctly, and cut out the group hug nonsense that if you dont like something about the world, if you can just get enough people to walk down a street together or block a bridge, the problem will be cured.
Am fed up with the lot of you.

How do we rid the world of this scourge ? I am almost torn between organising a march or a rally.

You must have very little to do with yourself Rape dear.

Thargor · 18-11-2018 12:03pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I am sick of them. Protests about everything these days. By people so deluded they think they are making a difference. Just go home. Snowflakes are a serious part of the problem, and seem to be the fuel on the fire in the proliferation over the last decade or so.

The price of houses (cop on, and accept the fact that you cannot afford the standard and location of house that you think you are entitled to folks), insurance premiums, judges opinions on court evidence, the environment (REALLY want to do something for it ? Cancel the family holiday flight next year and stay at home), etc, etc.

And the same nonsense every weekend in other modern countries: regretting a decision you made in a referendum (you should have discussed the issue and voted as responsible adults the first time), upset at a rise in fuel prices and the elimination of polluting cars from cities (yet, next weekend you will probably be out marching for clean air), the implementation of migrant policies (by a government you only just elected to do just that), the appointment of a judge (by a President you elected and a legislature you elected to approve them).

Stop with the 'witty' slogans, roll up your flags, wash the paint off your faces and stop looking like junior infants. You live in democratic countries and have various forms of suffrage to determine the governance of your country. Use it correctly, and cut out the group hug nonsense that if you dont like something about the world, if you can just get enough people to walk down a street together or block a bridge, the problem will be cured.
Am fed up with the lot of you.

How do we rid the world of this scourge ? I am almost torn between organising a march or a rally.

Does anyone else cringe when they see this username? What kind of weirdo sees a name like that and thinks it would make a good name for a forum account?

batgoat · 18-11-2018 12:03pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Oh, I am glad to and want to live in a country that has no restrictions on protests too.
My issue is not with that at all.

It is with the hair-trigger protest culture - todays protesters themselves - that has become less protest, more group whinge slash tantrum, combined with an infantile attitude that if they 'do something' (protesting is an expressing of unhappiness, it isnt really doing anything to solve a problem - but they like the illusion that it is) and express that dissatisfaction, then the problem will go away. Like a crying baby having the soother put into its mouth.

It used to be an undergrad sorta thing, which was as much a chance to hang out together, drink, and flirt with the opposite sex (can I even say that these days, or does it date me?), as a lets-change-society idealism.
Now it seems grown adults are protesting in the same manner, for all manner of topics. When they should actually be the responsible ones truly trying to solve the issues, not standing around holding up banners.

Protests are a legitimate free society, democratic lever. But to be used judiciously. And not just as an end in themselves for every problem out there. That just devalues protesting itself.

As pointed out, large scale marches on the 8th and ssm helped both referendums to pass as they made it a front line issue. You're also assuming that adults who are protesting aren't making additional efforts outside of that to try to improve the situation... They do.

_Brian · 18-11-2018 12:10pm

Thargor wrote: »

Does anyone else cringe when they see this username? What kind of weirdo sees a name like that and thinks it would make a good name for a forum account?

You see it worked, it got a reaction from you, exactly what these people want. Better to ignore such juvenile crap and pass it bye.

The thread is a joke, protesting is an important part of any democracy, people faught and died so we would have the right to protest, it’s so take for granted that idiots start posts against it.

JohnnyFlash · 18-11-2018 12:51pm

I’d say Paul Murphy gets sexually aroused at the thought of a good protest.

s7ryf3925pivug · 18-11-2018 1:22pm

Protests are not enough when it comes to climate change. Changing personal consumption habits is definitely not enough. We are facing impending cataclysm and seem too passive to try to stop it.

Globally, too many of the elite - the people with real access to power - have their fortunes intertwined with environmentally destructive practices. This prevents sufficient change happening quickly enough.

Meanwhile even those among the elite whose interests lay elsewhere seem focused on adapting to disaster, not preventing it. They build huge mansionlike bunkers all over the world.

The only hope is if great numbers of people mobilize and and act as a group, focused specifically on the core issue of annihilation.

Hippie culture as we know it today hijacked the effective protest counterculture of the 60s. Angry active and successful protesters suffered violence from the state, then turned inwards on apathetic stuff like drugs and meditation. That's what we usually think of now when we think of activists from the sixties - and by extension the image of environmentalists today - **** talking people up their own asses. Not sharp articulate and angry people capable of achieving significant social change.

18-11-2018 1:34pm

Thargor wrote: »

Does anyone else cringe when they see this sickos username? What kind of weirdo sees a name like that and thinks it would make a good name for a forum account?

A one second google produced this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Lucretia

Thargor · 18-11-2018 2:07pm

Deleted User wrote: »

A one second google produced this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_Lucretia

I know what it is, just because it has a Wikipedia entry doesn't mean its not a completely repulsive thing to choose as a username.

cordy1969 · 18-11-2018 2:11pm

Ezra Abundant Doorknob wrote: »

Protests are not enough when it comes to climate change. Changing personal consumption habits is definitely not enough. We are facing impending cataclysm and seem too passive to try to stop it.

Globally, too many of the elite - the people with real access to power - have their fortunes intertwined with environmentally destructive practices. This prevents sufficient change happening quickly enough.

Meanwhile even those among the elite whose interests lay elsewhere seem focused on adapting to disaster, not preventing it. They build huge mansionlike bunkers all over the world.

The only hope is if great numbers of people mobilize and and act as a group, focused specifically on the core issue of annihilation.

Hippie culture as we know it today hijacked the effective protest counterculture of the 60s. Angry active and successful protesters suffered violence from the state, then turned inwards on apathetic stuff like drugs and meditation. That's what we usually think of now when we think of activists from the sixties - and by extension the image of environmentalists today - **** talking people up their own asses. Not sharp articulate and angry people capable of achieving significant social change.

And in 100 years when history looks back, we will be looked upon as idiots who fell for the world's greatest con.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 18-11-2018 2:44pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

I would say voting is more effective.

Really? How do you explain the fall of the Berlin Wall and East European communism then?

If you vote for a party and said party does not get in, or does an about turn and decides not to implement the policy you based your vote on, what then? Happily sit back and endure for another five years?

It's commonly - and correctly - said that if voting changed anything, we wouldn't be allowed to do it.

How to rid the world of protesters ?

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