39 people found dead in trailer in UK

recedite · 08-11-2019 2:01pm

Ah shur, its easy to confuse the two. Flat tyre, bunch of migrants in the back...

biko · 08-11-2019 2:28pm

1641 wrote: »

Drug users and addicts are responsible for the Kinahans and similar violent drug gangs? No demand, no drug supply.

Is there no-one in your universe who isn't a victim?

fryup · 08-11-2019 6:22pm

is the Irish Road Haulage Association run by shinners??

look at the letters that are highlighted on their logo

contrary_devil · 08-11-2019 6:34pm

fryup wrote: »

is the Irish Road Haulage Association run by shinners??

look at the letters that are highlighted on their logo

Well spotted

As many times as I have seen that I never thought of it. I don't know about being run by shinners but my opinion of them might get me in a lot of bother and wouldn't be pc or snowflake friendly :eek:

fryup · 08-11-2019 6:36pm

^^^^^^^^^^^

go on, speak your mind...no one's going to hurt you on the internet

celt262 · 12-11-2019 9:48pm

https://www.northernsound.ie/cab-searches-five-locations-cavan-monaghan-linked-embattled-hauliers/

12-11-2019 11:25pm

biko wrote: »

Is there no-one in your universe who isn't a victim?

Hold on, Cowboy! I was trying to clarify that it is often isn't as simple as victims and perpetrators. Such as you making people traffickers the victims of illegal migrants. But as if you didn't know that!

1641 wrote: »

Do traffickers in remote and/or impoverished third world countries lure the desperate and unsuspecting with promises of great riches in western countries (with some convenient testimonials, etc) ?
Sure, the consumer, the drug user, the migrant, etc. have some role in the respective areas. But they are not primarily responsible, in my opinion.

biko wrote: »

I disagree, the migrants are the initiators.
With no demand, no traffickers.

Quantum Erasure · 25-11-2019 11:21am

just on the BBC website now

Lorry driver Mo Robinson, accused over deaths of 39 migrants in Essex, admits plotting to assist illegal immigration

This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50545658

Loafing Oaf · 25-11-2019 11:35am

fryup wrote: »

is the Irish Road Haulage Association run by shinners??

Well their president certainly isn't:eek:

Local_Chap · 25-11-2019 12:08pm

He has pleaded guilty this morning for plotting to assist illegal immigration.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/essex-lorry-deaths-maurice-robinson-mo-guilty-trafficking-immigration-latest-a9216561.html

Sharp MZ700 · 25-11-2019 12:11pm

Sounds like he's after doing a deal.

NIMAN · 25-11-2019 12:12pm

Sharp MZ700 wrote: »

Sounds like he's after doing a deal.

Or accepted the inevitable.

Pleading guilty will shorten the sentence he's going to get.

And all those people who said he was a great guy, and wouldn't be capable of this. Just goes to show.......

tayto lover · 25-11-2019 12:24pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Or accepted the inevitable.

Pleading guilty will shorten the sentence he's going to get.

And all those people who said he was a great guy, and wouldn't be capable of this. Just goes to show.......

Greed. Pure and simple. Handy money turns them all
Same as the Sean Quinn thing.

partyguinness · 25-11-2019 12:32pm

As I and many others suspected, he knew damn well what was going on and was part of it. When he pulled over the truck just down the road like fcuk it was to check the tyres- he had a very very bad feeling when he realised the container landed sealed and 'on'.

Just another greedy cowboy (he even has the hat) and now with blood on his hands.

25-11-2019 12:34pm

During the hearing before Mr Justice Edis, he admitted conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration between 1 May, 2018 and 24 October, 2019.

How many people has he smuggled in?

partyguinness · 25-11-2019 12:43pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Or accepted the inevitable.

Pleading guilty will shorten the sentence he's going to get.

And all those people who said he was a great guy, and wouldn't be capable of this. Just goes to show.......

He is going to get a good long sentence regardless- make an example of him. They are far more liberal with the long sentences over here than the wishy washy sentences they hand out in Ireland.

partyguinness · 25-11-2019 12:44pm

Sharp MZ700 wrote: »

Sounds like he's after doing a deal.

Nah...he was caught red handed and is going to jail for a very long time.

In fact he may be safer in jail.

Sinbad_NI · 25-11-2019 2:08pm

Hopefully he spills the beans and takes the rest down as well.
He didn't do it alone.

All involved deserve lengthy sentences.

FishOnABike · 25-11-2019 2:34pm

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

How many people has he smuggled in?

How many pickups has he done from channel ports x how many per pickup. 39 is probably only the tip of a very big iceberg.

James Brown · 25-11-2019 3:41pm

Sinbad_NI wrote: »

Hopefully he spills the beans and takes the rest down as well.
He didn't do it alone.

All involved deserve lengthy sentences.

There's defo a Loyalist ex-terrorist linkage. I'd say he'll be clever enough to say nothing.

Sinbad_NI · 25-11-2019 3:55pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

There's defo a Loyalist ex-terrorist linkage. I'd say he'll be clever enough to say nothing.

Hadn't picked up on that. Where's the source for that, haven't been following it too closely TBH, apologies for my laziness.
Whoever is the brains behind it will be nice people to cross in any case.

Anyway still hope he's stupid enough to cough up the info. Guess depends on what sort of deal he's made.

James Brown · 25-11-2019 6:06pm

Sinbad_NI wrote: »

Hadn't picked up on that. Where's the source for that, haven't been following it too closely TBH, apologies for my laziness.
Whoever is the brains behind it will be nice people to cross in any case.

Anyway still hope he's stupid enough to cough up the info. Guess depends on what sort of deal he's made.

Theres likely always links to one side or the other in the 'ex' category.

Alleged "loyalist" drug-smuggling link to tragic 39 lorry deaths

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/thenorth/loyalist-drug-smuggling-lorry

It's amusing that he's always mentioned as 'Irishman'. He is Irish of course, but I'd have been expecting a few pro British folk to make a correction.

goat2 · 25-11-2019 7:15pm

Sinbad_NI wrote: »

Hopefully he spills the beans and takes the rest down as well.
He didn't do it alone.

All involved deserve lengthy sentences.

May be he is afraid to give up the lot

Esse85 · 25-11-2019 7:22pm

SusieBlue wrote: »

I feel horrifically sad for that poor driver, he must be absolutely distraught.
Shame on the media that named him and plastered his face all over their publications without a shred of evidence. I hope he takes them to the cleaners and makes a fortune off them for what they have done to him.
Its just disgraceful that they could potentially ruin his reputation forever based on so little. People have taken their lives over far less (and I don't mean that in an insulting/dismissive way), I hope he's surrounded by supportive and helpful family & friends as he tries to come to terms with this media circus he unwittingly got caught up in.

What a ridiculous post of many made in here about the driver, offering opinions like this based on fresh air and without knowing the details.

Loafing Oaf · 25-11-2019 7:49pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Theres likely always links to one side or the other in the 'ex' category.

Using the same route as loyalist drug smugglers? Bit tenuous to say there's 'defo' a loyalist paramilitary connection.

If the Hughes brothers were the prime movers behind this plot, I'd be astonished if guys from their background were working in any orchestrated way with loyalist groups. They certainly wouldn't be welcome back in the Armagh/Monaghan border area if that came out...

fryup · 25-11-2019 7:56pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

If the Hughes brothers were the prime movers behind this plot, I'd be astonished if guys from their background were working in any orchestrated way with loyalist groups. They certainly wouldn't be welcome back in the Armagh/Monaghan border area if that came out...

depends which tribe they come from :cool:

Galwayguy35 · 25-11-2019 8:09pm

There's a few people eating humble pie over on his IG account.

They never thought he was guilty at all.

Sinbad_NI · 25-11-2019 8:34pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Theres likely always links to one side or the other in the 'ex' category.

It's amusing that he's always mentioned as 'Irishman'. He is Irish of course, but I'd have been expecting a few pro British folk to make a correction.

Cheers for the link.

ArnoldJRimmer · 25-11-2019 8:39pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There's a few people eating humble pie over on his IG account.

They never thought he was guilty at all.

But how were people meant to know? I imagine if he was trusted with an operation like this, he was likely quite discreet about it.

Even though I didn't know at the time it happened whether he was guilty or not, I was and still am uncomfortable with how he was named as a suspect almost immediately. Even if there was a strong suspicion around him, the press should not be allowed that power

Galwayguy35 · 25-11-2019 8:50pm

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

But how were people meant to know? I imagine if he was trusted with an operation like this, he was likely quite discreet about it.

Even though I didn't know at the time it happened whether he was guilty or not, I was and still am uncomfortable with how he was named as a suspect almost immediately. Even if there was a strong suspicion around him, the press should not be allowed that power

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at first myself but after a few days it was becoming clear he was up to his eyeballs in it yet some people were still swearing blind he had nothing to do with it.

It wasn't the press that outed him the cops named him as a person of interest who was in for questioning.

nacho libre · 25-11-2019 9:00pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

There's a few people eating humble pie over on his IG account.

They never thought he was guilty at all.

I wonder would they be close friends of his.

ArnoldJRimmer · 25-11-2019 9:06pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at first myself but after a few days it was becoming clear he was up to his eyeballs in it yet some people were still swearing blind he had nothing to do with it.

It wasn't the press that outed him the cops named him as a person of interest who was in for questioning.

Well once he was charged, I don't know how anyone could have defended him, but up until then, I think its reasonable to think that he might be innocent. That said, there are always people who'll just stick with a side no matter what evidence is right before their eyes

Grand, the police should not be naming suspects either, its irresponsible, even if its allowed in the UK. The press then obviously had a field day with it

Now that he's admitting guilt, then they can knock themselves out

nacho libre · 25-11-2019 9:14pm

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

. That said, there are always people who'll just stick with a side no matter what evidence is right before their eyes

It's quite natural if you are close friends with someone, you'll, if you are a decent character, will want to believe the person you are close to is not capable of such things. Whereas to the outsider it's much easier to see the truth of the situation.

retalivity · 25-11-2019 9:25pm

Wasnt there a gofundme or something similar set up by his sister to help him out almost immediately after he was arrested?
Wonder what happened to that and the money donated...

contrary_devil · 26-11-2019 12:07am

Sharp MZ700 wrote: »

Sounds like he's after doing a deal.

NIMAN wrote: »

Or accepted the inevitable.

Pleading guilty will shorten the sentence he's going to get.

And all those people who said he was a great guy, and wouldn't be capable of this. Just goes to show.......

Could it be that it was a choice of
1 keeping gob shut, pleading guilty and taking jail time

or
2 sing like a canary and drop others in the proverbial with the result of a short life expectancy?

Option 1 could also include being looked after financially so that he comes out to a roof over his head and other things.

;);)

eagle eye · 26-11-2019 8:57am

retalivity wrote:

Wasnt there a gofundme or something similar set up by his sister to help him out almost immediately after he was arrested? Wonder what happened to that and the money donated...

Who cares what happens to the money? It's only fools that would give anything to a fund like that so early.

eagle eye · 26-11-2019 8:58am

contrary_devil wrote:

Option 1 could also include being looked after financially so that he comes out to a roof over his head and other things.

Or could simply be that he was told his family would be taken out if he gave up any info.

BENDYBINN · 26-11-2019 11:18am

ArnoldJRimmer wrote: »

Well once he was charged, I don't know how anyone could have defended him, but up until then, I think its reasonable to think that he might be innocent. That said, there are always people who'll just stick with a side no matter what evidence is right before their eyes

Grand, the police should not be naming suspects either, its irresponsible, even if its allowed in the UK. The press then obviously had a field day with it

Now that he's admitting guilt, then they can knock themselves out

Given that he stopped his truck in an area where immigrants had been seen running in the past and where travel documents had been dumped I had my suspicions........but then lm a real Sherlock Holmes............

pinkyeye · 26-11-2019 9:02pm

I did kind of felt sorry for the driver at first but didn't express it out loud because I did feel if the police had doubts that he was guilty they wouldn't have released his name.

Coupled with the fact that he was charged with murder within days and not even manslaughter they must have had some strong evidence.

volchitsa · 26-11-2019 10:24pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Or could simply be that he was told his family would be taken out if he gave up any info.

That's a risk you take when you work with illegal people traffickers I'd say. I don't think they're very nice people, as a rule. Specially not the sort that lock their human "cargo" into sealed containers.

CamelRider2k · 24-01-2020 12:46pm

A High Court judge has found there is nothing to "preclude" him from surrendering a Northern Irish man wanted in the UK to face multiple counts of manslaughter following the discovery of 39 dead Vietnamese nationals in a lorry trailer in Essex.

goat2 · 25-01-2020 9:06pm

On one of the news channels last night, it said that the driver was getting one thousand pounds per passenger on those trailers, , so a few hours run earned these people a fair bit of money

Spanish Eyes · 25-01-2020 9:08pm

I suppose it has all stopped now, and will never happen again forevermore.

Boggles · 25-01-2020 9:08pm

goat2 wrote: »

On one of the news channels last night, it said that the driver was getting one thousand pounds per passenger on those trailers, , so a few hours run earned these people a fair bit of money

40 k just for the driver?

No chance I reckon.

goat2 · 25-01-2020 9:17pm

Boggles wrote: »

40 k just for the driver?

No chance I reckon.

I thought it was a lot, but if those people are being charged five thousand each, then I could see the driver getting his share ,

Boggles · 25-01-2020 9:31pm

goat2 wrote: »

I thought it was a lot, but if those people are being charged five thousand each, then I could see the driver getting his share ,

Maybe it is, you would imagine it would have to be a fair lump of cash for the risk.

Still even if it is 40K this guy will spend at least 10 years in jail. 4 grand a year doesn't seem so good now.

KiKi III · 25-01-2020 9:33pm

Boggles wrote: »

Maybe it is, you would imagine it would have to be a fair lump of cash for the risk.

Still even if it is 40K this guy will spend at least 10 years in jail. 4 grand a year doesn't seem so good now.

Presumably any criminal assets will be seized so it’ll be €0/year

goat2 · 25-01-2020 9:36pm

Boggles wrote: »

Maybe it is, you would imagine it would have to be a fair lump of cash for the risk.

Still even if it is 40K this guy will spend at least 10 years in jail. 4 grand a year doesn't seem so good now.

I would not like to be in his place, it was all a big fast money making racket, and it is no harm it has been brought to an end, but it is terrible that people died for this to be found out, lapses in security must have gone on

Spanish Eyes · 25-01-2020 9:37pm

KiKi III wrote: »

Presumably any criminal assets will be seized so it’ll be €0/year

Not sure if he will be subject to CAB, being a UK/NI resident. But anyway no one should profit from crime.

When we look at the scrotes running round the Northside of Dublin and Drogheda at the moment, I don't see any confiscation of assets there. But maybe it is an ongoing thing that takes time.

The only way to get them is in the cash goolies.

Spanish Eyes · 25-01-2020 9:39pm

And another thing, one trafficker taken out, another will substitute surely.

Well that is the received wisdom regarding taking out the honchos in the drugs trade.

I dunno.

39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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