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39 people found dead in trailer in UK

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Ah shur, its easy to confuse the two. Flat tyre, bunch of migrants in the back...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    1641 wrote: »
    Drug users and addicts are responsible for the Kinahans and similar violent drug gangs? No demand, no drug supply.
    Is there no-one in your universe who isn't a victim?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    is the Irish Road Haulage Association run by shinners??

    look at the letters that are highlighted on their logo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭contrary_devil


    fryup wrote: »
    is the Irish Road Haulage Association run by shinners??

    look at the letters that are highlighted on their logo


    Well spotted :D As many times as I have seen that I never thought of it. I don't know about being run by shinners but my opinion of them might get me in a lot of bother and wouldn't be pc or snowflake friendly :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^^^

    go on, speak your mind...no one's going to hurt you on the internet


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,559 ✭✭✭celt262




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭1641


    biko wrote: »
    Is there no-one in your universe who isn't a victim?


    Hold on, Cowboy! I was trying to clarify that it is often isn't as simple as victims and perpetrators. Such as you making people traffickers the victims of illegal migrants. But as if you didn't know that!

    1641 wrote: »
    Do traffickers in remote and/or impoverished third world countries lure the desperate and unsuspecting with promises of great riches in western countries (with some convenient testimonials, etc) ?
    Sure, the consumer, the drug user, the migrant, etc. have some role in the respective areas. But they are not primarily responsible, in my opinion.
    biko wrote: »
    I disagree, the migrants are the initiators.
    With no demand, no traffickers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,741 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    just on the BBC website now

    Lorry driver Mo Robinson, accused over deaths of 39 migrants in Essex, admits plotting to assist illegal immigration

    This breaking news story is being updated and more details will be published shortly. Please refresh the page for the fullest version.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-50545658


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,803 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    fryup wrote: »
    is the Irish Road Haulage Association run by shinners??

    Well their president certainly isn't:eek:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 573 ✭✭✭Local_Chap




  • Registered Users Posts: 673 ✭✭✭Sharp MZ700


    Sounds like he's after doing a deal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,986 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Sounds like he's after doing a deal.

    Or accepted the inevitable.

    Pleading guilty will shorten the sentence he's going to get.

    And all those people who said he was a great guy, and wouldn't be capable of this. Just goes to show.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,206 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Or accepted the inevitable.

    Pleading guilty will shorten the sentence he's going to get.

    And all those people who said he was a great guy, and wouldn't be capable of this. Just goes to show.......

    Greed. Pure and simple. Handy money turns them all
    Same as the Sean Quinn thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    As I and many others suspected, he knew damn well what was going on and was part of it. When he pulled over the truck just down the road like fcuk it was to check the tyres- he had a very very bad feeling when he realised the container landed sealed and 'on'.

    Just another greedy cowboy (he even has the hat) and now with blood on his hands.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    During the hearing before Mr Justice Edis, he admitted conspiracy to assist unlawful immigration between 1 May, 2018 and 24 October, 2019.

    How many people has he smuggled in?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    NIMAN wrote: »
    Or accepted the inevitable.

    Pleading guilty will shorten the sentence he's going to get.

    And all those people who said he was a great guy, and wouldn't be capable of this. Just goes to show.......


    He is going to get a good long sentence regardless- make an example of him. They are far more liberal with the long sentences over here than the wishy washy sentences they hand out in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Sounds like he's after doing a deal.


    Nah...he was caught red handed and is going to jail for a very long time.


    In fact he may be safer in jail.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Sinbad_NI


    Hopefully he spills the beans and takes the rest down as well.
    He didn't do it alone.

    All involved deserve lengthy sentences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,548 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    How many people has he smuggled in?

    How many pickups has he done from channel ports x how many per pickup. 39 is probably only the tip of a very big iceberg.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Sinbad_NI wrote: »
    Hopefully he spills the beans and takes the rest down as well.
    He didn't do it alone.

    All involved deserve lengthy sentences.

    There's defo a Loyalist ex-terrorist linkage. I'd say he'll be clever enough to say nothing.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Sinbad_NI


    There's defo a Loyalist ex-terrorist linkage. I'd say he'll be clever enough to say nothing.

    Hadn't picked up on that. Where's the source for that, haven't been following it too closely TBH, apologies for my laziness.
    Whoever is the brains behind it will be nice people to cross in any case.

    Anyway still hope he's stupid enough to cough up the info. Guess depends on what sort of deal he's made.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Sinbad_NI wrote: »
    Hadn't picked up on that. Where's the source for that, haven't been following it too closely TBH, apologies for my laziness.
    Whoever is the brains behind it will be nice people to cross in any case.

    Anyway still hope he's stupid enough to cough up the info. Guess depends on what sort of deal he's made.

    Theres likely always links to one side or the other in the 'ex' category.
    Alleged "loyalist" drug-smuggling link to tragic 39 lorry deaths

    https://www.irishcentral.com/news/thenorth/loyalist-drug-smuggling-lorry

    It's amusing that he's always mentioned as 'Irishman'. He is Irish of course, but I'd have been expecting a few pro British folk to make a correction.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    Sinbad_NI wrote: »
    Hopefully he spills the beans and takes the rest down as well.
    He didn't do it alone.

    All involved deserve lengthy sentences.

    May be he is afraid to give up the lot


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,245 ✭✭✭Esse85


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I feel horrifically sad for that poor driver, he must be absolutely distraught.
    Shame on the media that named him and plastered his face all over their publications without a shred of evidence. I hope he takes them to the cleaners and makes a fortune off them for what they have done to him.
    Its just disgraceful that they could potentially ruin his reputation forever based on so little. People have taken their lives over far less (and I don't mean that in an insulting/dismissive way), I hope he's surrounded by supportive and helpful family & friends as he tries to come to terms with this media circus he unwittingly got caught up in.

    What a ridiculous post of many made in here about the driver, offering opinions like this based on fresh air and without knowing the details.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,803 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Theres likely always links to one side or the other in the 'ex' category.

    Using the same route as loyalist drug smugglers? Bit tenuous to say there's 'defo' a loyalist paramilitary connection.

    If the Hughes brothers were the prime movers behind this plot, I'd be astonished if guys from their background were working in any orchestrated way with loyalist groups. They certainly wouldn't be welcome back in the Armagh/Monaghan border area if that came out...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup



    If the Hughes brothers were the prime movers behind this plot, I'd be astonished if guys from their background were working in any orchestrated way with loyalist groups. They certainly wouldn't be welcome back in the Armagh/Monaghan border area if that came out...

    depends which tribe they come from :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    There's a few people eating humble pie over on his IG account.

    They never thought he was guilty at all.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭Sinbad_NI


    Theres likely always links to one side or the other in the 'ex' category.



    It's amusing that he's always mentioned as 'Irishman'. He is Irish of course, but I'd have been expecting a few pro British folk to make a correction.

    Cheers for the link.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    There's a few people eating humble pie over on his IG account.

    They never thought he was guilty at all.

    But how were people meant to know? I imagine if he was trusted with an operation like this, he was likely quite discreet about it.

    Even though I didn't know at the time it happened whether he was guilty or not, I was and still am uncomfortable with how he was named as a suspect almost immediately. Even if there was a strong suspicion around him, the press should not be allowed that power


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,669 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    But how were people meant to know? I imagine if he was trusted with an operation like this, he was likely quite discreet about it.

    Even though I didn't know at the time it happened whether he was guilty or not, I was and still am uncomfortable with how he was named as a suspect almost immediately. Even if there was a strong suspicion around him, the press should not be allowed that power

    I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at first myself but after a few days it was becoming clear he was up to his eyeballs in it yet some people were still swearing blind he had nothing to do with it.

    It wasn't the press that outed him the cops named him as a person of interest who was in for questioning.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,956 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    There's a few people eating humble pie over on his IG account.

    They never thought he was guilty at all.

    I wonder would they be close friends of his.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    I was giving him the benefit of the doubt at first myself but after a few days it was becoming clear he was up to his eyeballs in it yet some people were still swearing blind he had nothing to do with it.

    It wasn't the press that outed him the cops named him as a person of interest who was in for questioning.

    Well once he was charged, I don't know how anyone could have defended him, but up until then, I think its reasonable to think that he might be innocent. That said, there are always people who'll just stick with a side no matter what evidence is right before their eyes

    Grand, the police should not be naming suspects either, its irresponsible, even if its allowed in the UK. The press then obviously had a field day with it

    Now that he's admitting guilt, then they can knock themselves out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,956 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    . That said, there are always people who'll just stick with a side no matter what evidence is right before their eyes

    It's quite natural if you are close friends with someone, you'll, if you are a decent character, will want to believe the person you are close to is not capable of such things. Whereas to the outsider it's much easier to see the truth of the situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,506 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    Wasnt there a gofundme or something similar set up by his sister to help him out almost immediately after he was arrested?
    Wonder what happened to that and the money donated...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭contrary_devil


    Sounds like he's after doing a deal.
    NIMAN wrote: »
    Or accepted the inevitable.

    Pleading guilty will shorten the sentence he's going to get.

    And all those people who said he was a great guy, and wouldn't be capable of this. Just goes to show.......


    Could it be that it was a choice of
    1 keeping gob shut, pleading guilty and taking jail time

    or
    2 sing like a canary and drop others in the proverbial with the result of a short life expectancy?


    Option 1 could also include being looked after financially so that he comes out to a roof over his head and other things.

    ;););)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    retalivity wrote:
    Wasnt there a gofundme or something similar set up by his sister to help him out almost immediately after he was arrested? Wonder what happened to that and the money donated...
    Who cares what happens to the money? It's only fools that would give anything to a fund like that so early.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,930 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Option 1 could also include being looked after financially so that he comes out to a roof over his head and other things.
    Or could simply be that he was told his family would be taken out if he gave up any info.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,865 ✭✭✭BENDYBINN


    Well once he was charged, I don't know how anyone could have defended him, but up until then, I think its reasonable to think that he might be innocent. That said, there are always people who'll just stick with a side no matter what evidence is right before their eyes

    Grand, the police should not be naming suspects either, its irresponsible, even if its allowed in the UK. The press then obviously had a field day with it

    Now that he's admitting guilt, then they can knock themselves out

    Given that he stopped his truck in an area where immigrants had been seen running in the past and where travel documents had been dumped I had my suspicions........but then lm a real Sherlock Holmes............


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,293 ✭✭✭pinkyeye


    I did kind of felt sorry for the driver at first but didn't express it out loud because I did feel if the police had doubts that he was guilty they wouldn't have released his name.

    Coupled with the fact that he was charged with murder within days and not even manslaughter they must have had some strong evidence.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,339 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Or could simply be that he was told his family would be taken out if he gave up any info.

    That's a risk you take when you work with illegal people traffickers I'd say. I don't think they're very nice people, as a rule. Specially not the sort that lock their human "cargo" into sealed containers.

    Reem Alsalem UNSR Violence Against Women and Girls: "Very concerned about statements by the IOC at Paris2024 (M)ultiple international treaties and national constitutions specifically refer to women & their fundamental rights, so the world (understands) what women -and men- are. (H)ow can one assess fairness and justice if we do not know who we are being fair and just to?"



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 CamelRider2k


    A High Court judge has found there is nothing to "preclude" him from surrendering a Northern Irish man wanted in the UK to face multiple counts of manslaughter following the discovery of 39 dead Vietnamese nationals in a lorry trailer in Essex.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    On one of the news channels last night, it said that the driver was getting one thousand pounds per passenger on those trailers, , so a few hours run earned these people a fair bit of money


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I suppose it has all stopped now, and will never happen again forevermore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    goat2 wrote: »
    On one of the news channels last night, it said that the driver was getting one thousand pounds per passenger on those trailers, , so a few hours run earned these people a fair bit of money

    40 k just for the driver?

    No chance I reckon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    Boggles wrote: »
    40 k just for the driver?

    No chance I reckon.

    I thought it was a lot, but if those people are being charged five thousand each, then I could see the driver getting his share ,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,568 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    goat2 wrote: »
    I thought it was a lot, but if those people are being charged five thousand each, then I could see the driver getting his share ,

    Maybe it is, you would imagine it would have to be a fair lump of cash for the risk.

    Still even if it is 40K this guy will spend at least 10 years in jail. 4 grand a year doesn't seem so good now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Boggles wrote: »
    Maybe it is, you would imagine it would have to be a fair lump of cash for the risk.

    Still even if it is 40K this guy will spend at least 10 years in jail. 4 grand a year doesn't seem so good now.

    Presumably any criminal assets will be seized so it’ll be €0/year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,939 ✭✭✭goat2


    Boggles wrote: »
    Maybe it is, you would imagine it would have to be a fair lump of cash for the risk.

    Still even if it is 40K this guy will spend at least 10 years in jail. 4 grand a year doesn't seem so good now.

    I would not like to be in his place, it was all a big fast money making racket, and it is no harm it has been brought to an end, but it is terrible that people died for this to be found out, lapses in security must have gone on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    KiKi III wrote: »
    Presumably any criminal assets will be seized so it’ll be €0/year

    Not sure if he will be subject to CAB, being a UK/NI resident. But anyway no one should profit from crime.

    When we look at the scrotes running round the Northside of Dublin and Drogheda at the moment, I don't see any confiscation of assets there. But maybe it is an ongoing thing that takes time.

    The only way to get them is in the cash goolies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,996 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    And another thing, one trafficker taken out, another will substitute surely.

    Well that is the received wisdom regarding taking out the honchos in the drugs trade.

    I dunno.


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