How long before Irish reunification?

RobMc59 · 27-06-2019 4:46pm

10-15 years

Berserker wrote: »

Please elaborate. What social benefits would it bring and how are they going to help people with their daily lives?

The people in the RoI have been asked to invest in a few things over the last few years and they haven't warmed to the idea.

It's perfect for a political party manifesto for sure. The RoI is booming at the moment, if we look at the state coffers and a UI is financially unobtainable at this time. Taking these two factors into account, it's very hard to imagine when it would be viable. The RoI has a few generations worth of debt to pay off before it could every consider a UI.

I agree and I don't think the US would help unless there was something in it for them,despite the so called 'special relationship 'between the UK and US Britain had to pay or concede strategic territory for help during both world wars.

RobMc59 · 27-06-2019 4:54pm

10-15 years

irish_goat wrote: »

The north is a basket case because London doesn't care about it. The cost of keeping it running will drastically decrease after reunification as we'll become a normal, functioning economy. On top of that, the UK will still continue to subsidise here as it's in their longterm financial interest to be rid of us and the EU will throw plenty of money our way, particularly in the context of Brexit.

That would be good for all concerned but do you think differences could be overcome-especially in your neck of the woods?

James Brown · 27-06-2019 5:04pm

10-15 years

Greyfox wrote: »

It will matter if people think there just voting for a romantic feeling. What do Irish people actually gain from a UI other then a romantic feeling?

What romantic feeling are you thinking of?
For me it's not romanticism. The set up was wrong and is a blight on the country. It's wrong in that we left our fellow countrymen and women go and IMO an embarrassment to even discuss being against unification. It's a hangover from the Empire.
Could you imagine if Texas and part or Arizona were ruled by the UK or Cornwall and part of Devon ruled by France?

Greyfox · 27-06-2019 5:33pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What romantic feeling are you thinking of?
For me it's not romanticism. The set up was wrong and is a blight on the country. It's wrong in that we left our fellow countrymen and women go and IMO an embarrassment to even discuss being against unification.

How is it a blight on the country? Is there people becoming ill due to it as I havent seen anyone with any symtoms? We had to in order to make peace but that's all history now, I'm proud to be against a UI as I don't live in the past. My country has 26 counties and N. Ireland is a lovely country that has 6 counties but N Ire is not my country

James Brown · 27-06-2019 5:42pm

10-15 years

Greyfox wrote: »

How is it a blight on the country? Is there people becoming ill due to it as I havent seen anyone with any symtoms? We had to in order to make peace but that's all history now, I'm proud to be against a UI as I don't live in the past. My country has 26 counties and N. Ireland is a lovely country that has 6 counties but N Ire is not my country

In that the country is divided by it. It's called Northern Ireland y'know.
It's not a country

You are welcome to your view of course. None of the above addresses your 'romantic feeling' shyte.

Greyfox · 27-06-2019 6:25pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

In that the country is divided by it. It's called Northern Ireland y'know.
It's not a country
You are welcome to your view of course. None of the above addresses your 'romantic feeling' shyte.

Ok so instead of a romantic feeling it's a magical blight that effects nobody and a UI is about getting rid if this magical blight. The border is there since before we were born due to an agreement made almost 100 years ago, if we're going to remove the border there needs to be a good reason to remove it

James Brown · 27-06-2019 7:06pm

10-15 years

Greyfox wrote: »

Ok so instead of a romantic feeling it's a magical blight that effects nobody and a UI is about getting rid if this magical blight. The border is there since before we were born due to an agreement made almost 100 years ago, if we're going to remove the border there needs to be a good reason to remove it

You said 'romantic feeling'. I gave other reasons.
The partition is real not magical.
I've a few; it divides Ireland. It wasn't voted on by the public. They gerrymandered the district lines to queer the 'democratic' vote.
Ulster is an Irish Province partially under U.K. rule.
Look, you've no interest in a UI, fair enough but it only being for 'romantic' ideals is just crap British apologists and west brits alike use to dismiss it. You could say the same for the Unionists only having a romantic link to the U.K.

Greyfox · 27-06-2019 7:39pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You said 'romantic feeling'. I gave other reasons.
The partition is real not magical.
I've a few; it divides Ireland. It wasn't voted on by the public. They gerrymandered the district lines to queer the 'democratic' vote.
Ulster is an Irish Province partially under U.K. rule.
Look, you've no interest in a UI, fair enough but it only being for 'romantic' ideals is just crap British apologists and west brits alike use to dismiss it. You could say the same for the Unionists only having a romantic link to the U.K.

The partition is a border, a border the majority of people wanted and a majority still want to keep the border. The romantic ideal is accurate as that's all supporters of a UI have, they never come up with a sensible reason for a UI. e.g if you wanted N Ire to use euros now that would actually be a logical reason for someone in the republic wanting a UI.

_Kaiser_ · 27-06-2019 8:04pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

You said 'romantic feeling'. I gave other reasons.
The partition is real not magical.
I've a few; it divides Ireland. It wasn't voted on by the public. They gerrymandered the district lines to queer the 'democratic' vote.
Ulster is an Irish Province partially under U.K. rule.
Look, you've no interest in a UI, fair enough but it only being for 'romantic' ideals is just crap British apologists and west brits alike use to dismiss it. You could say the same for the Unionists only having a romantic link to the U.K.

See, this is part of the problem. Not everyone who thinks a UI is a bad idea is an "apologist" or "West Brit" - time to leave the past where it belongs.

Here and now in 2019, NI requires massive subvention which we in ROI haven't a hope of covering considering we can't even deal with the many core issues we have.

I agree with others, I have yet to hear what real benefits a UI would offer us in ROI to justify the cost, security, and societal differences.
Similarly, beyond getting to stay in the EU and a new sugardaddy, what else does NI get from it? Are they going to be happy with the HSE rather than the NHS do you think? How about paying a lot more for cars and insurance/tax and pretty much everything else too? How about increased tensions because the die-hards don't want to accept it?

Beyond the romantic nationalist notion, I don't see why either side would really want it if they thought about it properly.

James Brown · 27-06-2019 8:11pm

10-15 years

Greyfox wrote: »

The partition is a border, a border the majority of people wanted and a majority still want to keep the border. The romantic ideal is accurate as that's all supporters of a UI have, they never come up with a sensible reason for a UI. e.g if you wanted N Ire to use euros now that would actually be a logical reason for someone in the republic wanting a UI.

Was there a vote? I missed that.

It's part of the Island of Ireland. It's part of the Irish province of Ulster. It was taken, not by public mandate.

James Brown · 27-06-2019 8:13pm

10-15 years

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

See, this is part of the problem. Not everyone who thinks a UI is a bad idea is an "apologist" or "West Brit" - time to leave the past where it belongs.

Here and now in 2019, NI requires massive subvention which we in ROI haven't a hope of covering considering we can't even deal with the many core issues we have.

I agree with others, I have yet to hear what real benefits a UI would offer us in ROI to justify the cost, security, and societal differences.
Similarly, beyond getting to stay in the EU and a new sugardaddy, what else does NI get from it? Are they going to be happy with the HSE rather than the NHS do you think? How about paying a lot more for cars and insurance/tax and pretty much everything else too? How about increased tensions because the die-hards don't want to accept it?

Beyond the romantic nationalist notion, I don't see why either side would really want it if they thought about it properly.

See, to me it does though. If you don't want a UI for any number of reasons that's fine and dandy. However if you say romantic ideals are the only reason anyone wants a UI you are either not very informed or being purposefully dismissive.
We could save a few bob selling off Cork to the Yanks, do you think anyone disagreeing would be being a romantic langer?

careless sherpa · 27-06-2019 9:09pm

With the very real threat of the resumption of fracking in Belcoo on the cavan/fermanagh border, the proposed storage of nuclear waste in south armagh and the chaos a no deal Brexit would bring in terms of agriculture and the proliferation of poor quality products the issue of having control over the entire island is now more vital than ever. Dismissing it as a romantic ideal doesn't take any of those factors into consideration. Once the environment has been altered irrevocably we will be in a bit of trouble. Taking the issue of fracking, the source of the Shannon is pretty close to the area which will be the centre of the practice.

Greyfox · 27-06-2019 9:13pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Was there a vote? I missed that.

It's part of the Island of Ireland. It's part of the Irish province of Ulster. It was taken, not by public mandate.

Matt Barrett wrote: »

See, to me it does though. If you don't want a UI for any number of reasons that's fine and dandy. However if you say romantic ideals are the only reason anyone wants a UI you are either not very informed or being purposefully dismissive.

The people in power in 1921/22 at the time voted for it, at the time its was the best we could of hoped for. How would a UI make your life better? What are the actual benifits of a UI?

_blaaz · 27-06-2019 9:16pm

10-15 years

Id vote yes to it anyway....if the north want to join up with us....im.not going to stop them anyway

FrancieBrady · 27-06-2019 10:33pm

Greyfox wrote: »

What are the actual benifits of a UI?

Can you not work that out yourself? There has been cyclical problems on this island ever since partition (which was only envisioned as temporary).
Just because partitionists in the south have divorced a whole section of Irish people and now try to portray then as 'other' does not mean that is the case.

Not withstanding the benefits of building a cohesive island where there are no separations in agriculture, tourism, industry etc, a UI would give a huge section of people a sense of belonging and empowerment in their own futures.
A large part of northern Ireland's problems stem from that lack of empowerment and a say.
There would I believe be a massive benefit for us all as one island. I also happen to think that the moderate unionist would have a lot to offer too and I get a sense that they are beginning to see that their future holds a UI in it and it is better to negotiate that future than be forced into it. Peter Robinson:

“I don’t believe Northern Ireland will want to leave the United Kingdom, but if it does happen we would be in a terrible fix because we would be in the same situation as leaving the EU where nothing was negotiated or decided about what was going to happen after.”

Mr Robinson said he believed the unionist community in general would also accept the results of a border poll on unification but would want some “protections”, as the Nationalist community currently enjoys in the North.

27-06-2019 11:12pm

20-30 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Meh.

We know it will cost several billions per annum - that's enough to scupper the idea for the vast majority of the Republic's voters.

Seriously, how do you "know" this? There's a great deal of assumptions that the *current* British subsidy of £11 billion will continue. With the English facing a very bleak economic future, they will not have the money to prop up this last small remnant of their Irish colony.

As Brexit shows very, very clearly, the English will suit themselves and Unionists in NI must like it or lump it. Politically, the English will need all the money they can get to shore up English areas and there's no way they could now get away with that enormous £11 billion handout to what Harold Wilson famously described as "spongers".

By the time reunification happens, it is far more probable that the Unionists will be long over the days of an £11 billion handout so there will be much less, if anything, for the Irish/EU/US to replace. A far more substantial issue than alleged financial costs is what to do with the mass of undereducated loyalist dregs of Ballymoney, Larne & Portadown. The French brought
800,000 of their self-declared "French" Pied-Noir settlers back to France in the 1960s so perhaps there's a precedent for the 100,000 or so hardliners. It seems like Johnny Adair and other loyalists already set that trend 10-15 years ago when they moved permanently to Britain.

Anybody who believes the rightwing English Tories/Brexiteers will not put an English Brexit ahead of Ulster Unionists' desire to remain in the UK needs to listen to this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcspotlightni/status/1113199323838390272

RobMc59 · 28-06-2019 12:58am

10-15 years

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seriously, how do you "know" this? There's a great deal of assumptions that the *current* British subsidy of £11 billion will continue. With the English facing a very bleak economic future, they will not have the money to prop up this last small remnant of their Irish colony.

As Brexit shows very, very clearly, the English will suit themselves and Unionists in NI must like it or lump it. Politically, the English will need all the money they can get to shore up English areas and there's no way they could now get away with that enormous £11 billion handout to what Harold Wilson famously described as "spongers".

By the time reunification happens, it is far more probable that the Unionists will be long over the days of an £11 billion handout so there will be much less, if anything, for the Irish/EU/US to replace. A far more substantial issue than alleged financial costs is what to do with the mass of undereducated loyalist dregs of Ballymoney, Larne & Portadown. The French brought
800,000 of their self-declared "French" Pied-Noir settlers back to France in the 1960s so perhaps there's a precedent for the 100,000 or so hardliners. It seems like Johnny Adair and other loyalists already set that trend 10-15 years ago when they moved permanently to Britain.

Anybody who believes the rightwing English Tories/Brexiteers will not put an English Brexit ahead of Ulster Unionists' desire to remain in the UK needs to listen to this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcspotlightni/status/1113199323838390272

So you're proposing ethnic cleansing?

simongurnick · 28-06-2019 5:32am

Greyfox wrote: »

The people in power in 1921/22 at the time voted for it, at the time its was the best we could of hoped for. How would a UI make your life better? What are the actual benifits of a UI?

Let's be clear here
The creation of northern ireland was due to gerrymandering political boundaries to appease the unionist voice. The brits had just negotiated the versailles treaty. It was men against boys in that sense. The fallout resulted in the irish civil war which was more vicious than any rebellion .

28-06-2019 8:31am

20-30 years

RobMc59 wrote: »

So you're proposing ethnic cleansing?

Yes, this could indeed be called "ethnic cleansing", if you don't know what ethnic cleansing is.

As far as I'm aware of the North's demography the "100,000 or so hardliners" do not constitute the "ethnicity" of Unionism. It will be an absolute fact that loyalists will leave - the question is how many and what type - just as in every decolonisation process in history people who are unwilling to accept the new state leave with the colonial power.

The issue will be to ensure insofar as possible it's the dregs rather than the people who can contribute. The latter from the unionist community have, for many decades now, been leaving the North in huge numbers to go to college in Britain and not returning so they seem to be, to use your misapplied early 1990s nomenclature, "ethnically cleansing" themselves.

facehugger99 · 28-06-2019 8:46am

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, this could indeed be called "ethnic cleansing", if you don't know what ethnic cleansing is.

As far as I'm aware of the North's demography the "100,000 or so hardliners" do not constitute the "ethnicity" of Unionism. It will be an absolute fact that loyalists will leave - the question is how many and what type - just as in every decolonisation process in history people who are unwilling to accept the new state leave with the colonial power.

The issue will be to ensure insofar as possible it's the dregs rather than the people who can contribute. The latter from the unionist community have, for many decades now, been leaving the North in huge numbers to go to college in Britain and not returning so they seem to be, to use your misapplied early 1990s nomenclature, "ethnically cleansing" themselves.

Hilarious stuff - keep going this is too funny.

28-06-2019 9:01am

20-30 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

Hilarious stuff - keep going this is too funny.

Another profound contribution, facehugger99. Well done.

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2019 9:39am

why is there no option for "The rest of Ireland says No, it will never happen"

28-06-2019 9:42am

20-30 years

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why is there no option for "The rest of Ireland says No, it will never happen"

I was going to put that in but I figured it would annoy ohnonotgmail more if I didn't.

Berserker · 28-06-2019 9:45am

Deleted User wrote: »

By the time reunification happens, it is far more probable that the Unionists will be long over the days of an £11 billion handout so there will be much less, if anything

Firstly, it takes £26bn to run NI, not £11bn. Secondly, if NI is to reduce the handout it receives, it will need to experience economic growth in it's private sector. That will mean that Brexit will be a success for NI. I was under the impression that Brexit is going to cripple the UK.

Deleted User wrote: »

Anybody who believes the rightwing English Tories/Brexiteers will not put an English Brexit ahead of Ulster Unionists' desire to remain in the UK needs to listen to this:

People in the RoI and NI, who are not blinded by nationalism, will vote with their heads and put their own well being first.

branie2 · 28-06-2019 9:46am

10-15 years

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

why is there no option for "The rest of Ireland says No, it will never happen"

The rest of Ireland being Loyalists in the North?

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2019 9:47am

branie2 wrote: »

The rest of Ireland being Loyalists in the North?

the rest of ireland being those of us outside northern ireland.

markodaly · 28-06-2019 10:07am

Matt Barrett wrote: »

A united Ireland chief.

Tax payer will be rode either way. Telling the taxpayer a UI will be costly will mean little IMO.

As I said, when all else fails, we fall back to primitive nationalism.

Berserker · 28-06-2019 10:18am

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Tax payer will be rode either way. Telling the taxpayer a UI will be costly will mean little IMO.

Really, so when the true cost comes to the fore, people will accept it? If the government said we need to increase income taxes by 12%, widen our tax base to include low paid workers and reduce social welfare to align it with the current rates in NI, you think people will be fine with that?

28-06-2019 10:21am

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What romantic feeling are you thinking of?
For me it's not romanticism. The set up was wrong and is a blight on the country. It's wrong in that we left our fellow countrymen and women go and IMO an embarrassment to even discuss being against unification. It's a hangover from the Empire.
Could you imagine if Texas and part or Arizona were ruled by the UK or Cornwall and part of Devon ruled by France?

You: it's nothing romantic

Also you: listing romantic reasoning

Dammo · 28-06-2019 10:27am

Ulster Says No. It will never happen

Berserker wrote: »

Really, so when the true cost comes to the fore, people will accept it? If the government said we need to increase income taxes by 12%, widen our tax base to include low paid workers and reduce social welfare to align it with the current rates in NI, you think people will be fine with that?

That’d be Sinn Féin’s core demographic out for a start

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2019 10:38am

Berserker wrote: »

Really, so when the true cost comes to the fore, people will accept it? If the government said we need to increase income taxes by 12%, widen our tax base to include low paid workers and reduce social welfare to align it with the current rates in NI, you think people will be fine with that?

It is a noted falsehood of partitionists to try and state that there will always be a 'cost' to northern Ireland.

There likely will be an initial cost but the issues unification fix will see the island being better off socially and economically in the medium to long term. An investment to fix the problems created by partition is what is required

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2019 10:39am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It is a noted falsehood of partitionists to try and state that there will always be a 'cost' to northern Ireland.

There likely will be an initial cost but the issues unification fix will see the island being better off socially and economically in the medium to long term. An investment to fix the problems created by partition is what is required

you sound like a brexiteer talking about a No Deal.

Greyfox · 28-06-2019 10:41am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Can you not work that out yourself?
Just because partitionists in the south have divorced a whole section of Irish people and now try to portray then as 'other' does not mean that is the case.

Not withstanding the benefits of building a cohesive island where there are no separations in agriculture, tourism, industry etc, a UI would give a huge section of people a sense of belonging and empowerment in their own futures.

No, because there is no obvious benifit. It's not as simple as try to portray them as other, its more like adults are thought as children that N Ire is a different country and the different laws and currency make it feel like a different country. Maybe cohesive island where there are no separations could be a very good thing, its hard to know for sure though as it could mess up the good things that everyone is already use to by now

_blaaz · 28-06-2019 10:44am

10-15 years

Greyfox wrote: »

No, because there is no obvious benifit. It's not as simple as try to portray them as other, its more like adults are thought as children that N Ire is a different country and the different laws and currency make it feel like a different country. Maybe cohesive island where there are no separations could be a very good thing, its hard to know for sure though as it could mess up the good things that everyone is already use to by now

Surely it would be good thing to bring up quality of life for citizens in the occupied 6 counties?

The brits dont care about them(tbh the way they carry on,they not fit to rule emselves no mind parts of ireland),

Its far and away the poorest region on the island.....longer its left,the bigger mess we as a state have to fix.....unless yous like irish citizens living in poverty,they argue away in favour of that

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2019 10:47am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you sound like a brexiteer talking about a No Deal.

Yawn. Maybe try and offer something constructive?

Greyfox wrote: »

No, because there is no obvious benifit. It's not as simple as try to portray them as other, its more like adults are thought as children that N Ire is a different country and the different laws and currency make it feel like a different country. Maybe cohesive island where there are no separations could be a very good thing, its hard to know for sure though as it could mess up the good things that everyone is already use to by now

My starting point here is that the 'good things' have been denied to a significant portion of my fellow Irish people for a very long time.

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2019 10:52am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yawn. Maybe try and offer something constructive?

Do you have anything to support your claim that a unified country would be better off in the medium to long term? how exactly are you defining the medium to long term? How much will this exercise cost us?

Is that constructive enough?

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2019 10:54am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Do you have anything to support your claim that a unified country would be better off in the medium to long term? how exactly are you defining the medium to long term? How much will this exercise cost us?

Is that constructive enough?

Have a read.

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/joint_committee_on_the_implementation_of_the_good_friday_agreement/reports/2017/2017-08-02_brexit-and-the-future-of-ireland-uniting-ireland-and-its-people-in-peace-and-prosperity_en.pdf

cgcsb · 28-06-2019 10:59am

15-20 years

The government of the day should play it dead cool with the UK, we'll need a good deal to make the handover affordable after all. I don't mind an increase in taxation to achieve it, we could forget about foreign aid for a few years, rely on the EU for some 'integration' funds, like Germany in the reunification days, borrow from the EIB to fund infrastructure etc. easily done for a few years until former Northern Ireland has a functional private sector economy.

facehugger99 · 28-06-2019 11:02am

_blaaz wrote: »

Surely it would be good thing to bring up quality of life for citizens in the occupied 6 counties?

How will their quality of life be 'brought up'?

Losing the NHS, billions of euros in subvention and ten of thousands of cushy public sector jobs.

The turkeys up there won't be voting for Christmas and we won't be voting to take over the turkey farm.

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2019 11:04am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have a read.

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/joint_committee_on_the_implementation_of_the_good_friday_agreement/reports/2017/2017-08-02_brexit-and-the-future-of-ireland-uniting-ireland-and-its-people-in-peace-and-prosperity_en.pdf

Colour me not convinced

“The problem is that little information is available on the potential economic effects of a unification policy, and there are therefore little means to numerically gauge its effectiveness. This is further complicated by the data deficit in the North.”243

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2019 11:07am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Colour me not convinced

At least you have pointed to the nonsense of quoting the subvention to northern Ireland as the 'cost' of northern Ireland. It isn't.

Ignore all the rest of the document if you wish. It is you who need to educate yourself on the possibilities.

cgcsb · 28-06-2019 11:09am

15-20 years

facehugger99 wrote: »

How will their quality of life be 'brought up'?

Losing the NHS, billions of euros in subvention and ten of thousands of cushy public sector jobs.

The turkeys up there won't be voting for Christmas and we won't be voting to take over the turkey farm.

In the ROI 40% of people have medical cards and 50% have private health insurance. The average wage in the ROI is DOUBLE what it is in NI, so who actually gives a crap about paying €60 the 2 times a year you might visit the GP? Your living standards would be improved by virtue of the fact that you've twice as much money.

Cushy public sectors are grand and all, but the thing is, most people would prefer to do meaningful work in the private sector, with opportunity to advance themselves and earn more money.

facehugger99 · 28-06-2019 11:13am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have a read.

https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/joint_committee_on_the_implementation_of_the_good_friday_agreement/reports/2017/2017-08-02_brexit-and-the-future-of-ireland-uniting-ireland-and-its-people-in-peace-and-prosperity_en.pdf

Shinnerbot nonsense with makey-uppey figures, wild speculation and nonsense doublespeak throughout - the phrase 'paper never refused ink' could not be more aptly applied..

Next.

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2019 11:14am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

At least you have pointed to the nonsense of quoting the subvention to northern Ireland as the 'cost' of northern Ireland. It isn't.

Ignore all the rest of the document if you wish. It is you who need to educate yourself on the possibilities.

well that document does say this

Northern Ireland currently and historically runs a fiscal deficit that is financed by inter-governmental transfers from the UK. Unification would require that this deficit be financed and assumed by the Republic of Ireland.

So we would be paying for it.

I've done some more reading of that document and i cant see why anybody from northern ireland would be in favour of it. Its basic assumption is that the republic would take over the north and the north would start doing everything our way.

Harmonization of the tax systems across the Island, with the North adopting the tax rates and regulations of the south.

Adoption of the Euro in the North

However, unification would also eliminate the need for two parallel governmental structures in many domains and likely result in public spending in the North that diminishes over time.

On to the dole then for all those civil servants in the north.

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2019 11:16am

facehugger99 wrote: »

Shinnerbot nonsense with makey-uppey figures.

Next.

very makey-uppey. They even admit it

“The problem is that little information is available on the potential economic effects of a unification policy, and there are therefore little means to numerically gauge its effectiveness. This is further complicated by the data deficit in the North.”243

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2019 11:16am

facehugger99 wrote: »

Shinnerbot nonsense with makey-uppey figures.

Next.

Love it. It is gonna come as some shock to our resident partitionists that their own government have a great deal of work done on modeling various unification scenarios.

Enjoy living in willful ignorance.

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2019 11:17am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Love it. It is gonna come as some shock to our resident partitionists that their own government have a great deal of work done on modeling various unification scenarios.

Enjoy living in willful ignorance.

Modelling that is based on little or no data as they admit themselves. Not sure i would be relying on their conclusions. I certainly would not be quoting them as gospel.

FrancieBrady · 28-06-2019 11:20am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Modelling that is based on little or no data as they admit themselves. Not sure i would be relying on their conclusions. I certainly would not be quoting them as gospel.

But you guys are certain that it won't work...based on no info at all only your bias.

Keep digging that hole...you are hilarious.

ohnonotgmail · 28-06-2019 11:21am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But you guys are certain that it won't work...based on no info at all only your bias.

Keep digging that hole...you are hilarious.

well you are certain that it will work...based on no info at all only your bias.

Do you see how that works? If you want to convince people to change you need to make the case for it. You haven't.

facehugger99 · 28-06-2019 11:25am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Love it. It is gonna come as some shock to our resident partitionists that their own government have a great deal of work done on modeling various unification scenarios.

Enjoy living in willful ignorance.

Sure, if by 'modeling' you mean making up figures and if by 'great deal of work' you mean quoting that report, with the made up figures, in another report then you're quite correct.

Great work guys.

A sieve would hold more water.

How long before Irish reunification?

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