Post primary return to schools roadmap

ulsen · 31-07-2020 7:33pm

I know Special education teachers in primary are expected to substitute for class teachers if no other substitute can be found, just wondering what the expectation is at post primary level, is it written into the roadmap anywhere?. Also any recommendations for students who attend both a ASD class as well as mainstream classes- I couldn't see anything in the roadmap either.

Bananaleaf · 31-07-2020 7:46pm

ulsen wrote: »

I know Special education teachers in primary are expected to substitute for class teachers if no other substitute can be found, just wondering what the expectation is at post primary level, is it written into the roadmap anywhere?. Also any recommendations for students who attend both a ASD class as well as mainstream classes- I couldn't see anything in the roadmap either.

Forgive me if I have taken you up wrong and as a result i don't really answer your question

At post primary special education teachers are mainstream teachers who (might if you are lucky) have a secondary qualification in SEN.

Due to the structure of PP, (teachers not with the one class group all day) if a teacher is absent, their classes are covered by a sub (certified) or by S&S (uncertified) The teacher covering the absent staff member may or may not be an SEN teacher, but teachers at PP level sub at 40min intervals, depending on when they are not teaching their own classes themselves (ie: during their free periods)

If you are referring to SNAs then no, they are not to be left in a position where they have to take on the role of teacher, sub or otherwise and there is nothing in the roadmap to say that is to change.

Edited to add that there is nothing in the roadmap about ASD students who dip in and out of mainstream. I guess that will be locally arranged. We have an ASD unit in our place with students who come and go, so when I know what is going on there I will happily let you know

ulsen · 31-07-2020 8:06pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Forgive me if I have taken you up wrong and as a result i don't really answer your question

At post primary special education teachers are mainstream teachers who (might if you are lucky) have a secondary qualification in SEN.

Thanks Bananleaf, I might not have phrased the question clearly. I am a post primary teacher with additional qualifications in SEN (working in an ASD class-can't call them units anymore).

The roadmap for primary schools indicates that when a substitute teacher can't be found, Special Education Teachers in the school can be used to cover for the class teacher. I'm just wondering is the same expectation there for post primary schools- if substitute teachers can't be found, will teachers who usually provide learning support be expected to cover classes. I couldn't see anything in the roadmap for post primary.

Random sample · 31-07-2020 8:19pm

ulsen wrote: »

Thanks Bananleaf, I might not have phrased the question clearly. I am a post primary teacher with additional qualifications in SEN (working in an ASD class-can't call them units anymore).

The roadmap for primary schools indicates that when a substitute teacher can't be found, Special Education Teachers in the school can be used to cover for the class teacher. I'm just wondering is the same expectation there for post primary schools- if substitute teachers can't be found, will teachers who usually provide learning support be expected to cover classes. I couldn't see anything in the roadmap for post primary.

I don’t see how that could work in secondary. In primary, learning support teacher takes the kid out of their classgroup, so they would just stay with their class if the learning support teacher wasn’t available. In secondary, learning support is timetabled, so the student isn’t out of another class as such, so there would be nowhere for them to go if the learning support teacher wasn’t available, they’d need a sub themselves then.

Bananaleaf · 31-07-2020 8:26pm

ulsen wrote: »

Thanks Bananleaf, I might not have phrased the question clearly. I am a post primary teacher with additional qualifications in SEN (working in an ASD class-can't call them units anymore).

The roadmap for primary schools indicates that when a substitute teacher can't be found, Special Education Teachers in the school can be used to cover for the class teacher. I'm just wondering is the same expectation there for post primary schools- if substitute teachers can't be found, will teachers who usually provide learning support be expected to cover classes. I couldn't see anything in the roadmap for post primary.

Oh sorry, get you now. Yeah I know we are not supposed to say unit anymore. Bad habit, apologies. Same with support assistants, still keep calling them SNAs, I need to get my act together!

So, are you full time with the ASD class? If so, I would imagine that you are not able to be used.

With regard to learning support, I do a bit of this and yes I wonder will this be abused by management (to be fair to them, maybe out of necessity rather than malice)

Eg: I take John and Mary for literacy withdrawal on a Monday at 10am. But this Monday I see I'm down to cover Mr X's class at 10am because he is absent and there isn't anyone else to do it.

Eg 2: I team teach a class with another teacher on a Monday at 10am. But this Monday I see I'm down to cover Mr X's class at 10am because he is absent and there isn't anyone else to do it.

Personally speaking, this kind of stuff has happened to me a couple of times prior to Covid when we have been stuck for cover. Management will chance their arm with stuff like this. Again, as I said above, often not to take advantage but because they're up the proverbial creek themselves.

A nice workaround for this that I have figured out is if you email them acting dumb

"Good morning XX, I noticed that I'm down to cover Mr X at 10am this morning, but I usually take John and Mary for literacy at that time. Do you want me to send them back to their Irish class and take the cover instead? Thanks"

They're never going to openly agree, in writing, to cutting back on the SET hrs to fill gaps and if they do, you have it in writing.

Taking a LSup teacher away from their group to cover another is no different to taking a mainstream teacher out of their class to cover another in my view. Learning support hours are allocated to the school specifically for LSup and I'd imagine there would be war (and rightly so) if they started getting used for something else

am_zarathustra · 31-07-2020 8:34pm

I didn't see anything about this when I was reading through (though I could be wrong). In post primary because LS might be a scheduled class for say kids exempt from Irish to support them in literacy it isn't as easy to move a teacher to cover the whole of another teacher. A good few of our learning support teachers are also classroom teachers. We have an English and French teacher who would have exam classes in these for 11/13 hours and the rest would be TEFL like support for students for whom English is not their first language. Timetabling is a quagmire at PP so I can't see it being in a guideline.

Now thats not to say that if you are scheduled for LS with and Irish removal group second class on Monday and they can't find any cover that you wouldn't be asked. Whether you do or don't would be dependent on the situation I would say

am_zarathustra · 31-07-2020 8:42pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Oh sorry, get you now. Yeah I know we are not supposed to say unit anymore. Bad habit, apologies. Same with support assistants, still keep calling them SNAs, I need to get my act together!

So, are you full time with the ASD class? If so, I would imagine that you are not able to be used.

With regard to learning support, I do a bit of this and yes I wonder will this be abused by management (to be fair to them, maybe out of necessity rather than malice)

Eg: I take John and Mary for literacy withdrawal on a Monday at 10am. But this Monday I see I'm down to cover Mr X's class at 10am because he is absent and there isn't anyone else to do it.

Eg 2: I team teach a class with another teacher on a Monday at 10am. But this Monday I see I'm down to cover Mr X's class at 10am because he is absent and there isn't anyone else to do it.

Personally speaking, this kind of stuff has happened to me a couple of times prior to Covid when we have been stuck for cover. Management will chance their arm with stuff like this. Again, as I said above, often not to take advantage but because they're up the proverbial creek themselves.

A nice workaround for this that I have figured out is if you email them acting dumb

"Good morning XX, I noticed that I'm down to cover Mr X at 10am this morning, but I usually take John and Mary for literacy at that time. Do you want me to send them back to their Irish class and take the cover instead? Thanks"

They're never going to openly agree, in writing, to cutting back on the SET hrs to fill gaps and if they do, you have it in writing.

Taking a LSup teacher away from their group to cover another is no different to taking a mainstream teacher out of their class to cover another in my view. Learning support hours are allocated to the school specifically for LSup and I'd imagine there would be war (and rightly so) if they started getting used for something else

A good response to exactly what I was saying. You might be asked and it's a good idea to think about how you feel about that in advance. Or you could copy and paste the above response 😜 having to admit what your doing is always a good deterrent

I don't blame management in some ways but vunerable children do suffer. I've had LS hours and I have to be honest, I had one principal who was so supportive of SET he only would have done this as an absolute last resort and fought tooth and nail for every bit of extra support. Second principal used applaing language to describe kids with additional needs and would do whatever was the easiest in any situation.my response to be asked to cover for the former would be different from the latter.

maynooth_rules · 31-07-2020 10:16pm

Has anyone had it confirmed that they have lost their base room for next year? The thoughts of losing your base room, staff room being almost out of bounds, planning in classes that you are off possibly having to be done in your car, are making the thoughts of this whole school year utterly depressing. And that's without the thoughts of standing in front of classes of 30 unmasked adolescents.

Bananaleaf · 31-07-2020 10:35pm

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Has anyone had it confirmed that they have lost their base room for next year? The thoughts of losing your base room, staff room being almost out of bounds, planning in classes that you are off possibly having to be done in your car, are making the thoughts of this whole school year utterly depressing. And that's without the thoughts of standing in front of classes of 30 unmasked adolescents.

Haven't heard a thing yet, but from speaking to some principals, it seems to be the approach a lot are going to go for.

Losing my base room kind of irks me. One of the most quoted lines in relation to schools going back has been "sure there's not much transmission between kids anyway, so the whole social distancing thing isn't really necessary". Well then why do they need to be kept off the corridors?

I've big issues with the kids having base rooms. As a secondary school student, I went to a school where the students had base rooms and the teachers moved. And as a relatively unpopular kid (not one of the cool ones) those 3-5mins when there was no adult in the room were the worst times of the day

When a teacher pops out of the room for a minute or two, there's a bit of opportunistic messing that will go on. But when kids know that they can expect to be left to their own devices for 3-5mins every 40mins-1hr per day, they will come prepared. Believe me, I speak from experience!!

Leftwaffe · 31-07-2020 10:38pm

Im doing the aide in our school. Not much administration wise I'm being told, just organising classrooms, etc. Starting next week at some stage.

In regards to homework. I'm going completely paperless. We use the O365 platform so will get them to type it up or send photos via Teams. Keep them all in individual folders. Bit of work to get it started but 100% worth it when it starts flowing. Give them HW in bulk at beginning of week possibly. Should really start to nail these things down now!

am_zarathustra · 31-07-2020 10:42pm

I can't see any way around it for principals, the guidelines are very clear. I suppose maybe if you didn't have enough rooms and didn't want to sacrifice the practical rooms maybe you could make a case? Ive heard of a few where it definitely student base rooms but most teachers I know haven't been told yet

Bananaleaf · 31-07-2020 10:43pm

Out of interest .... how many of ye have been given a timetable for this coming year or even know what year groups and subjects you are teaching

am_zarathustra · 31-07-2020 10:46pm

I know what groups (though that can change) but no timetable. Haven't heard a peep from the principal in a month

mirrorwall14 · 31-07-2020 10:47pm

Same I have the groups, no timetable. Having said that it may change and often does

am_zarathustra · 31-07-2020 10:49pm

I've actually done a crazy amount of planning and stated making resource folders for every student so I hope my classes stay the same. Or the new NQT in my subject will have an easy first few months

Random sample · 31-07-2020 10:53pm

We’re losing our classrooms. But haven’t been told how that’s going to work. We don’t have enough rooms for it.

I usually know what classes I’ll have, but there are often a few changes from June to August.

Principal is working on creating a timetable with all doubles at the minute, but again, hasn’t explained how that will work with subjects that normally get 1/3/5 periods in the week.

It would suit me to have less groups and have them for both of my subjects. At least then I could teach them a period of each when I have them instead of having all doubles.

LW2018 · 31-07-2020 11:17pm

Bananaleaf wrote: »

Out of interest .... how many of ye have been given a timetable for this coming year or even know what year groups and subjects you are teaching

We’ve been given our timetables... were issued them in June. Unsure if there will be any reworking of it however. I do think it will stay the same as we’ve a huge amount of subjects offered and limited space. I do think it’s a huge amount of pressure on management - from the calculated grades new territory in June and now this and the complications it will bring due to different logistics etc with timeframe and buildings and so on. Practical approaches with staff opinions welcomed and explored will help to some extent.

Leftwaffe · 31-07-2020 11:37pm

Base classrooms gone in our place. Overflow rooms being organised as well. I worked long enough without a base classroom so won't be an issue but can see how it will be difficult for many.

The whole thing will test management to the last tbh. Some schools will be far better organised than others naturally. But the time frame to implement all this effectively is just far too slim.

ulsen · 31-07-2020 11:46pm

[QUOTE=Redordeadqwwer;114191943 Overflow rooms being organised as well. .[/QUOTE]

Interesting, will these have live streaming, who will supervise the students?

Mardy Bum · 31-07-2020 11:57pm

Every single thing a principal does will be pointless if everyone is maskless. The hundreds of hours organising timetables, routines, tables, rooms, etc. will be akin to the roads to no where.

Leftwaffe · 01-08-2020 12:00am

ulsen wrote: »

Interesting, will these have live streaming, who will supervise the students?

Yes live streaming from the classroom. I believe the overflow area will be a large open area in the school so will hold multiple overflow students from different class groups at good distance. Earphones allowed. This isn't nailed down yet from what I heard.obviosuly complications with it too.

Not sure about supervision but I hope management has procured more than enough subs for this year. If subbing is your game there's a fortune to be made this year.

Leftwaffe · 01-08-2020 12:03am

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Every single thing a principal does will be pointless if everyone is maskless. The hundreds of hours organising timetables, routines, tables, rooms, etc. will be akin to the roads to no where.

Yeah I totally agree. Its farcical. We are going nowhere with this but it has to be attempted I suppose. School will be in tatters with a second closure. Students will be badly affected.

I think half capacity, everyone wearing masks and live streaming to those at home was the best option. Regardless of the economic ramifications. A trial of this would have let us know where we stand. I reckon 6-8 weeks and we will be closed again. Prepping for it personally.

ulsen · 01-08-2020 12:06am

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Not sure about supervision but I hope management has procured more than enough subs for this year. If subbing is your game there's a fortune to be made this year.[/QUOTE

No, not looking for subbing, but a special ed teacher. I have a feeling in my bones this is where resource / learning support teachers might be used. I guess it could go under team teaching

Leftwaffe · 01-08-2020 12:13am

ulsen wrote: »

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Not sure about supervision but I hope management has procured more than enough subs for this year. If subbing is your game there's a fortune to be made this year.[/QUOTE

No, not looking for subbing, but a special ed teacher. I have a feeling in my bones this is where resource / learning support teachers might be used. I guess it could go under team teaching

Sorry, what I said about the subbing was more of a general statement. Not aimed at you.

I think we might see a mass exodus of teachers due to this. If the plan is to be adhered to properly, it will be alien to what we know as normal. I understand that's the case in many jobs but couple it with the lack of safety then I feel a lot will call it a day.

Dave0301 · 01-08-2020 12:15am

Redordeadqwwer wrote: »

Im doing the aide in our school. Not much administration wise I'm being told, just organising classrooms, etc. Starting next week at some stage.

In regards to homework. I'm going completely paperless. We use the O365 platform so will get them to type it up or send photos via Teams. Keep them all in individual folders. Bit of work to get it started but 100% worth it when it starts flowing. Give them HW in bulk at beginning of week possibly. Should really start to nail these things down now!

If you have Teams & O365, maybe give OneNote a try? It will massively help with keeping all the work nicely structured.

mirrorwall14 · 01-08-2020 7:22am

Just bit the bullet and bought a little belt microphone/speaker as the one I’d been watching while waiting for word from school about teaching with masks went out of stock and others are going low stock. I figure worst case I’ll use it for full choir/show rehearsals

am_zarathustra · 01-08-2020 8:23am

mirrorwall14 wrote: »

Just bit the bullet and bought a little belt microphone/speaker as the one I’d been watching while waiting for word from school about teaching with masks went out of stock and others are going low stock. I figure worst case I’ll use it for full choir/show rehearsals

Would you mind sharing the link of the one you bought? Just trying to get ideas. My room is really big (brilliant now ) but I normally get the kids in older classes to sit at the front so I don't have to shout for all my classes!

mirrorwall14 · 01-08-2020 8:59am

am_zarathustra wrote: »

Would you mind sharing the link of the one you bought? Just trying to get ideas. My room is really big (brilliant now ) but I normally get the kids in older classes to sit at the front so I don't have to shout for all my classes!

This wasn’t my first choice but reviews seem ok and there’s several from teachers

Retekess PR16R Voice Amplifier with Microphone, FM Radio High Power 12W Voice Amplifier 1200mAh Rechargeable Batteries for Tour Guid, School, Super Market, Meeting, Training https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07MGL31NW/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_mdsjFbZK83C4Q

am_zarathustra · 01-08-2020 9:47am

Thanks for sharing, I think I need to order one during the week!

Alex86Eire · 01-08-2020 12:13pm

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Has anyone had it confirmed that they have lost their base room for next year?

We've been told anyway that rooms are no longer going to be teacher based. All movable furniture - shelves, cabinets etc are going to be removed and put in storage so we need to take everything that we need out of the rooms. Books, resources etc.

deiseindublin · 01-08-2020 12:20pm

Where is all this storage schools are moving everything to?

wirelessdude01 · 01-08-2020 12:22pm

deiseindublin wrote: »

Where is all this storage schools are moving everything to?

Better getting the planning in for the storage prefabs!!

maynooth_rules · 01-08-2020 2:26pm

Alex86Eire wrote: »

We've been told anyway that rooms are no longer going to be teacher based. All movable furniture - shelves, cabinets etc are going to be removed and put in storage so we need to take everything that we need out of the rooms. Books, resources etc.

I just can't get my head around this. Yes it will work fine for first years, but beyond that I can't grasp it. The kids, particularly 5th and 6th years will have different class groupings for every single class. They will be moving anyway.
And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.

Leftwaffe · 01-08-2020 3:21pm

maynooth_rules wrote: »

I just can't get my head around this. Yes it will work fine for first years, but beyond that I can't grasp it. The kids, particularly 5th and 6th years will have different class groupings for every single class. They will be moving anyway.
And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.

We're losing base classes but I'm not sure whether it's teachers only that will be moving or students as well. Hvae yet to hear the rational behind it. Leaving hem unattended is simply not an option, a disaster waiting to happen.

F5500 · 01-08-2020 3:43pm

maynooth_rules wrote: »

And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.

Depends on the type of students you're dealing with.

95% of schools would be fine, probably. The other 5% would see young lads pucking the heads off each other or firing desks/chairs about.

DubLad69 · 01-08-2020 3:54pm

F5500 wrote: »

Depends on the type of students you're dealing with.

95% of schools would be fine, probably. The other 5% would see young lads pucking the heads off each other or firing desks/chairs about.

I disagree. All schools have bullying, the ones that refuse and claim that there is no bullying are often the worst. Those vulnerable students that are often bullied will be most vulnerable during this time. They could be left unsupervised for up to 40 minutes per day.

Would it be okay to leave a class alone for a full period? That's also 40 minutes

rainbowtrout · 01-08-2020 4:19pm

maynooth_rules wrote: »

I just can't get my head around this. Yes it will work fine for first years, but beyond that I can't grasp it. The kids, particularly 5th and 6th years will have different class groupings for every single class. They will be moving anyway.
And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.

Once you get beyond core subjects in first year they are mixing for all of their choice subjects anyway. Also are the 1As gonna be told they can’t talk to the 1Bs at break.

Having base rooms for students won’t make a blind bit of difference. They will be mixed for some subjects regardless

DubLad69 · 01-08-2020 4:39pm

Is anyone considering being the LWR? Our school hasn't asked about that or the Aide yet.

Considering doing the LWR, more so because I don't think anyone else in my school would be willing to without being pressured into it.

Alex86Eire · 01-08-2020 4:54pm

deiseindublin wrote: »

Where is all this storage schools are moving everything to?

I think our school is getting some kind of storage crates and putting them in the yard. All movable furniture will be placed here in two weeks time.

wirelessdude01 · 01-08-2020 5:03pm

Alex86Eire wrote: »

I think our school is getting some kind of storage crates and putting them in the yard. All movable furniture will be placed here in two weeks time.

Think the poster meant where are they being moved to? Can't exactly just be left out in the yard for the winter!!!

Alex86Eire · 01-08-2020 5:05pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Think the poster meant where are they being moved to? Can't exactly just be left out in the yard for the winter!!!

Sorry maybe storage crates wasn't the correct term. Storage unit maybe? Like a corrugated iron shed type thing.

wirelessdude01 · 01-08-2020 5:07pm

Alex86Eire wrote: »

Sorry maybe storage crates wasn't the correct term. Storage unit maybe? Like a corrugated iron shed type thing.

Ahh, that makes more sense.

r93kaey5p2izun · 01-08-2020 5:07pm

Alex86Eire wrote: »

Sorry maybe storage crates wasn't the correct term. Storage unit maybe? Like a corrugated iron shed type thing.

Containers. Like football teams have in the park.

Random sample · 01-08-2020 5:12pm

We had to put all of our stuff into storage a few years ago when the roof was retiled. A lot of boxes when missing and never turned up. I will be bringing everything home with me.

DubLad69 · 01-08-2020 5:15pm

Random sample wrote: »

We had to put all of our stuff into storage a few years ago when the roof was retiled. A lot of boxes when missing and never turned up. I will be bringing everything home with me.

Same. Anything that I own will be removed from the classroom from clocks to posters, stools, whiteboard cleaners. I will be bringing it all home to keep it safe until I have my classroom back.

It will be a very bare looking room.

TheValeyard · 01-08-2020 5:43pm

DubLad69 wrote: »

Same. Anything that I own will be removed from the classroom from clocks to posters, stools, whiteboard cleaners. I will be bringing it all home to keep it safe until I have my classroom back.

It will be a very bare looking room.

Going in next week to remove everything from the walls. I'll be taking all my extra books and resources to storage (attic) until things settle back down.

Why?

1. Stuff will be stolen
2. Stuff will go missing
3. Stuff will get damaged.

Easier to keep is at home for now.

TheValeyard · 01-08-2020 5:46pm

maynooth_rules wrote: »

And what could go wrong with leaving kids in a room for 3 or 4 minutes while the teachers move around.

My 6th year history class.... Nothing they will work away.

My 5th year LCA class.... The room could literally be on fire.

Bananaleaf · 01-08-2020 8:48pm

DubLad69 wrote: »

I disagree. All schools have bullying, the ones that refuse and claim that there is no bullying are often the worst. Those vulnerable students that are often bullied will be most vulnerable during this time. They could be left unsupervised for up to 40 minutes per day.

Would it be okay to leave a class alone for a full period? That's also 40 minutes

I'd be seriously concerned about vulnerable students being left in unsupervised classes - this is a huge no no for me.

That said, I've concerns about masked youths in uniforms all descending on the corridors at once - as far as CCTV or the watchful eye of a teacher is concerned, by looking identical and unidentifiable, they'll have never been as anonymous as they will be now :eek:

Even if we forget about the bullying for just a second and pretend that we only have, at worst, messers.

When kids find themselves unexpectedly unsupervised for 5mins, it's usually 'grand'. Any messing they do is opportunistic and in the moment. But this is a whole different ball game. Students will know in advance of coming to school (never mind class) that they will have unsupervised time in the class.

I went to a school where the students had base rooms and the teachers moved. Kids came armed to the teeth with projectiles in their bags for when teacher was gone. It wasn't all of us doing it and it wasn't being done all of the time, but it was still an uncomfortable enough experience for me to remember it well, 20 years later, and I'd consider myself hardy enough.

linguist · 02-08-2020 3:36pm

Just want to raise an issue I believe is staring us in the face even though not all principals are the same by any means.

Many Irish schools are very hierarchical in their management structure. Senior management 'consults' with AP1s/AP2s (who will sometimes tell you all that means is they're told first) prior to communicating with the rank and file. How many principals operate behind a traffic light system where you press a button on the door or similar and more often than not it's red? How many others basically use the office staff as their guard dogs? You can't get into the principal's office as it involves going into the secretary's office where you literally hit a brick wall.

Now obviously we're to have a lead worker representative but again we can expect some of the usual staff room big beasts to be lining up for that post where arguably one of the single most important qualities required is that the LWR be someone that everyone on staff feels entirely comfortable approaching from the most humble PME student or first year RPT right up to the APs. The LWR, in turn, must have the necessary self-confidence to tell it straight to management and report back warts and all to the staff.

One of my big fears is that the barricaded away principal so many of us are familiar with represents the single greatest danger to a safe reopening of our schools. The whole culture needs to change overnight to one where everyone can speak up about matters arising for everyone's safety. Put simply, the principal's door needs to be open for at least the first couple of months because the LWR is only going to get 2 hours off their timetable so often matters arising will have to go straight to the principal or deputy principal.

am_zarathustra · 02-08-2020 4:26pm

This is so true. The varience in principals is startling. I took some comfort in the fact the LWR is an elected position. In our school I can guarantee the person or people we elect will not be who the principal wants. Ability to insist on meetings and relationship with all staff members should be to the fore of all of our minds

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