Anti-vaxxers

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Dispiriting but not surprising. If you're prone to one type of toxic nonsense then it stands to reason that you'd accept the lizard people guff, the 5G twaddle or the anti-masker with little hesitation as well.

I definitely believe the cohort of such individuals is growing on a very worrying basis in Ireland.

Igotadose wrote: »

An interesting read on what happens when a Covid-19 vaccine actually becomes available. The article is focused on 'who gets it when' and is a bit tongue-in-cheek, but I found these two early paragraphs enlightening:
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The supply of a new COVID-19 vaccine is limited by many factors – regulatory review (yes, the FDA and other regulatory agencies must approve the manufacturing facilities for new drugs after the company receives approval to market their drugs), manufacturing bottlenecks, the number of doses required for “immunity,” and distributions problems, especially the need to store these vaccines at extremely low temperatures (no, your home refrigerator won’t get that cold).

In fact, that last point is something that everyone overlooks – your average physician does not have the ultra-low temperature freezers, usually only hospitals and major health departments. And they aren’t cheap. Furthermore, vaccines just don’t show up at a physician’s office or hospital directly from Big Pharma – they are delivered by a massive distributor network that may not have delivery vehicles that can properly store the vaccines as they drive their trucks across the deserts of Arizona in October.

This isn’t just an issue in the USA, it’s across the world. People magically believe that once a vaccine is approved it will suddenly be available to hundreds of millions of people. Nothing could be further from the truth."

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/coronavirus-vaccine-priority-list-if-i-were-elected-the-emperor-of-vaccines/

The very low temperatures are only needed for certain types of vaccines. Classical vaccines need only be stored at 4oC, and these will form most of the supply when they are approved. So it is misleading to say that very specilized storage will be needed for Coronavirus vaccines, this will be rarely be the case

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

A third of the world's population live in India and China where vaccines are made. So a few days by road or rail gets you to a third of the worlds population. Other vaccine production areas are near major population centres too.


How big is a single dose if you remove all the retail packaging ?

1g each works out at 1Kg per 1,000 and a tonne per million doses.
One cargo 747 could manage 100 tonnes.

Refrigeration is easier if you use refrigerated containers.

And there's still time to figure it out.

The article I linked references IATA, and they probably know what they’re talking about!
It’s a massive operation, and as IATA point out, we need to start planing for it now.

You can’t just remove all the packaging - most of the weight of a vaccine is the vial, and you can’t just leave that out. You might get typically 5-10 doses per vial, depending on what the formulation ends up at. That doesn’t include any of the outer packing, which is mandatory for air transport.
Not every aircraft can carry refrigerated ULDs. They also need regulatory approval for carriage.
Other than refrigerated ULDs, you are relying on dry ice for refrigeration, and that is quantity (and time) limited on aircraft.
I’ve no experience in road transport, but for example aircraft refrigerated UKDs are self contained battery operated, if similar are used for road/rail transport, will the refrigeration last for days? I don’t know, but it might not be as straight forward as loading it up and putting it on a train for a 10 day trip across for example continental Russia, or 5 days across China. In any case, the IATA estimation was based on 50% of the supply needing air carraige.

You will not get anything even remotely approaching 100 tonnes of vaccine on a 747 - it will bulk out long before getting anywhere near that.

There are huge supply chain issues involved here - there is also apparently a global shortage in the glass vials used for vaccines - those in the industry reckon it could take years to even make enough vials!

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-glass-vial-shortage-could-delay-global-rollout-2020-5%3famp

Looks like the h1n1 narcolepsy cases will finally be settled. They will receive a long list of benefits as well as the compensation payout. The Irish taxpayer will have a big bill coming their way. I imagine it will cost at least 200 million, probably a lot more.

eagle eye wrote: »

These people should have to wear something that identifies them to the public.
In this day and age they are such a health risk.

How are people with narcolepsy a health risk to others?