What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/1364418553336758273?s=19

Excuse the language, but it is ****ing outrageous that senators and members of Congress are still out there, pushing the big lie.

People have literally died, and yet they double down and keep lying, making the chances of more people suffering even higher.

I am relieved Pelosi and Pence avoided the mob, but i cannot help but wonder what would have happened if they came to harm. Would the vote to confirm the results be the same? Would they still be pushing the lie after the inauguration?

Leroy42 wrote: »

I just find it really strange that he is now basically calling the SCOTUS as some sort of Democrat led politically driven partisan hack job.

SCOTUS picks were basically his crowning achievement. He really did little else that made a positive difference to anyone.

And yet here he is, saying that he elected people to SCOTUS that are puppets of the Democrats! If that is true that hasn't he single handledly handed over the SCOTUS to Democrats?

How can his supporters read that statement and think that he is the man to get back in charge?

Because he has cultivated a god like persona for the disaffected / forgotten / bigoted / racist / simplistic / introverted / far right / evangelical cohort of the US electorate and like any cult style leader his followers are mesmerised and slavishly follow his pronouncements without question or critique.

When you (Dems and Republicans) have allowed a massively polarised society to emerge with huge swaths of un or under educated citizens who feel excluded and genuinely believe they have nothing to lose you only have yourself to blame when someone eventually comes along and taps into that disaffection by telling them they are loved, that they are the real America, that he will fight for them to make their lives better and that XXX (choose your target group from Mexicans to Dems to Antifa to Environmental campaigners to China etc) are to blame for their situation etc etc.

Combined inaction by the Dems and Republicans to create a more fair and balanced society over decades is to blame for the macro problem. Trump has and is taking advantage of it.

54and56 wrote: »

Because he has cultivated a god like persona for the disaffected / forgotten / bigoted / racist / simplistic / introverted / far right / evangelical cohort of the US electorate and like any cult style leader his followers are mesmerised and slavishly follow his pronouncements without question or critique.

When you (Dems and Republicans) have allowed a massively polarised society to emerge with huge swaths of un or under educated citizens who feel excluded and genuinely believe they have nothing to lose you only have yourself to blame when someone eventually comes along and taps into that disaffection by telling them they are loved, that they are the real America, that he will fight for them to make their lives better and that XXX (choose your target group from Mexicans to Dems to Antifa to Environmental campaigners to China etc) are to blame for their situation etc etc.

Combined inaction by the Dems and Republicans to create a more fair and balanced society over decades is to blame for the macro problem. Trump has and is taking advantage of it.

Same idiots that believe in the American Dream, an idea almost a century out of date. They believe Trump is the epitome of the American dream when he is in fact the exact opposite, with every opportunity possible given to him by accident of birth.

When I grew up in the 80s America was the place to go, exciting, flashy, outlandish. In the few decades since its become a bit of a laughing stock on the world stage with most people admitting that they wouldn't want to live there. Some fall from grace in such a timeframe.

Leroy42 wrote: »

I just find it really strange that he is now basically calling the SCOTUS as some sort of Democrat led politically driven partisan hack job.

SCOTUS picks were basically his crowning achievement. He really did little else that made a positive difference to anyone.

And yet here he is, saying that he elected people to SCOTUS that are puppets of the Democrats! If that is true that hasn't he single handledly handed over the SCOTUS to Democrats?

How can his supporters read that statement and think that he is the man to get back in charge?

Its just his pathetic mindset with his three nominations of "I gave you those jobs, so every case that comes to you, you vote on my side!". Which is even more ironic as its the kind of "political swamp" he was going to drain in his election promises, and yet his voters pivot 180 and follow his mental outburst.

Muahahaha wrote: »

On his taxes we already had a leak from the NYT before the election, iirc he paid a total of $750 in one tax year and nothing in others. So either his businesses are shipping serious losses or he has been deflating the value of them to the IRS. Neither scenario is good for him.

His speech on Sunday to CPAC should be good for a laugh. Im expecting him to go full Trump and ramble on for more than an hour about the stolen election. Its also been reported he plans to tell the conference that he is the presumptive nominee for 2024.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/22/trump-cpac-republican-presumptive-2024-nominee

A survey of Republican voters a few days ago asked who they want on the 2024 ticket-
Trump- 59%
Don Jnr 6%
Nikki Haley 6%

So this is still very much the Trump show, at least for the time being.

Trump will run again if he can, but I can't imagine the speeches being as firey and the campaigning being as relentless. At some point, being in one's mid-70s has to show.

Although Trump is still very popular among Republican voters, he's also even more unpopular with the rest of the country. That's a problem for his reelection. Another problem is he is now a known quantity and there'd be few, if any, voters who'll say 'what the hell?' and take a punt on him. Another problem is that Trump probably won't admit to any wrongdoing in his first 4 years and so he would run on a platform of doing exactly what he did in his first term, pretty much,even though that's what got him voted out.

What it would come down to would be who runs against Trump. This is Trump's great hope. Neither of the current likelihoods look that great. Biden would be in his early 80s by that point, and hadn't he only intended to serve one term? Kamala would be Hillary MK.II in terms of her going "I'm a woman, yay!" and courting progressive causes. I could see the Dem base being divided upon this. The only saving grace would be that they may get over that and ally with independents to keep Trump out.

Leroy42 wrote: »

If Biden does a reasonable job, if he can at least start to tackle some of the issues facing Americans, then a continuation through Harris won't be seen as a bad thing, except for those that see her being a woman first and most importantly that being a bad thing.

Nothing to do with her being a woman, and it wasn't anything to do with Hillary being a woman in 2016, either (I think Hillary's big negative was being seen as a total Washington insider). My concern is more the perception of Kamala as being a progressive in a country that leans to the right and the danger of alienating people by going too hard on that platform. Just before the 2020 election she put out a tweet about equity, which got a good deal of pushback. I don't find the sentiment all that controversial, but I can see how moderates in the States would be cocking an eyebrow.

everlast75 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1364949708142116864?s=19

Can't wait for the leaks to begin....

Ehh. This is for a grand jury. It's going to be very tightly sewn up. In fact, if the GJ decides to indict, #IMPOTUS can stop that via plea bargain before anything goes public.

And, it won't be fast. Next year at the earliest for some resolution.

everlast75 wrote: »

Beyond parody

https://twitter.com/NumbersMuncher/status/1365145292706832387?s=19

And the QGOP eejits not masking in the lobby. Yet another super-spreader brought to you by the #IMPOTUS and his QGOP toadies.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1365311249261727751?s=19

Cretinous Prejudiced Appalling C****s

https://twitter.com/DJJudd/status/1365416103749509129?s=19

Still trying to pull the strings...

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Some people steal a living looking for anything they can use. Other people consume and regurgitate any old garbage handed to them.

"Physician, heal thyself"

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Sorry. I wasnt attacking the poster. I mean these people like the Jacobsen guy who make their money looking for things like the above. They post it online and hope that their followers will spread it and bring them attention.

I'm not bad mouthing the poster or I didn't mean to

But it’s true, so I’m not sure what your point is. Especially considering many of his followers do carry around flags and other items containing Nazi memorabilia.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Because the content is plain silly.

The messenger (Jacobsen) deserves to be ridiculed

How many coincidences does it take to become a dog whistle?

54and56 wrote: »

Because he has cultivated a god like persona for the disaffected / forgotten / bigoted / racist / simplistic / introverted / far right / evangelical cohort of the US electorate and like any cult style leader his followers are mesmerised and slavishly follow his pronouncements without question or critique.

When you (Dems and Republicans) have allowed a massively polarised society to emerge with huge swaths of un or under educated citizens who feel excluded and genuinely believe they have nothing to lose you only have yourself to blame when someone eventually comes along and taps into that disaffection by telling them they are loved, that they are the real America, that he will fight for them to make their lives better and that XXX (choose your target group from Mexicans to Dems to Antifa to Environmental campaigners to China etc) are to blame for their situation etc etc.

Combined inaction by the Dems and Republicans to create a more fair and balanced society over decades is to blame for the macro problem. Trump has and is taking advantage of it.

Have you seen trumps supporters? Nothing introverted about them. Loud and obnoxious is closer to the truth

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I doubt stupid people would know the meaning of the symbol, notice the symbol from that angle or be capable of putting it all together.

So on this occasion I find the possibility be a negative.

Do you think the when they were collaborating and planning the stage design with the appropriate company that someone on the staff said in the meeting " let's try fit in a white supremacy or nazi symbol if possible " ?

I think that entirely possibly. His supporters may be stupid but they do seem to like their symbology. To suggest that his supporters wouldn't recognise it is ignoring the reality of who they are. Why else pick that particular design?

Speculation that Trump will announce today but I don't think he'll do it for a while yet. Bit too early imo.

AllForIt wrote: »

Speculation that Trump will announce today but I don't think he'll do it for a while yet. Bit too early imo.

Announce what? His tax returns?

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I think we will just have to agree to disagree on this

It is not a question of disagreeing. You have dismissed the possibility because it makes you incomfortable. Perhaps have a think about why you so readily dismissed the possibility.

extra gravy wrote: »

Probably best to wait until all the lawsuits are over, he'll be in jail by then with any luck.

Or bankrupt.

martingriff wrote: »

I don't think the Republican party would want that at this time.

The Republican party has no control over what is happening.
This CPAC is all but a Trump branded event. With the way McCarthy, Graham and McConnell have acquiesced to the concept of him remaining in power and with the secondary level 'influencers' of Cruz, Hawley, Rubio, DeSantis etc all still firmly in his camp, I think they are merely clinging on to the back of the Republican bus which he has hijacked.

Maybe it is all just a ploy knowing that his health, legal concerns or other will remove him eventually and then they can claim to this 74M voters that they were on board with him.

I think there has been an attempt to try to push Don Jr forward as a viable candidate but apparently his speech this week didn't come across so well and he is a PR nightmare to this point, but, his father wasn't much different. I reckon Ivanka will also come out of this with the support of the Republican party behind her when she attempts to take office somewhere before her inevitable run for the big one.

All very very interesting to see evolve even if there is a underlying sense of despair and negativity that these charlatans could advance so much in plain sight.

GOP: "uh oh, we 'accidentally' did racism, AGAIN"