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new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

  • 22-01-2020 12:57am
    #1
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    this is one to watch methinks, its in the americas now and can be transmitted person to person.
    is this the big plague or even a precursor to it.
    any budding virologist here got some links or info for us?

    Mod warning 19/02/20
    Beasty wrote: »
    OK, time to step in with some mod instructions:

    1. Please interact in a civil manner
    2. Do not tell others what to do, or what to post
    3. If you have a problem with a post report it and leave the modding to the mods

    In terms of thread content:

    4. Treat everything you read here with caution. Anything posted is from an anonymous internet poster. You cannot assume anyone has any "specialist" knowledge whatever they claim
    5. Statistics are important to some (and I personally pay a lot of attention to them), but they are of very little use to anyone who is already caught up in this, or indeed knows of people who are caught up
    6. Terms such as "sinus", "airborne", "aerosol" have little relevance at this time in this jurisdiction. Ultimately though if cases are discovered in Ireland please pay attention to the relevant authorities and what they advise/recommend, and not some randomer(s) on the internet

    All the above is me talking as a complete layman on the subject. Like everything in this thread do not treat it as chapter and verse, beyond paying attention to items 1-3 above

    Any questions please PM me - do not try and dissect this post in-thread

    Warning added 24/02/20
    Last time it was a "suggestion"/request

    Now it's an instruction

    Stop all the tit for tat stuff on the stats. None of us are in full possession of the facts and none of us can draw any "definitive" conclusions. Bottom line. It's serious. Not serious in Ireland at this stage, but may become so. Anyone caught up in this is not going to take much solace from any stats however they are complied

    Any questions PM me - do not respond to this warning in-thread


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  • #2
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Watch out for them canvassers. Keep the door bolted, and the attack dog on standby.


  • #3
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    might put a sign on gate "beware of inflection (sic)"
    they'll dimly presume something diseasey


  • #4
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    LaFuton wrote: »
    might put a sign on gate "beware of inflection (sic)"
    they'll dimly presume something diseasey

    Especially that of a Cavan origin.


  • #5
    KungPao
    Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭KungPao


    I hear Madagascar has shut down all its ports.


  • #6
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Especially that of a Cavan origin.

    with Meathesque mutation


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  • #7
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    KungPao wrote: »
    I hear Madagascar has shut down all its ports.

    really? wow. we are not gonna hear much about this on rte.


  • #8
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    new virus might be from bats...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/118956298/are-bats-to-blame-for-chinas-new-virus


  • #9
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    KungPao wrote: »
    I hear Madagascar has shut down all its ports.

    It’s a Pandemic (2)!!


  • #10
    KungPao
    Registered Users Posts: 4,784 ✭✭✭KungPao


    LaFuton wrote: »
    really? wow. we are not gonna hear much about this on rte.

    The mainstream media won’t carry this. Governments around the world now trying to limit the panic.


  • #11
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    cases in thailand and japan


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  • #12
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    KungPao wrote: »
    The mainstream media won’t carry this. Governments around the world now trying to limit the panic.

    just saw on RT chinese president jingping said on their national tv that it is very serious.

    they're not burying or misdirecting it


  • #13
    Borgo
    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭Borgo


    Stick to the Corona Light sure ye be grand


  • #14
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    KungPao wrote: »
    The mainstream media won’t carry this. Governments around the world now trying to limit the panic.

    The silence is deafening.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/health/wuhan-coronavirus-first-us-case-cdc-bn/index.html
    https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-what-to-know-about-the-mysterious-illness
    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/1st-case-coronavirus-china-confirmed-u-s-n1119486
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51194651
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/officials-confirm-case-coronavirus-200121192504190.html


  • #15
    Beeping Kitchen Appliances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Beeping Kitchen Appliances


    Every few years we have a terrifying, apocalyptic pandemic. Will always turn out to be nothing (until it turns out to be something)


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ipso wrote: »
    The silence is deafening.
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/21/health/wuhan-coronavirus-first-us-case-cdc-bn/index.html
    https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-what-to-know-about-the-mysterious-illness
    https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/1st-case-coronavirus-china-confirmed-u-s-n1119486
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51194651
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/01/officials-confirm-case-coronavirus-200121192504190.html

    Yup, the mainstream media have buried the story without a trace. Here's Infowars with the facts:main-qimg-45e6a254494d86adb6c0e6f5de36d7da-c.jpg


  • #17
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,641 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    I knew that group The Coronas were up to no good. :D:D

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #18
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    The WHO are set to meet later today and discuss it (does not curently advise travel restrictions at this time {not sure why}).

    This emergency meeting on Wednesday will discuss whether the virus constitutes a public-health emergency, and whether any further steps are needed to prevent it from becoming a global epidemic.
    Likely a bit too late for that.

    China's own CDC folks want people to stay in Wuhan, to prevent 2019-ncov spreading further.
    Tricky thing is, the Chinese lunar new year is underway (massive travel demands).
    Bear in mind LHR has something like x3 daily 18hr direct flights to Wuhan.

    On the plus side some say it's not as bad as SARS, which itself wasn't that bad on the grand scheme of things.
    Anyway off to dust off the UVC 100w headtorch to blast the virus to bits, upon any near contact.


  • #19
    mikhail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    On the plus side some say it's not as bad as SARS, which itself wasn't that bad on the grand scheme of things.
    Flu kills 100 or so people in Ireland annually. This thing has killed three people globally. It's important that the epidemiologists watch it carefully and take their preventative measures, but the sky isn't falling just yet.


  • #20
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Borgo wrote: »
    Stick to the Corona Light sure ye be grand
    the amount of Guinness drinkers infected: nil

    stats dont lie


  • #21
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    mikhail wrote: »
    Flu kills 100 or so people in Ireland annually. This thing has killed three people globally. It's important that the epidemiologists watch it carefully and take their preventative measures, but the sky isn't falling just yet.

    Indeed SARS only took out 800 and was headline news for years.
    Still enough of a concern for WHO to have a get together later today.
    Pneumonia can effect young healthy people as well as the infirm.


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  • #22
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,762 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    mikhail wrote: »
    Flu kills 100 or so people in Ireland annually. This thing has killed three people globally.

    it's killed 6, so far. and its only just started


  • #23
    Beeping Kitchen Appliances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 51 ✭✭Beeping Kitchen Appliances


    The Who and the Coronas. Anyone else confirmed yet?


  • #24
    mikhail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    it's killed 6, so far. and its only just started
    Wow. Six people. I suspect my grandmother's cooking killed more. There are 11.08 million people in Wuhan. Well, 11.079994 now. Let's all panic.


  • #25
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    mikhail wrote: »
    Wow. Six people. I suspect my grandmother's cooking killed more. There are 11.08 million people in Wuhan. Well, 11.079994 now. Let's all panic.
    Only a few hundred (so far) have been infected so far (according to officals there).

    If it causes pneumonia, and then doesn't respond to antibiotic treatment (as is the case currently), then in terms of mortality (like SARS) may kill 10% of individuals who contract it.

    SARS infected about 8,000 and killed 800. Any 'panic' from Wuhan's side (not here), and embargo on flights there-from, might not be a bad thing at all.


  • #26
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Beeping Kitchen Appliances wrote: »
    Every few years we have a terrifying, apocalyptic pandemic. Will always turn out to be nothing (until it turns out to be something)

    Its been over 100 years since the Spanish flu came back with the soldiers after World War One.


  • #27
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,762 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    Evolution of Swine Influenza A/H1N1(2009) in Canada

    e171ab9861f3ebec82cd4ded9de5668e.png


  • #28
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    When you fly into Japan or Korea, they have sophisticated passenger temperature screening devices that one walks through immediately after dismembarkment for flights from high-risk countries. Indeed, the case in Korea was picked up at the airport and the individual was quarantined. They've had such systems since SARS and countries like these should be ok with controlling the spread.

    Chinese New year is starting this week, hundreds of millions of Chinese traveling at home to abroad. If the government had any sense, they'd shut-down travel out of Wuhan; but I doubt they will.


  • #29
    skooterblue2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    mikhail wrote: »
    Let's all panic.

    Meanwhile fund and Asset managers are shorting invents while Deutsche Bank are telling you there are no end to the good times in sight.


  • #30
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    The WHO are set to meet later today and discuss it (does not curently advise travel restrictions at this time {not sure why}).

    I'm gonna make a judgement call here... but any band that coined the lyrics "hope I die before I get old" probably doesn't have the best interests of every demographic covered on this one! ;)

    I would defo give this bad boy to the rolling stones instead... those chaps don't look like they're ever going to die tbh! Give old mick a call instead... he'll know what to do! :pac:

    I'll get me coat... :P


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  • #31
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    LaFuton wrote: »
    any budding virologist here got some links or info for us?

    Follow @HelenBranswell on twitter.


  • #32
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Legacy Better Explosion wrote: »
    The WHO are set to meet later today

    6pm our time.

    I expect them to declare a public health emergency of international concern. Expect travel advisories and increased screening at airports following the announcement.


  • #33
    saintsaltynuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭saintsaltynuts


    Beeping Kitchen Appliances wrote: »
    The Who and the Coronas. Anyone else confirmed yet?

    Ye China Crisis and The Killers.


  • #34
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Well, I am staying right where I am. on this small island. Safest place.

    The possibilities are scary.


  • #35
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    saintsaltynuts wrote: »
    Ye China Crisis and The Killers.

    And Anthrax.


  • #36
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,651 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Well, I am staying right where I am. on this small island. Safest place.

    The possibilities are scary.

    Not to worry Grace.

    No puny virus could survive the harsh conditions of your island.


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  • #37
    Graces7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    I know! Great! lol...


    QUOTE=igCorcaigh;112321625]Not to worry Grace.

    No puny virus could survive the harsh conditions of your island.[/QUOTE]


  • #38
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    Chinese officials now urging people not to enter or leave Wuhan. Not sure what good this will do around Chinese New Year unless they cancel trains and flights.

    Absolute worst time of year for this to break-out, literally hundreds of millions will be on the move around China. 440m journeys on the national railway network alone.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-china-51202000


  • #39
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Time to read World War z.


  • #40
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,762 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    just saw a comment on a reddit thread:
    China had said 90 people, and then three people showed up in other countries with the disease and epidemiologists said that, statistically, in order to have three random foreigners have it the number of infections would have to be closer to 1400.

    China then said that 400 people were sick.

    17 dead, 540 confirmed cases now


  • #41
    TuringBot47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 991 ✭✭✭TuringBot47


    Feck... not sure if I'll risk the Chinese takeaway this weekend now.


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  • #42
    RebelButtMunch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,385 ✭✭✭RebelButtMunch


    Quantum Erasure wrote: »
    just saw a comment on a reddit thread:



    17 dead, 540 confirmed cases now

    Still not as bad as current Ebola outbreak.


  • #43
    ebbsy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,978 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    TuringBot47 wrote: »
    Feck... not sure if I'll risk the Chinese takeaway this weekend now.

    Not even the fly lice ?


  • #44
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,762 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    RebelButtMunch wrote: »
    Still not as bad as current Ebola outbreak.

    give it time, reports that it's mutating now, first confirmed case in Russia also


  • #45
    Dick phelan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,497 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    Im in China right now!, No doubt this will spread with Chinese New Year, hundreds of millions of people moving around over the next few days. Hopefully it's not too bad, for context plenty die of the flu every year at the moment this doesn't seem much worse but if it mutates it could be a different story.


  • #46
    Hego Damask
    Registered Users Posts: 842 ✭✭✭Hego Damask


    Always China , why is it always in China this crap starts ?


  • #47
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,733 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    For people interested in worst case societal breakdown scenarios, as written by SciFi writers, might I recommend the author John Ringo.
    > The Last Centurion
    > Black Tide Rising series

    From a non-fiction historical perspective there is the excellent "The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic in History" by John M. Barry


  • #48
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    china still cool!


  • #49
    4068ac1elhodqr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,586 ✭✭✭4068ac1elhodqr


    Press conference (WHO) delayed to 7pm GMT

    Thought (earlier) LHR had x3 daily (direct) flights to Wuhan, but it's only x3 per week.
    One such flight just landed about an hour ago, ideally they can be put into isolation even for a very short period, before jumping on the nearest tube/taxi/bus.

    Edit: (DfH): The captains of the planes flying to Heathrow will have to radio ahead to confirm if anyone board is showing symptoms of the illness. Passengers will be met in a separate part of the airport to other travelers and will be greeted by a Port Health team who will check for symptoms.


  • #50
    Bobblehats
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,707 ✭✭✭Bobblehats


    Ipso wrote: »
    Time to read World War z.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OL8qUr1kPo


  • #51
    archer22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Oh well the dangers of meat eating I guess Bird flu, Swine flu, mad cow disease etc.

    Nobody ever got Potato Flu, Apple Flu or mad Carrot disease :)


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