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27-10-2003, 13:12   #1
 
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Editing programs

I suppose I'll get the ball rolling and ask what's the best A/V editing software. I have an interest in this area but the software I've used have been very limited, with just basic cut and paste options.
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28-10-2003, 16:23   #2
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I've used Adobe Premier 6.5 for knocking up a couple of family wedding videos. Its got a bit of a learning curve but well work it in the end.

The good points are -
1) multi channel control of audio & video.
This is very powerful as it allows you to have up to 3 tracks of video (& 3 of audio) and placing tracing transitions is real easy

2) transitions - lots of and loads of plugins around
Also performs realtime rendering of the tranistions. Makes working on the video really easy

3) Titler - really nifty, fair few themes to choose (like wedding )

4) Sound editing - really easy & logical to get your head around. Great for effects and fades.

5) Can drag and drop a load of photos onto a video channel. Premier will render them by showing each for a few secs.

Bad points -
1) no auto detect of scenes. This might be added in the latest version (pro).

2) not great support for dvd - you get a lite version of some crappy dvd creator product - best off get your own for this.

3) Slow conversion from DV to Mpeg 2 (for DVD)
Note you can improve this by downloading an updated encoder from the third party that Adobe use - for free

I've only really scratched the surface from an amatuer perspective - but a great product to use. And the gotcha - 700 bucks - lot of money - have a go at the eval version of ye are curious.


IF you're into something a bit more lightweight you could try Dell Movie Studio Plus. My mate got it with his Dell. Full of wizards and hand holding - good for simple quick stuff.
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How easy is it to do more then just transitions? can you merge areas of two video streams and continue playing etc?

Been thinking about trying my hand at a 3 minute extreme-sports video for Boards.


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have a mac? get final cut pro, or express. costly though.
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Just like the MAC itself. Don't waste your money. Windows is almost as good as Mac OS and the PC hardware is easily as good if not better. I won't lie - the MAC is probably better for Video Editing [final cut pro is a great program as far as I can see] but the PC can do it without much hassle at all and costs about a quarter of the price. If you're willing to pay through the nose go for the MAC though.

I've used Adobe Premiere 6.5 myself and found it excellent in most areas except, as said, DVD production, but you should get your own solution for that anyway. It's a video editing product primarily and its transitions and the ability to overlay is all I want because I am a beginner. I still believe that you can do all the pro stuff on a pc. If I am wrong then I apologise to all you MAC users out there.
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Pinnacle Edition (Pro) is the donkey's whatsits, for a few nicker under a grand (with AGP card) or 600 blib (without). The DVD editing and burning part is very solid and all integrated nicely.
Looks a lot prettier than Premiere 6.x too, though I haven't seen Premiere Pro yet.
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I'm sure you're right davil. I use a 500 mhz iMac with Final cut Pro, it does fine although the renders take frickin ages to do. Make sure you have a bitch fast computer with a hefty chunk of RAM, although I hear that the later versions of FCP have behind the scenes rendering.

What exactly do you mean by merging two streams DeV?
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well basically I'd like to do a bit more then the "Wedding Video" style transitions between one bit of video and the next.... I was thinking about playing around with some special effects and what have you. you know freezing things in the background and having only the foreground move or overlaying one bit of video onto part of the other.... etc ("masks" is that what they are called?)

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You mean like blue screen type thing? Cut out a person walking from a scene in a street and paste the person onto a mountain side with a snowboarder screaming towards him? Or a square of footage within a square of footage? If it is the former then I think that would be tricky to do on FCP although I have the old version, if it is the latter I don't think it should be a problem. I'll startup FCP in a day or so when I get settled into my new place (I found a flat), but give me a more exact idea of what you mean, I can't quite visualise what you are talking about.

Or maybe someone else would be better to answer this. Btw Dustaz should be a fount of knowledge on this board.
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green screen stuff is called Chroma Key (or just Keying). Done easily in Premiere. For video overlays, easy, as far as I can see - using the different video tracks - and also you can define masks (in photoshop) and use them. have a read here http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ashley.mid..._tutorial7.htm

On the note of dvd production - I had a play around with Adobe Encode - again bula bos for Adobe, an absolute winner of a program - very powerful and easy to pick up. You can create menus and burn dvd's in a couple of mins. Lots of pro level stuff like region encoding and macrovison - you know the stuff we all dislike
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Adobe Premiere is my personal favorite, and when used in conjuntion with Sound Forge, Adobe After Effects and Photoshop it's pretty much capable of anything.

We use Avid in college with the beta decks and I don't like it even half as much.
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Multilayer action

Is a bit out of your league there devore. I know the stuff you mean, and that roams into seriously expensive kit, and serious amounts of time.
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Originally posted by DeVore
well basically I'd like to do a bit more then the "Wedding Video" style transitions between one bit of video and the next.... I was thinking about playing around with some special effects and what have you. you know freezing things in the background and having only the foreground move or overlaying one bit of video onto part of the other.... etc ("masks" is that what they are called?)

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you need an avid, mate.

Avid

For the serious amateur, I think they've a free version of a basic cutter, but the professional software is awesome.

It is THE industry standard.

I've been using it for about 10 years and haven't used anything even vaguely comparable in terms of ease of use and capabilities.

I would suggest that you learn the skills of editing first before ploughing into effects work, you'll only get blinded by technology and won't be sufficiently aware of narrative thread etc etc. Effects work will inevitably look sh1t if it's created on cheap/nasty software.

Brush up on your cutting, then think about effects.

Dustaz will corroborate.

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Hmm... mostly solid info, but would like to add a few things.

Premiere doesn't limit itself to just 3 video and 3 audio tracks. You can add more if needed. I wouldn't touch the thing if it had only 3.

If you're mentioning Avid in terms of being an industry standard and in a league of its own, you gotta mention Discreets uber-expensive editing packages also (Combustion, Fire, etc). They're beginning to take over from Avid in a lot of film houses and definitely have a strong grasp in the industry nowadays.

Nothing too important, but those points just niggled me a little.
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If you're mentioning Avid in terms of being an industry standard and in a league of its own, you gotta mention Discreets uber-expensive editing packages also (Combustion, Fire, etc). They're beginning to take over from Avid in a lot of film houses and definitely have a strong grasp in the industry nowadays.
Combustion is lacking as a cutting tool, brilliant for compositing and other effects work, but absolutely not a cutting tool. Couldn't cut butter!

As regards Discreet, I have only experience of flame* and inferno and have never used fire. Sadly though, Discreet's policy of charging their customers extortionate prices makes most of their products inacessible to ordinary Joes. flame* is amazing at what it is designed for, but if i need to cut something, an Avid is what I'll use. Also, Discreet, unlike Avid, has effectively banned 3rd party storage solutions using software, and charge an arm and a leg for a Discreet-badged disk array. Avid, on the other hand, don't support 3rd party devices, but you can still hook 'em up and the system will work.

Combustion is becoming popular in post houses because it is relatively cheap, therefore buyers are often prepared to purchase enough licences and cheap staff to perform boring, tedious and repetitive tasks like wire removal or clean-up. Ain't for cutting though...

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