Dairy Chitchat 3

OffalyMedic · 18-07-2019 3:11pm

If anyone is looking for relief milkers in Laois/Offaly gimme a shout!

Waffletraktor · 18-07-2019 7:56pm

Mooooo wrote: »

Gotta love land drainage, over a km of pipe and near 200 tonne of stone and the digger still here, all for the sake of 8 or 9 acres....

Still cheaper than buying replacement ground!

Mooooo · 18-07-2019 8:10pm

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Still cheaper than buying replacement ground!

I bought this place as well!! Twice the idiot I spose

straight · 19-07-2019 9:07am

Do any of ye ever get your milk tank solids independently tested? I don't trust my co-op.

Keep Sluicing · 19-07-2019 9:21am

Mooooo wrote: »

I bought this place as well!! Twice the idiot I spose

I'm at the same craic. Bought 13 acres in January, will have nearly 13 grand put into it between stone, drainage pipe and digger work. My dad has 100s hours put into it, only about 90 to 100 myself. But grass seeds next week hopefully on the 4 acres of reclaimed bog and scrub hill.

whelan2 · 19-07-2019 9:26am

straight wrote: »

Do any of ye ever get your milk tank solids independently tested? I don't trust my co-op.

Do you send a sample of your bulk tank with the milk recorder?

straight · 19-07-2019 9:29am

whelan2 wrote: »

Do you send a sample of your bulk tank with the milk recorder?

No. The lady that does the recording doesn't have any interest in taking it from the tank. Might push it more the next time.

Timmaay · 19-07-2019 9:41am

whelan2 wrote: »

Do you send a sample of your bulk tank with the milk recorder?

Always a sample taken from the tank here. And the results rarely reflect the coop results, however I wouldnt have huge confidence in the PG results in any case.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 19-07-2019 9:42am

straight wrote: »

Do any of ye ever get your milk tank solids independently tested? I don't trust my co-op.

I did it years ago, the results weren't a surprise. You'll have to get a sample taken by the manager now and the results will be fairly close.

The next unchecked sample will be back to the same as before your check, though.

whelan2 · 19-07-2019 9:44am

Timmaay wrote: »

Always a sample taken from the tank here. And the results rarely reflect the coop results, however I wouldnt have huge confidence in the PG results in any case.

I havent done it in a while but they used to just say that the milk recording is only 1 day and you're on 2 day collection or whatever. Now that I'm on every day collection it would be interesting to see .

straight · 19-07-2019 9:48am

It's kind of a big deal when you're paid on solids. According to my tank dipstick the volume is wrong too but that could be down to the slope.

whelan2 · 19-07-2019 9:49am

Dried off some autumn calvers this morning. Will be milking just under 10 rows now. The pressure is off. Find anything over 10 rows hardship

Buford T. Justice XIX · 19-07-2019 10:16am

whelan2 wrote: »

Dried off some autumn calvers this morning. Will be milking just under 10 rows now. The pressure is off. Find anything over 10 rows hardship

When do expect to be milking in the new parlour?

whelan2 · 19-07-2019 10:22am

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

When do expect to be milking in the new parlour?

Just doing new cubicle shed this year. Will wait until young lad has green cert to do the parlour

Mortelaro · 19-07-2019 10:28am

whelan2 wrote: »

I havent done it in a while but they used to just say that the milk recording is only 1 day and you're on 2 day collection or whatever. Now that I'm on every day collection it would be interesting to see .

It still won't add up
Yours etc
The cynic

Say my name · 19-07-2019 11:06am

whelan2 wrote: »

How did he do?

The feckers were reading this forum!!

R minus, minus, 3 +, 41months,
Gross 562 kgs. Net 550.76 kgs.
Price 2.40/kg.

whelan2 · 19-07-2019 11:55am

whelan2 wrote: »

Just doing new cubicle shed this year. Will wait until young lad has green cert to do the parlour

Was talking to shed man there. He said it's very hard to get concrete atm it's all going to Dublin . A week waiting list in kilsaran. Plant is 2 miles over the road from us. We using o Reilly concrete but still a long wait. Boom is still going on

Gawddawggonnit · 19-07-2019 12:00pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Was talking to shed man there. He said it's very hard to get concrete atm it's all going to Dublin . A week waiting list in kilsaran. Plant is 2 miles over the road from us. We using o Reilly concrete but still a long wait. Boom is still going on

Out of interest, what’s the Tams worth when the young lad has the green cert? Just a ballpark figure please?

50N concrete is around €188-200 for a cubic mètre here...carbon tax!

wrangler · 19-07-2019 12:10pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Was talking to shed man there. He said it's very hard to get concrete atm it's all going to Dublin . A week waiting list in kilsaran. Plant is 2 miles over the road from us. We using o Reilly concrete but still a long wait. Boom is still going on

Not many planning bringing a young fellow into farming in the present scenario, huge down ward pressure on food prices now.
Often thought it wasn't worth the bother here and then subsidies came and turned the whole thing around........for a while so maybe it'll turn again, at least young farmers aren't blocked from getting into dairying

jaymla627 · 19-07-2019 1:27pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Out of interest, what’s the Tams worth when the young lad has the green cert? Just a ballpark figure please?

50N concrete is around €188-200 for a cubic mètre here...carbon tax!

60% grant aid young farmer up to 80k, if joint application in partnership you can avail of 50% grant aid on 160k, problem is parlour men and builders are swallowing up any cost savings with jacked up rates, put in a 20 unit parlour pit/stall work/holding yard/shed and dairy here in 12 for sub 20k granted we done a nice bit of work ourselves, to get the same work done now 60k wouldn’t get you out and that’s provided you could get someone to do it

Mooooo · 19-07-2019 4:24pm

Keep Sluicing wrote: »

I'm at the same craic. Bought 13 acres in January, will have nearly 13 grand put into it between stone, drainage pipe and digger work. My dad has 100s hours put into it, only about 90 to 100 myself. But grass seeds next week hopefully on the 4 acres of reclaimed bog and scrub hill.

Rain last night made the loader redundant couldn't travel the ground, looking across the valley at a lad driving over and back with a dump trailer and he doesn't even have earth on the tyres. Fortunate the drain we were at today was near the stone heap and digger was able to cover pipe without too much messing

Timmaay · 19-07-2019 6:10pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

60% grant aid young farmer up to 80k, if joint application in partnership you can avail of 50% grant aid on 160k, problem is parlour men and builders are swallowing up any cost savings with jacked up rates, put in a 20 unit parlour pit/stall work/holding yard/shed and dairy here in 12 for sub 20k granted we done a nice bit of work ourselves, to get the same work done now 60k wouldn’t get you out and that’s provided you could get someone to do it

My recommendation would be to just get the grant on the parlour/tank/feeding system. Easy to apply for, doesn't need planning etc, and the specification/price is largely the same if its grant spec or not. I had the same problem back in 2010, couldn't get anyone to do the concrete work here, instead I got a friend who's a block layer to do the pit and parlour wall in 4inch solid blocks, and did the roof myself. It was a cheap and cheerful job, but all was a quantum leap in that new 14unit parlour from the 40yr old 6 unit I'd come from.

whelan2 · 19-07-2019 6:20pm

I have the same lad doing the steelworks and the concrete. He only lives about a mile away

Gawddawggonnit · 19-07-2019 9:22pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

60% grant aid young farmer up to 80k, if joint application in partnership you can avail of 50% grant aid on 160k, problem is parlour men and builders are swallowing up any cost savings with jacked up rates, put in a 20 unit parlour pit/stall work/holding yard/shed and dairy here in 12 for sub 20k granted we done a nice bit of work ourselves, to get the same work done now 60k wouldn’t get you out and that’s provided you could get someone to do it

Always the case isn’t it.
Still though ‘‘tis a fair whack of a grant all the same. When you throw in the vat rebate it becomes substantial.

My building crew are two years behind work. They’re to put up a new cubicle shed for me since September ‘17 and he hasn’t arrived yet...even though we agreed that I could hold back €12k until finishing the cubicles.

mahoney_j · 20-07-2019 11:05am

Is there any advantage to spreading magnesium lime over normal lime ,soil test yearly for usuals but not magnesium ,rang to order sum yesterday and quarry asked which I wanted

Say my name · 20-07-2019 11:29am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Is there any advantage to spreading magnesium lime over normal lime ,soil test yearly for usuals but not magnesium ,rang to order sum yesterday and quarry asked which I wanted

If your soil is low in magnesium it'll lock up phosphorus.
You'll often see soils high in magnesium will test low in phosphorus because those soils can't store phosphorus so it'll either go into the plant or wash away.
Suppliers now are even supplying specific blends of cal and mag lime based on soil tests.

There's also a similar relationship with magnesium and potash in soil. It makes potash more available to plants but then the potash can block plant uptake of magnesium. So even though your soil is full of magnesium your plant may not be and your stock are more susceptible to milk fever and grass tetany.

Gawddawggonnit · 20-07-2019 11:41am

mahoney_j wrote: »

Is there any advantage to spreading magnesium lime over normal lime ,soil test yearly for usuals but not magnesium ,rang to order sum yesterday and quarry asked which I wanted

If you’re in a high molybdenum area, then as a rough rule of thumb, use the high magnesium lime.

jaymla627 · 20-07-2019 11:53am

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

If you’re in a high molybdenum area, then as a rough rule of thumb, use the high magnesium lime.

Best practice for high molybdenum areas is to keep ph low so its hard to win, also mag lime is a disaster on wet heavy type soil as it binds it together and leads to even poorer drainage, 1st cut silage has tested sky high for molybdenum here again but all major elements are perfect and trace, only have managed to get them right this year through a combination of using selenium added with fertilizer, and physiolth at two bags an acre yearly

Timmaay · 21-07-2019 4:43pm

Huge jump in growth here since the 17mm afew days ago. I'm skipping over at least 30ac that I'll need to take out as bales that I don't really need or want ha. Another 50cows wouldn't of gone astray here this year!

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-07-2019 5:10pm

Timmaay wrote: »

Huge jump in growth here since the 17mm afew days ago. I'm skipping over at least 30ac that I'll need to take out as bales that I don't really need or want ha. Another 50cows wouldn't of gone astray here this year!

I'm taking silage out here tomorrow which is handy as I'll be gone for three days next week. The next paddock was at 600 two days ago on the dry half and 1200 on the heavy half. Dry half up to 1100 tomorrow I reckon
Edit. 3 days ago at 600

Sacrolyte · 21-07-2019 5:48pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

straight wrote: »

Correct link bit.ly/LYONS0807192

Cheers, I was just going looking for it:)

We would always be looking for someone to milk cows the odd evening and it's hard enough to get the FRS unless you book well in advance. We had a man come looking for work last night and another this morning, both seem to know their way around a parlour so I must give them a few milkings soon.

There are lads out there but we don't always come across them.

How much per milking chief?

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-07-2019 6:24pm

Sacrolyte wrote: »

How much per milking chief?

€50 per milking for 80-100 cows,. Normally get FRS but this guy came in looking so I'll give him a shot for an evening or two midweek. He's normally booked out weekends.

Gawddawggonnit · 22-07-2019 2:58pm

French radio.
Dept. of Ag. announces massive ‘grants’ for farmers suffering from drought...the radio station were immediately inundated with calls, texts and emails complaining about agriculture being over subsidized and ‘let them eat cake’ kind of bile.

Turns out the mahoosive subsidy is the sfp. Payment to be brought forward....:(

Ed. Creed will announce at the ploughing that he organized it...

Buford T. Justice XIX · 22-07-2019 3:07pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

French radio.
Dept. of Ag. announces massive ‘grants’ for farmers suffering from drought...the radio station were immediately inundated with calls, texts and emails complaining about agriculture being over subsidized and ‘let them eat cake’ kind of bile.

Turns out the mahoosive subsidy is the sfp. Payment to be brought forward....:(

Ed. Creed will announce at the ploughing that he organized it...

Will you be able to book the skiing trip a bit earlier this year so, Dawg?:P

Gawddawggonnit · 22-07-2019 7:46pm

Buford T. Justice VI wrote: »

Will you be able to book the skiing trip a bit earlier this year so, Dawg?:P

Jayzz tis hard to visualize, or even dream of snow in this weather!

Timmaay · 22-07-2019 8:58pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Jayzz tis hard to visualize, or even dream of snow in this weather!

The glaciers up on tignes in the French alps are just about still open now for summer even despite the heat wave!

forgottenhills · 22-07-2019 9:28pm

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Jayzz tis hard to visualize, or even dream of snow in this weather!

Hello Gawddawggonnit.

I'm a lurker on the Farming thread here for some years, and have read many of your posts with interest.

Do you mind me asking what part of France are you farming in and what were the reasons behind you deciding to move out there in the first place? Apologies if you have answered these questions many times previously.

Base price · 22-07-2019 9:51pm

Timmaay wrote: »

The glaciers up on tignes in the French alps are just about still open now for summer even despite the heat wave!

Eldest sent me this pic last week of himself and his girlfriend skiing on Mt. Buller, Victoria. I can't get my head around the fact that it snows in Australia

Mortelaro · 23-07-2019 7:21am

Base price wrote: »

Eldest sent me this pic last week of himself and his girlfriend skiing on Mt. Buller, Victoria. I can't get my head around the fact that it snows in Australia

We flew over those mountains en route from Sydney to Melbourne around this time of the year and they were full of snow
It was about 16c in Sydney at the time and 11 or so in Melbourne ,with cold mornings
Theres quite an active ski resort up there

C0N0R · 23-07-2019 7:36am

Mortelaro wrote: »

We flew over those mountains en route from Sydney to Melbourne around this time of the year and they were full of snow
It was about 16c in Sydney at the time and 11 or so in Melbourne ,with cold mornings
Theres quite an active ski resort up there

Was up there this time last year for a couple of days skiing, by god they know how to charge, could have nearly got a week skiing in Europe by the time we had everything paid for, nice spot though

jaymla627 · 23-07-2019 9:30am

The journals dairy specialist seems to have found a new group of farmers to run-down, don’t think it’s a battle he will win, that lad needs someone signing of on his social media posts before they are put up online

mahoney_j · 23-07-2019 9:41am

jaymla627 wrote: »

The journals dairy specialist seems to have found a new group of farmers to run-down, don’t think it’s a battle he will win, that lad needs someone signing of on his social media posts before they are put up online

Specialist ????? Dosnt Like been questioned and seriously one sided views

jaymla627 · 23-07-2019 10:11am

mahoney_j wrote: »

jaymla627 wrote: »

The journals dairy specialist seems to have found a new group of farmers to run-down, don’t think it’s a battle he will win, that lad needs someone signing of on his social media posts before they are put up online

Specialist ????? Dosnt Like been questioned and seriously one sided views

Seems to of emitted the fact that over 2 million Bobby calves are slaughtered yearly in New Zealand when trying to get across his point about crossbred cows having viable beef calves for the New Zealand beef industry, wouldn’t be the brightest spark by any stretch

Mortelaro · 23-07-2019 10:49am

A lot of people are experts when they don't rely for money on the job they're lecturing the people that do on

Only gob****es listen

liosnagceann75 · 23-07-2019 11:06am

Has anyone an idea of the difference in milk solids between a tank put on agitating at collection and a tank which isint?

I posted some time ago about issues with the drivers not switching off the tank. Contacted the Co op and was told its mandatory for drivers to switch off the tank and put the tank agitating prior to collection. I was also told its not mandatory for them to put the tank on washing. Thanks

Mortelaro · 23-07-2019 11:14am

That advisor was winging it
Lots of people on overnight collection
Imagine if the driver didn't turn on the washer

Panch18 · 23-07-2019 11:14am

who said what in the Journal??

whelan2 · 23-07-2019 6:01pm

Any tips from the grassland open day thingy today?

Mooooo · 23-07-2019 6:14pm

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Has anyone an idea of the difference in milk solids between a tank put on agitating at collection and a tank which isint?

I posted some time ago about issues with the drivers not switching off the tank. Contacted the Co op and was told its mandatory for drivers to switch off the tank and put the tank agitating prior to collection. I was also told its not mandatory for them to put the tank on washing. Thanks

If it's not put agitating the bf result can be effected. It's why the milk meter when milk recording should agitate before taking the sample

yewtree · 23-07-2019 6:57pm

whelan2 wrote: »

Any tips from the grassland open day thingy today?

A good day as always, peter hamm's story is amazing gping from 30 cows to 130 in six years.
Investing in high return areas when your expanding is cruical

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