This week's classic tractor I'm not buying

Reggie. · 31-03-2021 1:01pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

It would be as bad as a landing and that's a fairly new one

Now now.......get back into your box

jaymla627 · 31-03-2021 1:11pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

What's the problem with the box?

It’s the 8 speed range box that’s a semi power shift, they where a disaster from day one, drove a lot of f tractors back in the day and any of them with the above box usually where missing gears, jumping out of gear while driving....
The dual command type box with 4 speed and a hi/lo splitter was a lot more reliable

Bass Reeves · 31-03-2021 1:20pm

Reggie. wrote: »

Now now.......get back into your box

You left the door wide open I could not resist

MfMan · 31-03-2021 1:32pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I know its done up and may be targeting the tractor road run market but would pay 11k fot an MF240

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-240/27678895

Fully reconditioned ones are making and realising that. And especially in the past Covid-stricken year, where lads are stuck at home and have more time (and a bit more money) to be knocking about, doing a bit of tractor work (bog etc.) Nearly any kind of decent 135 is making at least €6k.

Donald Trump · 31-03-2021 3:33pm

MfMan wrote: »

Fully reconditioned ones are making and realising that. And especially in the past Covid-stricken year, where lads are stuck at home and have more time (and a bit more money) to be knocking about, doing a bit of tractor work (bog etc.) Nearly any kind of decent 135 is making at least €6k.

What do the Turkish versions sell for new?

Le shovelle · 31-03-2021 8:50pm

The boss is looking at a 1996 new holland 8560 for a small bit of low loader work. Think he said 12000 hrs which is to be expected. Anyone any experience of these?

Bass Reeves · 31-03-2021 10:04pm

MfMan wrote: »

Fully reconditioned ones are making and realising that. And especially in the past Covid-stricken year, where lads are stuck at home and have more time (and a bit more money) to be knocking about, doing a bit of tractor work (bog etc.) Nearly any kind of decent 135 is making at least €6k.

Still it is a very limited tractor only good for lifting a bale of hay. You would buy a lot of fresh 2wd tractors up above 70 hp for around the 10 k mark

lab man · 31-03-2021 10:10pm

jaymla627 wrote: »

It’s the 8 speed range box that’s a semi power shift, they where a disaster from day one, drove a lot of f tractors back in the day and any of them with the above box usually where missing gears, jumping out of gear while driving....
The dual command type box with 4 speed and a hi/lo splitter was a lot more reliable

I'd say the gearbox has been done in that tractors if u look at the grarstick there's a lead going to the lever for the hi lo ?

FintanMcluskey · 31-03-2021 11:07pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/zetor-crystal-12011/27687891

Very original looking 12011

Not many left in Ireland

endainoz · 31-03-2021 11:40pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/zetor-crystal-12011/27687891

Very original looking 12011

Not many left in Ireland

The lad who sold me the 8011 had also restored a 12011, did a serious job on it. 2wd with that kind of power is rare to come by.

divillybit · 31-03-2021 11:41pm

Was the duel command box in the later F series Fiat's, the one with the high/low switch on the main gear lever?

Drove a good few of the Bord na Mona older F 130 where the main gear lever had to be pushed to the right for the high split gear if that sounds right..but never heard of the gearboxes giving much problems

divillybit · 01-04-2021 1:22am

endainoz wrote: »

The lad who sold me the 8011 had also restored a 12011, did a serious job on it. 2wd with that kind of power is rare to come by.

Any idea how much horsepower the 12011 would have at the pto?

mythos110 · 01-04-2021 9:24am

divillybit wrote: »

Was the duel command box in the later F series Fiat's, the one with the high/low switch on the main gear lever?

Drove a good few of the Bord na Mona older F 130 where the main gear lever had to be pushed to the right for the high split gear if that sounds right..but never heard of the gearboxes giving much problems

Yes, I used to have a late F130 (97 reg) which had a slider switch on the gear knob for the splitter. Didn't have any gearbox issues with it.

endainoz · 01-04-2021 12:18pm

divillybit wrote: »

Any idea how much horsepower the 12011 would have at the pto?

Not too sure, I doubt there would be much loss to be fair. Those 12011s had legendary pulling power aswell. Pity about the awful brakes.

The saying I heard once really sums up the crystals: "Goes like a train, stops like a boat!"

divillybit · 01-04-2021 9:28pm

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7840-sle-powerstar/27239441

This 2wd Ford 7840 has been on Done Deal a few weeks now, thought it would have sold by now... Have they any major weak spots I wonder?

Bass Reeves · 01-04-2021 10:20pm

divillybit wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7840-sle-powerstar/27239441

This 2wd Ford 7840 has been on Done Deal a few weeks now, thought it would have sold by now... Have they any major weak spots I wonder?

First off it's a 2WD. They have 00 down as the year of registration. However AFAIK as it's a ford it would have been manufactured in 1995 at the he latest and could be 5+ years older.

I know some of these bigger 40 series fords had issue but I am not sure which ones. As well I am not sure is this a shuttle one or not

divillybit · 01-04-2021 11:32pm

I think 2wd tractors like that Ford 7840 do have their place as a good standby tractor and have advantages over the 4wd versions. They would be far more nimble for jobs like mowing or in tight yards.. Only time I ever seem to need to use the 4wd on our main tractor is in the spring time spreading slurry,

Bass Reeves · 02-04-2021 12:27am

divillybit wrote: »

I think 2wd tractors like that Ford 7840 do have their place as a good standby tractor and have advantages over the 4wd versions. They would be far more nimble for jobs like mowing or in tight yards.. Only time I ever seem to need to use the 4wd on our main tractor is in the spring time spreading slurry,

I have s 2wd CX 80 and a CX90 4wd. Ya a 2wd can be a handy back up tractor. Mine spreads fertlizer, hand as a second tractor bringing in bales, will run the mower. It handy as you can put an implement on it for 2-3 weeks during the summer.

No need of a crane for fertlizer. Last winter saw lad pay 4-500 to rent a tractor for two weeks we while his own was being fixed. I am not familiar with the Gear leaver set up on 40 series fords, not really gone on them I had 10 series and it gave a lot of trouble even though it was a clean tractor so it kinda put me off fords. If she had a shuttle she be grand for a second tractor but I do know there was issues with some of the 40 series

blue5000 · 02-04-2021 12:54am

divillybit wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7840-sle-powerstar/27239441

This 2wd Ford 7840 has been on Done Deal a few weeks now, thought it would have sold by now... Have they any major weak spots I wonder?

The SL gearbox had a better reputation than the SLE in that.

maidhc · 03-04-2021 10:51pm

Two fine zetors that seem decent enough value:

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/27715001

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/27712518

And really unusual ford 4000 with what seems like a grp bonnet

https://www.donedeal.ie/view/27709166

funkey_monkey · 03-04-2021 11:02pm

If you're looking a project for restoration that first Zetor is a nice one. There is a fella Bart down in Cork who advertises on Done Deal and the Crystal Facebook pages - has pretty much everything you want/need.
Second one has decent front wheels for a loader tractor and is in good off-farm original condition for the age.

People like to slate the Zetors, but not many can take the abuse they get and keep going.

Not sure about that Ford - it's certainly unusual. For the extra 50, I'd go with the Zetor.

FintanMcluskey · 03-04-2021 11:06pm

funkey_monkey wrote: »

People like to slate the Zetors, but not many can take the abuse they get and keep going.

I’ve not heard much slating of Zetor’s in recent years.

If anything there is a nostalgic respect for them.

Their fault’s lie in the comfort levels they offer anyone driving them, which is terrible it must be said

Bass Reeves · 03-04-2021 11:52pm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve not heard much slating of Zetor’s in recent years.

If anything there is a nostalgic respect for them.

Their fault’s lie in the comfort levels they offer anyone driving them, which is terrible it must be said

Comfort levels on older tractors not just zetor was brutal. I was talking to a mechanic just the other day. We were both of the same opinion. If we were buying any real one tractor the first thing we would do was put a decent seat in them. Spend 4-500 euro and you have most of the comfort of many modern tractors. All tractors are the same a cab on top of an engine on wheels a decent seat makes a huge difference.

If you Were in and out of a few scrap yards buy you cod pick one up second hand. You could get it reupholstered but buying new is probably as cheap.

Grueller · 04-04-2021 12:08am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Comfort levels on older tractors not just zetor was brutal. I was talking to a mechanic just the other day. We were both of the same opinion. If we were buying any real one tractor the first thing we would do was put a decent seat in them. Spend 4-500 euro and you have most of the comfort of many modern tractors. All tractors are the same a cab on top of an engine on wheels a decent seat makes a huge difference.

If you Were in and out of a few scrap yards buy you cod pick one up second hand. You could get it reupholstered but buying new is probably as cheap.

Agree 100%. I have a TL90 here and splashed out on an air seat for her last year. It has transformed driving her.

FintanMcluskey · 04-04-2021 12:11am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Comfort levels on older tractors not just zetor was brutal. I was talking to a mechanic just the other day. We were both of the same opinion. If we were buying any real one tractor the first thing we would do was put a decent seat in them. Spend 4-500 euro and you have most of the comfort of many modern tractors. All tractors are the same a cab on top of an engine on wheels a decent seat makes a huge difference.

If you Were in and out of a few scrap yards buy you cod pick one up second hand. You could get it reupholstered but buying new is probably as cheap.

Good point.

I remember the premium air seat on a JD was a few thousand euro back in the day

The same guys that bought that would put a €600 mechanical seat in a 2nd tractor.

It’s a huge part of of protecting our anatomy

White Clover · 04-04-2021 1:33am

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve not heard much slating of Zetor’s in recent years.

If anything there is a nostalgic respect for them.

Their fault’s lie in the comfort levels they offer anyone driving them, which is terrible it must be said

Our 1975 Zetor 6718 has an original factory fitted air seat and a fully enclosed cab with a flat floor with rubber matting. They also came with an engine mounted air compressor as standard and our one was retro fitted about 25 years ago with a front axle with suspension from another Zetor.
Show me another tractor made between '70 and '75 with that level of spec.

FintanMcluskey · 04-04-2021 1:41am

White Clover wrote: »

Our 1975 Zetor 6718 has an original factory fitted air seat and a fully enclosed cab with a flat floor with rubber matting. They also came with an engine mounted air compressor as standard and our one was retro fitted about 25 years ago with a front axle with suspension from another Zetor.
Show me another tractor made between '70 and '75 with that level of spec.

I didn’t mean to offend any owners.

I’ve owned 3 at this stage and still have 1

Zetor certainly lead the way for a while but fell behind as evident when they still used non synchronised gearboxes in new tractors in the mid 1990s.

They weren’t know for comfort in the last 2 decades

davidk1394 · 04-04-2021 10:34am

divillybit wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7840-sle-powerstar/27239441

This 2wd Ford 7840 has been on Done Deal a few weeks now, thought it would have sold by now... Have they any major weak spots I wonder?

It's the early SLE model. Some of them are known to give trouble. I had one during the summer. Grand machine. When your mowing or topping and going from forward to reverse it can be a bit difficult to get it into gear without it grinding.

jaginsligo · 04-04-2021 11:49am

Neighbor had one of these years ago, I loved driving it as it really easy power steering. Not sure what their like but it looks honest from the pictures
https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagemachinery-for-sale/tractor-john-deere-2030/23343178

emaherx · 04-04-2021 11:51am

Bass Reeves wrote: »

First off it's a 2WD. They have 00 down as the year of registration. However AFAIK as it's a ford it would have been manufactured in 1995 at the he latest and could be 5+ years older.

I know some of these bigger 40 series fords had issue but I am not sure which ones. As well I am not sure is this a shuttle one or not

They have it down as 0000 not 00, don't think they were actually advertising the year at all, I'm fairly sure it's not over 2000 years old

Gillespy · 04-04-2021 12:10pm

2wd and decent power make it ideal to go on a feeder and be useful in the summer too. It would be some difference compared to a 4wd Nasher steering circle wise.

endainoz · 04-04-2021 1:44pm

White Clover wrote: »

Our 1975 Zetor 6718 has an original factory fitted air seat and a fully enclosed cab with a flat floor with rubber matting. They also came with an engine mounted air compressor as standard and our one was retro fitted about 25 years ago with a front axle with suspension from another Zetor.
Show me another tractor made between '70 and '75 with that level of spec.

I can show you another one but it's also a Zetor! I'm currently doing a bit of work on an 8011 will be happy to show some pics once it's done. I'd definitely have a soft spot for the crystals myself, we had one ourselves for years and they were way ahead of their time. Everyone around here was still driving 165s at the time so next to them the 8011 was miles ahead in terms of features. Power steering, safety cab, heater, sound proofing etc etc. My one will have an easy enough life once it's done though.

We also had a 9641 from new as a main tractor. Anyone I know that wouldn't be gone on zetors have nothing but praise for it. I guess in years to come it would be seen as a bit of a modern classic, except for the lack of a shuttle gear box!

wrangler · 04-04-2021 1:53pm

endainoz wrote: »

I can show you another one but it's also a Zetor! I'm currently doing a bit of work on an 8011 will be happy to show some pics once it's done. I'd definitely have a soft spot for the crystals myself, we had one ourselves for years and they were way ahead of their time. Everyone around here was still driving 165s in the so next the them the 8011 was miles ahead in terms of features. Power steering, safety cab, heater, sound proofing etc etc. My one will have an easy enough life once it's done though.

We also had a 9641 from new as a main tractor. Anyone I know that wouldn't be gone on zetors have nothing but praise for it. I guess in years to come it would be seen as a bit of a modern classic, except for the lack of a shuttle gear box!

Like that, I've always had Zetors, I bought my first crystal because it was cheaper than a 165, I've a 100hsx now and it's a lovely tractor.

selectamatic · 04-04-2021 2:10pm

Another point on the 2wd 7840 I think all the 2wd 40 series tractors were 30k (maybe 6 cylinder ones differ) which would be a bit of a let down considering some of those 4wd 7840s are rockets on the road.

Bass Reeves · 04-04-2021 3:45pm

selectamatic wrote: »

Another point on the 2wd 7840 I think all the 2wd 40 series tractors were 30k (maybe 6 cylinder ones differ) which would be a bit of a let down considering some of those 4wd 7840s are rockets on the road.

All 2 WD's are 30Km boxes at best a lot are only 25Km. Not all the 4wd 40 series fords 4WD's were 40K boxes. If you are buying a 2wd tractor you are already willing to compromise on road speed. There are other issues with taking 2WD tractors on the road with weight on the back(fertlizer spreader, mower or bales) there steering can be very light. Having said all that clean 2wd tractors are good 2nd tractor option on some farms

Dinzee Conlee · 04-04-2021 3:49pm

wrangler wrote: »

Like that, I've always had Zetors, I bought my first crystal because it was cheaper than a 165, I've a 100hsx now and it's a lovely tractor.

Bought a zetor 7211 a few months ago, we only had a 135 before...
Zetor has a nice cab, power steering, radio, heater, better seat...

Much prefer the 135

endainoz · 04-04-2021 3:54pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Bought a zetor 7211 a few months ago, we only had a 135 before...
Zetor has a nice cab, power steering, radio, heater, better seat...

Much prefer the 135

I think the 7211 is the ultimate small holding type of a tractor, but can be versatile enough too, we ran on one a wrapper here for years. I'd like to see the 135 manage that!

wrangler · 04-04-2021 4:39pm

Dinzee Conlee wrote: »

Bought a zetor 7211 a few months ago, we only had a 135 before...
Zetor has a nice cab, power steering, radio, heater, better seat...

Much prefer the 135

I never could like the smaller Zetors, but I had a 188 for spraying corn and the corn drill and it didn't compare to the Crystal

selectamatic · 04-04-2021 6:10pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

All 2 WD's are 30Km boxes at best a lot are only 25Km. Not all the 4wd 40 series fords 4WD's were 40K boxes. If you are buying a 2wd tractor you are already willing to compromise on road speed. There are other issues with taking 2WD tractors on the road with weight on the back(fertlizer spreader, mower or bales) there steering can be very light. Having said all that clean 2wd tractors are good 2nd tractor option on some farms

I dunno about that tbh there's a few 2wd tractors from the 70s, 80s and 90s that can hit well over 40k. Obviously many more that can't.

Just felt it was worth pointing out that the 2wd 7840 is most likely 30k.

Jb1989 · 04-04-2021 6:17pm

selectamatic wrote: »

I dunno about that tbh there's a few 2wd tractors from the 70s, 80s and 90s that can hit well over 40k. Obviously many more that can't.

Just felt it was worth pointing out that the 2wd 7840 is most likely 30k.

Most zetor 8111s can do the 40 and over.

Dinzee Conlee · 04-04-2021 7:12pm

endainoz wrote: »

I think the 7211 is the ultimate small holding type of a tractor, but can be versatile enough too, we ran on one a wrapper here for years. I'd like to see the 135 manage that!

Funny enough, I am kinda finding the opposite...

We have high ground, and the 135 manages grand. It’s rare it’d slide...
But the zetor slides fierce easy, I just wouldn’t trust it on high ground...

Now, the zetor has a loader, which plays a big part...

In hindsight, should have gotten a 4wd, but the budget didn’t allow...

White Clover · 04-04-2021 7:12pm

188 multi power were fast.
Ford 7600 could do 35kph easily.

Bass Reeves · 04-04-2021 8:48pm

fits wrote: »

Yes it would. Mainly bringing round bales of hay or haylage out to field. Would do a bit of rolling/harrowing, topping, turning hay. Budget around 6-7 k. Really want something that works without needing much attention. Sold a Ford 3000 a few years ago which worked well but it had no loader.

Are you still looking for a tractor this looks like it would be in your budget. Nice clean looking Case IH 885 2wd with a loader. Just get it checked out but I think you would want to be fast off the mark. Put an air seat in it when you get a few bob togeather

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1990-case-ih-quicke-2200-loader-bucket-and-fork/27692200

Bass Reeves · 04-04-2021 8:59pm

divillybit wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-7840-sle-powerstar/27239441

This 2wd Ford 7840 has been on Done Deal a few weeks now, thought it would have sold by now... Have they any major weak spots I wonder?

this is a4Wd version and its is not much dearer

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-new-holland-7740-sle-1992/20389247

Bass Reeves · 04-04-2021 9:07pm

Just saw this looks too good value
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2004-mccormick-tractor/27690699

RandomViewer · 04-04-2021 9:12pm

White Clover wrote: »

188 multi power were fast.
Ford 7600 could do 35kph easily.

We'd a 590 and it was nothing special, pulled better than a 390 though

Bass Reeves · 04-04-2021 9:32pm

RandomViewer wrote: »

We'd a 590 and it was nothing special, pulled better than a 390 though

590, 690 and 390 all had same Perkins engine but it was rated higher in the 590/690

maidhc · 04-04-2021 10:04pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Just saw this looks too good value
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2004-mccormick-tractor/27690699

12,345?

Bass Reeves · 04-04-2021 10:07pm

maidhc wrote: »

12,345?

Didn't notice it

RandomViewer · 04-04-2021 10:56pm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

590, 690 and 390 all had same Perkins engine but it was rated higher in the 590/690

We used to use ours for taking turf home , parked on bog Road and loaded from quad, the 590 /P236 would climb the hill in top with an empty trailer, you'd have to change down on the neighbours 390 with the same trailer

This week's classic tractor I'm not buying

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