Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

Jack1985 · 13-05-2020 2:26pm

MoeJay wrote: »

When did he say that?

Mr Walsh confirmed that Aer Lingus’ staff numbers are likely to be 20% smaller by next year.

He stopped short of confirming that 900 job cuts are being sought at Aer Lingus, as was reported last week. That figure, however, is 20% of its total 4,500 workforce.

I'm sure, he'd be able to tell you he is consulting with elected representitives.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/business/willie-walsh-no-prospect-for-and-no-need-of-aer-lingus-re-nationalisation-998263.html

fullstop · 13-05-2020 9:20pm

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Random post so as to subscribe to the new thread;

Flying the (Ivory Coast) flag

billy few mates · 13-05-2020 9:28pm

fullstop wrote: »

Flying the (Ivory Coast) flag

Or following the internationally recognised protocol for displaying national flags on the side of aircraft, it's not a regulation here and operators can do whatever they want but this is the common protocol.
In the states it's a federal regulation.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/planes-display-american-flag-backwards/

EchoIndia · 13-05-2020 9:35pm

To avoid copyright breach, here is the original photo with credit:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus-Irish-International-Airlines/Boeing-747-148/251985/L

WishUWereHere · 13-05-2020 9:57pm

EchoIndia wrote: »

To avoid copyright breach, here is the original photo with credit:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus-Irish-International-Airlines/Boeing-747-148/251985/L

A truly majestic photograph. Thanks for uploading it.

Comhrá · 13-05-2020 10:16pm

EchoIndia wrote: »

To avoid copyright breach, here is the original photo with credit:
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Aer-Lingus-Irish-International-Airlines/Boeing-747-148/251985/L

An excellent photograph. The EI 747s looked very elegant in that delivery scheme. I always thought the later green-top livery didn't do them justice.

Kcormahs · 15-05-2020 4:59pm

State may take a stake in Aer Lingus (IAG) to protect strategic routes

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-state-bodies-and-firms-line-up-for-bailouts-1.4253829

kevinandrew · 15-05-2020 5:47pm

Kcormahs wrote: »

State may take a stake in Aer Lingus (IAG) to protect strategic routes

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-state-bodies-and-firms-line-up-for-bailouts-1.4253829

I'm guessing this would only be an option if Aer Lingus went asking for state support. It wouldn't go down well with IAG, after all, the Spanish government has already agreed a loan for Iberia without even considering taking a stake in the airline.

Would be short sighted and more trouble than it's worth for the government in my opinion.

Lapmo_Dancer · 15-05-2020 8:09pm

Hearing speculation that EI has secured a PPE contract to South Korea.

sherology · 15-05-2020 8:11pm

Lapmo_Dancer wrote: »

Hearing speculation that EI has secured a PPE contract to South Korea.

The HSE has indeed sourced PPE from there so perhaps EI has won the delivery contract.

Qprmeath · 15-05-2020 9:05pm

sherology wrote: »

The HSE has indeed sourced PPE from there so perhaps EI has won the delivery contract.

Peking PPE flights running until June 21st.

joeysoap · 16-05-2020 12:07am

sherology wrote: »

The HSE has indeed sourced PPE from there so perhaps EI has won the delivery contract.

At least they can stopover there.

Elaine762 · 16-05-2020 2:00am

Kcormahs wrote: »

State may take a stake in Aer Lingus (IAG) to protect strategic routes

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/coronavirus-state-bodies-and-firms-line-up-for-bailouts-1.4253829

It doesn't mean nationalising though

Tenger · 16-05-2020 6:31am

joeysoap wrote: »

At least they can stopover there.

I'm guessing a similar operation would be preferable to EI. Flight time isn't too dissimilar to PEK. (very roughly looks to be about 1000km beyond Beijing)

16-05-2020 7:28am

Tenger wrote: »

I'm guessing a similar operation would be preferable to EI. Flight time isn't too dissimilar to PEK. (very roughly looks to be about 1000km beyond Beijing)

360nm-666km

Kermit.de.frog · 16-05-2020 11:45am

kevinandrew wrote: »

I'm guessing this would only be an option if Aer Lingus went asking for state support. It wouldn't go down well with IAG, after all, the Spanish government has already agreed a loan for Iberia without even considering taking a stake in the airline.

Would be short sighted and more trouble than it's worth for the government in my opinion.

Yes, I agree on that. But as a last resort...

And you can bet the EU will have something to say.

But if it's good enough for France they should be told to take a hike. The French have smashed every EU rule on state support across a range of industries in recent weeks.

I don't think it will be needed though, hopefully.

Kcormahs · 16-05-2020 12:00pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Yes, I agree on that. But as a last resort...

And you can bet the EU will have something to say.

But if it's good enough for France they should be told to take a hike. The French have smashed every EU rule on state support across a range of industries in recent weeks.

I don't think it will be needed though, hopefully.

Hopefully to save jobs as hundreds to be made redundant

kevinandrew · 16-05-2020 2:33pm

EI-EIN on its first revenue flight today, operating EI123 to Chicago. Presumably giving 'EIM a rest which has been alternating between ORD and JFK since its arrival into the fleet.

Tenger · 16-05-2020 2:52pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

360nm-666km

Pro Tip;
Don't use nail of little finger as a measure of scale while using Google maps on the bus to work!!!

john boye · 16-05-2020 3:04pm

I saw a pic somewhere of the ex Qatar A332 with its Irish reg (EI-EIK) applied, does that suggest EI are taking it or does it mean nothing?

joeysoap · 16-05-2020 4:42pm

https://www.flightpedia.org/distance-dublin-to-seoul.html

https://www.flightpedia.org/distance-dublin-to-beijing.html

672 according to this

EchoIndia · 16-05-2020 8:19pm

EI-LRD parked at Dublin sans a sharklet.

Jack1985 · 16-05-2020 8:20pm

EchoIndia wrote: »

EI-LRD parked at Dublin sans a sharklet.

Any reason as to why they have been removed?

EchoIndia · 16-05-2020 8:27pm

Only one has - some vibration issues, apparently.

Tenger · 16-05-2020 10:20pm

john boye wrote: »

I saw a pic somewhere of the ex Qatar A332 with its Irish reg (EI-EIK) applied, does that suggest EI are taking it or does it mean nothing?

I saw it parked in mid-March with A7-AEH still applied.

Saw this posted elsewhere, I checked and its on the EI website now;
https://www.aerlingus.com/support/flight-disruption-information/?rrid=4364421&rmid=20200515_Face_Covering_Notification_Pre&utm_source=general_offers&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200515_Face_Covering_Notification_Pre&utm_term=all&mi_ecmp=20200515_Face_Covering_Notification_Pre

Face coverings required on board
Maintaining a safe and healthy environment for our customers and our staff is our number one priority.

From Monday 18 May all customers flying with us will be requested to use a mask or suitable face covering from the point of boarding the aircraft until they are inside the destination airport. This will be a mandatory requirement from Thursday 21st May. This is a temporary measure to enable us collectively play our part in keeping everyone safe on board.

We recommend that customers bring sufficient face coverings for the duration of their journey. Face coverings can be reusable cloth masks or disposable masks. Wearing of face coverings is mandatory while boarding and for the duration of the flight. Customers who are unable to keep a face covering in place, including children, are exempt from the mandatory application of the policy.

We recommend that customers consider wearing a face covering from the time of entry into the departure airport.
Our cabin crew will also be wearing suitable face coverings during flight.

The wearing of a face covering will be mandatory until August 31, 2020.

Irish Steve · 18-05-2020 11:41am

Peking shuttle, there's 6 330's in the air at the moment, 4 inbound, 2 outbound. Mind boggling to think how much PPE is being used at the moment, as there are other carriers also bringing items in from China and other places.

goingnowhere · 18-05-2020 11:51am

EI past the 100 round trip marker over the weekend.

1300+ tons so far moved

smurfjed · 18-05-2020 12:23pm

EI past the 100 round trip marker over the weekend.

1300+ tons so far moved

13,000 kgs per FLIGHT? This is insane, how can this be considered cost effective?

hurikane · 18-05-2020 12:26pm

smurfjed wrote: »

13,000 kgs per FLIGHT? This is insane, how can this be considered cost effective?

Is the PPE bulky rather than heavy? Are there any freighters available?

Negative_G · 18-05-2020 12:52pm

smurfjed wrote: »

13,000 kgs per FLIGHT? This is insane, how can this be considered cost effective?

It remains to be seen what the cost will be.

IAG have the taxpayer bent over the barrel.

You can be sure they are being paid handsomely.

goingnowhere · 18-05-2020 1:17pm

A330-300 passenger could lift 45 tons if you could fit it in the hold, the limiting factor is volume not weight. A330-300 has a pretty decent underfloor cargo capacity compared to other jets.

EI has a fleet and crew available to go when needed and can scale up and down the operation more or less same day. The rumor was 250-300k per trip. The lease on a new A330 is close to a million a month...

There just isn't a large number of cargo hulls out there. All the major carriers are running freight ops with passenger aircraft. Since it looks like -LAX will never fly again with passengers, rip out the seats and come up with a solution to pack in light cargo?

The next gig, the HSE has ordered face masks from South Korea? Will EI be sent to ICN to collect, its only 500km further than PEK

PukkaStukka · 18-05-2020 1:33pm

Negative_G wrote: »

It remains to be seen what the cost will be.

IAG have the taxpayer bent over the barrel.

You can be sure they are being paid handsomely.

I think you'll find COVID19 has the whole feckin world over a barrel. IAG are doing the flights at cost.

Irish Steve · 18-05-2020 1:48pm

Yes, it's bulk rather than weight, they are packing boxes into the cabin on the seats as well to maximise the quantity being shipped on each flight.

I just wish Simon Harris would introduce massive fines for the morons that are dumping used masks and gloves all over the place, it's not hard to take it home and dispose of it properly.

Negative_G · 18-05-2020 1:56pm

PukkaStukka wrote: »

I think you'll find COVID19 has the whole feckin world over a barrel. IAG are doing the flights at cost.

Has this been published anywhere officially?

I know Harris was asked at a press briefing or in the Dail some weeks ago but was unable to answer.

Companies are in the business of making money. I'd be very skeptical of any claims to be doing this operation at cost.

It's a big PR win for IAG anyway regardless even if the initial media fawning was a little OTT.

NH2013 · 18-05-2020 2:05pm

Negative_G wrote: »

It remains to be seen what the cost will be.

IAG have the taxpayer bent over the barrel.

You can be sure they are being paid handsomely.

You’ll probably also find COVID-19 has IAG bent over the barrel, may as well use money to keep an Irish company going rather than pay a foreign airline to do the work and then end up spending the money anyways to bail out Aer Lingus 6 months down the road. This way the money is actually put to good use and keeps the jobs and taxes in the country.

Tenger · 18-05-2020 2:07pm

smurfjed wrote: »

13,000 kgs per FLIGHT? This is insane, how can this be considered cost effective?

Im pretty sure that EI are making some revenue on this, even if it is less than there would on "normal" flights. They arent a charity, even with the kudos they have received. Those pilots and engineers need to be paid and fuel covered.

But the supplies being brought in are bulky rather than heavy. (Imagine a cardboard box with 1000 masks) From looking at the couple of videos about the operation you can see the staff throwing boxes around with very little discernable effort.

smurfjed · 18-05-2020 2:15pm

This is one of the problems of using statistics, if they said xxx,xxx masks etc per flight it mightn’t sound so bad

Negative_G · 18-05-2020 2:48pm

NH2013 wrote: »

You’ll probably also find COVID-19 has IAG bent over the barrel, may as well use money to keep an Irish company going rather than pay a foreign airline to do the work and then end up spending the money anyways to bail out Aer Lingus 6 months down the road. This way the money is actually put to good use and keeps the jobs and taxes in the country.

I don't wish to get into semantics but just in the interest of clarity, Aer Lingus is no longer an "irish company" and is fully owned by IAG.

As for any potential bailout, that's for IAG to be concerned about. Not sure how legal or practical it would be to provide state aid to a specific part of a privately owned commercial business but who knows. These are not ordinary times.

LXFlyer · 18-05-2020 3:05pm

Negative_G wrote: »

I don't wish to get into semantics but just in the interest of clarity, Aer Lingus is no longer an "irish company" and is fully owned by IAG.

As for any potential bailout, that's for IAG to be concerned about. Not sure how legal or practical it would be to provide state aid to a specific part of a privately owned commercial business but who knows. These are not ordinary times.

Well for someone trying to be clear, you’re not doing a good job.

Last time I checked, it may be owned by IAG, but Aer Lingus is still an Irish registered company with its management based in Dublin.

Cookiemunster · 18-05-2020 3:24pm

LXFlyer wrote: »

Well for someone trying to be clear, you’re not doing a good job.

Last time I checked, it may be owned by IAG, but Aer Lingus is still an Irish registered company with its management based in Dublin.

The arm of the company I work for is registered in Dublin too and the management is based in Ireland but is 100% an American company. Companies are registered in Ireland for tax reasons.
EI is 100% owned by a foreign company, so is no longer an Irish company.

Graham · 18-05-2020 3:32pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

EI is 100% owned by a foreign company, so is no longer an Irish company.

Aer Lingus Limited and Aer Lingus Group Designated Activity Company both registered in Ireland.

Ownership doesn't change that.

LXFlyer · 18-05-2020 3:38pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The arm of the company I work for is registered in Dublin too and the management is based in Ireland but is 100% an American company. Companies are registered in Ireland for tax reasons.
EI is 100% owned by a foreign company, so is no longer an Irish company.

I’m not going to dwell on this beyond this post, but it is still legally an Irish company.

IAG may control the overall strategic direction, but local management still have a large amount of discretion in how the company is run.

NH2013 · 18-05-2020 4:31pm

Negative_G wrote: »

I don't wish to get into semantics but just in the interest of clarity, Aer Lingus is no longer an "irish company" and is fully owned by IAG.

As for any potential bailout, that's for IAG to be concerned about. Not sure how legal or practical it would be to provide state aid to a specific part of a privately owned commercial business but who knows. These are not ordinary times.

Well, yes owned by IAG which is a European (Spanish) company with shareholders all over Europe and the world; Ireland , the UK, Spain, Qatar, Germany, Norway, America, Switzerland, Bermuda etc, (https://www.msn.com/en-ie/money/stockdetails/ownership/fi-amfx3m?ownershipType=institutional) but the company itself is run from Dublin, it pays it's corperation taxes in Ireland, it's employees all pay tax in Ireland, it sources all of its food for inflight catering from Ieland, it's registered with the IAA in Ireland, it brings people to and from Ireland, it's head office is in Ireland etc, it's an Irish company as much as many others.

It's of strategic importance to the nation as part of our national infastucture, even if no longer owned by the State, the same as many of our toll roads aren't owned by the State, but still form an important part of our infastructure.

When it comes down to it, it's important to the State and I can't see it being let go bankrupt, so with that in mind my point was more along the lines of if we're going to have to spend money on it to keep it afloat, we may as well get value back in the form of it being used to transport PPE here, rather than having to hire in a foreign company such as a Chinese airline to fly the PPE here for 5-10% less say, we'll still end up paying for it in the end so may as well kill two birds with one stone and get better value for the taxes we're going to have to spend on this issue either way.

goingnowhere · 18-05-2020 4:58pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

The arm of the company I work for is registered in Dublin too and the management is based in Ireland but is 100% an American company. Companies are registered in Ireland for tax reasons.
EI is 100% owned by a foreign company, so is no longer an Irish company.

99.99...% actually the state retains a single share. (And that could be helpful if things go wrong in coming months)

The Minister for Finance will retain a share in the company,

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/cabinet-agrees-to-sell-state-s-25-stake-in-aer-lingus-1.2226921

Doesn't matter who owns you, its where you are registered and Aer Lingus DAC is an Irish company registered with the CRO in Dublin (its one of the oldest on the register). Its principal shareholder is Spanish.

Jack1985 · 18-05-2020 5:40pm

I see we have the weekly ''not an Irish company'' mantra back again.:D

HTCOne · 18-05-2020 10:42pm

https://flyinginireland.com/2020/05/repatriation-flights-continue-as-restrictions-begin-to-lift/

Just in case anyone thinks strokes are being pulled for EI in the PEK PPE transport flights, Finnair won the contract for the CAN flights, and Delta won the big one for ICN (120 million masks plus other PPE). These are put out for tender as per EU legislation, nobody is getting a free ride with tax payers €. EI got the PEK contract fair and square.

CBear1993 · 18-05-2020 10:48pm

Are AL’s June flights actually going to run are what I’d like to know? Considering Ryanair aren’t going again until 1st July.

Hard to imagine how they’ll get a different rule. Have seen already ****ty customer behaviour where Aer lingus have cancelled flights without telling customers with very little notice

smurfjed · 19-05-2020 10:06am

I would love sometimes if someone in Government just said “screw it”, we are giving this contract to an Irish company regardless, because as NH2013 said above, we are going to pay for it anyway.

Hearing that DELTA won it, is rather surprising. What happened to BUY IRISH:)

Van.Bosch · 19-05-2020 10:52am

smurfjed wrote: »

I would love sometimes if someone in Government just said “screw it”, we are giving this contract to an Irish company regardless, because as NH2013 said above, we are going to pay for it anyway.

Hearing that DELTA won it, is rather surprising. What happened to BUY IRISH:)

Buy Irish is illegal under EU rules.

A320 · 19-05-2020 11:05am

Bloody yanks and Finns stealing our jobs,will they have the delta and Finnair crew on the late late show????

Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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