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Could something or someone like Brexit or Trump happen in Ireland?

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    #62
    AnGaelach
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    But perhaps another referendum to confirm 100% when negotiations are completed so people will know what they are voting for?

    Parliament has absolutely no need for a second referendum, as in the UK they believe in Parliamentary sovereignty rather than popular sovereignty (as we have here).

    Parliament was advised to leave the Union, so that's precisely what they're going to do.


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    #63
    anonymous00000
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    It'll be interesting to see what happens Paddys Day when Enda gives Trump a bowl of shamrocks

    A lot of Trumps advisors/team are Irish Catholic Americans including Bannon, Ryan and Pence, who are supposedly fierce proud of it


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    #64
    Widdershins
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    A Little Pony wrote: »
    The Irish electorate must be so thick. Imagine voting and then being asked again and just going along with what the EU tells you. Irish people have no thirst for freedom anymore or political revolutionary thinking. Irish people are the greatest whingers on earth but when it comes to making a difference at the ballot box, absolutely nothing happens.

    The fact that people complied with the ''request'' to vote again amazes me. Why?!


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    #65
    Austria!
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    Widdershins wrote: »
    The fact that people complied with the ''request'' to vote again amazes me. Why?!

    Both treaties were changed or aspects were clarified for the second vote IIRC.


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    #66
    twinytwo
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    Austria! wrote: »
    Both treaties were changed or aspects were clarified for the second vote IIRC.

    It passed the second time because the government scared people into voting yes.

    If we had voted no the second time, which we should have done.. we would have been made vote third and a fourth until we got it "right".

    The same thing is happening with brexit, you voted against the establishment so you sure as hell are going to pay for it.


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    #67
    twinytwo
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    pumpkin4life wrote: »
    Characteristics of Irish people compared to English people (who pretty much won Brexit) and Americans:

    Irish people are far more collectivist than the English and the Americans. This is not a bad thing; having its own advantages and disadvantages. What it means though is that Irish people are generally drawn towards big bureaucratic systems which dictate and tell people what to do. The British, The Catholic Church, The E.U etc. Again, more collectivist and less individualistic. Irish people tend to be more risk averse as well. This works in further shutting/attacking people who are further on the individualist spectrum.

    These things combined mean that we will stay with pro mainstream parties like FF FG /pro E.U longer than say the English would.

    Second, while there are pockets of the poorer areas of Dublin experiencing multiculturalism issues right now, it's not that bad yet. We have yet to have a Rotherham, a Cologne, or a Islam lad going nuts, for probability and number reasons.

    Third, while the elites who run this country are becoming increasingly estranged and isolated from the rest of the country, the extremes as seen maybe in London compared to say Luton, are not here. Yet.

    Fourth, the right in this country have the charisma of a dead fish. They should try and emulate Trump in terms of self promotion, marketing etc.

    So as of now, there won't be one.

    However: multiculturalism is becoming an increasing problem both in terms of numbers and minor incidents; the left whether it is in control of newspapers, the arts (Waking the Feminists) or co-corporations are becoming increasingly SJWie and a big problem (people becoming just sick of whats going on and not being forced to be quiet anymore) and just flat out crazy; the elites who run the country are becoming increasingly isolated and sheltered from everyone else.

    Finally, the Irish banks are still over-leveraged and pretty fecking unstable, so if Italy makes a run for it later on this year, alongside the housing issue right now, you could have another big economic challenge in the next while.

    I'd give it a few years, depends on a Cologne or something like that happening to us, possibly even sooner. We'll join the rest of Europe eventually though.

    hats off, best post iv read on here in a long time.


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    #68
    AnGaelach
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    twinytwo wrote: »
    It passed the second time because the government scared people into voting yes.

    We voted No (to Lisbon at least) the first time because we didn't want to be forced into a Europe-wide defence institution. We voted against it, and we got an opt-out (they even named it the Irish Protocol).


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    #69
    twinytwo
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I.E a deep unsatisction leading to a voter led change. What form could it take?

    The question is not could, the realization is that something like that NEEDS to happen in ireland.


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    #70
    twinytwo
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    AnGaelach wrote: »
    We voted No (to Lisbon at least) the first time because we didn't want to be forced into a Europe-wide defence institution. We voted against it, and we got an opt-out (they even named it the Irish Protocol).

    Really? so you asked everyone who voted no why they did so?


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    #71
    AnGaelach
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    twinytwo wrote: »
    Really? so you asked everyone who voted no why they did so?

    Well, considering that the defence-oriented agreement was the centre of the argument in Lisbon 1...

    Scenario 1: We don't have an opt-out. It fails.
    Scenario 2: Same agreement but we have the opt-out. It passes.


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