Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - General Thread

Mellor · 04-04-2016 11:12am

emmetkenny wrote: »

It is disappointing they all finished in a draw and anyone who watched it who aren't involved in BJJ would find them very boring.

I think there should be some reward system for an aggressor who continues to attack to award them the win.

It is disappointing that the main card ended it all draws. But it's a very same sample size. The last Polaris only one of two draws. The finish rate is still pretty high accross all events.

How would you work such a reward system? Isn't that basically back to "points". Which they're trying to get away from.

TitianGerm · 04-04-2016 11:42am

Mellor wrote: »

It is disappointing that the main card ended it all draws. But it's a very same sample size. The last Polaris only one of two draws. The finish rate is still pretty high accross all events.

How would you work such a reward system? Isn't that basically back to "points". Which they're trying to get away from.

It's hard to know to be honest.

If one competitor continues to try for submissions and the other only ever escapes then you could use a modified point system where each submission attempt is awarded one point(obviously you would have to specify what is an 'attempt') but allow the referee to award the points.

Mellor · 04-04-2016 12:08pm

I suppose it could just be done in a similar fashion to advantage points for sub attempts under normal rules. You get credit if the opponent is in danger of being submitted.

I suppose rather than making it a visible part of the match. The ref can just keep it to himself, and award a referees decision at the end.

Tox56 · 04-04-2016 3:45pm

emmetkenny wrote: »

I think there should be some reward system for an aggressor who continues to attack to award them the win.

So basically advantages under the normal points system??

I like the idea of sub only but its an absolute minefield to navigate and make work properly. Elite competitors submit each other very, very rarely, it just doesnt happen enough for a format like Polaris to work (in terms of delivering a sub) unless you set up mismatches. Two elite guys will cancel each other out in a 15-20 minute match 8, 9 times out of 10

Either you go the EBI route and essentially manufacture the submissions, or go longer time limits. For Polaris I'd at least like to see the main event be something like 45 mins/no time limit, but that presents more logistical problems

Honestly I cant see how jiu jitsu will ever appeal to people who dont do it, AJ Agazarm is getting stick for his antics but like it or not thats by far the best way to get casual fans interested in a sub grappling match

Mellor · 05-04-2016 1:31am

Casual just aren't going to get Jiu Jitsu. There are too many intricate details. Even some of the submission would go over there head (thinking of some footlocks here)

RoboRat · 07-04-2016 12:15pm

Do ye think it should end at a draw or go the EBI rules of each getting a go at a sub from attacking position?

I don't like the current system as you can have someone wait out a draw.

EBI rules are good but I would love something like an audience voting system. At the end of the match, and if its a draw, then people get to vote for who they felt preformed the best or was most entertaining (which will always be the aggressor in reality).

Being honest, most people attending this are BJJ aficionados so it would be an interesting concept to try at least.

Chris89 · 07-04-2016 12:51pm

RoboRat wrote: »

I don't like the current system as you can have someone wait out a draw.

EBI rules are good but I would love something like an audience voting system. At the end of the match, and if its a draw, then people get to vote for who they felt preformed the best or was most entertaining (which will always be the aggressor in reality).

Being honest, most people attending this are BJJ aficionados so it would be an interesting concept to try at least.

I like the EBI rules a lot, especially at the actual EBI event when there is cash incentive for submissions.

Problem with something like audience voting, is 99% of the people there are just friends and teammates. Even referees at the big ibjjf events are connected at some level to some competitors by school affiliation or whatever.

Funnily enogh, the addition of points to a match, as in an ibjjf match - can actually encourage the submission more. If i am behind on points i HAVE to work, if i am losing in a sub only match - i can try not to lose, instead of pushing for a finish. Something ive definitely seen happen plenty of times before.

RoboRat · 07-04-2016 1:19pm

Problem with something like audience voting, is 99% of the people there are just friends and teammates. Even referees at the big ibjjf events are connected at some level to some competitors by school affiliation or whatever.

I would disagree that 99% are friends / teammates.. obviously there would be a portion that is, but they would cancel each other out (in most cases anyhow) and the non-biased bjj fans or people affiliated to other fighters on the card would be essentially making the decision.

I just think its an interesting alternative and something unique that would encourage an exciting fight and stop competitors holding out for a draw.

Mellor · 07-04-2016 1:25pm

Chris89 wrote: »

Funnily enogh, the addition of points to a match, as in an ibjjf match - can actually encourage the submission more. If i am behind on points i HAVE to work, if i am losing in a sub only match - i can try not to lose, instead of pushing for a finish. Something ive definitely seen happen plenty of times before.

For every time a guy pushes for the sub because he is behind, another guy holds back because he is winning.
Points can both encourage, and discourage the sub.

john the one · 07-04-2016 1:30pm

Does anyone know of a gym where they do daytime jiu jitsu classes in Dublin city Centre or Ashbourne? Looking to start training but work schedule seems to get In the way!

TitianGerm · 07-04-2016 1:51pm

john the one wrote: »

Does anyone know of a gym where they do daytime jiu jitsu classes in Dublin city Centre or Ashbourne? Looking to start training but work schedule seems to get In the way!

SBG anyway, and maybe try Jorge Santos.

dubdamo · 07-04-2016 3:06pm

john the one wrote: »

Does anyone know of a gym where they do daytime jiu jitsu classes in Dublin city Centre or Ashbourne? Looking to start training but work schedule seems to get In the way!

Team Ryano in Finglas has morning classes Monday to Saturday. Royal Grappling Academy in Ballycoolin has some daytime classes also as does De La Riva BJJ in Inchicore. Have the same problem myself and have been looking into it. Jorge Santos, as has been mentioned on Capel Street is another option. I presume SBG do daytime classes but there doesnt appear to be a timetable on their website.

RoboRat · 07-04-2016 3:40pm

Contact wild geese martial arts and see if they do daytime classes, I know they used to do some, not sure if they do them anymore and they are city centre.

TitianGerm · 07-04-2016 3:42pm

RoboRat wrote: »

Contact wild geese martial arts and see if they do daytime classes, I know they used to do some, not sure if they do them anymore and they are city centre.

They in on Pearse Street? Beside Chartered Accountants? If so I've walked by there a few times early in the day and it always seems to have people inside.

Dave 101 · 07-04-2016 7:21pm

john the one wrote: »

Does anyone know of a gym where they do daytime jiu jitsu classes in Dublin city Centre or Ashbourne? Looking to start training but work schedule seems to get In the way!

gracie barra smithfield have classes mon/weds/fri 11:00 to 12:15

Mellor · 19-04-2016 6:09am

UAEJJF Worlds this week

Some decent prizes on offer.
$2k/$1k/$500 for blue belt divisions
$4k/$2k/$1k for purple belt divisions
Right up to $30k/$10k/$5k for black belt open weight.

I know its dirty money and all, but still have to be impressed at the thoughts of a bluebelt picking up $5k for double gold, $9k for a purple.

There's three guys from Ireland gone over for it.

MALE ADULT BLACK +94kg Christopher Bowe Gracie Barra Birmingham Ireland
MALE ADULT PURPLE 85kg John Sheridan Satori Bjj Ireland
MALE MASTER 1 PURPLE 77kg Evan John O'reilly Team Nogueira Dubai Ireland

One of my teammates if competing in the Male 94kg Purple. And a couple of guys I know from other guys are there.

TitianGerm · 19-04-2016 8:01am

Mellor wrote: »

UAEJJF Worlds this week

Some decent prizes on offer.
$2k/$1k/$500 for blue belt divisions
$4k/$2k/$1k for purple belt divisions
Right up to $30k/$10k/$5k for black belt open weight.

I know its dirty money and all, but still have to be impressed at the thoughts of a bluebelt picking up $5k for double gold, $9k for a purple.

There's three guys from Ireland gone over for it.

MALE ADULT BLACK +94kg Christopher Bowe Gracie Barra Birmingham Ireland
MALE ADULT PURPLE 85kg John Sheridan Satori Bjj Ireland
MALE MASTER 1 PURPLE 77kg Evan John O'reilly Team Nogueira Dubai Ireland

One of my teammates if competing in the Male 94kg Purple. And a couple of guys I know from other guys are there.

I've never heard of Team Nogueria Dubai Ireland, where are they based ?

Mellor · 19-04-2016 8:59am

emmetkenny wrote: »

I've never heard of Team Nogueria Dubai Ireland, where are they based ?

I think it means he's a living/working in Dubai at the moment. And training with a Team Nogueria affiliate there. But rightfully entered under "Ireland" as per his passport.

TitianGerm · 19-04-2016 9:03am

Mellor wrote: »

I think it means he's a living/working in Dubai at the moment. And training with a Team Nogueria affiliate there. But rightfully entered under "Ireland" as per his passport.

That actually makes a lot more sense

agent graves · 19-04-2016 11:07pm

Mellor wrote:

I know its dirty money and all, but still have to be impressed at the thoughts of a bluebelt picking up $5k for double gold, $9k for a purple.

What do you mean by its dirty money?

Mellor · 20-04-2016 11:42am

agent graves wrote: »

What do you mean by its dirty money?

It's founded and funded by the crown prince and the UAE government. UAE is a ridiculously wealthy country obvious. But their human rights record isn't the best. Some people have an issue with that.

Personally I don't have issue. In isolation, they do an incredible amount for jiu jitsu. The prizes here out IBJJF to shame.

BOHtox · 27-04-2016 8:53pm

After being tapped out hundreds of times, me thinking I'm making no progress, getting collar choked, RNCed, Kimurad, armbared I've finally got the first stripe. To say I'm delighted is an under-statement.

To a lot of people it means little to have a little bit of tape on a belt but to BJJ practitioners it's material reward for hours of hard work and I'm finally in the club

Raging I have to give it up for a few weeks now with college

TitianGerm · 27-04-2016 9:22pm

BOHtox wrote: »

After being tapped out hundreds of times, me thinking I'm making no progress, getting collar choked, RNCed, Kimurad, armbared I've finally got the first stripe. To say I'm delighted is an under-statement.

To a lot of people it means little to have a little bit of tape on a belt but to BJJ practitioners it's material reward for hours of hard work and I'm finally in the club

Raging I have to give it up for a few weeks now with college

Well done man. Keep at it !!

Subcomandante Marcos · 28-04-2016 1:05am

BOHtox wrote: »

After being tapped out hundreds of times, me thinking I'm making no progress, getting collar choked, RNCed, Kimurad, armbared I've finally got the first stripe. To say I'm delighted is an under-statement.

To a lot of people it means little to have a little bit of tape on a belt but to BJJ practitioners it's material reward for hours of hard work and I'm finally in the club

Raging I have to give it up for a few weeks now with college

Oss
Respect

Mellor · 28-04-2016 2:25am

Congrats.
The only way is up

BOHtox · 28-04-2016 2:45pm

Cheers lads

MagicIRL · 28-04-2016 2:56pm

Don't give it up. Even if you can only make one hour a week, keep going.

agent graves · 28-04-2016 10:49pm

Good stuff BOHtox..

TheSegal · 11-05-2016 11:06am

Did anybody here compete in BJJ as a white belt? Granted i've only been doing BJJ for a few months but would love to attempt competing by around October, will have 10 months off BJJ under my (white) belt by then!

I know at the end of the day my trainers will tell me when i'm ready but would still like to get a general idea of when people start to compete.

TitianGerm · 11-05-2016 11:47am

TheSegal wrote: »

Did anybody here compete in BJJ as a white belt? Granted i've only been doing BJJ for a few months but would love to attempt competing by around October, will have 10 months off BJJ under my (white) belt by then!

I know at the end of the day my trainers will tell me when i'm ready but would still like to get a general idea of when people start to compete.

Don't wait jump straight in.

John Sheridan in Satori is running a grassroots competition for White Belts so they can get some experience shortly.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1419240074963839?view=permalink&id=1827241980830311

Chairman Meow · 11-05-2016 11:49am

TheSegal wrote: »

Did anybody here compete in BJJ as a white belt? Granted i've only been doing BJJ for a few months but would love to attempt competing by around October, will have 10 months off BJJ under my (white) belt by then!

I know at the end of the day my trainers will tell me when i'm ready but would still like to get a general idea of when people start to compete.

I guess it varies from gym to gym. Ive been training since March. Already a girl who signed up same day as me took part in a competition recently. Im guessing she had a hell of alot more free time than i do to train tho, because at this level i can only imagine that any live rolling i took part in would be the most un-technical, un-coordinated, akward mess of just flopping around on the floor like a fish gasping for oxygen while being strangled by its own pyjamas.

Personally im not looking to compete tho. Im older than the majority of the people in class and i train just for the enjoyment of it so far. Also my wife would ****ing kill me harder than any opponent if i did

MagicIRL · 11-05-2016 11:50am

I competed in a gi and then a no-gi comp as white belt. It was a great experience both times and tons of fun. I'm not mad into the competition side of things. Some of my friends competed much more and some didn't bother at all.

TheSegal · 11-05-2016 11:50am

emmetkenny wrote: »

Don't wait jump straight in.

John Sheridan in Satori is running a grassroots competition for White Belts so they can get some experience shortly.

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1419240074963839?view=permalink&id=1827241980830311

Thanks a million for sending that on, even if I make an unholy shi*e of it I should still be able to have good craic!

TitianGerm · 11-05-2016 11:53am

TheSegal wrote: »

Thanks a million for sending that on, even if I make an unholy shi*e of it I should still be able to have good craic!

You will only be competing against others with similar experience so don't worry about anything.

Focus on your positions and balance to get an idea of how competition compares to training and don't worry about submitting anyone.

And most importantly make sure you enjoy yourself

Mellor · 11-05-2016 1:08pm

I competed at an in-house comp after about a month, just two matches matched by the coach.
First real comp was 4 months in. Have competed regularly since then.

Irish Kev · 14-05-2016 9:56am

TheSegal wrote: »

Did anybody here compete in BJJ as a white belt? Granted i've only been doing BJJ for a few months but would love to attempt competing by around October, will have 10 months off BJJ under my (white) belt by then!

I know at the end of the day my trainers will tell me when i'm ready but would still like to get a general idea of when people start to compete.

I competed for the 1st time last week. Been training twice a week since September, so just 9 months with a 4-5 week break from rolling due to an injury. I would suggest you go for it

markcahill1985 · 15-05-2016 10:37pm

Hi All; look for beginner BJJ classes around Cork City area. Anyone have recommendations?

TitianGerm · 15-05-2016 10:40pm

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Hi All; look for beginner BJJ classes around Cork City area. Anyone have recommendations?

Liam Beechnnior club in Cork is very good. Think it's Pedro Bessa affiliated.

markcahill1985 · 15-05-2016 10:44pm

emmetkenny wrote:

Liam Beechnnior club in Cork is very good. Think it's Pedro Bessa affiliated.

Thanks man; would you think at 31 with no previous martial arts experience that I am leaving it too late to start?

TitianGerm · 15-05-2016 10:48pm

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Thanks man; would you think at 31 with no previous martial arts experience that I am leaving it too late to start?

It's a big club. You'd be surprised with the different people there.

I'm a member in a small club and we've every age and experience there. Go in and give it five or six classes and take it from there.

Zero-Cool · 15-05-2016 10:49pm

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Thanks man; would you think at 31 with no previous martial arts experience that I am leaving it too late to start?

In my 30's, i only started 5 months ago and it's one of the best things I've done, only wish i started way sooner.

markcahill1985 · 15-05-2016 11:01pm

Thanks lads think I'll take the plunge!

Mellor · 16-05-2016 12:28am

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Thanks man; would you think at 31 with no previous martial arts experience that I am leaving it too late to start?

You'll there's nothing stopping you from becoming a blackbelt by the age of 40.
People have taken it up in their 40s and 50s. 31 isn't old in the grand scheme of things

arybvtcw0eolkf · 16-05-2016 9:23am

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Thanks man; would you think at 31 with no previous martial arts experience that I am leaving it too late to start?

BJJ is fairly easy on the body, and sure at 31 you're a young fella ~ you'll be grand.

cletus · 16-05-2016 10:11pm

markcahill1985 wrote: »

emmetkenny wrote:

Liam Beechnnior club in Cork is very good. Think it's Pedro Bessa affiliated.

Thanks man; would you think at 31 with no previous martial arts experience that I am leaving it too late to start?

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/4/10/11401002/photos-bjj-blue-belt-anthony-bourdain-wins-gold-at-new-york-open

If a 60 year old former heroin using alcoholic can take it up and be successful, I think you'll be ok

BOHtox · 16-05-2016 11:03pm

markcahill1985 wrote: »

Thanks man; would you think at 31 with no previous martial arts experience that I am leaving it too late to start?

I'm 22 and just started last year. Now I know what you're thinking. 22 is a bit younger than 31 and you're thinking "jaysus what has he to worry about?"

But all the 30+ and 40+ year old white belts you'll be rolling with will all be thinking about you "jaysus what has he to worry about?"

Our class ranges from about people doing their leaving cert to people who have a wife and kids and have the mortgage paid off and work 9-5 and do a bit of BJJ in the evening. So you fit perfectly in the middle.

Give it a lash, you'll love it

Dyr · 16-05-2016 11:06pm

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

BJJ is fairly easy on the body, and sure at 31 you're a young fella ~ you'll be grand.

Maybe in comparison to Judo

arybvtcw0eolkf · 16-05-2016 11:19pm

Bambi wrote: »

Maybe in comparison to Judo

Well I'm out injured with a grade II pec tear, and my son is out with a finger which is fractured in two places from competition two weeks back ~ I've never been injured in BJJ or MMA

But I genuinely feel Judo is exceptionally tough, and you're very prone to injury ~ in fact most competitive Judoka I know would be carrying injuries.

If the lad asking the question re. Judo at 37 I'd start be advising him to start but I'd warn him of the pitfalls (injuries).

The guy asking about age ~ I'd an MMA/BJJ group going in work for a few years, I had to fold it up when the defense forces had a reorganisation and I lost most of my lads.

But I advised them which clubs to go to according to their localities.

One of the lads (Stevie Carr) didn't start training until his mid/late 47's and has won lots of regional and national comps and medalled at last years Europeans (all BJJ).

Seriously 37 is a youngster.

Zero-Cool · 19-05-2016 11:09pm

Polaris changing their rules after their last event full of draws.

PRESS RELEASE:
NEW JUDGING SYSTEM ANNOUNCED

Polaris Professional Jiu Jitsu Invitational is pleased to announce a new judging system, to be put in place starting from the next Polaris event, scheduled for November 2016.

The professional jiu jitsu movement began as a response to what was seen as a deficiency in the traditional points system of jiu jitsu and grappling, and as a way to help jiu jitsu to become an exciting spectator sport and showcase for the skill and passion that the world's best grapplers possess. However, like any good martial art, Polaris must evolve over time.

Under the previous ruleset, all matches at Polaris 3 (April 2, 2016) were declared draws. It was felt that this was an unsatisfactory ending to what had been a very exciting and dynamic night of fights, and the eight draws did not adequately reflect the skill and heart displayed at the event.

As a result, a ruleset and judging system has been developed that will allow the most aggressive, exciting, dynamic and skilled fighter to be declared the winner. Passivity and stalling will be penalised.

The full rules are available here (http://www.polaris-pro.org/the-rules/).

Briefly, the format is as follows

Winner is determined by submission or judges' decision
Three judges score the bout
There are a limited number of points (three per catagory, with three categories in total) that must be distributed between the fighters.
Example: Aggression: Fighter A receives 1 point, Fighter B receives 2 points. The total amount must not exceed 3, and the judge must allocate more to one fighter than to another. In this case Fighter B displayed more aggression and heart during the bout than fighter A, so received the larger share of points.
Negative points can be given (one every five minutes)
For more information on the rule system or the event, please contact Polaris at info@polaris-pro.org

Subcomandante Marcos · 29-05-2016 11:08pm

Question on behalf of a friend.
Where can one buy A5 gi pants?
Mate is a 6'4 and rugby player. A3 GI top fits him but even A4 pants are very tight on him because he has huge legs.

Any idea where he can pick up a few pairs of A5 pants in Ireland or online with delivery to Ireland?

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