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Circular Number: 0037/2020

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    #62
    Bobtheman
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    Are these forms to be posted in ?


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    #63
    s1ippy
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    Treppen wrote: »
    My understanding is yes.

    And, if you do get the grade you are still entitled.
    Heh, I can't see too many students who were happy with the grade risking it! Presumably the exam result would supersede the predicted grade.

    Might find the process bringing out the gambler in some students! If it were me, I think I would have taken the easy route and been pleasantly surprised by my predicted grade so not needed to sit the exam... but there would definitely have been a bit of fight in me to do better.

    It's an interesting situation! And a complete head wreck.


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    #64
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Are these forms to be posted in ?

    You can't post them in case they get mislaid


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    #65
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    s1ippy wrote: »
    Heh, I can't see too many students who were happy with the grade risking it! Presumably the exam result would supersede the predicted grade.

    Might find the process bringing out the gambler in some students! If it were me, I think I would have taken the easy route and been pleasantly surprised by my predicted grade so not needed to sit the exam... but there would definitely have been a bit of fight in me to do better.

    It's an interesting situation! And a complete head wreck.

    They can sit the exam regardless. And can keep whichever grade they prefer.


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    #66
    r93kaey5p2izun
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    You csnt post them in case they get mislaid

    Even by courier? What about cocooning teachers??


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    #67
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Legend Numerous Fig wrote: »
    Even by courier? What about cocooning teachers??

    Another teacher can bring them for you.


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    #68
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    If you don't get the grade you wanted can you then do the exam in Nov ??

    No guarantee the exams will happen in November tho.

    "when safe to do so"


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    #69
    r93kaey5p2izun
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    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    Another teacher can bring them for you.

    And for teachers living hundreds of miles away? A friend is cocooned in Roscommon, teaching in Dublin. Another in Tipp, school in Dublin.


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    #70
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,137 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Legend Numerous Fig wrote: »
    And for teachers living hundreds of miles away? A friend is cocooned in Roscommon, teaching in Dublin. Another in Tipp, school in Dublin.

    I raised this on the other thread .........
    In some schools they are insisting on the forms being collected as well as they want to enter student number first for the teachers


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    #71
    mtoutlemonde
    Registered Users Posts: 2,120 ✭✭✭mtoutlemonde


    km79 wrote: »
    I raised this on the other thread .........
    In some schools they are insisting on the forms being collected as well as they want to enter student number first for the teachers

    From my viewing of that video, forms A and B are kept in the school. I think any principal should be happy to accept a digitally signed copy and print it and get a signed form in the event of an appeal whenever we get back to school. Also is there not a health risk getting an envelope from every member of staff that teach leaving cert?


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    #72
    6am7f9zxrsjvnb
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    I’m done. Alignment meeting on Tuesday. Hopefully the student portal closes Wednesday. Hand them in Thursday.
    No reason for this to drag on .


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    #73
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,780 ✭✭✭amacca


    Lindsey Happy Asphalt wrote: »
    I’m done. Alignment meeting on Tuesday. Hopefully the student portal closes Wednesday. Hand them in Thursday.
    No reason for this to drag on .

    What "evidence" have you used if you don't mind me asking?

    What portion of your ranking/grades would you say is due to your professional judgement and what portion would be down to cold hard stats like class tests, house exams etc....again if you don't mind me asking?

    Are you printing the forms out and signing them?


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    #74
    6am7f9zxrsjvnb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭6am7f9zxrsjvnb


    amacca wrote: »
    What "evidence" have you used if you don't mind me asking?

    What portion of your ranking/grades would you say is due to your professional judgement and what portion would be down to cold hard stats like class tests, house exams etc....again if you don't mind me asking?

    Are you printing the forms out and signing them?
    To be honest, I’d prefer not to go into detail. The title of Black Sabbath’s biggest hit comes to mind!!

    I printed out form B at home. I‘lol get the form As at school.


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    #75
    km79
    Registered Users Posts: 48,137 ✭✭✭✭km79


    Lindsey Happy Asphalt wrote: »
    To be honest, I’d prefer not to go into detail. The title of Black Sabbath’s biggest hit comes to mind!!

    I printed out form B at home. I‘lol get the form As at school.

    I deleted my post as it quoted yours and you have now made me paranoid :D


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    #76
    6am7f9zxrsjvnb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 430 ✭✭6am7f9zxrsjvnb


    km79 wrote: »
    I deleted my post as it quoted yours and you have now made me paranoid :D

    Fair play..much appreciated!!


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    #77
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Is there a video on this ?


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    #78
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,780 ✭✭✭amacca


    Lindsey Happy Asphalt wrote: »
    To be honest, I’d prefer not to go into detail. The title of Black Sabbath’s biggest hit comes to mind!!

    I printed out form B at home. I‘lol get the form As at school.

    Fair enough,

    Understood, I think I know where you're coming from.

    Great song too:D


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    #79
    amacca
    Registered Users Posts: 6,780 ✭✭✭amacca


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Is there a video on this ?

    I'd say it's that video posted earlier..................


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    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    amacca wrote: »
    I'd say it's that video posted earlier..................

    I will look for it.
    I'm.aghast that people think this will be done next week. That's nuts. The document only came out Friday.


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    #81
    km79
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    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    Training video up

    https://vimeo.com/421625482

    If you've the document read there's nothing new in it

    There you go Bob

    Regarding getting it completed by next week.
    There are only so many times you can look at a list of 20 students and their results before you start making a mess of it imo !


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    #82
    6am7f9zxrsjvnb
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    km79 wrote: »
    There you go Bob

    Regarding getting it completed by next week.
    There are only so many times you can look at a list of 20 students and their results before you start making a mess of it imo !

    Agreed. Dougal, Ted and the car for the raffle come to mind.


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    #83
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Grades done

    I have 2 LC subjects.

    Bout 5hrs yesterday and 7 hrs today.
    (different sized classes and I had all evidence lined up already, just went thro the usual marking schemes with each candidate in mind)

    Forms next.


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    #84
    paddybarry
    Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭paddybarry


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    Grades done

    I have 2 LC subjects.

    Bout 5hrs yesterday and 7 hrs today.
    (different sized classes and I had all evidence lined up already, just went thro the usual marking schemes with each candidate in mind)

    Forms next.
    Is school sending you out forms?


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    #85
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    paddybarry wrote: »
    Is school sending you out forms?

    Think they are. Gonna print them myself anyway and start filling what I can tomorrow


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    #86
    rainbowtrout
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    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I will look for it.
    I'm.aghast that people think this will be done next week. That's nuts. The document only came out Friday.

    Which is more or less the exact same document that was released two weeks ago. You can dress it up whatever way you want, but most people will be getting an average of house exams and then from there professional judgement comes into it as to how much they reasonably think the student will improve. Sitting looking at the spreadsheet for three weeks won't change that.

    If your student was a H4 yesterday, they will still be a H4 next week.


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    #87
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    I haven't even read the bleeding document. Still teaching
    Plus I'd be wary of just sending forms off as there have been so many flip flops.
    How complicated are the forms ? Have not looked!


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    #88
    Bobtheman
    Registered Users Posts: 2,648 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    It's Guess work . I had a student who was lumbering around a D suddenly getting a B in the Mocks. Even allowing for leaks that was good. He got his act together and with the entire paper in front did quite well.

    Hard to guess his grade !


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    #89
    rainbowtrout
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    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I haven't even read the bleeding document. Still teaching
    Plus I'd be wary of just sending forms off as there have been so many flip flops.
    How complicated are the forms ? Have not looked!
    Bobtheman wrote: »
    It's Guess work . I had a student who were lumbering around a D suddenly getting a B in the Mocks. Even allowing for leaks that was good. He got his act together and with the entire paper in front did quite well.

    Hard to guess his grade !

    You were the very one for the last two weeks just constantly going on about 'just inflate their grades'. Why don't you just read the documentation and maybe see what is involved.

    Being 'tempted' to give someone 55 because their grades have gone between a B and a D sounds like someone throwing darts and a board and picking a grade out at random.


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    #90
    jimmytwotimes 2013
    Registered Users Posts: 4,765 ✭✭✭jimmytwotimes 2013


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    I haven't even read the bleeding document. Still teaching
    Plus I'd be wary of just sending forms off as there have been so many flip flops.
    How complicated are the forms ? Have not looked!

    There's not much to the forms. The work is in gathering your data, making a spreadsheet and ranking your class.

    Predicting grades then, I went through marking schemes again for each student considering what they knew and how they wud be marked, that took a good while.

    The forms are only Name, Number, Subject, Level, School Roll Number

    Few tick boxes, only thing to watch for is special accommodation and bonus marks for answering thro Irish. This will be the less tedious part of the job, I hope :)


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    #91
    trihead
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭trihead


    jimmytwotimes 2013 wrote: »
    There's not much to the forms. The work is in gathering your data, making a spreadsheet and ranking your class.

    Predicting grades then, I went through marking schemes again for each student considering what they knew and how they wud be marked, that took a good while.

    The forms are only Name, Number, Subject, Level, School Roll Number

    Few tick boxes, only thing to watch for is special accommodation and bonus marks for answering thro Irish. This will be the less tedious part of the job, I hope :)

    For anyone who missed them - The official forms are in the Appendices of the circular if you have access to a printer at home. Forms A and B are the ones teachers need.


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