Guns N' Roses Discussion Thread

Furious-Red · 30-12-2011 1:40pm

Slash has spoken about the possibility of the original line-up of Guns N' Roses reuniting for their induction into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame.

The band were confirmed to be added to the roll of honour along with The Faces/The Small Faces, Red Hot Chili Peppers and Beastie Boys and will be inducted at a ceremony in Cleveland, Ohio, on April 14, 2012 and Slash has said that he is not keen to revisit all the previous tensions between him and former frontman Axl Rose.

Speaking to Esquire, the guitarist said he wants to bury the hatchet with Rose and that the split between the two of them originally happened very quietly.

He said: "The split between Axl and I was a quiet one. But because there was so much attention on the break-up - and are we going to get back together - it got built up into this monster that led to a kind of animosity that wasn't the focus for me. Neither one of us wants to be down each other's throats for no reason. At this point, I'm trying to put it to rest."

He also said that he remains proud of the band's achievements and said that it remains "as sincere as any rock 'n' roll that I've ever heard".

He said: "When I see footage of Guns N' Roses, I see that ****ing hunger and attitude. You could not **** with those five guys. It was just raw. It was this lean, hungry thing on its way up. It was as sincere as any rock 'n' roll that I've ever heard, and I'm proud of that."

rednik · 30-12-2011 6:34pm

Streaming tonight,

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-to-stream-tonights-las-vegas-concert-live-online/

Motley Crue · 30-12-2011 10:08pm

From what I'm being told a GNR UK Arena tour is going on sale in January 2012, and an Irish date is being considered

RonMexico · 31-12-2011 5:27pm

After the last fiasco and Axl's persistant voice problems on this tour they won't get a penny off me. As far as I am concerned they&their promoter owe me close to €100.

scudzilla · 31-12-2011 6:48pm

What mugs will pay close to €100 for an Axl & co ticket when he could walk off after 5 mins.

I didn't fall for it last time as knew what would probably happen and I sure as hell won't fall for it in the future

PTH2009 · 31-12-2011 7:15pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

From what I'm being told a GNR UK Arena tour is going on sale in January 2012, and an Irish date is being considered

MCD can learn from there mistakes. If he does walk off at this show than full refunds should be given

RonMexico · 31-12-2011 8:27pm

Yeah right :pac: MCD were totally unprofessional in their handling of that last gig, much like Mr. Rose. I have zero confidence in the pair of them.

Motley Crue · 01-01-2012 12:28am

The show from last night is being passed around as a pro shot affair

And the show tonight will also be professionally taped and distributed. It's not great in terms of voice quality (Axl sounds like he's drowning amid shouting at some points from Tommy) but it is the best pro shot footage of the band I've seen in a long time in terms of how it was filmed and the amount of footage you get of the other band members as well as Axl

For some reason Chris Pittman seemed to be mysteriously absent from last night's performance....he didn't seem to be on the footage at all....

Mental Mickey · 02-01-2012 7:33pm

scudzilla wrote: »

What mugs will pay close to €100 for an Axl & co ticket when he could walk off after 5 mins.

I didn't fall for it last time as knew what would probably happen and I sure as hell won't fall for it in the future

Axl is a washed-up has-been. He should(imo)let the GnR name die with dignity.

Motley Crue · 03-01-2012 11:17am

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Axl is a washed-up has-been. He should(imo)let the GnR name die with dignity.

IN MY OPINION....not to be meant as any sort of attack on yourself personally, just as a general word to those who have expressed a similar opinion to your own on these Boards.ie

You're entitled to your opinion, but the fact is that I've seen washed up, I've seen washed up so badly they could hardly find the stage they were so pissed and they played off key the entire night. I've seen bands fall on their arse due to being wasted and then singing the wrong lyrics to the wrong songs.

Fact is, Axl is not washed up, and if you don't want to see him then you're perfectly within your right's to either bash him or just not attend any GNR performances...but please, enough with the "let the name die" bull**** because anyone old enough to have seen the "original" or the "classic" or the "ultimate" Guns N' Roses line up in concert will tell you, without hesitation, that that band had more problems and more addictions between 5/6/7 members then a rehab clinic

Guns N' Roses were a bunch of snot nosed bullish youth's who could barely play instruments, so a record company took them and polished them into a fine diamond of money making potential, not really giving a crap about the members (current or former) and tossed them into the snakepit. NOBODY foretold how popular this band we're going to become, outselling not only their LA mainstays like Motley Crue but also outselling bands like Metallica and even outselling Pop bands...this was unheard of.

What happened? Most of the members got so drunk they didn't realise what day it was, snorted so much cocaine they were running out of money on the highest grossing tour in US history at it's peak, and performed a set of acceptable and bullish Punk/Rock/Metal songs that managed to make them millionaires. On top of that their lead vocalist was allowed to get away with absurd behaviour and this was tolerated because nobody could restrain him or tell him what to do - yet, despite not performing in cities named 'M' after his physic told him he would be shot there, despite leaving a gig after 10 minutes due to faulty sound which resulted in riots (and the fans could have chosen to be pissed and leave, like in Dublin, or they could choose to beat the police and overturn vehicles and smash the glass of the arena like in St Louis) he was still forced to go on tour once with a broken foot, because, the label told him he had too.

It's funny how people look back at GNR with rose tinted glasses and say "hey, this band was the pinnacle of rock and roll excess, the most dangerous band (and the coolest and most talented) in the world" but the fact is, it's well documented, that the old GNR were just nostalgia defined. That's why Duff McKagan just supported GNR in America, because he can't remember those audiences the first several times around, and he wasn't sober and old enough to appreciate it.

rednik · 03-01-2012 11:48am

I would agree with you Motley. The band have treated fans like crap for a long time. I can remember Slane though the performance was fantastic the wait was ridiculous.

The band have been getting good reviews on their US tour and thiis is on the GNR forums as Ron would know. I don't believe Axl is washed up and I look forward to seeing the band again but I find it hard to believe they will play here again.

Here is a link to a poll for tour of the year 2011 which includes Rush, GNR, Motley Crue, Journey and Alice Cooper. 230,000 voted in this poll.

http://ultimateclassicrock.com/guns-n-roses-2011-tour-of-the-year-winner/

Mental Mickey · 03-01-2012 2:11pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

IN MY OPINION....not to be meant as any sort of attack on yourself personally, just as a general word to those who have expressed a similar opinion to your own on these Boards.ie

You're entitled to your opinion, but the fact is that I've seen washed up, I've seen washed up so badly they could hardly find the stage they were so pissed and they played off key the entire night. I've seen bands fall on their arse due to being wasted and then singing the wrong lyrics to the wrong songs.

Fact is, Axl is not washed up, and if you don't want to see him then you're perfectly within your right's to either bash him or just not attend any GNR performances...but please, enough with the "let the name die" bull**** because anyone old enough to have seen the "original" or the "classic" or the "ultimate" Guns N' Roses line up in concert will tell you, without hesitation, that that band had more problems and more addictions between 5/6/7 members then a rehab clinic

Guns N' Roses were a bunch of snot nosed bullish youth's who could barely play instruments, so a record company took them and polished them into a fine diamond of money making potential, not really giving a crap about the members (current or former) and tossed them into the snakepit. NOBODY foretold how popular this band we're going to become, outselling not only their LA mainstays like Motley Crue but also outselling bands like Metallica and even outselling Pop bands...this was unheard of.

What happened? Most of the members got so drunk they didn't realise what day it was, snorted so much cocaine they were running out of money on the highest grossing tour in US history at it's peak, and performed a set of acceptable and bullish Punk/Rock/Metal songs that managed to make them millionaires. On top of that their lead vocalist was allowed to get away with absurd behaviour and this was tolerated because nobody could restrain him or tell him what to do - yet, despite not performing in cities named 'M' after his physic told him he would be shot there, despite leaving a gig after 10 minutes due to faulty sound which resulted in riots (and the fans could have chosen to be pissed and leave, like in Dublin, or they could choose to beat the police and overturn vehicles and smash the glass of the arena like in St Louis) he was still forced to go on tour once with a broken foot, because, the label told him he had too.

It's funny how people look back at GNR with rose tinted glasses and say "hey, this band was the pinnacle of rock and roll excess, the most dangerous band (and the coolest and most talented) in the world" but the fact is, it's well documented, that the old GNR were just nostalgia defined. That's why Duff McKagan just supported GNR in America, because he can't remember those audiences the first several times around, and he wasn't sober and old enough to appreciate it.

Maybe "washed-up" was/is the wrong term, but I really do believe that Axl's(and GnR's)best days are long gone. "Chinese Democracy" just cements this for me(in my opinion).

Motley Crue · 03-01-2012 2:26pm

rednik wrote: »

I would agree with you Motley. The band have treated fans like crap for a long time. I can remember Slane though the performance was fantastic the wait was ridiculous.

Indeed, and it's good to see they're able to actually tour the US and provide amazing shows for people who really enjoy their music. I'd encourage you to check out the Las Vegas and LA pro shot material from November and December 2011, case in point of a band with good chemistry.

A lot of people seem to forget that if Slash or Duff was wasted and unable to play on-stage, it was usually Axl who got the blame as he was a front man and bore that burden, but their UK Stadium tour in 1992 was nearly cancelled (and all the shows dramatically cut down) because Duff was so sick from drinking

RonMexico · 05-01-2012 4:32pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

Fact is, Axl is not washed up, and if you don't want to see him then you're perfectly within your right's to either bash him or just not attend any GNR performances...but please, enough with the "let the name die" bull**** because anyone old enough to have seen the "original" or the "classic" or the "ultimate" Guns N' Roses line up in concert will tell you, without hesitation, that that band had more problems and more addictions between 5/6/7 members then a rehab clinic

And...your point is what exactly?

Guns N' Roses were a bunch of snot nosed bullish youth's who could barely play instruments, so a record company took them and polished them into a fine diamond of money making potential, not really giving a crap about the members (current or former) and tossed them into the snakepit. NOBODY foretold how popular this band we're going to become, outselling not only their LA mainstays like Motley Crue but also outselling bands like Metallica and even outselling Pop bands...this was unheard of.

Sorry but the bit in bold is rubbish.

RonMexico · 05-01-2012 4:39pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

A lot of people seem to forget that if Slash or Duff was wasted and unable to play on-stage, it was usually Axl who got the blame as he was a front man and bore that burden, but their UK Stadium tour in 1992 was nearly cancelled (and all the shows dramatically cut down) because Duff was so sick from drinking

How many shows were cancelled/delayed because of Slash&Duff and how many were cancelled/delayed because of Axl?

Axl wins that one by a mile. In fact I don't recall any show being delayed/cancelled because of anyone other than Axl.

He might not be "washed up" these days but he certainly is unprofessional and out of shape. His voice on this latest tour has been all over the place because he couldn't be arsed rehearsing or getting in shape for the tour.

He has released one mediocre album in 17 years. I'd say bar losing his voice completely he is damn close to being considered washed up & irrelevant. Lucky that he has a great touring band to make up for his crappy attitude. We will see how long it lasts.

Motley Crue · 05-01-2012 5:14pm

RonMexico wrote: »

Axl wins that one by a mile. In fact I don't recall any show being delayed/cancelled because of anyone other than Axl.

He might not be "washed up" these days but he certainly is unprofessional and out of shape. His voice on this latest tour has been all over the place because he couldn't be arsed rehearsing or getting in shape for the tour.

Where is this coming from? He's 49 and didn't sing live for almost a decade in his 30s, that kind of damage has to be made up, and compared to how he sounded in 2002 he sounds a hell of a lot better.

And while it's true that Axl's cancellations have more well documented then Duff or Slash's (or because Duff and Slash would go on stage drunk and high and Axl wouldn't go on if he hadn't had the right water) Axl is doing a far better job then Vince Neil, who is someone who has constantly gone out and performed when he cannot compete with the speed of the songs, cannot remember the lyrics and just cannot sing. And I love MOTLEY CRUE but it's just Nikki and Sixx AM trying now.

RonMexico · 05-01-2012 5:41pm

Are we supposed to feel sorry for him now or something? His problems have been all of his own doing from day one. He has treated people like dirt since he could open his mouth and now it is all coming back to bite him on the ass. Fact is, as talented as Axl Rose is, he chose to spend his thirties out of the limelight pursuing all manner of quakery, mystics and new age mumbo jumbo, filling his head with nonsense not to mention that Brazilian housekeeper of his and her family who are the closest thing to Yoko Ono there is.

The guy has wasted his talent when he should have been at his prime. His output since GNR broke up has exposed him for what he is - a talented, narcisstic nut with a persecution complex who chose to alienate all his bandmates and in the process spend millions on what has turned out to be the most expensive flop album of all time.

He hasn't dragged GNR's legacy through the mud, only his own. Everyone in the music business knows that he is a fruit and he has burned so many bridges now he has to resort to being managed by his housekeeper.

He might not be burned out but he is certainly in Spinal Tap territory these days.

Mental Mickey · 05-01-2012 5:43pm

RonMexico wrote: »

Are we supposed to feel sorry for him now or something? His problems have been all of his own doing from day one. He has treated people like dirt since he could open his mouth and now it is all coming back to bite him on the ass. Fact is, as talented as Axl Rose is, he chose to spend his thirties out of the limelight pursuing all manner of quakery, mystics and new age mumbo jumbo, filling his head with nonsense not to mention that Brazilian housekeeper of his and her family who are the closest thing to Yoko Ono there is.

The guy has wasted his talent when he should have been at his prime. His output since GNR broke up has exposed him for what he is - a talented, narcisstic nut with a persecution complex who chose to alienate all his bandmates and in the process spend millions on what has turned out to be the most expensive flop album of all time.

He hasn't dragged GNR's legacy through the mud, only his own. Everyone in the music business knows that he is a fruit and he has burned so many bridges now he has to resort to being managed by his housekeeper.

He might not be burned out but he is certainly in Spinal Tap territory these days.

LOL

Motley Crue · 05-01-2012 10:42pm

RonMexico wrote: »

Fact is, as talented as Axl Rose is, he chose to spend his thirties out of the limelight pursuing all manner of quakery, mystics and new age mumbo jumbo, filling his head with nonsense not to mention that Brazilian housekeeper of his and her family who are the closest thing to Yoko Ono there is.

That couldn't be a fact since we don't actually know what Axl spent the best part of 10 years doing. He could have been up a mountain in Tibet, but asides from a vague sighting at a TOOL concert and that time he got arrested in an Airport in 1999, very very little information was about.

You think Axl is weird? What about all this stuff that Buckethead did, when he watched hardcore pornography in a chicken coop they built for him in the studio?

Anyway, thing is, Axl has his strings pulled by someone else...he is very detached with reality, but I pity him...and I wouldn't get so upset. As long as he keeps performing in concert and releasing records I'll go to see him and buy the albums.

Come to think of it, Elvis went this way too, didn't he?

lord lucan · 05-01-2012 11:26pm

One of the reasons Slash and Duff often turned up late was due to Axl's late starts. Slash mentions in his book that on the UYI tour they would turn up for the show and be ready to go. Axl would often fail to turn up until 23.00 or later so they had nothing better to do than read porn mags and knock back bottles of JD.

Axl would then saunter in and declare he was ready and the boys,wasted from hours of tedium and drinking would hit the stage. How they even played some of the shows given their level of coherence is beyond me.

scudzilla · 05-01-2012 11:49pm

Also in Duff's book he mentioned the final gig of the tour in Barcelona i think it was.

Him and Slash were called into the managers office and asked to sign a contract sayin that Axl had sole rights to the GnR name should either of them leave the band, if they refused to sign then Axl was not going to perform that night!!!!

Mental Mickey · 06-01-2012 9:56am

scudzilla wrote: »

Also in Duff's book he mentioned the final gig of the tour in Barcelona i think it was.

Him and Slash were called into the managers office and asked to sign a contract sayin that Axl had sole rights to the GnR name should either of them leave the band, if they refused to sign then Axl was not going to perform that night!!!!

The version that I heard of that story was/is that Axl made the other members of the band sign the same contract at the beginning of the band's life.

There is so much bull**** going around about these guys, nobody knows who/what to believe any more. :rolleyes:

Motley Crue · 06-01-2012 10:25am

Listen, at the end of the day, I don't care about Axl Rose as a person. But I do care about his musical ability because I enjoy listening to him and I want to hear him make more music (if for nothing else to make up for the 17 years between Spaghetti and Chinese Democracy)

He has told Eddie Trunk that he has at least 2 more albums worth of material, he has that recorded on tape and told the audience on VH1's Metal Show that this is true, so working with that I'd like to hear those other albums. And I like his performances, I feel their high energy and I get my money's worth (most of the time obviously) so I feel satisfied

And I'll say this, as much as I hate to admit it, during those first 5 songs in Dublin he was on the ball...he was exactly what I paid to see...and that's the kind of thing I've experienced at other venues. And that's the kind of thing other people just experienced in the US. Long let that continue.

Don't forget the bull****, don't feel sorry for him, hate him all you want...but he doesn't care, his fans don't care, and you'll end up wasting your hate....to quote James Hetfield

I just love his music, not who he is or what he looks like or what he stands for...if anything...I just listen to the music

RonMexico · 06-01-2012 12:35pm

I'm not wasting any hate, what I wasted was close to €100 the last time he rolled into town. Next time he is here I'll keep my money and instead wait for Slash or Duff to come and deliver great performances as the professionals that they are.

Mental Mickey · 06-01-2012 12:46pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

Listen, at the end of the day, I don't care about Axl Rose as a person. But I do care about his musical ability because I enjoy listening to him and I want to hear him make more music (if for nothing else to make up for the 17 years between Spaghetti and Chinese Democracy)

He has told Eddie Trunk that he has at least 2 more albums worth of material, he has that recorded on tape and told the audience on VH1's Metal Show that this is true, so working with that I'd like to hear those other albums. And I like his performances, I feel their high energy and I get my money's worth (most of the time obviously) so I feel satisfied

And I'll say this, as much as I hate to admit it, during those first 5 songs in Dublin he was on the ball...he was exactly what I paid to see...and that's the kind of thing I've experienced at other venues. And that's the kind of thing other people just experienced in the US. Long let that continue.

Don't forget the bull****, don't feel sorry for him, hate him all you want...but he doesn't care, his fans don't care, and you'll end up wasting your hate....to quote James Hetfield

I just love his music, not who he is or what he looks like or what he stands for...if anything...I just listen to the music

This is the problem. I didn't go to the last gig in the 02, but the s**tstorm that occured at the venue - and the abuse that he and MCD got aftewards - could have been avoided if he apologised to the people who paid good money to go to his concert.

The basic fact is, the guy doesn't have the manners/intelligence to do this, which is why he gets so much abuse.

I've seen them/him in concert twice: Slane '92 and the RDS in '06, and the difference in his behaviour was unreal. In 92, he kept the crowd waiting for over an hour, but in 06, he came onstage bang on time. My thinking behind this is, if it's his own gig, he doesn't give a flying ****, but if it's part of a festival(which the RDS gig was), he seems to pull his reins in.....?

Motley Crue · 06-01-2012 12:59pm

RonMexico wrote: »

I'm not wasting any hate, what I wasted was close to €100 the last time he rolled into town. Next time he is here I'll keep my money and instead wait for Slash or Duff to come and deliver great performances as the professionals that they are.

OK, no problem, and I know that these guys will put on a really professional show

I'm going to see Gilby in Edinburgh next month, and I expect him to be putting on an incredible show, he's only charging £11 for the pleasure.

Mental Mickey wrote: »

The basic fact is, the guy doesn't have the manners/intelligence to do this, which is why he gets so much abuse.

I'm not going to disagree with you, he's a very ignorant man, and lives in a bubble. But I enjoy his talent so I will continue listening to his music. But no, unlike bands such as Fear Factory and In Flames, he doesn't live on planet earth - he lives in a cocoon and expects everything to wait for him.

I completely agree with you, but I like the new GNR, I like their members and their image - so I'm happy to keep supporting them

But I completely agree that what happened in September 2010 at the 02 was a disgrace and shouldn't have been stood for. Yet, Ireland seemed to let MCD get away with their actions, as opposed to making sure everyone get refunded (because we know some people did, but MCD managed to - yet again - keep that quiet, didn't they?)

Mental Mickey · 06-01-2012 1:02pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

OK, no problem, and I know that these guys will put on a really professional show

I'm going to see Gilby in Edinburgh next month, and I expect him to be putting on an incredible show, he's only charging £11 for the pleasure.

I'm not going to disagree with you, he's a very ignorant man, and lives in a bubble. But I enjoy his talent so I will continue listening to his music. But no, unlike bands such as Fear Factory and In Flames, he doesn't live on planet earth - he lives in a cocoon and expects everything to wait for him.

I completely agree with you, but I like the new GNR, I like their members and their image - so I'm happy to keep supporting them
But I completely agree that what happened in September 2010 at the 02 was a disgrace and shouldn't have been stood for. Yet, Ireland seemed to let MCD get away with their actions, as opposed to making sure everyone get refunded (because we know some people did, but MCD managed to - yet again - keep that quiet, didn't they?)

That's fair enough. I have Chinese Democracy, and, save for a couple of tracks, it's an overblown, over-produced pile of ****(just my opinion). Not worth the millions spent on it, or the years it took to complete.

RonMexico · 06-01-2012 4:12pm

Slightly off topic but have you guys heard that Velvet Revolver are reuniting for a "one-off" show this month, some sort of fundraiser.

Hope it goes well and they decide to go back on the road down the line. Saw them in Denver in 2005 and they were absolutely brilliant. Insane gig.

Motley Crue · 06-01-2012 5:35pm

RonMexico wrote: »

Slightly off topic but have you guys heard that Velvet Revolver are reuniting for a "one-off" show this month, some sort of fundraiser.

Hope it goes well and they decide to go back on the road down the line. Saw them in Denver in 2005 and they were absolutely brilliant. Insane gig.

I saw them as well, in Dublin in 2005 and then again in 2008 over 2 nights in the Ambassador, the atmosphere at the latter concerts was the most insane I'd ever seen. You could see the break up coming from a mile off. I'm surprised they agreed to play those gigs tbh

Yes, great band, of course...their live performances were incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow4GICRSQOE

Mental Mickey · 06-01-2012 5:38pm

Motley Crue wrote: »

I saw them as well, in Dublin in 2005 and then again in 2008 over 2 nights in the Ambassador, the atmosphere at the latter concerts was the most insane I'd ever seen. You could see the break up coming from a mile off. I'm surprised they agreed to play those gigs tbh

Yes, great band, of course...their live performances were incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow4GICRSQOE

I was at one of the Ambassador gigs too. Thought it was s***e. And yeah, apparently, they already had decided to part ways with Weiland after the first show on that UK tour(they had a blazing row onstage in Wales). Went to the gig in 2005. F***ing mental gig, that was.

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