Should we stop bullying the United Kingdom?

EdgeCase · 03-06-2018 9:49pm

It wouldn’t be an simple integration. I would suspect you’d end up with a federal Ireland.

LincolnsBeard · 03-06-2018 10:19pm

RobertKK wrote: »

48% are our friends, the others caused much unneeded problems for everyone, and if we are bullying them over Brexit, tough, I heard a Brexit supporter on TV say how the British empire was a good thing and I think there is a section of Brexit with that mentality.
Down through the centuries our allies have been on the continent, not Britain.
I don't think Brexit was the actions of a friend, they forgot we existed when they were debating about a bus slogan.
They jumped off a cliff and if we have to bully them to avoid them dragging us down with them, so be it.
They have the most idiotic government on this continent.

Ireland is a cuck nation afraid to run its own affairs.

I don't wish to sound rude, but you massively overestimate your importance in affairs such as these.

03-06-2018 11:26pm

EdgeCase wrote: »

Great rebuttal there! Well done. You must be proud.
You have not actually countered any of my points.

In my experience of having lived in the UK I have always found it has a completely confused sense of national identity. I’ve found a lot of English people disown Northern Ireland either due to ignorance or because they want to distance themselves from it when it’s doing something awkwardly embarrassing and it *is* a modern country bolted to a legacy system that included an actual formalised class system and an archaic mess in the upper house, that literally does include all the bishops of the Church of England.

How can it be a formalized class system when quite literally anyone can become a member of the House of Lords? Or are you still under the uneducated belief that all Lords are hereditary land owners?

EdgeCase wrote: »

the periphery is very much ignored in debate, as there’s no federal system and a kind of weird mishmash of very recent devolution.

the uk isn’t a federal state, it doesn’t pretend to be. Peripheral parts of all countries get ignored, or are you trying to claim that Donegal and Dublin are treated equally here?

EdgeCase wrote: »

You’ve also got NI running as a political system in parallel with different parties in Westminster, and Scotland moving that way with the rise of the SNP which is quite an odd setup.

I do find it’s an odd mix of a modern democracy bolted to a class system and the remnants of an aristocratic system.

The single biggest mess in Brexit has been caused by a mass assumption that the EU border was in Dover not on the Irish border, as it’s not in England.

You can get angry about that being pointed out, but it’s fact.

I’m not angry about it at all, just pointing out that you are talking ****e. You come from from a small country with a simple and somewhat inept) political system. The uk is far bigger and has a more complex system thanks to the diverse nature that is present in larger economies.

EdgeCase · 04-06-2018 12:08am

Yeah, Ireland's simple and inept and the UK's amazing and brilliant.

UK 20th century internal issues:

Northern Ireland troubles and the lead up to them, 1976 IMF bailout following several years of economic chaos (e.g. 24.20% inflation in 1975). It really wasn't too far removed from what's going on in Italy today in many ways. 1980s violent strikes ultimately culminating in the poll tax riots by the the end of Thatcher's era. 2008 banking collapse which mirrors exactly what happened here and also caused by light touch regulation and failure to catch what was going on, leading to a vast state bailout and nationalisation of several banks and one of the largest corporate failures in history .... and now Brexit.

I really don't think you've any right to be finger wagging and lecturing just because someone's dared to critique the UK from the rather close perspective of next-door.

Also, I'm not saying Ireland's perfect. I have and will continue to critique all sorts of stuff here too. I just think sometimes you have to stand back and look at what you're actually dealing with and set aside patriotism, exceptionalism and revisionism.

An Claidheamh · 04-06-2018 12:17am

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

Ireland is a cuck nation afraid to run its own affairs.

I don't wish to sound rude, but you massively overestimate your importance in affairs such as these.

Says the "country" actually incapable of leaving the EU and who want Ireland to fix Britain's border problem????

Are you all so deluded?

Incidentally, we never asked to manage your affairs.
We didn't vote to leave the EU.
Your soldiers are the ones terrified of policing a border.

At the end of the day, Britain will have a humiliating climb down.

You Brexiteers are delinquents, you don't know what you're doing and the whole world knows it.

If the Brits had any dignity left they'd scrap the whole thing.

Grayson · 04-06-2018 12:21am

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

Ireland is a cuck nation afraid to run its own affairs.

I don't wish to sound rude, but you massively overestimate your importance in affairs such as these.

I don't know if you know how the EU works. We'll have a final vote on any brexit deal. Just like every other country in Europe. If we disagree, that's all that matters.

the UK however has to come up with a deal that's acceptable to every state in Europe. Even the devolved ones. And you saw how hard it was to get the Canada deal through.

Britain is fcuked.

An Claidheamh · 04-06-2018 12:21am

Aegir wrote: »

How can it be a formalized class system when quite literally anyone can become a member of the House of Lords? Or are you still under the uneducated belief that all Lords are hereditary land owners?

the uk isn’t a federal state, it doesn’t pretend to be. Peripheral parts of all countries get ignored, or are you trying to claim that Donegal and Dublin are treated equally here?

I’m not angry about it at all, just pointing out that you are talking ****e. You come from from a small country with a simple and somewhat inept) political system. The uk is far bigger and has a more complex system thanks to the diverse nature that is present in larger economies.

Oh dear.

You're actually defending the class system, privilege and think it's due to it's "diverse" nature?

I'm sorry Aegir but you must be backward to believe in that nonsense.

You're why Brexit happened.

You cannot fix yourselves so you blame the EU.

With that jingoistic attitude, and when the UK economy tanks, Britain will be a nation of cap doffing chimney sweeps with more inequality, more ignorance and a lower quality of life.

Who will they blame for that?

Immigrants? The EU? Scotland?

EdgeCase · 04-06-2018 12:32am

Aegir: I'd also point out that I have lived in England. I am partly English and I have a ton of English relatives, including people who've been involved in English and UK politics.

I'm very fond of many aspects of England and I have a lot of attachment to the place but it doesn't mean that I just think everything's perfect - It's a real country run by humans, so of course it isn't perfect. There will always be flaws. There'll always be blindness to problems, poorly structured systems, legacies of systems that plainly don't work very well and all of that.

There's another side to England that's all about vibrancy, open mindedness, progressive thinking and unfortunately that's drowning in this bitter, twisted, jingoistic mess. I sincerely hope it manages to find a life raft fairly soon as otherwise, I just feel that England and the UK is in for a pretty unpleasant decade and a long period of trying to undo a lot of damage.

Hopefully some kind of common sense outcome prevails in the end and this sorry saga is consigned to the history books, along with Donald Trump.

eeguy · 04-06-2018 1:06am

A handover would not be immediate. It would take at least a decade of piecemeal transfer to an Irish system.
Maybe something similar to how Hong Kong was transferred.

04-06-2018 6:57am

EdgeCase wrote: »

Yeah, Ireland's simple and inept and the UK's amazing and brilliant.

I didn’t say that though did I.

EdgeCase wrote: »

UK 20th century internal issues:

Northern Ireland troubles and the lead up to them, 1976 IMF bailout following several years of economic chaos (e.g. 24.20% inflation in 1975). It really wasn't too far removed from what's going on in Italy today in many ways. 1980s violent strikes ultimately culminating in the poll tax riots by the the end of Thatcher's era. 2008 banking collapse which mirrors exactly what happened here and also caused by light touch regulation and failure to catch what was going on, leading to a vast state bailout and nationalisation of several banks and one of the largest corporate failures in history .... and now Brexit.

I really don't think you've any right to be finger wagging and lecturing just because someone's dared to critique the UK from the rather close perspective of next-door.

Err you’re the one finger pointing, not me. You are bringing up an event that happened over 40 years ago and trying to make it relevant? Jesus, you are desperate for a few thanks aren’t you.

EdgeCase wrote: »

Also, I'm not saying Ireland's perfect. I have and will continue to critique all sorts of stuff here too. I just think sometimes you have to stand back and look at what you're actually dealing with and set aside patriotism, exceptionalism and revisionism.

Which would be fine, if you were actually correct, but you’re not, you’re talking ****e.

04-06-2018 7:00am

An Claidheamh wrote: »

Oh dear.

You're actually defending the class system, privilege and think it's due to it's "diverse" nature?

I'm sorry Aegir but you must be backward to believe in that nonsense.

You're why Brexit happened.

You cannot fix yourselves so you blame the EU.

With that jingoistic attitude, and when the UK economy tanks, Britain will be a nation of cap doffing chimney sweeps with more inequality, more ignorance and a lower quality of life.

Who will they blame for that?

Immigrants? The EU? Scotland?

Another poster who has no idea what they’re talking about. You really need to educate yourself on the upper house of the uk parliament.

Quite literally, anyone can become a member of the House of Lords.

04-06-2018 9:22am

Aegir, can you tell me how crashing out of the EU will benefit the UK? If you can't, can you tell me why a soft Brexit would benefit?

Very simple questions. No tangents please.

04-06-2018 9:23am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Aegir, can you tell me how crashing out of the EU will benefit the UK? If you can't, can you tell me why a soft Brexit would benefit?

Very simple questions. No tangents please.

I don’t know, why are you asking me?

04-06-2018 9:25am

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

Ireland is a cuck nation afraid to run its own affairs.

I don't wish to sound rude, but you massively overestimate your importance in affairs such as these.

If the EU ignores Ireland's blocking of a bad deal, you'll be right. If it acknowledges our grievances, you'll be wrong.

As for being a cuck nation, that doesn't make any sense. In what way are we afraid to run our own affairs?

04-06-2018 9:26am

Aegir wrote: »

I don’t know, why are you asking me?

It's the topic of the thread, and you're one of the few here I thought were in favour of it.

04-06-2018 10:08am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's the topic of the thread, and you're one of the few here I thought were in favour of it.

Then you’re mistaken.

I’m no fan of the EU itself, but leaving the EU is madness.

I can see why it happened though and despite what a lot of Irish people like to think, it had little to do with empire, jingoism or what ever other tired cliche the usual people come up with, it was a combination of factors and the referendum was the channel used to air them.

Ewan Hoosarmi · 04-06-2018 10:18am

Aegir wrote: »

Then you’re mistaken.

I’m no fan of the EU itself, but leaving the EU is madness.

I can see why it happened though and despite what a lot of Irish people like to think, it had little to do with empire, jingoism or what ever other tired cliche the usual people come up with, it was a combination of factors and the referendum was the channel used to air them.

I think I need to hand in my Boards ticket. I never thought I would agree with any of your posts.

However, now that Brexit is happening, all of the little Englanders are milking it for all it's worth. Now they feel empowered to bring back the good old times when Britain abused many countries around the world. Trouble is: those days are gone.

Taytoland · 04-06-2018 12:53pm

Aegir wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

It's the topic of the thread, and you're one of the few here I thought were in favour of it.

Then you’re mistaken.

I’m no fan of the EU itself, but leaving the EU is madness.

I can see why it happened though and despite what a lot of Irish people like to think, it had little to do with empire, jingoism or what ever other tired cliche the usual people come up with, it was a combination of factors and the referendum was the channel used to air them.

Leaving the EU is not madness. The EU hasn't reigned itself in and trying to create a Federal United States of Europe is something which many nation states citizens will just resist and will not want. Europe is NOT the United States, it has different cultures and different histories. It's frankly a mental idea and I am amazed the UK is the first country which has voted to leave. Won't be the last.

If the EU had given some concessions before the referendum and drifted back in the lane of just being an economic area then I would have voted remain instead of leave but they didn't budge, they never budge.

gormdubhgorm · 04-06-2018 2:10pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A British friend of mine told me today he felt Ireland was bullying the UK (I know!)over Brexit.

We can only do it with the help of our gallant allies of course now the UK is leaving and they despise them.

I do feel we may regret it down the road and that the Irish are somewhat awestruck with the sudden power they seem to have over the old foe, the tables turned etc.

It's a mirage - they'll fight on the beaches etc.

But aside from self interest maybe we should be supporting them? Sometimes I feel we are more British than Finchley ballsbridge.

They are our friends.

Nope, sure they don't even understand English!
The amount of times I have said "howaya" over in England and had to change it to "hello"...... to be understood :eek:

Also it is not our fault we are way better at the insults then the English for example:

'Go ndéana an diabhal dréimire de chnámh do dhroma ag piocadh úll i ngairdín Ifrinn!'

May the devil make a ladder of your backbone while picking apples in the garden of Hell!'

So in summary:

I think the UK should keep picking those apples in the hell they have created for themselves, while that Thresea May wan is climbing up and down thier backbone, waving to her majesty.

bobbysands81 · 04-06-2018 11:19pm

timthumbni wrote: »

I will be going nowhere chum. Do you find it embarrassing that the republic had to borrow billions of the uk to keep your lights on a few years back too..? Or is that different??

You won’t need to go anywhere. You’re more than welcome to stay here in a new shared future. We care about you guys far more than the rest of the (UK) ever did or could. Your life will be more prosperous and your views respected and enhanced, sure you’re here and at home already.

As for the loan from the UK, that was a business transaction which they’ve made a lot of money from and will continue to do so. It was no act of charity, but an act of capitalism.

seachto7 · 04-06-2018 11:39pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

You won’t need to go anywhere. You’re more than welcome to stay here in a new shared future. We care about you guys far more than the rest of the (UK) ever did or could. Your life will be more prosperous and your views respected and enhanced, sure you’re here and at home already.

As for the loan from the UK, that was a business transaction which they’ve made a lot of money from and will continue to do so. It was no act of charity, but an act of capitalism.

Shared future ? So you’ll have no problem with Orange marches and massive bonfires celebrating Britishness?

Who is this “we”?

04-06-2018 11:41pm

timthumbni wrote: »

I will be going nowhere chum. Do you find it embarrassing that the republic had to borrow billions of the uk to keep your lights on a few years back too..? Or is that different??

Why? Don't the laws of migration for economic reasons not apply to unionists then?

Peregrinus · 05-06-2018 5:28am

timthumbni wrote: »

I will be going nowhere chum. Do you find it embarrassing that the republic had to borrow billions of the uk to keep your lights on a few years back too..? Or is that different??

Well, it is different. The Republic's debt, at 106% of GDP, is high, but it's not an order of magnitude higher than the UK's debt, at 84% of GDP. And it's fundamentally different from the fiscal transfers to NI; the Republic's debt bears interest, and can be and is being repaid, whereas NI gets transfers of amounts on which it could not possibly pay interest, and which it never intends to repay and which, if they were treated as debt, would certainly vastly exceed 106% of NI's GDP. To be blunt, NI is in a condition of financial and economic dependence that has no parallel in the Republic's situation.

Which is fine, since (a few loopers aside) NI has no prentensions to independence or financial autonomy. But for someone in NI to sneer at the Republics financial situation does require a striking lack of self-awareness.

cournioni · 05-06-2018 5:43am

As someone that has lived along the border for most of my years, I couldn’t give a damn about what they think over on that other island. What matters is that WE get the best possible outcome for ourselves.

They clearly don’t give a damn about us and it showed in their vote two years ago.

somefeen · 05-06-2018 6:22am

seachto7 wrote: »

Shared future ? So you’ll have no problem with Orange marches and massive bonfires celebrating Britishness?

Who is this “we”?

Sure why not. Let them celebrate their minority ethnicity. It'll be like reverse St.Patrick's day.

Wanderer78 · 05-06-2018 6:44am

somefeen wrote:

Sure why not. Let them celebrate their minority ethnicity. It'll be like reverse St.Patrick's day.

'reverse paddies day', where there's little or no alcohol drank, and people are respectful to one another, particularly in the evening and nighttime in our town centres?

somefeen · 05-06-2018 6:50am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

'reverse paddies day', where there's little or no alcohol drank, and people are respectful to one another, particularly in the evening and nighttime in our town centres?

Jesus when you put it like that it sounds like **** craic altogether.

NO TO IRISH UNITY!!

Peregrinus · 05-06-2018 6:53am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

'reverse paddies day', where there's little or no alcohol drank, and people are respectful to one another, particularly in the evening and nighttime in our town centres?

Here speaks one, I think, who has never been in Northern Ireland on the Twelfth!

Zubeneschamali · 05-06-2018 6:59am

somefeen wrote: »

It'll be like reverse St.Patrick's day.

Sell giant spinning orange bowler hats, comedy sashes, union jacks in green white and orange or Rainbow Pride colours, orange beer - really leprechaun the sh*t out of it. We'll have a parade in O'Connell St. of all the oompa-loompas who are so Orange you can see them from the space station.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 05-06-2018 4:40pm

LincolnsBeard wrote: »

Ireland is a cuck nation afraid to run its own affairs.

I don't wish to sound rude, but you massively overestimate your importance in affairs such as these.

Yes, it's hard to describe just how insignificant we are in the Euro machine.

Now that we've lost the only crowd who share any sort of customs, culture, history with us I deeply fear for the future.

We're going to get rolled on. First up is Corporation Tax.

Capt'n Midnight · 05-06-2018 6:40pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Now that we've lost the only crowd who share any sort of customs, culture, history with us I deeply fear for the future.

Our national language is Irish and EU documents have to be translated into it.

So when the UK leaves, English will remain an EU language thanks to .... Malta :pac:

bobbysands81 · 05-06-2018 9:12pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Yes, it's hard to describe just how insignificant we are in the Euro machine.

Now that we've lost the only crowd who share any sort of customs, culture, history with us I deeply fear for the future.

We're going to get rolled on. First up is Corporation Tax.

The UK acts out of self interest, not in a way chummy to its neighbour. Work off the premise that every action is a selfish action. Ireland acts solely in her own interests, every other country does the same. That two interests might dovetail in some way is either down to chance or a tit-for-tat barter.

The UK couldn’t give a flying fcuk about us yet we yearn to be loved by them.

We are the battered and abused wife always looking to give the abusing husband one more chance, maybe he’s changed, maybe he won’t abuse me again, he really does love me, doesn’t he?

bobbysands81 · 05-06-2018 9:17pm

seachto7 wrote: »

Shared future ? So you’ll have no problem with Orange marches and massive bonfires celebrating Britishness?

Who is this “we”?

Any right minded person would agree that sectarianism should have no part in any shared future.

Taytoland · 05-06-2018 9:22pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

seachto7 wrote: »

Shared future ? So you’ll have no problem with Orange marches and massive bonfires celebrating Britishness?

Who is this “we”?

Any right minded person would agree that sectarianism should have no part in any shared future.

I love the 12th July though with friends and family celebrating James taking a hiding by William in the field of battle.

Berserker · 05-06-2018 9:31pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Yes, it's hard to describe just how insignificant we are in the Euro machine.

Now that we've lost the only crowd who share any sort of customs, culture, history with us I deeply fear for the future.

We're going to get rolled on. First up is Corporation Tax.

A very good post. Irish people don't seem to understand the dangers that Brexit brings to the RoI. Much like you, I have a feeling that the EU is going to look the "integrate" the RoI into Europe more once Brexit becomes a reality. I'll be pleasantly shocked if the issue of taxation isn't brought to the table very quickly. The reaction from people here is going to be very interesting.

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The UK acts out of self interest, not in a way chummy to its neighbour. The UK couldn’t give a flying fcuk about us yet we yearn to be loved by them.

I take issue with that. We've taken in countless Irish people over the years when times were bad here. We could have easily told you to get stuffed. We were one of the first countries to offer you help during the last recession. Both countries benefit greatly from the strong bonds, cultural and economic, that exists between the two countries. I think/hope that the common travel area and the positive sentiment that exists between the countries remains after Brexit.

JohnKyle39 · 05-06-2018 9:39pm

No. Give them 800 years and force them speak Irish and abandon Protestantism. Any objections will be met with a bullet to the head.

bobbysands81 · 06-06-2018 12:29am

Berserker wrote: »

A very good post. Irish people don't seem to understand the dangers that Brexit brings to the RoI. Much like you, I have a feeling that the EU is going to look the "integrate" the RoI into Europe more once Brexit becomes a reality. I'll be pleasantly shocked if the issue of taxation isn't brought to the table very quickly. The reaction from people here is going to be very interesting.

I take issue with that. We've taken in countless Irish people over the years when times were bad here. We could have easily told you to get stuffed. We were one of the first countries to offer you help during the last recession. Both countries benefit greatly from the strong bonds, cultural and economic, that exists between the two countries. I think/hope that the common travel area and the positive sentiment that exists between the countries remains after Brexit.

Take issue all you like. The UK has a responsibility for her citizens, not Irish citizens and vice versa.

Cheap Labour is a wonderful thing. Irish people have not historically been welcomed by the British. At the moment we’re lucky because we’re the right (white) kind of foreigner and your ire is pointed at the Muslims at the moment.

Both countries do benefit from our ties, which is exactly my point... and long may those bonds continue but on a more equal footing.

The CTA is going nowhere.

lawred2 · 06-06-2018 9:22am

Berserker wrote: »

I take issue with that. We've taken in countless Irish people over the years when times were bad here. We could have easily told you to get stuffed. We were one of the first countries to offer you help during the last recession. Both countries benefit greatly from the strong bonds, cultural and economic, that exists between the two countries. I think/hope that the common travel area and the positive sentiment that exists between the countries remains after Brexit.

You mean people have emigrated for work?

They weren't refugees - they were economic migrants. Less of the mother England pulling people in to her caring bosom nonsense. The UK needed a plentiful supply of cheap labour and paddy sufficed. But the welcome for Irish migrants will not have been anywhere near as universal in the UK as you might like to think.

Telling Irish migrants to 'get stuffed' as you put it would have required tearing up the CTA which has allowed for freedom of movement for nearly 100 years between the two nations.

Peregrinus · 06-06-2018 9:30am

Berserker wrote: »

A very good post. Irish people don't seem to understand the dangers that Brexit brings to the RoI. Much like you, I have a feeling that the EU is going to look the "integrate" the RoI into Europe more once Brexit becomes a reality. I'll be pleasantly shocked if the issue of taxation isn't brought to the table very quickly. The reaction from people here is going to be very interesting.

I have to say, if your notion of "the dangers that Brexit brings to the RoI" causes you to think first of all of increased pressure for tax harmonisation, it's not Irish people who don't seem to understand the dangers; it's you. This is a danger but, frankly, it comes fairly far down the list. Much bigger and more certain dangers start with (a) a hard border in Ireland, (b) disruption to, and limitations of, Ireland/UK trade, and (c) depressed economic conditions in the UK resulting from a Brexit-linked economic contraction having knock-on effects in Ireland.

I note your hope that "the positive sentiment that exists between the countries remains after Brexit" and I share it. But it has to be said that the biggest danger to that is Brexit itself. We are quite seriously pissed off about it.

Steve F · 06-06-2018 9:38am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

A British friend of mine told me today he felt Ireland was bullying the UK (I know!)over Brexit.

We can only do it with the help of our gallant allies of course now the UK is leaving and they despise them.

I do feel we may regret it down the road and that the Irish are somewhat awestruck with the sudden power they seem to have over the old foe, the tables turned etc.

It's a mirage - they'll fight on the beaches etc.

But aside from self interest maybe we should be supporting them? Sometimes I feel we are more British than Finchley.

They are our friends.

This had me PMSL. Are you being serious with that remark?

06-06-2018 9:46am

Steve F wrote: »

This had me PMSL. Are you being serious with that remark?

It's pretty hilarious really. We have the same power as other countries, we just have a much stronger interest. Our government seem to have their heads screwed on so far and I'm sure will be ready for any "pressure" the EU may end up putting on us should they do an about-face towards the end.

Kermit.de.frog · 09-06-2018 4:21pm

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fogarty/shelagh-fogartys-interview-with-senior-brexiteer/

Dear god. Ireland were neutral in WW2 and are one of the nations we rescued/defeated so fcuk em says Brexiteer MP.

fly_agaric · 09-06-2018 4:38pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Our government seem to have their heads screwed on so far and I'm sure will be ready for any "pressure" the EU may end up putting on us should they do an about-face towards the end.

There's one thing that worries me about their approach. IMO they seem to think that doing planning for what NI border would look like after a "hard" brexit is somehow letting the British off the hook, or enabling the loony hard Brexit types in the UK or something. It is a bit pollyannaish - if Leo says "there will be no hard border" enough times it will make it so!

We don't know what is going to happen, our control over it, even with the backup of the EU is not as much as we might like (the outcome will mainly depend on British domestic politics). Planning for the worst (while hoping for the best) is just prudence & better than being caught with your pants down.

swampgas · 09-06-2018 4:51pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fogarty/shelagh-fogartys-interview-with-senior-brexiteer/

Dear god. Ireland were neutral in WW2 and are one of the nations we rescued/defeated so fcuk em says Brexiteer MP.

I've heard a lot of that sort of emotion from Brexiteers - they really can't handle the UK being just another largish country in the EU. They want to treated as the top dog, and expect to be allowed throw their weight around. They simply refuse to see that they don't really have that much weight anymore, especially when going toe to toe with the combined power of the EU-27.

I'm reminded of Leona Helmsley. Following international rules is only for little countries.

lawred2 · 09-06-2018 5:49pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fogarty/shelagh-fogartys-interview-with-senior-brexiteer/

Dear god. Ireland were neutral in WW2 and are one of the nations we rescued/defeated so fcuk em says Brexiteer MP.

Similar rhetoric from Boris recently where he told a room that the Irish border is small and inconsequential and nobody 'uses it'. For the UK to have to deal with the problem is only folly.

These lads exist in an alternate universe

dd972 · 09-06-2018 5:54pm

lawred2 wrote: »

Similar rhetoric from Boris recently where he told a room that the Irish border is small and inconsequential and nobody 'uses it'. For the UK to have to deal with the problem is only folly.

These lads exist in an alternate universe

Most of them really do, it's part of the mindset over there, whether you're an Etonian or Harrow public school boy or a Shameless-esque chav, they believe that England/the U.K is 'where it's at' and other countries are 'lesser' entities, aside from their masters across the pond.

An Claidheamh · 09-06-2018 5:56pm

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Yes, it's hard to describe just how insignificant we are in the Euro machine.

Now that we've lost the only crowd who share any sort of customs, culture, history with us I deeply fear for the future.

We're going to get rolled on. First up is Corporation Tax.

The British with their history of sectarianism, monarchy, empire, violence and the yobs who actually started Brexit for their own selfish reasons..... pretending we're their "friends".

Why do they insist upon being so pathetic?

It's like a child claiming they have ADD when really what they need is a good slap to set them straight.

We all know you're c@#ts, now the whole world does too.

Our "shared history" is like that between Poland and Germany, only Germany have some sense of shame, modernity and realism.

Nomis21 · 09-06-2018 5:56pm

The UK referendum was about leaving the EU not the customs union. It is May and the Brexiteers who want to leave the customs union. The issue of the Irish border could be resolved by staying in the customs union which I believe is what the next UK elections will be about. However I also believe that the Labour party will not win it unless they ditch Corbyn who has Brexiteer sympathies.

An Claidheamh · 09-06-2018 5:59pm

Taytoland wrote: »

I love the 12th July though with friends and family celebrating James taking a hiding by William in the field of battle.

Yeah, I got the impression from your posts you that way inclined.

A real space cadet.

Capt'n Midnight · 09-06-2018 6:34pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/shelagh-fogarty/shelagh-fogartys-interview-with-senior-brexiteer/

Dear god. Ireland were neutral in WW2 and are one of the nations we rescued/defeated so fcuk em says Brexiteer MP.

wow

We were at war with the UK, 18 years before WWII which was irrelevant

It's been 73 years since WWII but somehow that's relevant.

We were neutral all right, for the overflights and the food exports and the munitions workers and letting allied pilots escape and providing the weather reports for D-Day.

Should we stop bullying the United Kingdom?

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