Vatican issues document rejecting idea that people can choose or change gender

klaaaz wrote: »

There is zero evidence that science is ideologically driven as you put it, thousands of them scientists have studied human biology and associated aspects.
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On this matter, I found this chap's musings to be interesting. The science of biology is at this time being completely ideologically corrupted. And people involved in the area are too afraid to speak out about it for fear of losing their jobs.

From 1.30 mins...



On the matter of the Church, I purposefully left it at aged 16 because I was disappointed in the overall hypocrisy and because it no longer fulfilled my metaphysical needs. Happily though I never have experienced the blinding rage many seem to have towards it, an unthinking anger which causes them to blame the church for everything from the pimple on their arse to global war. Nor have I ever been attracted by the demanding religion of militant atheism.

When I look around the world we live in now I see that many of the very best things and ideas that exist in it are here because of the civilising force of philosophical religion. The Church, as the most recent embodiment of that sphere of human endeavour, at least for the past 2000 years, has been an unmatched intellectual goad in our history. Its theologians and philosophers prompted the scientific revolution.
Many of those theologians and thinkers trace their intellectual antecedence to the great philosophies of the pagan period, Plato and before, and onwards to the neo-Platonists, without whose ideas we would be significantly impoverished.
Those early European philosophers were in turn influenced from even further afield via hubs like Alexandria and so on, so that thought from places such as Asia co-mingled with emerging ideas in old Europe, and each fertilised the other. This is an enormous part of human evolution.

The impetus of human intellectual evolution has largely been based on non-material thought, metaphysics in essence, the desire to know the unknowable. One could say that from archaeological study we can understand that it has always been metaphysical yearning that has propelled humankind towards all its greatests achievements and evolution. Materialism is a reasonably modern yoke.

In Europe we are surrounded by, immersed in, the physical and intellectual evidence that it was the Church's aspiration towards metaphysical understanding, and the influence of such on the minds of the people, that has given us the great works of art, music, literature, philosophy, architecture which dominate and have shaped for the better our inner and outer landscapes.

This is why I find knee jerk reactions that start with ''The church...blah blah'' to be very immature.


On this passing matter, the Pope, who seems like a very nice chap, from what little I know of him, is simply stating the truth. No biggie.

Sonics2k wrote: »

At this point this thread is about the victim complex of those who simply can't accept the trans people are very real.

You don't have to accept everything they say, but you can't refute their existence and presence as living, human beings.

Trans people are real, living human beings. Hundred percent. There are some fab trans people whose stories I have listened to on youtube or read about, very endearing people.
Trans activists who deny the reality of biology and attempt to coercively impose their ideology and faulty science on society should be refuted. Hundred percent. The sterilisation and chemical or surgical inteference with minors should be refuted as an acceptable medical practice. Hundred percent.

Zorya wrote: »

The sterilisation and chemical or surgical inteference with minors should be refuted as an acceptable medical practice. Hundred percent.

I dont know enough about trans people,but dont really see the harm.in people identifying as what they want??(it affects noone only person doing it ffs)

....but the above has to stop

A minor.cant concent to sex,its lunacy to think they can consent to a sex change

^^^^ 8 years old. Dr. Johanna Olson Kennedy. Los Angeles. Full cross sex hormones. Government funded.

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Everything has changed.

We've progressed on from that constraint.

Gender, like age & race are just social constructs.
Literally just labels.
Means of putting people into little boxes.

Thankfully we've moved on & people are free to be whatever gender or skin colour or age they feel like they are that day.





That's just bigotry.
A child trapped in the wrong gender frankly needs this assistance more than anyone to help them cope better.

You'll be glad to know we are making progress there too.

In California people as young as 12 can now seek medical intervention to prevent puberty and hormone treatment to ready them for their transition to another gender or skin colour.

This is literally a life saver for many young people trapped in the wrong body.

Surely wanting to change your skin colour is an incredibly racist way of thinking.

Sarcasm or irony are hard acts these days. :pac: Things are so damn odd.

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

Everything has changed.

We've progressed on from that constraint.

Gender, like age & race are just social constructs.
Literally just labels.
Means of putting people into little boxes.

Thankfully we've moved on & people are free to be whatever gender or skin colour or age they feel like they are that day.

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By what "logic" do you think that biological anatomy is just a social construct?

A man has a biology that a woman doesn't have and visa versa.

A man isn't a man because he feels like a dragon and therefore is a dragon.
That's nothing but cloud cuckoo land.

_blaaz wrote: »

How has transgender sh1te become so mainstream the pope is commenting on it


Afaik its less than 1% of population it affects??

All politics aside, I have heard as close as 2%. I helped do some research for this topic while in college.

If you want to visualise that, that's about the same percentage of people who are redheads.