The Joe Rogan Experience Podcasts

12-05-2021 6:37pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Sure I am pal

:pac:

12-05-2021 6:40pm

glasso wrote: »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/03/joe-rogan-told-his-millions-listeners-not-take-his-anti-vaccine-advice-seriously-is-it-too-late/

Would like to see the actual data. Plus it's a self-selecting dataset.

On the other stuff I find it interesting that on YouTube at least he seemed to get far higher ratings when he had the likes of Bernie on than anyone else. Funny that.

12-05-2021 6:41pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Would like to see the actual data. Plus it's a self-selecting dataset.

On the other stuff I find it interesting that on YouTube at least he seemed to get far higher ratings when he had the likes of Bernie on than anyone else. Funny that.

well that's not going to happen but you know that

it's hardly normal practice for articles to data dump their entire data collection on the thousands of surveys that newspapers conduct around the world every week.

MrStuffins · 12-05-2021 6:55pm

glasso wrote: »

well that's not going to happen but you know that

it's hardly normal practice for articles to data dump their entire data collection on the thousands of surveys that newspapers conduct around the world every week.

I'm not sure why you'd be surprised that the opinions of people are driven by the media you consume.

The only opinion you've put forward it from a third party piece of media.

I have a cousin like this. He supports Man United and every "opinion" he puts forward comes directly from someone else's mind. No original thoughts.

Nobody bothers to listen to him. Why would you when you could just go to the source? He essentially drop-ships his football opinions

He likes JRE though. Make of that what you will

12-05-2021 7:03pm

Linking matters of expertise in public health to supporting Man Utd

I've heard it all

If I hadn't the proof from actual collected data to back this up and refer to, I wouldn't be able to substantiate the argument

you'd undoubtedly be saying "you can't prove anything"

It's not a matter of "opinion" or "original thoughts" here, it's the output of data collected from at least 6 different survey time periods over 10 months

You do know the difference between data collected and analysed according to proper statistics methodology and some random thoughts?

I can see that it's very frustrating for you that this data exists.

Highly frustrating.

Time to move on I think.

MrStuffins · 12-05-2021 7:19pm

glasso wrote: »

you'd undoubtedly be saying "you can't prove anything"

Nope. I just want to see if you have any actual thoughts on this yourself apart from calling millions of people morons based on absolutely nothing other than numbers plucked from the air.

This is a discussion forum. Having an opinion is handy.

"What did you think of the football last night?"

- "The match report is on the Washington Post. It's free to read"

12-05-2021 7:24pm

glasso wrote: »

well that's not going to happen but you know that

it's hardly normal practice for articles to data dump their entire data collection on the thousands of surveys that newspapers conduct around the world every week.

The fact it's a one-line conclusion is what raises my hackles. Also it says the sampling is normalised on demographic data, it doesn't say the responses are compared in the sample with demographic data. Younger people are more likely to be skeptical of this particular vaccine, Rogan's audience also skews lower in age I would have thought.

12-05-2021 7:30pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Nope. I just want to see if you have any actual thoughts on this yourself apart from calling millions of people morons based on absolutely nothing other than numbers plucked from the air.

This is a discussion forum. Having an opinion is handy.

"What did you think of the football last night?"

- "The match report is on the Washington Post. It's free to read"

I've made my opinions clear on this subject ->

That Rogan does have an influence with his brain dump opinions on his audience and that he needs to careful / cognisant when he's addressing serious matters with same like public health.

This was the initial point of discussion / opinion with the other poster.

Look back at the post history.

Then I subsequently found an article relying on substantive data to back it up that you had difficulty in refuting.

My deepest apologies for using actual data to back up my points of argument.

Shameful stuff really!

You could head over to the soccer forum for some reasoned football discussion I imagine.

MrStuffins · 12-05-2021 7:37pm

glasso wrote: »

I've made my opinions clear on this subject ->

That Rogan does have an influence with his brain dump opinions on his audience and that he needs to careful / cognisant when he's addressing serious matters with same like public health.

This was the initial point of discussion / opinion with the other poster.

Look back at the post history.

Then I subsequently found an article relying on substantive data to back it up that you had difficulty in refuting.

My deepest apologies for using actual data to back up my points of argument.

Shameful stuff really!

You could head over to the soccer forum for some reasoned football discussion I imagine.

Still doesn't answer what I actually asked you for an opinion on though

And at this point I doubt I'm going to get any original thoughts from you. All good! You probably haven't read them yet

12-05-2021 8:27pm

glasso wrote: »

Nobody is excused for coming out with dumb sh1t that could have serious effects like spreading Covid in this case among the population.

More especially in his case where he has a platform with a lot of listeners.

Not an insignificant % of which are the "trusting" sort to take what they hear as gospel.

humberklog wrote: »

Such as the WHO back in March '' 20 saying there's no need to wear masks if you're not sick? Or throw in many examples like that (including our own Luke O'Neill) from experts in this field that was misguided.

Joe is a host of an entertainment show. Those who think he's more than that haven't been listening to the show and expect too much from a presenter that often says-don't listen to his advice.

glasso wrote: »

your first point is whataboutery

the second point about what he might say about his own views is not actually valid if what he says actually does have a negative effect regardless

as has been shown in this case from surveys

(just click browse now - free to read)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/05/03/joe-rogan-told-his-millions-listeners-not-take-his-anti-vaccine-advice-seriously-is-it-too-late/

So there I presented my opinion

The other posted retorted

I then backed up my opinion with an article and data that I happened to see after my initial opinion.

The other posted saw some sense at this point

You seem to be blindly sticking to "where's your opinion" rubbish because frankly you have no actual line of argument whatsoever that you can make

It started with my opinion

Jesus wept

It's not my fault that I was able to find something to back it up.

MrStuffins · 12-05-2021 8:32pm

glasso wrote: »

So there I presented my opinion.......

And your opinion was he was dumb because what he said would lead to spread of Covid.

Even though he said taking the vaccine to stop the spread "makes sense".

Are you against the individual's right to choose to be vaccinated or not?

12-05-2021 8:35pm

regular Rogan listeners — who made up 22 percent of our sample — were significantly less likely to intend to vaccinate than those who do not regularly listen.

However, we only found this pattern after the first round of federal government emergency-use approval for the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna vaccines in the study’s December and February waves. This coincides with when Rogan began to talk more — and skeptically — about the vaccines. For example, in January 2021, he said he may not receive a shot. That came after he moved from California to Texas to get “more freedom,” while disparaging people who wear masks. Shortly afterward, he posed maskless while meeting the Texas governor.

In short, Rogan repeatedly spread dubious coronavirus-related information. In December 2020, regular Rogan listeners’ intentions to vaccinate were 15 percentage points lower than those of non-listeners. By February 2021, they were 18 percentage points lower, both statistically significant effects.

So let's take a final look at the results that came out over 10 months of poll data over 6 polling samplings.

- By February 2021, Rogan podcast listeners were 18% stupider than non-listeners in the face of overwhelmingly evidence from already many millions of people vaccinated worldwide, in terms of vaccination intentions.

-This trend of higher stupidity had increased from 15% to 18% from December 2020 to February 2021 among Rogan listeners.

-So it's unknown how much stupider they were compared to non-listeners at the outset of polling, but there is a correlation between becoming more stupid and listening to Joe's unqualified opinions on the subject.

12-05-2021 8:36pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

And your opinion was he was dumb because what he said would lead to spread of Covid.

Even though he said taking the vaccine to stop the spread "makes sense".

Are you against the individual's right to choose to be vaccinated or not?

that was his backtrack opinion after he was called out on it by public health experts

Jesus wept X 2

MrStuffins · 12-05-2021 8:58pm

glasso wrote: »

that was his backtrack opinion after he was called out on it by public health experts

So when I asked originally what he said.....

MrStuffins wrote: »

What did he say exactly?

Form what I read he said that, if you're a young healthy person, you don't need to take it. But the idea that you should take it to stop the spread makes sense.

Is this correct? If so, I don't see too much wrong with it.

You could have just clarified this instead of dragging this on for ages. As the article you linked to doesn't contain anything about him saying it "makes sense".

Also, it's good that someone can walk back and clarify.

So, his stance is:

"if you're a young healthy person, you don't need to take it. But the idea that you should take it to stop the spread makes sense."

In your opinion, do you think this is an incorrect stance?

12-05-2021 9:14pm

jesus.

this has been gone through before

on Friday April 23 Rogan told listeners that he would not suggest the vaccine to a healthy 21-year-old.

"If you're a healthy person, and you're exercising all the time, and you're young, and you're eating well...like, I don't think you need to worry about this."

But the young (or anyone, not just the young) by not getting a vaccine can still spread Covid to others increasing the spread of Covid, increasing the likelihood of new variants developing, increasing the likelihood of lockdowns continuing, increasing the likelihood of people dying etc etc

So this is a stupid argument from Rogan

The following Thursday April 29, Rogan did a u-turn - accepting the argument that young people need the vaccine "for other people" made sense.

hence your famous "made sense" pillar argument :pac:

only as a backtrack, when he was outed extensively in the media and facing criticism for spreading dangerous misinformation, did he say this.

you mentioned freedom of choice about getting the Covid vaccine

people have freedom of choice about millions of things and are frequently stupid in their decisions

that doesn't make them any less stupid as a result of having this freedom and taking the stupid option :pac:

the only unknown here again is how much more stupid the average Rogan listener was about the vaccine issue compared to a non-listener at the outset but again, according to the poll data, they have been getting more stupid by continuing to listen to his opinions on the subject

MrStuffins · 12-05-2021 9:26pm

glasso wrote: »

jesus.

this has been gone through before

on Friday April 23 Rogan told listeners that he would not suggest the vaccine to a healthy 21-year-old.

But the young (or anyone, not just the young) by not getting a vaccine can still spread Covid to others increasing the spread of Covid, increasing the likelihood of new variants developing, increasing the likelihood of lockdowns continuing, increasing the likelihood of people dying etc etc

Which he addressed afterwards. In a reasonable way.

The following Thursday April 29, Rogan did a u-turn - accepting the argument that young people need the vaccine "for other people" made sense.

How can you say he only mentioned the "made sense" argument in his walk-back, but say is a u-turn of his original statement?

It's not. He said himself that it was a separate argument.

you mentioned freedom of choice about getting the Covid vaccine

people have freedom of choice about millions of things and are frequently stupid in their decisions

So you, as a non-stupid person, should be able to supersede the rights of the individual and make them do what you think is best for them?

Don't think much of yourself do you?

the only unknown here again is how much more stupid the average Rogan listener was about the vaccine issue compared to a non-listener at the outset but again, according to the poll data, they have been getting more stupid by continuing to listen to his opinions on the subject

Correlation does not imply causation. You'd think, being one of the 80% who you don't consider morons, you'd understand this.

12-05-2021 9:40pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's not. He said himself that it was a separate argument.

So you, as a non-stupid person, should be able to supersede the rights of the individual and make them do what you think is best for them?

Don't think much of yourself do you?

Correlation does not imply causation. You'd think, being one of the 80% who you don't consider morons, you'd understand this.

"separate argument" was a pathetic cop-out attempt to try to save face on his part. to try to protect his ego.

about correlation and causation - I fully agree - I'd already addressed that in the points below - even the WP drew that conclusion if you actually read the article - reading comprehension is an important skill in life.

Rogan listeners were already stupider compared to non-listeners to some degree already - this is clear from the data but unknown as to what quantum exactly

hobson's choice for you really!

you may have missed that point below -> :pac:

so let's take a final look at the results that came out over 10 months of poll data over 6 polling samplings.

- By February 2021, Rogan podcast listeners were 18% stupider than non-listeners in the face of overwhelmingly evidence from already many millions of people vaccinated worldwide, in terms of vaccination intentions.

-This trend of higher stupidity had increased from 15% to 18% from December 2020 to February 2021 among Rogan listeners.

-So it's unknown how much stupider they were compared to non-listeners at the outset of polling, but there is a correlation between becoming more stupid and listening to Joe's unqualified opinions on the subject.

as i said if you make a stupid decision and want to spread Covid more, make lockdowns go on and on for others you have that choice but it's hard to argue in the face of all the evidence that it's not the stupid choice

freedom of choice or not

Alf Veedersane · 12-05-2021 9:57pm

So........

...the Wonderboy episode is an enjoyable listen.

Gol-LY

MrStuffins · 12-05-2021 10:00pm

glasso wrote: »

"separate argument" was a pathetic cop-out attempt to try to save face on his part. to try to protect his ego.

Hyperbole

about correlation and causation - I fully agree

Great! See? It's ok to walk back now and again. Very good!

Rogan listeners were already stupider compared to non-listeners to some degree already - this is clear from the data but unknown as to what quantum exactly

Pure sh*te talk! Your superiority complex is blinding you here darling.

as i said if you make a stupid decision and want to spread Covid more, make lockdowns go on and on for others you have that choice but it's hard to argue in the face of all the evidence that it's not the stupid choice

freedom of choice or not

Again, your superiority complex is showing again.

How many times have you used the word "stupid" and how many times have you assumed people are morons, despite you yourself just borrowing the opinions of others and not being able to comprehend correlation/causation?

I get it. You reckon you're better than JRE listeners and you don't think they deserve to make their own decisions.

Your posts have shown you're nowhere near as smart as your condescension implies.

No point in replying to me at this point as I won't be reading it.

MrStuffins · 12-05-2021 10:05pm

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

So........

...the Wonderboy episode is an enjoyable listen.

Gol-LY

I haven't been listening a lot lately but the Francis Ngannou episode was great.

What a story!

12-05-2021 10:10pm

the data doesn't lie

a couple of strawmans concocted by you to clasp on to in vain moving on from your original "master argument" that I didn't have an opinion when I showed that the genesis of the discussion was exactly my opinion with another poster.

a sorry state of affairs.

so what if there has been a degree of winding up - you have been doing your best, but not really good enough.

the summary is and remains ->

Rogan was wrong, was called out on it and back-tracked because he was getting flack.

From poll data over 10 months, Rogan podcast listeners have a higher degree of stupidity in comparison to non-listeners on the subject of accepting a vaccine.

and yes, for the good of others, as Rogan himself has said (eventually) "makes sense" that people should get the vaccine!

13-05-2021 1:26am

Hearing noise that the US is going to really struggle to get to herd immunity if ever get there. I wonder why.

Arghus · 13-05-2021 2:14am

It might be time to agree to disagree guys...

hots · 13-05-2021 10:15am

Deleted User wrote: »

Hearing noise that the US is going to really struggle to get to herd immunity if ever get there. I wonder why.

I watch a decent amount of the american sports channels, the amount of ads they're running at the moment trying to pursuade people to get the vaccination is wild, and they are very obviously targeted too at the demographics with low uptake. They have the opposite probelm to us, loads of supply and no one to take them.

Alf Veedersane · 13-05-2021 11:30am

hots wrote: »

I watch a decent amount of the american sports channels, the amount of ads they're running at the moment trying to pursuade people to get the vaccination is wild, and they are very obviously targeted too at the demographics with low uptake. They have the opposite probelm to us, loads of supply and no one to take them.

There was a poll in March where 41% of Republicans said they wouldn't get vaccinated and 47% of Trump supporters said they wouldn't.
That's borne out, to some degree, in some counties that voted strongly for Trump

MrStuffins · 13-05-2021 11:39am

hots wrote: »

I watch a decent amount of the american sports channels, the amount of ads they're running at the moment trying to pursuade people to get the vaccination is wild, and they are very obviously targeted too at the demographics with low uptake. They have the opposite probelm to us, loads of supply and no one to take them.

I also read that Ohio are organising a lottery whereby those who get vaccinated are entered for a chance to win $1m.

There will be five winners, each winning $1m.

Mic 1972 · 13-05-2021 12:38pm

People who are not at risk of bad symptoms aren't' going to bother . Honestly I cant blame them

MrStuffins · 13-05-2021 12:49pm

Mic 1972 wrote: »

People who are not at risk of bad symptoms aren't' going to bother . Honestly I cant blame them

This is the thing.

If someone has a reason for not wanting to take it, it's completely reasonable for them to put their immediate health concerns ahead of the concerns of the fact that the person could potentially continue to spread Covid.

As I said, I am a young and relatively healthy man. I have no reason to take the vaccine other than the very slight chance I might get extreme symptoms and the fact that I will help stop the spread of the virus by taking it.

I will take it for the latter reason as I have no doubt that the science is sound and the vaccine is safe.

However, it's not my place to tell someone else who doesn't want to take it due to their own concerns that they should.

What Joe Rogan said was reasonable in my opinion, even if I don't agree with him.

hots · 13-05-2021 1:54pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

What Joe Rogan said was reasonable in my opinion, even if I don't agree with him.

What he said originally or his revised statement?

13-05-2021 1:58pm

I don't think it's reasonable. One of the main purposes of a vaccine is to stop the spread and protect everyone. Every able bodied person has a civic duty to take the vaccine.

iffandonlyif · 13-05-2021 2:03pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

If someone has a reason for not wanting to take it, it's completely reasonable for them to put their immediate health concerns ahead of the concerns of the fact that the person could potentially continue to spread Covid.

It’s understandable, but it’s wrongheaded, because the risks from coronavirus (even to younger people) are far greater than from the vaccines. But the main point is about herd immunity. It’s not ‘completely reasonable’ in a time of crisis to be entirely self-regarding.

13-05-2021 2:20pm

And honestly in terms of public health, if people don't get vaccinated I think it's incredibly reasonable that countries block tourists who aren't vaccinated. In general, I wouldn't rule out certain settings not allowing unvaccinated people. You can apply a "me first" mentality but if we fail to achieve herd immunity and that makes it easier for an even more dangerous variant to prosper, then those applying that mentality have likely endangered plenty of people they care about.

So yep, Rogan really is a mix of terribly uninformed and just all round irresponsible. Has been the case for years though.

MrStuffins · 13-05-2021 2:48pm

iffandonlyif wrote: »

It’s understandable.....

Exactly.

As I said before, I disagree with him and i'll be getting vaccinated as part of my civic duty.

But it's an understandable and reasonable stance.

MrStuffins · 13-05-2021 2:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

One of the main purposes of a vaccine is to stop the spread and protect everyone. Every able bodied person has a civic duty to take the vaccine.

Rogan agrees with you here. He says taking the vaccine to stop the spread "makes sense".

Mic 1972 · 13-05-2021 3:01pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

This is the thing.

If someone has a reason for not wanting to take it, it's completely reasonable for them to put their immediate health concerns ahead of the concerns of the fact that the person could potentially continue to spread Covid.

As I said, I am a young and relatively healthy man. I have no reason to take the vaccine other than the very slight chance I might get extreme symptoms and the fact that I will help stop the spread of the virus by taking it.

I will take it for the latter reason as I have no doubt that the science is sound and the vaccine is safe.

However, it's not my place to tell someone else who doesn't want to take it due to their own concerns that they should.

What Joe Rogan said was reasonable in my opinion, even if I don't agree with him.

Agreed.
At the end of the day, if the vaccines are effective, once the at-risk people have been vaccinated, the spread of Covid shouldn't be a concern

hots · 13-05-2021 3:05pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

Rogan agrees with you here. He says taking the vaccine to stop the spread "makes sense".

Now he does... after the backlash that made him say something different right?

13-05-2021 3:09pm

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Agreed.
At the end of the day, if the vaccines are effective, once the at-risk people have been vaccinated, the spread of Covid shouldn't be a concern

If only at risk people were vaccinated that leaves it wide open for mutations that end up making it more deadly... So no, the spread of covid would remain a serious concern. Vaccines are only as effective as their uptake.

MrStuffins · 13-05-2021 3:12pm

hots wrote: »

Now he does... after the backlash that made him say something different right?

There's nothing to indicate he didn't think it made sense before.

As he said, the "stopping the spread" issue is a "different argument".

He said a young healthy individual does not need the vaccine. This is true. Society needs him to take the vaccine, but individually that person does not need it.

Taking it to stop the spread makes sense.

As I said, I don't need to take the vaccine personally, as an individual. Society will benefit from me taking it, and I will, but as an individual I don't need it.

hots · 13-05-2021 3:19pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

There's nothing to indicate he didn't think it made sense before.

Other than him not saying it obviously... "If you’re like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I’ll go no" it's pretty clear what he meant.

Mic 1972 · 13-05-2021 3:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If only at risk people were vaccinated that leaves it wide open for mutations that end up making it more deadly... So no, the spread of covid would remain a serious concern. Vaccines are only add effective as their uptake.

There are plenty of mutations out there by now, they don't seem to be any more deadly than a year ago.

Same goes for flue. There is always a chance for another Spanish flue mutation to appear but we are not forcing the flue jab on everyone to prevent that

Bellbottoms · 13-05-2021 3:28pm

humberklog wrote: »

I don't agree and think that's nonsense.

It's a very different world in Podcasts and I think it benefits from the freedom and independence it gives its presenters and I don't think there's an elevation to responsibility because of the size of listeners. People listen to a show because it is the way it is.

Sorry, I just cannot get over what a ridiculous argument this is. If we were to make things a little simpler. Suppose I am on the JRE and I mention Boards.ie, and Joe says "Hey, have you ever seen the posts by humberklog. I hate that guy. I wish someone would punch him in the face and burn down your his house" Then proceeds to read out your address.

Now lets suppose one of Joe Rogans 11 million fans decides to call out to your house, punch you in the face and burn down your house.

Would you still think that what Rogan holds no responsibility for what you being attacked and your house being burnt down?

hots · 13-05-2021 3:31pm

Bellbottoms wrote: »

Sorry, I just cannot get over what a ridiculous argument this is. If we were to make things a little simpler. Suppose I am on the JRE and I mention Boards.ie, and Joe says "Hey, have you ever seen the posts by humberklog. I hate that guy. I wish someone would punch him in the face and burn down your his house" Then proceeds to read out your address.

Now lets suppose one of Joe Rogans 11 million fans decides to call out to your house, punch you in the face and burn down your house.

Would you still think that what Rogan holds no responsibility for what you being attacked and your house being burnt down?

using examples to illustrate your point isn't liked apparently "WHATABOUTTERY?!?! :mad: "

MrStuffins · 13-05-2021 3:32pm

hots wrote: »

Other than him not saying it obviously... "If you’re like 21 years old, and you say to me, should I get vaccinated? I’ll go no" it's pretty clear what he meant.

What you've quoted above does not indicate that he does not think it makes sense to get vaccinated for the sake of society.

We'll just have to disagree here i'm afraid.

MrStuffins · 13-05-2021 3:36pm

Bellbottoms wrote: »

Sorry, I just cannot get over what a ridiculous argument this is. If we were to make things a little simpler. Suppose I am on the JRE and I mention Boards.ie, and Joe says "Hey, have you ever seen the posts by humberklog. I hate that guy. I wish someone would punch him in the face and burn down your his house" Then proceeds to read out your address.

Now lets suppose one of Joe Rogans 11 million fans decides to call out to your house, punch you in the face and burn down your house.

Would you still think that what Rogan holds no responsibility for what you being attacked and your house being burnt down?

hots wrote: »

WHATABOUTTERY?!?!

What hots said.

You can try to draw a line between Joe saying a young healthy individual doesn't need the vaccine (which is true from an individual standpoint) and him hypothetically telling someone to burn someone's house down............ but they are not comparable at all.

Whataboutery gets us nowhere!

Bellbottoms · 13-05-2021 3:46pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

What hots said.

You can try to draw a line between Joe saying a young healthy individual doesn't need the vaccine (which is true from an individual standpoint) and him hypothetically telling someone to burn someone's house down............ but they are not comparable at all.

Whataboutery gets us nowhere!

No its not whataboutery, and if that is what you thinks hots is saying. Then you have very poor reading comprehension skills.

I am not interested in Rogans stance on who should get vaccinated. But I am interested in what people think his responsibility as a broadcaster is.

Hurberklog dosent think that Rogan or anyone else has any responsibility of duty of care for anything he says. You yourself said "He has a responsibility to nobody."

So I am just following that line to one possible conclusion. And using a very simplistic and clear cut example.

Do you think if Rogan said someone should burn down Hurberklog or MrStuffins house, and one of Rogans fans went and did it. Do you still think Rogan would have no responsibility for what happened?

MrStuffins · 13-05-2021 3:51pm

Bellbottoms wrote: »

So I am just following that line to one possible conclusion. And using a very simplistic and clear cut example.

It's a ridiculous example with absolutely no similarity to the real scenario.

Bellbottoms · 13-05-2021 3:57pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's a ridiculous example with absolutely no similarity to the real scenario.

No, it is not. You either think he has no responsibility for what he says or he doesn't. I am just expanding what you are saying by using a very simplistic but extreme example.

Does he have no responsibility in which case, it is not his fault your house was burnt down.

Or, he does have some responsibility for what he says.

Which is it?

hots · 13-05-2021 4:13pm

MrStuffins wrote: »

What you've quoted above does not indicate that he does not think it makes sense to get vaccinated for the sake of society.

We'll just have to disagree here i'm afraid.

for all your elegent mental gymnastics your reading comprehension is lacking.

Should I get vaccinated? No. It's pretty black and white, I'm not sure why you're keen to defend it, he wasn't.

13-05-2021 4:14pm

Seems like some people don't actually know what it means

whataboutery

nounBRITISH
the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue.

MrStuffins · 13-05-2021 4:15pm

Bellbottoms wrote: »

No, it is not. You either think he has no responsibility for what he says or he doesn't.

I didn't say he wasn't responsible for what he says. I said he is not an elected official or a member of public office. He has no responsibility to you, I or the man on the moon.

He's a podcast host.

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