Wrestling Podcasts

Monokne · 08-03-2019 8:28pm

Yeah that's what I mean.

If you're someone like Paige or Becky who is emotionally available and wants to get into her story, this makes for gripping listening.

If it's AJ Styles, someone who seems fairly guarded & private, it's uncomfortable listening. It's like she's directing the conversation one way and the other party is pushing it the opposite direction. The whole thing feels redundant and awkward.

gerrybbadd · 11-03-2019 3:56pm

Is 83 weeks any good?

Jericho's podcast seems to have improved the last few months, fewer ads.

Also - anyone listening to Cornette's podcast?

sky88 · 11-03-2019 4:51pm

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Is 83 weeks any good?

Jericho's podcast seems to have improved the last few months, fewer ads.

Also - anyone listening to Cornette's podcast?

never got into 83 weeks myself i find myself listening to the start of a lot of them and never going back. dont think eric is as good a storyteller that bruce is and at least when bruce is lying he makes it entertaining.

havent listened to jericho in ages i just couldnt deal with him mentioning him and shawns feud in 08 any longer but do want to get back into as i always found he was a great interviewer when he resists relating everything to himself.

Monokne · 12-03-2019 1:23am

83 Weeks is good if you are interested in the minutae of business and Eric Bischoff's thought process in running WCW. He rambles & gets deep in the weeds. He is the classic exampe of someone where you ask him the time and he tells you how to build the watch.

I find the business stuff very interesting, so I enjoy it.

Monokne · 12-03-2019 1:24am

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Is 83 weeks any good?

Jericho's podcast seems to have improved the last few months, fewer ads.

Also - anyone listening to Cornette's podcast?

Jericho's show has lost something now he doesn't have WWE guys on, for me. I am not interested in his pop culture shows.

Monokne · 09-04-2019 10:42pm

Conrad starts a new show next week, "Grilling Jim Ross" with JR. Jim was on the inner circle of a number of promotions for 2 decades plus and unlike Bruce, has been less defensive about some of the bigger errors companies have made while he was there, so I hold out hope for this. Ross on his own has not been good, I really think he needed a co-host to get the best of him.

sky88 · 09-04-2019 10:44pm

Monokne wrote: »

Conrad starts a new show next week, "Grilling Jim Ross" with JR. Jim was on the inner circle of a number of promotions for 2 decades plus and unlike Bruce, has been less defensive about some of the bigger errors companies have made while he was there, so I hold out hope for this. Ross on his own has not been good, I really think he needed a co-host to get the best of him.

Been finding him hard to listen to but love Conrad hosting so I’ll give it an episode or 2

Itssoeasy · 13-04-2019 1:09pm

Conrad is great because he does research and fills in the limitations whether deliberate or not of the three guys he works with already. Pritchard, bischoff, and Tony have terrible memories it seems.

Monokne · 13-04-2019 5:54pm

Prichard has a great memory.

When you are 55, it's not that easy to recall individual specifics on random incidents in granular detail from 20 & 30 years ago. Prichard does a really good job with that. Much more so than the others.

cena · 14-04-2019 6:42pm

Any sign of Austin's podcasts coming back

Monokne · 14-04-2019 8:48pm

cena wrote: »

Any sign of Austin's podcasts coming back

He was replying to people on twitter saying it was returning soon, but that was mid February.

If it does, he has to go weekly. Two shows a week is killer. So much filler.

sirmanga · 14-04-2019 9:33pm

Anyone else listen to Cornette's newest show, his review of Mania 35?
Nothing to do with Mania, but there's a section where Cornette is talking about how he'll be doing commentary for an upcoming NWA show and he says he's not looking forward to the Rock n Roll Express vs The Briscoes match because he thinks the Rock n Roll are a bit too old. Fair enough.
But then it got weird when Cornette says he knows the Briscoes will do anything to win and that they won't be taking it easy on the Rock n Roll. Therefore it's the only match he's not looking forward to because it could get ugly.
What? His entire podcast is a "shoot" yet he weirdly went all quasi kayfabe about this Rock n Roll/Briscoes match, just to sell it to people. What's funny is he is no doubt looking forward to calling that match the most.

That says to me that you can't believe anything else he says on the podcast, be it his hatred of Joey Ryan, Trump, Russo etc. It's all just a big work to keep himself over with the smarks.

jaykhunter · 14-04-2019 10:16pm

sirmanga wrote: »

you can't believe anything else he says on the podcast, be it his hatred of Joey Ryan, Trump, Russo etc. It's all just a big work to keep himself over with the smarks.

Yeppers, best to take podcasts in general as entertainment rather than shoot, as everyone's always working. Whatever benefits them, or keeps them in the news.

leggo · 14-04-2019 10:32pm

sirmanga wrote: »

That says to me that you can't believe anything else he says on the podcast, be it his hatred of Joey Ryan, Trump, Russo etc. It's all just a big work to keep himself over with the smarks.

Cornette is delighted when wrestlers do whacky spots that he can get content out of. He's still doing the 1997 NWA gimmick. Wrestlers (who are intelligent in any way) are delighted when Cornette runs them down, the crazier the rant the better. Fans, whichever way they fall, are delighted when there's a new talking point to get hot about. It's all the content game and, yeah, I wouldn't take it to be representative of real life.

ricero · 16-05-2019 7:26am

JR and Conrads new podcast is up and running. Listened to the first podcast yesterday. I very much enjoyed it.

Agent Coulson · 25-05-2019 1:57pm

Mr Kayfabe himself Double A is the newest guy to the podcast world joining Conrad later in the year.

The new pod will be called "Arn".

He won't discuss leaving the WWE as he said he signed a nondisclosure.

TimesArrow · 27-05-2019 1:13am

The Roast of Bruce Pritchard was without doubt the most awful episode of STWW and one of the most unbearably unlistenable things i have heard in a long time. Ive grown tired of the format now and have no interest in conrads other stuff either

soiseztomabel · 27-05-2019 5:47pm

TimesArrow wrote: »

The Roast of Bruce Pritchard was without doubt the most awful episode of STWW and one of the most unbearably unlistenable things i have heard in a long time. Ive grown tired of the format now and have no interest in conrads other stuff either

Biggest sh_tshow ever, there was maybe one guy on it I found moderately funny. I powered through on my fourth attempt, I feel robbed

sky88 · 27-05-2019 7:22pm

Watched till x pac got up and just couldn’t subject myself anymore to it horrendous stuff

soiseztomabel · 27-05-2019 9:19pm

I don’t think brother Bruti understood the concept of the roast

briany · 28-05-2019 6:24pm

sirmanga wrote: »

That says to me that you can't believe anything else he says on the podcast, be it his hatred of Joey Ryan, Trump, Russo etc. It's all just a big work to keep himself over with the smarks.

I'm sure Cornette does know his fans like when he rants about Russo, which is handy for him as the hatred certainly seems real enough. Before we say it's all a work, consider the Cornette once tried to run Terry Landell over with a car, and had a confrontation with Santino Marella last year at some wrestling convention. Not to mention that Russo has taken out at least one restraining order against Cornette. Also, he once pulled a gun on Brock Lesnar.

Maybe his slipping into kayfabe regarding the Rock n Roll is because they're from the old NWA days when people still thought it was at least semi-legitimate, so he went into that mindset for a moment.

ricero · 29-05-2019 8:50am

Ambrose on talk is jericho is a good listen. Really shows the **** show that is the scripted promo in wwe and the creative process.

Monokne · 29-05-2019 10:12am

The Moxley interview on TIJ perfectly encompasses the problems in WWE:

He openly asks why WWE doesn't just hire actors. Why hire wrestlers if they're not going to be allowed any creative freedom?

Best line:
"6 years of going into this old mans office, arguing with this old man to explain why wearing a surgical mask is a stupid idea, why carrying a little red wagon to the ring is a stupid idea, why maiming a mannequin in the ring is a stupid idea".

Vince is a great businessman, but he is remarkably out of touch with his remaining audience, as well as the millions who stopped watching, and WWE will continue to produce mostly dreadful TV until he's gone.

He also mentions how outraged he was at having to use Roman's cancer as an angle. Vince insisted.

Clegg · 29-05-2019 12:48pm

Vince is an awful person. He used Eddie Guerrero's death as an angle in the Orton/Mysterio feud years ago too. He'll exploit anything if it think it'll make him money.

What I took from the entire Ambrose situation is that WWE and Vince are terrible at managing the talent they have at their disposal. Ambrose/Moxley was one of their biggest stars for the last 5 years. The fans loved him whether he was face or heel. He was the most popular member of the Shield yet in comparison with his stable mates he was given the least shine. Then when he finally got himself mega over on Smackdown they took the title off him and moved him back to Raw where he was stuck in the midcard. He was right to leave, and if rumours are to be believed HHH is right to be pissed off over what's happening on the main roster.

Loughc · 29-05-2019 12:59pm

Clegg wrote: »

He was right to leave, and if rumours are to be believed HHH is right to be pissed off over what's happening on the main roster.

It must be frustrating for Trips spending ages building up lads on NXT only for Vince to bury them upon calling them up to the Main Roster.

sky88 · 29-05-2019 1:51pm

Moxley also doesn't sound bitter eithir like a lot o these interviews to be like

Monokne · 29-05-2019 5:16pm

I've given up watching Raw & Smackdown for the past month. I am sure I will go back but I just found it such a waste of my time. I can't watch Baron Corbin. I just can't do it. And Reigns & Elias being on SD killed that show for me. It's just not the wrestling I want to spend my time watching.

ericzeking · 29-05-2019 10:51pm

Did anyone else think, the stuff he was asked to do and complaining as being stupid is exactly the type of stuff Y2J would get over AF....in his last WWE run he got a list and a pen over FFS.

One of his catchphrases is just to call people 'stupid idiots' ie not a whole lot dissimilar to calling them smelly.

Kind of ironic who he did the big shoot interview with....granted the AEW connection.

SureYWouldntYa · 29-05-2019 11:16pm

Moxley really does bury Vince in the podcast, I'm 50 odds mins in and himself and Jericho really agree on how draining it is to have to deal with Vince and the way things are run in WWE

If things are done properly in AEW and they do less of the Cody throwing hammers at chairs, then they really have a chance of being at the very least bigger than TNA ever were

TheQuietBeatle · 29-05-2019 11:21pm

ericzeking wrote: »

Did anyone else think, the stuff he was asked to do and complaining as being stupid is exactly the type of stuff Y2J would get over AF....in his last WWE run he got a list and a pen over FFS.

One of his catchphrases is just to call people 'stupid idiots' ie not a whole lot dissimilar to calling them smelly.

Kind of ironic who he did the big shoot interview with....granted the AEW connection.

Spot on. Bruce Pritchard has noted several guys who never put their heart into things, it never works unless invested.

To be honest I think he should be more grateful also, he shat on the company that made him a star in the interview and burned all bridges.

He's not a good wrestler and his promos have always been overrated.

I'm sure most of you will disagree but hes one person I'm not looking forward to watching in AEW.

On a side note, yes WWE creative clearly needs sorting. Create the general storyline and let the wrestler cut the promo.

SureYWouldntYa · 29-05-2019 11:38pm

TheQuietBeatle wrote: »

To be honest I think he should be more grateful also, he shat on the company that made him a star in the interview and burned all bridges.

In fairness he said several times that he was grateful to WWE, turned him into a man, set him up for life, allowed him to meet his wife

If everything he said is true, then he can shat away, with how quiet he's been in giving outside interviews while in WWE he has a bit of credibility when it comes to crapping on things

lawlolawl · 29-05-2019 11:45pm

TheQuietBeatle wrote: »

Spot on. Bruce Pritchard has noted several guys who never put their heart into things, it never works unless invested.

To be honest I think he should be more grateful also, he shat on the company that made him a star in the interview and burned all bridges.

He's not a good wrestler and his promos have always been overrated.

I'm sure most of you will disagree but hes one person I'm not looking forward to watching in AEW.

On a side note, yes WWE creative clearly needs sorting. Create the general storyline and let the wrestler cut the promo.

They wanted him to mock his friends cancer diagnosis so badly that the company would have lost sponsors.

J. Marston · 30-05-2019 12:25am

The rumour about him and Brock not getting on seems to be true judging by the "That's why Vince pays him all that money to come in and ruin his company" comment.

lawlolawl · 30-05-2019 12:44am

J. Marston wrote: »

The rumour about him and Brock not getting on seems to be true judging by the "That's why Vince pays him all that money to come in and ruin his company" comment.

Dean was heavily critical of their WM32 match because he wanted a whole worked out, back and forth thing but Brock basically said "i'm going to win anyway, so i'm just going to beat the **** out of you for the entire match" and Vince agreed with him.

He put a bunch of effort into planning out the match and was "met with laziness" when he pitched it.

ERG89 · 30-05-2019 2:23am

lawlolawl wrote: »

He put a bunch of effort into planning out the match and was "met with laziness" when he pitched it.

Lesnar had the Hunt fight lined up & did as little as humanly possible for the match, not like he's even hard working 90% of the time anyway.

It was a good interview. Seemed to really stress how he wanted WWE to change their creative process as I'm sure most of his former co-workers would agree with.
Was right to choose to do it with Jericho as Chris seemed to be close as most to getting along with Vince. Austin when he interviewed him was still in the 1998 mentality of WWE where on screen talent seemingly had more but not entire freedom to tweak their output. Jericho who was around WWE at the time still knows how to work around Vince to get what you want. The EC3 thing was sad & I imagine it explains why Vince made EC3 look like an idiot since then.

What Dean did with the video he recorded with a friend was similar to what Mustafa Ali did with his street based promos & those are about 1,000 times better than anything WWE ever did with him. Looking at the "Times Up" teaser its similar to what WWE used to do back in the early 2000's to build up a new character. Even someone like Nathan Jones or Mordecai were made look interesting. Except the MOX reveal video was somewhat modern; most of what WWE do is clearly out of touch. Now they have Aleister Black talking nonsense months after he has already debuted :rolleyes:

TimesArrow · 30-05-2019 5:45am

ERG89 wrote: »

Lesnar had the Hunt fight lined up & did as little as humanly possible for the match, not like he's even hard working 90% of the time anyway.

It was a good interview. Seemed to really stress how he wanted WWE to change their creative process as I'm sure most of his former co-workers would agree with.
Was right to choose to do it with Jericho as Chris seemed to be close as most to getting along with Vince. Austin when he interviewed him was still in the 1998 mentality of WWE where on screen talent seemingly had more but not entire freedom to tweak their output. Jericho who was around WWE at the time still knows how to work around Vince to get what you want. The EC3 thing was sad & I imagine it explains why Vince made EC3 look like an idiot since then.

What Dean did with the video he recorded with a friend was similar to what Mustafa Ali did with his street based promos & those are about 1,000 times better than anything WWE ever did with him. Looking at the "Times Up" teaser its similar to what WWE used to do back in the early 2000's to build up a new character. Even someone like Nathan Jones or Mordecai were made look interesting. Except the MOX reveal video was somewhat modern; most of what WWE do is clearly out of touch. Now they have Aleister Black talking nonsense months after he has already debuted :rolleyes:

the Black promos are absolute gibberish. listened to the Moxley interview earlier. fascinating stuff.

Agent Coulson · 30-05-2019 7:18am

The Moxley interview was top draw he came off really well.

leggo · 30-05-2019 10:09am

I believed Moxley was being genuine rather than bitter, I felt for him and his frustration on a human level. Whether it's valid or not is another story, that was an excellent point about how Jericho could make the dumb stuff into the best stuff on the show.

I mean, when I think of Moxley if I'm being honest, I think of a guy who was given a clear as day shot on the SCSA podcast to show some fire and **** the bed. That kinda sums him up to me. He seems more concerned about seeming cool and being aloof than actually doing anything good himself (even the movie he shot was a perfect example: it's cool and all but what was the point of it beyond "Look how cool I am?"), the interview was more filled with him listing off examples of ideas WWE gave him that were bad than ideas he gave them that were good and shot down. When I've seen that in people before it's a defence mechanism brought on by fear of failure: it's a bit of a martyr complex where they'd almost rather be seen as a misunderstood genius than try anything and be seen as bad. I also think of chances he did get that he didn't blow people away with: he got 30-minutes against Seth Rollins on PPV a few months ago. Regardless of if you're out on the company or not, there's an open goal to show the world how great you are, take it. He didn't, it was an awful match. I can't think of many classic singles matches I've seen him in.

He seems like a decent, genuine guy, don't get me wrong, and he has potential so I hope he does fulfil that in a creative environment that suits him better and proves me wrong. I'm just cynical when it comes to lads blaming their boss for everything in life not going their way, whether it's in wrestling or not.

And, to me, Jericho came across terribly here. He talks out of both sides of his mouth. If he needs it to fit the story, Vince McMahon is a genius who's responsible for everything good in wrestling. If he has a lad on who's going the other way, Vince McMahon is scum who won't let talent work and he jumps all over their stories trying to relate. Pick a line and go with it.

I also had to laugh at the moment where, after they'd spent an hour bitching about how bad WWE was, they said "I hope AEW makes Vince think about doing things better". Then, realising what they were saying, doubled back and were like "...but that's not what AEW is about! We're not trying to compete, just be an alternative!" It's like when someone gets caught just bitching about how they're so over their ex when the point of the story is supposed to be how awesome their new partner is. That kinda sums up the AEW experience for me so far, for as good as a lot of what they're doing is.

Really interesting interview though! The wrestler interviews wrestler format hasn't had something like that in a while, so was refreshing to hear.

J. Marston · 30-05-2019 11:27am

I noticed that too about him not mentioning all those supposed great ideas he had but maybe he is keeping them under wraps to use in AEW now.

Anyone think he has burned bridges by exposing Vince and the WWE's creative process like that?

ERG89 · 30-05-2019 11:45am

J. Marston wrote:

Anyone think he has burned bridges by exposing Vince and the WWE's creative process like that?

No, Vince knows there is money in a shield reunion down the road & they'll likely still be trying to get Roman cheered in 2023.
He didn't really expose anything the public didn't already know, Vince is head of creative & of any output that WWE does.
Unless your a complete moron you know that the creative process has gotten worse as the years pass.
The draft didn't work, giving the fans what they wanted in terms of winners at mania didn't work, the wildcard stuff makes no sense, returning talent from injury didn't change a thing about the quality of the shows & bringing back the McMahon's hasn't really worked as it's not 1999.
They basically admitted it publically last year around the time Corbin was replaced as GM that they need to "listen to fans" but I think most internally are frustrated with Vince but nobody can make him change his mind or convince him to step back from his duties a bit.
A nearly 74 year old man doesn't know what's popular now, no sh!t.

TheQuietBeatle · 30-05-2019 6:35pm

Vince is achieving what he set out to do, the show is aimed at a younger market and all in all they have been doing extremely well financially over last 5 years or so.

The creative is aimed at the market they're chasing. For anyone over the age of 16 it's not aimed at you. That's why it has pooper scooper references in scripts.

ERG89 · 30-05-2019 7:17pm

TheQuietBeatle wrote:

For anyone over the age of 16 it's not aimed at you. That's why it has pooper scooper references in scripts.

Yeah the kids these days are all about pooper scoopers. Good thing Vince is in charge now, he knows the market for those 60 years younger than him. :pac:

Monokne · 30-05-2019 9:59pm

TheQuietBeatle wrote: »

Vince is achieving what he set out to do, the show is aimed at a younger market and all in all they have been doing extremely well financially over last 5 years or so.

The creative is aimed at the market they're chasing. For anyone over the age of 16 it's not aimed at you. That's why it has pooper scooper references in scripts.

The audience they have retained most of is 50+, the audience they have lost most of is under 18.

So if what Vince is setting out to achieve is drive off younger viewers while presenting a product that is targeted at them, then yes, he is achieving what he set out to do.

TheQuietBeatle · 30-05-2019 10:01pm

They're making more money now than the attitude era even with inflation taken into account (Q1 being the exception).

AEW will tailor to the adult market, everybody wins.

Monokne · 30-05-2019 10:02pm

J. Marston wrote: »

Anyone think he has burned bridges by exposing Vince and the WWE's creative process like that?

Vince wants the guys who bury him back worse than he wants the guys who are nice about him back.

Monokne · 30-05-2019 10:04pm

TheQuietBeatle wrote: »

They're making more money now than the attitude era even with inflation taken into account (Q1 being the exception).

AEW will tailor to the adult market, everybody wins.

This.

Vince can afford to set fire to half a billion dollars (the XFL) and still be obscenely rich because of how the TV market is.

If AEW were to be competitive in terms of ratings (which I can't see happening), that might spur Vince to change the creative process. But as long as he is the unquestioned number 1 in wrestling and making money hand over fist, why bother? He probably feels he's earned the right to present his dreadful product by making himself so filthy rich and untouchable.

leggo · 31-05-2019 2:58am

Monokne wrote: »

The audience they have retained most of is 50+, the audience they have lost most of is under 18.

So if what Vince is setting out to achieve is drive off younger viewers while presenting a product that is targeted at them, then yes, he is achieving what he set out to do.

Ah dude, you need to get away from this lazy, tunnel-visioned analysis that doesn't take into account the full picture. This has been explained to you before and you need to accept it as fact.

Audiences across all sports, and all of TELEVISION, are trending along the exact same demos. Reason-being: young people sit down and watch less and less TV (in the traditional sense) across the board. Incidentally, WWE are also one of the strongest entities of their kind going when it comes to engaging fans in areas that they are paying attention to, e.g. social media, on-demand viewing, YouTube etc. They put the likes of the NFL, Premier League and UFC to shame in many of these aspects. I say that as an unbiased consumer of all of the above. The only big league product I follow that I can say beats WWE in this regard is the NBA.

Which is what the answer is to the obvious question, "Wait so if everything everyone is saying is true and WWE is dying...why are they worth more than they ever have been before?!"

But nobody wants to ask that question, even when it's sitting right there (it's literally getting danced around in this very discussion), because it doesn't fit the narrative people want to believe. The narrative that's mainly peddled by Dave Meltzer. The same Dave Meltzer who is good friends with the guys who run WWE's competitors, it's no secret, and has helped them publicly in building their promotion. So if your answer to this is "But Dave said...", well then I'm sorry, but he's let you down with his reporting here because it doesn't actually paint the full picture.

I don't even have a dog in this fight. I enjoyed Double Or Nothing and, if AEW do well, happy days! But this kind of stuff is total waffle.

Sirsok · 31-05-2019 8:46am

Hey Manchester United are still profitable, and doesn't mean they are not stuck in a rut.

leggo · 31-05-2019 1:24pm

But that's not the conversation we're having. The point Monokne is making is, "WWE are failing as a family product because young people are switching off." But actually, that's just the case around the board with television in general and they're far ahead of a lot of the pack in serving areas that young people do follow. It's like saying Facebook are failing because young people don't use the parent site, forgetting that they also own Instagram and WhatsApp, both of which are thriving. Or Disney are failing because we haven't had a good Mickey Mouse movie in years, while ignoring the MCU and Star Wars.

It's finding facts to suit the argument people want to make rather than looking at the facts in full and assessing the situation for what it is.

lawlolawl · 31-05-2019 2:05pm

leggo wrote: »

But that's not the conversation we're having. The point Monokne is making is, "WWE are failing as a family product because young people are switching off." But actually, that's just the case around the board with television in general and they're far ahead of a lot of the pack in serving areas that young people do follow. It's like saying Facebook are failing because young people don't use the parent site, forgetting that they also own Instagram and WhatsApp, both of which are thriving. Or Disney are failing because we haven't had a good Mickey Mouse movie in years, while ignoring the MCU and Star Wars.

It's finding facts to suit the argument people want to make rather than looking at the facts in full and assessing the situation for what it is.

Yeah, but what is the alternative venture that WWE is offering that is doing well?

The XFL?

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