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Incident at Roscommon hotel (asylum seekers)

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    #902
    rgossip30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    I typed in the links that prove my point.
    https://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/about. See the The Atlantic Philanthropists. https://www.atlanticphilanthropies.org/grants?q=&date-range-start=1982&date-range-end=2019&amount-start=0&amount-end=1000000000&regions%5B%5D=68&qtyresults=50&sort=grant_year_awarded%7CDESC. The funding is there for the Irish Refugee Council and The Immigrant Council of Ireland. I


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    #903
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,103 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    malinheader wrote: »
    Why is there a death of towns.

    One-off housing.

    Kivaro wrote: »
    They post from early morning to late at night espousing the benefits of economic migration from non-EU countries

    If you're looking in my direction, I think we should have a points-based immigration system similar to Australia, if you're non-EU and have skills which are in demand then grand. Apart from that we should only let in our fair share of genuine refugees, not the 95+% of chancers we have coming in now.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #904
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,652 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    One-off housing.
    If you're looking in my direction, I think we should have a points-based immigration system similar to Australia, if you're non-EU and have skills which are in demand then grand. Apart from that we should only let in our fair share of genuine refugees, not the 95+% of chancers we have coming in now.

    Don't be misguided by the rhetoric.

    Ireland has fairly robust migration laws with the vast majority of asylum applications been rejected. The process was drawn out and flawed and will probably need a tribunal to sort out some day, but we had a veto of how many refugees we had to take and at that we still have only taken half of them.

    The Big Tech companies have to spend quite a lot of money to get fast tracked visas for skilled workers from outside the EU, but like Australia if you have a skill that is required chances are you will be allowed in to work.


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    #905
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,339 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Boggles wrote: »
    Don't be misguided by the rhetoric.

    Ireland has fairly robust migration laws with the vast majority of asylum applications been rejected. The process was drawn out and flawed and will probably need a tribunal to sort out some day, but we had a veto of how many refugees we had to take and at that we still have only taken half of them.

    The Big Tech companies have to spend quite a lot of money to get fast tracked visas for skilled workers from outside the EU, but like Australia if you have a skill that is required chances are you will be allowed in to work.

    They are allowed to appeal decisions numerous times at taxpayers expense right up to the highest court in the land, until this is changed then the system is far from robust.

    Pamela Izevbekhai being just one example of someone playing the system and leaving a bill of a million quid behind her.


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    #906
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,103 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Boggles wrote: »
    Ireland has fairly robust migration laws with the vast majority of asylum applications been rejected.

    Yet only a fraction of those rejected get deported. They either play the system like a fiddle with groundless appeals for years on end at our expense, or "disappear", or have a kid and get the Journal to run some nice articles about how inhuman it would be to deport them.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #907
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,652 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    They are allowed to appeal decisions numerous times at taxpayers expense right up to the highest court in the land, until this is changed then the system is far from robust.

    Pamela Izevbekhai being just one example of someone playing the system and leaving a bill of a million quid behind her.

    Your own example got deported eventually. That's robust.

    I did mention the problems in the post you replied to if you want to read it again.
    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Yet only a fraction of those rejected get deported.


    What's the fraction?


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    #908
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Deported after leaving a bill of 1 million euros behind her. That was robust alright. Are you serious or just winding.


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    #909
    Boggles
    Registered Users Posts: 39,652 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    malinheader wrote: »
    Deported after leaving a bill of 1 million euros behind her.

    Like I said, flawed.
    malinheader wrote: »
    That was robust alright.

    She exhausted the system and was still booted, like I said robust.


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    #910
    jay0109
    Registered Users Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Boggles wrote: »
    Like I said, flawed.



    She exhausted the system and was still booted, like I said robust.

    You call that robust :D

    I would love to be the 2nd hand car salesman when you walk on to the forecourt!


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    #911
    rgossip30
    Registered Users Posts: 2,450 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Boggles wrote: »
    Like I said, flawed.



    She exhausted the system and was still booted, like I said robust.

    A ro bust system


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    #912
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    Wibbs wrote: »
    And that worked fantastically well with Ellie Kisyombe. Oh wait... no, it didn't. And she's not the only one. There have been a fair number of well publicised accounts of "asylum seekers" gaming the Irish system. Funny how the numbers of Nigerians for example dropped off after changes in the residency regs. The Celtic tiger dropping dead helped too.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ellie-kisyombe-to-run-in-elections-after-correcting-back-story-party-says-1.3881481?fbclid=IwAR1PInXeP8aWU-zBF6TtM3tgnhhsFqYP4m_x-iAtgMHk_tdke95z98uNhsQ

    She shouldn't be running. She's creating a terrible image for asylum seekers as liars (EDIT: since apparently she's the best representative that could be found) who aren't to be trusted and the Soc Dems look absolutely awful for sticking by her despite the fact they know she lied.

    If anti-migrant groups ever wanted a slam dunk talking point, Ellie and the Soc Dems have delivered it right to their door.


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    #913
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    She shouldn't be running. She's creating a terrible image for asylum seekers as liars
    They are all desperate to get a foothold in a Western country. To the point of seeking asylum in many countries and under many identities.
    DNA registering asylum seekers is an easy way to control this.


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    #914
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭malinheader


    No wonder they think our society is as soft as ****e.
    We must look a right joke to them.


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    #915
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/ellie-kisyombe-to-run-in-elections-after-correcting-back-story-party-says-1.3881481?fbclid=IwAR1PInXeP8aWU-zBF6TtM3tgnhhsFqYP4m_x-iAtgMHk_tdke95z98uNhsQ

    She shouldn't be running. She's creating a terrible image for asylum seekers as liars (EDIT: since apparently she's the best representative that could be found) who aren't to be trusted and the Soc Dems look absolutely awful for sticking by her despite the fact they know she lied.

    If anti-migrant groups ever wanted a slam dunk talking point, Ellie and the Soc Dems have delivered it right to their door.
    Mod: What has this got to do with Rooskey? Take the politics to Politics.


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    #916
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    malinheader wrote: »
    No wonder they think our society is as soft as ****e.
    We must look a right joke to them.




    Given the rejection rate, I doubt it.


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    #917
    Del.Monte
    Registered Users Posts: 12,363 ✭✭✭✭Del.Monte


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Given the rejection rate, I doubt it.

    Righty. :rolleyes:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-has-lowest-refusal-rate-of-asylum-applicants-920320.html

    ****



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    #918
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Del.Monte wrote: »
    Righty. :rolleyes:

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-has-lowest-refusal-rate-of-asylum-applicants-920320.html




    Bit of a change up then so
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-refuses-asylum-to-90pc-of-applicants-35229842.html


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    #919
    Dude89
    Registered Users Posts: 84 ✭✭Dude89


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Bit of a change up then so
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-refuses-asylum-to-90pc-of-applicants-35229842.html

    Rejected Asylum Seekers get Leave To Remain Visas after countless appeals because the government haven't the backbone to deport the chancers.


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    #920
    gw80
    Registered Users Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭gw80


    Dude89 wrote: »
    Rejected Asylum Seekers get Leave To Remain Visas after countless appeals because the government haven't the backbone to deport the chancers.

    Not that they haven't got the back bone, it's because they take there orders from Europe,
    They are not the Irish government, they are the Irish wing of the European government,


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    #921
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    Dude89 wrote: »
    Rejected Asylum Seekers get Leave To Remain Visas after countless appeals because the government haven't the backbone to deport the chancers.




    You can back that up with sourced numbers


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    #922
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Bit of a change up then so
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ireland-refuses-asylum-to-90pc-of-applicants-35229842.html

    How many are actually deported? Less than a fifth of deportation orders are actually carried out.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876?mode=amp


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    #923
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    DelaneyIn wrote: »
    How many are actually deported? Less than a fifth of deportation orders are actually carried out.


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/less-than-a-fifth-of-deportation-orders-carried-out-1.3680876?mode=amp
    ................

    Another 2,245 returned home voluntarily. So far this year, 174 people facing deportation have chosen to leave voluntarily.


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    #924
    zapitastas
    Closed Accounts Posts: 498 ✭✭zapitastas


    gw80 wrote: »
    Not that they haven't got the back bone, it's because they take there orders from Europe,
    They are not the Irish government, they are the Irish wing of the European government,

    Are irexit still running the campaign from London after they were rumbled? Slightly embarrassing mistake to make


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    #925
    jay0109
    Registered Users Posts: 2,670 ✭✭✭jay0109


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Given the rejection rate, I doubt it.

    Given the deportation rate, I don't doubt it


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    #926
    DelaneyIn
    Registered Users Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DelaneyIn


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/ireland-has-lowest-refusal-rate-of-asylum-applicants-920320.html

    According to this article in the Irish Examiner Ireland has the lowest rate of asylum applications in Europe, only 15% of applications are rejected in comparison with over 60% in other countries. In fact only Austria, Germany and Sweden have a higher record of asylum applications than Ireland and look at the state of those countries now. Austria won't accept any more, the Swedes are the rape capital of the world and Merkel has admitted that multiculturalism has been a failure and simply doesn't work.


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    #927
    gw80
    Registered Users Posts: 1,013 ✭✭✭gw80


    zapitastas wrote: »
    Are irexit still running the campaign from London after they were rumbled? Slightly embarrassing mistake to make

    Wouldn't have a clue, why do you think I'd know?


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    #928
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    gw80 wrote: »
    Wouldn't have a clue, why do you think I'd know?


    Comments like
    gw80 wrote:
    Not that they haven't got the back bone, it's because they take there orders from Europe,
    They are not the Irish government, they are the Irish wing of the European government,


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    #929
    malinheader
    Registered Users Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Comments like

    So Odhinn, you think the way Europe handled the large influx of migrants and asylum seekers was done well, and the likes of Sweden, Germany, Italy etc are better now than before.


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    #930
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,017 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    malinheader wrote: »
    So Odhinn, you think the way Europe handled the large influx of migrants and asylum seekers was done well, and the likes of Sweden, Germany, Italy etc are better now than before.


    I was explaining why somebody might think a certain poster would hold "'Irexit" views, so why are you trying to shoe horn your agenda driven posts into that?


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    #931
    Yamanoto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,489 ✭✭✭Yamanoto


    Brits out, everyone else in.

    That's Sinn Fein & their lackey's like Nodin in a nutshell.


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