Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 15-03-2019 3:25am #1

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/live-mass-shooting-christchurch-mosque-police-respond-active-shooter-situation

Rip to all involved.

Filmed himself doing it and videos are on the net/YouTube.

Mod Note:

Please do not propagate videos or links to manifestos in this thread. Given the seriousness and impact of this event, its just not appropriate right now.

Given this happened this morning, i dont want any victim blaming or conspiracy theories that have no direct basis or backing in fact..

mvl · 15-03-2019 3:38am

shocking, just saw this on my news feed.
- nine confirmed dead, as per https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/111313938/live-coverage-police-attending-evolving-situation-in-christchurch

poisonated · 15-03-2019 3:38am

R.I.P to all the victims

kneemos · 15-03-2019 3:53am

An extreme loony attack.

Snake Plisken · 15-03-2019 3:57am

Neo Nazi scumbag! Apparently the cops have shot him dead!
RIP to all the victims.

Manic Moran · 15-03-2019 4:10am

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Neo Nazi scumbag! Apparently the cops have shot him dead!

Can't say I blame them. Folks like Brevik who immediately demonstrate a willingness to surrender are a rarity.

However, usually such things turn out in the end to be self-inflicted gunshots, not police-fired ones.

Cookie_Monster · 15-03-2019 4:27am

At least one shooter confirmed to be an Aussie. 2 shooters confirmed, possibly more at another location

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213039

Sardonicat · 15-03-2019 4:29am

RIP to all the victims.

A foul act of complete cowardice to attack and murder people at prayer.

Cookie_Monster · 15-03-2019 4:42am

Live streamed on youtube by the shooter

Manic Moran · 15-03-2019 4:54am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

At least one shooter confirmed to be an Aussie. 2 shooters confirmed, possibly more at another location

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213039

That's an interesting twist, from that article.

Second shooting at mosque in Linwood

A second shooting happened at a mosque in the Linwood area of the city.

One Friday prayer goer returned fire with a rifle or shotgun.

Witnesses said they heard multiple gunshots around 1.45pm.

A well known Muslim local chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off.

He was heard telling police officers he was firing in "self defence".

Note, for the record, Kiwi firearms laws are quite different from much of the world. They work off "Track the man, not the weapon". If a person is good to go, they can own pretty much what's on the permit, which can, in theory, include full-on machineguns. Firearms are generally not registered, only owners. That said, I have no idea what their position is on Aussies with permits.

15-03-2019 5:04am

So it's looking likely that there were two shooters?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 15-03-2019 5:21am

Looks like he killed at least 30 on the Facebook Livestream.

It's really really bad.

AllForIt · 15-03-2019 5:49am

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

At least one shooter confirmed to be an Aussie. 2 shooters confirmed, possibly more at another location

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213039

That statement is going to be very very controversial.

Turtwig · 15-03-2019 5:52am

Pardon my ignorance, has there been any terrorist attacks in New Zealand by those who subscribe to a version of Islam? I ask because I can't recall any. How do you radicalise someone to the point of them murdering people of a different identity when that identity hasn't even committed any violence in the radicals' homeland? Extreme level of brainwashing.

In many ways I find this event more disturbing than other mass killings.

VeryTerry · 15-03-2019 5:56am

Turtwig wrote: »

Pardon my ignorance, has there been any terrorist attacks in New Zealand by those who subscribe to a version of Islam? I ask because I can't recall any. How do you radicalise someone to the point of them murdering people of a different identity when that identity hasn't even committed any violence in the radicals' homeland? Extreme level of brainwashing.

In many ways I find this event more disturbing than other mass killings.

The last with the manifesto is not even from New Zealand. He's one sick puppy. His Twitter was all dodgy memes and he was a regular on 8chan supposedly.

CBC News are reporting 4 have been arrested so far.

Dalomanakora · 15-03-2019 6:21am

27 confirmed dead according to the news. Jesus. There will be so many families missing their loved ones today.

Sick, twisted scumbag.

Zorya · 15-03-2019 6:56am

This is horrific.

Manic Moran · 15-03-2019 7:01am

Deleted User wrote: »

So it's looking likely that there were two shooters?

No, it seems to just be the one. Looks like he started with the Linwood mosque, then got driven off by return fire. He then stuck it out in the Christchurch mosque. The Chattanooga shooter had a similar course of events. Others have been arrested, but it's to be seen if they were correctly identified, or even just indirect aides.

He mentions both as targets in his manifesto, and says he acted alone.

Speaking of, his manifesto is far different than most. Usually they are long, barely coherent ramblings. This guy is short, to the point, and is very aware of what he's doing. He almost writes it as an AMA. A lot of it is very biting satire, with some interesting side-jabs, such as against Candace Owens

Example:
"Were/are you a fascist?
Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist.
I am sure the journalists will love that."

"Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a
policy maker and leader? Dear god no."

"Were you taught violence and extremism by video games, music, literature, cinema?
Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. Fortnite trained me
to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies."

And, of course, the whole "I was a Navy Seal, graduated at the top of my class" meme.

Though there are, obviously, the more sinister comments.

"Why did you carry out the attack?
To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands,
our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives,
they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our
people."

"Why New Zealand?"
"To show that no place is safe" (Ireland, take note)

"Why did you choose to use firearms?
"To create social discourse, extra media coverage, and to further encourage the American left to ban firearms. This will start a US Civil war" (Paraphrasing much longer paragraph)

At least there are few questions unanswered here, unlike the cases of many who are killed after committing a mass shooting. This is assuming that one of those arrested is not actually him. (It seems it is, though, and the manifesto indicates that he wasn't planning on dying)

Junkyard Tom · 15-03-2019 7:04am

The coward didn't have the balls to go to Syria to fight ISIS.

gmisk · 15-03-2019 7:05am

What a POS, horrendous incident.

Manic Moran · 15-03-2019 7:13am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The coward didn't have the balls to go to Syria to fight ISIS.

His position is that he has no problem with muslims in other countries, or what they do, as long as they do it in their own countries. Your statement may be true, but it also is not contrary to his stated position. Basically he's a white nationalist.

suicide_circus · 15-03-2019 7:18am

Manic Moran wrote: »

"Why did you carry out the attack?
To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands,
our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives,
they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our
people."

that argument might carry a little more weight were he not in a land where whites displaced a native population.

Junkyard Tom · 15-03-2019 7:19am

Manic Moran wrote: »

Your statement may be true, but it also is not contrary to his stated position. Basically he's a white nationalist.

I guess it's beyond the dope's intelligence that white people are relatively new to Australia and New Zealand.

15-03-2019 7:20am

Manic Moran wrote: »

No, it seems to just be the one. Looks like he started with the Linwood mosque, then got driven off by return fire. He then stuck it out in the Christchurch mosque. The Chattanooga shooter had a similar course of events. Others have been arrested, but it's to be seen if they were correctly identified, or even just indirect aides.

He mentions both as targets in his manifesto, and says he acted alone.

Speaking of, his manifesto is far different than most. Usually they are long, barely coherent ramblings. This guy is short, to the point, and is very aware of what he's doing. He almost writes it as an AMA. A lot of it is very biting satire, with some interesting side-jabs, such as against Candace Owens

Example:
"Were/are you a fascist?
Yes. For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist.
I am sure the journalists will love that."

"Were/are you a supporter of Donald Trump?
As a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose? Sure. As a
policy maker and leader? Dear god no."

"Were you taught violence and extremism by video games, music, literature, cinema?
Yes, Spyro the dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism. Fortnite trained me
to be a killer and to floss on the corpses of my enemies."

And, of course, the whole "I was a Navy Seal, graduated at the top of my class" meme.

Though there are, obviously, the more sinister comments.

"Why did you carry out the attack?
To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands,
our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives,
they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our
people."

"Why New Zealand?"
"To show that no place is safe" (Ireland, take note)

"Why did you choose to use firearms?
"To create social discourse, extra media coverage, and to further encourage the American left to ban firearms. This will start a US Civil war" (Paraphrasing much longer paragraph)

At least there are few questions unanswered here, unlike the cases of many who are killed after committing a mass shooting. This is assuming that one of those arrested is not actually him. (It seems it is, though, and the manifesto indicates that he wasn't planning on dying)

Think there had to be at least two shooters. They only happened five minutes apart.

Thrashssacre · 15-03-2019 7:25am

Bret Hart wrote: »

The whole 17 minutes of the incident is on bitchute.com

That’s some harrowing footage alright, guy barley seemed phased by it while driving away after casually speaking to the camera.

kneemos · 15-03-2019 7:29am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I guess it's beyond the dope's intelligence that white people are relatively new to Australia and New Zealand.

Not a big history buff obviously.

monreader · 15-03-2019 7:29am

Its crazy when this happens right on your doorstep. I live just 2 minutes away from the Linwood Mosque. You hear so much about mass shooting but it feels surreal when it happens so close.

suicide_circus · 15-03-2019 7:30am

Thrashssacre wrote: »

That’s some harrowing footage alright, guy barley seemed phased by it while driving away after casually speaking to the camera.

if nothing else it shows how utterly cowardly an act it is. Mowing down totally defenceless people.

monreader · 15-03-2019 7:31am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Think there had to be at least two shooters. They only happened five minutes apart.

Yes there were 2 active shooters. The mosques are about 20 minute drive between 1 and the attacks happened near simultaneously. 4 people have been arrested.

Manic Moran · 15-03-2019 7:32am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I guess it's beyond the dope's intelligence that white people are relatively new to Australia and New Zealand.

As I recall, he addresses this point in the manifesto as well. One may argue his conclusion, but he doesn't avoid the question.

Yes there were 2 active shooters.

Very well, I sit corrected.

Thrashssacre · 15-03-2019 7:33am

Also before anyone pulls the whole “I’m doing exactly what the killer wants by watching the video” the worldwide 24 hour news media will give him the attention he wants moreso then me or any individual watching the video ever could.

HalloweenJack · 15-03-2019 7:36am

Manic Moran wrote: »

"Why did you carry out the attack?
To most of all show the invaders that our lands will never be their lands,
our homelands are our own and that, as long as a white man still lives,
they will NEVER conquer our lands and they will never replace our
people."

Wonder what the Maoris will make of that statement.

Zorya · 15-03-2019 7:36am

The manifesto mentions Ebba Akerlund, a little girl killed in Stockholm attack. Her death was his turning point, he says. That day for some time a devastating picture of Ebba's body was circulating on social media. I saw it here, linked on a boards thread. It was extremely shocking. I almost went into shock. There is so much talk of censorship online etc but yet these images are freely circulating, just as the video of this will. This is deeply wrong, in my opinion. These things radicalise people who are unstable and sick and violent.

kneemos · 15-03-2019 7:41am

Thrashssacre wrote: »

Also before anyone pulls the whole “I’m doing exactly what the killer wants by watching the video” the worldwide 24 hour news media will give him the attention he wants moreso then me or any individual watching the video ever could.

If you get off on that shoite it's your problem.

gmisk · 15-03-2019 7:41am

The numbers are horrendous, new Zealand pm has confirmed 40 dead and 20 injured

Manic Moran · 15-03-2019 7:46am

kneemos wrote: »

If you get off on that shoite it's your problem.

His point isn't wrong, though.

One can't argue against Trump Jr's tweet.
"Don’t give the POS NZ shooter what he wants. Don’t speak his name don’t show the footage. Seems that most agree on that. The questions is can the media do what’s right and pass up the ratings they’ll get by doing the opposite? I fear we all know the answer unfortunately.. "

The only time I can recall that the media self-censored and refused to give the shooter publicity was when it was one of their own reporters was killed. We make mass shooters some of the most famous people in history.

Thrashssacre · 15-03-2019 7:48am

gmisk wrote: »

The numbers are horrendous, new Zealand pm has confirmed 40 dead and 20 injured

If there are definitely two active shooter in different locations I wouldn’t be suprised to see it even higher then that. The mosque the guy in the video entered wasn’t exactly quiet. And he made sure anyone in there was dead. He also shot some outside and other random people in their driveways as he escaped the scene.

gmisk · 15-03-2019 7:51am

Thrashssacre wrote: »

If there are definitely two active shooter in different locations I wouldn’t be suprised to see it even higher then that. The mosque the guy in the video entered wasn’t exactly quiet. And he made sure anyone in there was dead. He also shot some outside and other random people in their driveways as he escaped the scene.

It will likely be higher, bow reports of 48 people on top of that being treated for gunshot wounds....horrendous

15-03-2019 7:52am

absolutely disgusting

This kind of crap could easily trigger something prolonged and nasty were it to happen in the wrong part of Europe. We only have to look at the tit for tat crap that went on for decades in Northern Ireland

Thrashssacre · 15-03-2019 7:56am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

absolutely disgusting

This kind of crap could easily trigger something prolonged and nasty were it to happen in the wrong part of Europe. We only have to look at the tit for tat crap that went on for decades in Northern Ireland

With the new reports glorifying the last stronghold of isis collapsing, the discussion on whether to let people who were involved back into their former homes and now this I think we can assume that some kinda of retaliation from Islamic extreamists ia highly likely sometime soon.

kneemos · 15-03-2019 7:57am

Manic Moran wrote: »

His point isn't wrong, though.

One can't argue against Trump Jr's tweet.
"Don’t give the POS NZ shooter what he wants. Don’t speak his name don’t show the footage. Seems that most agree on that. The questions is can the media do what’s right and pass up the ratings they’ll get by doing the opposite? I fear we all know the answer unfortunately.. "

The only time I can recall that the media self-censored and refused to give the shooter publicity was when it was one of their own reporters was killed. We make mass shooters some of the most famous people in history.

Dunblane was censored.

Don't think they'll be showing the footage, reporting the events no doubt.
Though even these kind of events have become a one day headline.

super_furry · 15-03-2019 8:05am

Sadly is was always only a matter of time before another radicalised anti-islam terrorist attack.

Police need to attack this at the root and go after those radicalisbg them while making thousands off patreon and donations all the while.

malinheader · 15-03-2019 8:06am

Thrashssacre wrote: »

With the new reports glorifying the last stronghold of isis collapsing, the discussion on whether to let people who were involved back into their former homes and now this I think we can assume that some kinda of retaliation from Islamic extreamists ia highly likely sometime soon.

And the sad thing about retaliation is that its always innocent people who pay the price.just like these 40 innocent people in NZ killed by cowardly scum. This world is away mad.

Yurt2 · 15-03-2019 8:09am

A despicable act. RIP to all the innocents taken from their families and communities.

ebbsy · 15-03-2019 8:12am

If this happened in India or Africa etc nobody would give a ****e though.

Realtai · 15-03-2019 8:12am

A disgusting act. RIP to all of the victims

Will I Am Not · 15-03-2019 8:13am

Think I’ll pass on the videos, awful stuff

Fann Linn · 15-03-2019 8:15am

ebbsy wrote: »

If this happened in India or Africa etc nobody would give a ****e though.

Everything is relative I suppose. More familiar with Christchurch than Cairo or Calcutta.

Samuel Vimes · 15-03-2019 8:16am

Totally sickening stuff!
No right thinking person could fail to be horrified by this.

SoundsRight · 15-03-2019 8:17am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

absolutely disgusting

This kind of crap could easily trigger something prolonged and nasty were it to happen in the wrong part of Europe. We only have to look at the tit for tat crap that went on for decades in Northern Ireland

Like Muslim terrorists haven't already been killing people left, right and centre over the years?

15-03-2019 8:18am

SoundsRight wrote: »

Like Muslim terrorists haven't already been killing people left, right and centre over the years?

a two way tit for tat situation would be something new and different

Mass shooting New Zealand Mosque - MOD NOTE POST #1

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