General Chat 2020/21

Scorpion Sting · 28-10-2020 4:43pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Regarding Antonio - is he not injured - came off at weekend with something - hamstring maybe?

Yeah he is a doubt with a hamstring problem. He’s currently being assessed by the medical team.

Father Hernandez · 29-10-2020 11:08am

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12117396/frank-lampard-chelsea-manager-to-discuss-penalty-taker-options-after-jorginho-miss

Frank Lampard: Chelsea manager to discuss penalty-taker options after Jorginho miss

Something to ponder for Jorginho owners.

Morzadec · 29-10-2020 11:15am

Father Hernandez wrote: »

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12117396/frank-lampard-chelsea-manager-to-discuss-penalty-taker-options-after-jorginho-miss

Something to ponder for Jorginho owners.

Werner could be looking a lot more appealing

Irishphotodesk · 29-10-2020 11:30am

Father Hernandez wrote: »

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11668/12117396/frank-lampard-chelsea-manager-to-discuss-penalty-taker-options-after-jorginho-miss

Something to ponder for Jorginho owners.

Is it not a bit kneejerk to think he will be off penalties after hitting the post, it wasn't a bad penalty, he was just unlucky, and he was off the pitch when Werner took the next penalty.

It's possible that Werner may be 2nd in line... But there's no guarantee that jorginho will be a starter for the whole season

dr.kenneth noisewater · 29-10-2020 12:41pm

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

Is it not a bit kneejerk to think he will be off penalties after hitting the post, it wasn't a bad penalty, he was just unlucky, and he was off the pitch when Werner took the next penalty.

It's possible that Werner may be 2nd in line... But there's no guarantee that jorginho will be a starter for the whole season

Missed one against Liverpool as well.

yourdeadwright · 29-10-2020 1:44pm

Williams won't play against Westham I'm convinced of it ,

Pointless comparing the situation to Tuanzebe totally different moments in there careers
Even Tuanzebe might struggle in the position Williams is being asked to play , United played 3 CB and the wing back was AWB who's know for defending so Tuanzebe had plenty of quality around him ,

Williams will be right of 2 CB's and his right back Trent will be much further forward,

Liverpool will have to look to see who in there squad will cope best with strong counter attack runs in that channel and play whoever fits the bill , Could be Hendo or could even be Gini ,

Ace2007 · 29-10-2020 3:28pm

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Williams won't play against Westham I'm convinced of it ,

Pointless comparing the situation to Tuanzebe totally different moments in there careers
Even Tuanzebe might struggle in the position Williams is being asked to play , United played 3 CB and the wing back was AWB who's know for defending so Tuanzebe had plenty of quality around him ,

Williams will be right of 2 CB's and his right back Trent will be much further forward,

Liverpool will have to look to see who in there squad will cope best with strong counter attack runs in that channel and play whoever fits the bill , Could be Hendo or could even be Gini ,

Well the simple question is why don't Liverpool have a player at the same moment in their career as Tuanzebe, or an experienced centre back on the bench. It's not as if Klopp took over the squad this season and hasn't had time to get back up if he doesn't believe the youth are ready yet.

Dearg81 · 29-10-2020 4:02pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Well the simple question is why don't Liverpool have a player at the same moment in their career as Tuanzebe, or an experienced centre back on the bench. It's not as if Klopp took over the squad this season and hasn't had time to get back up if he doesn't believe the youth are ready yet.

He already addressed that issue in the media. He said he doesn't want 4 established centre backs as its a position in which he rarely rotates.

Fitz* · 29-10-2020 4:07pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Well the simple question is why don't Liverpool have a player at the same moment in their career as Tuanzebe, or an experienced centre back on the bench. It's not as if Klopp took over the squad this season and hasn't had time to get back up if he doesn't believe the youth are ready yet.

short answer:
Joe Gomez is only 6 months older than Tuanzebe.

long answer:

Some would argue that the first choice CB pairing for Liverpool is VVD-Matip with Gomez as 3rd choice. Pre-season, that's an brilliant set of CBs to have, primarily because of VVD and also his durability. He hadn't missed a league game in 3 seasons. If Matip is injured, then Gomez plays. Gomez-VVD is still a top class CB pairing. And then if both are injured, then Fabinho can fill in for the odd game. As it would take a real crisis for 2 CBs to be injured together but VVD is able to pick up the slack.

Clubs don't generally have more than one CB of that kind of age group (21-23) anyways as CBs don't generally be rotated every league games. 3 players into 2 positions usually. A senior CB and then one more, and then one in the 21-23 age group. Rarely clubs will rotate 4 CBs in a season. Each of the top 6 do have players in this age 21-23 group, but the experience of each of the players varies; Liverpool (Gomez 23), Man City (Dias 23), Spurs (Rodon 23), Chelsea (Tomori 22), Man Utd (Tuanzebe 22), Arsenal (Gabriel 22)

Liverpool already had VVD who plays every league game when fit. That leaves one CB slot available and between Gomez & Matip (previously Lovren & Klavan also) to battle it out between. Having another player of lesser experience but with some experience would be ideal but the new player would be 4th in line and chances of playing would be very low. That is why Fabinho was chosen to be 4th choice and to help squad harmony. Liverpool are not the type of club to just stock pile defenders like other clubs have done in the way of Rojo, Jones, Rudiger, Stones and not play them. One game every 5 months, unless there are injuries. It's not economical.

The main reason why this question is being asked is because of an unforeseen injury crisis. Nobody can predict that 3 central defence options will all be injured at the same time, especially given the fitness record of VVD.

yourdeadwright · 29-10-2020 4:10pm

Ace2007 wrote: »

Well the simple question is why don't Liverpool have a player at the same moment in their career as Tuanzebe, or an experienced centre back on the bench. It's not as if Klopp took over the squad this season and hasn't had time to get back up if he doesn't believe the youth are ready yet.

It's well documented Jurgen likes to work with a smaller squad Pep Lijnders has been vocal about this in the past, he likes to guys in the squad to know they are always only one game away from a start ( because of injury or suspension ) he believes it keeps them more together and means they can not get comfortable , He thinks it makes them more of a team, he did this at Dortmund to

So when they sold Lovren & Thaigo came in they decided Fabhino would be 4th choice CB ,because we had so many midfielders it meant if we lost a CB Fab could go in there and someone else would get a chance in midfield, Keeping players happy,

United have a bloated squad with players picking up wages who probably never play like Rojo , Romero and so on something Liverpool want to avoid,

Tunazebe is only 6 months younger than Joe Gomez, So Joe is our Axel ,

Lets not forget Tunazebe has only 10 prem games to his name , I'd say the closet to him in the Liverpool squad in terms of development is Nat Phillips

Pogue eile · 29-10-2020 5:26pm

Is this the Liverpool thread or Fantasy Football

NabyLadistheman · 29-10-2020 5:26pm

If I have 2 free transfers and don't use any will I still have 2 next week? Just burn the one transfer?

Shanotheslayer · 29-10-2020 5:27pm

NabyLadistheman wrote: »

If I have 2 free transfers and don't use any will I still have 2 next week? Just burn the one transfer?

Yes you will still have two transfers.

Shedite27 · 29-10-2020 7:15pm

4pm Friday deadline for GW8 (next week).

That will have a fair few casualties!

Benimar · 29-10-2020 7:18pm

Shedite27 wrote: »

4pm Friday deadline for GW8 (next week).

That will have a fair few casualties!

That will definitely catch a few!

Cartman78 · 29-10-2020 8:25pm

These four day gameweeks are great craic said no one ever

Dr. Bre · 29-10-2020 8:36pm

I miss the 3pm games

Shanotheslayer · 29-10-2020 11:17pm

Cartman78 wrote: »

These four day gameweeks are great craic said no one ever

Dr. Bre wrote: »

I miss the 3pm games

Tbh I like it. I get to watch more football and I get to see more players if they pass the eye test.

If anything it's easier(Assuming you get to see the games)

29-10-2020 11:22pm

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Tbh I like it. I get to watch more football and I get to see more players if they pass the eye test.

If anything it's easier(Assuming you get to see the games)

I do think it is a little easier right but deffo less fun. Like even without watching all. The games I pay attention to them singularly so it is making things clearer for me.

I always try to catch my attacking players. So if I can I will be trying for ones in more attacking teams if possible. So that'll be no woods or Wilsons for me this year hopefully

Chesty08 · 30-10-2020 12:39am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I do think it is a little easier right but deffo less fun. Like even without watching all. The games I pay attention to them singularly so it is making things clearer for me.

I always try to catch my attacking players. So if I can I will be trying for ones in more attacking teams if possible. So that'll be no woods or Wilsons for me this year hopefully

It’s gonna be very hard to see it going back to normal times.

To be honest the Saturday & Sunday night games are golden.

Ace2007 · 30-10-2020 1:10am

Chesty08 wrote: »

It’s gonna be very hard to see it going back to normal times.

To be honest the Saturday & Sunday night games are golden.

Not sure if it's set but for GW9 there are 6 games listed as Saturday 3pm kick off - no idea if that is subject to change?

Dearg81 · 30-10-2020 1:20am

Ace2007 wrote: »

Not sure if it's set but for GW9 there are 6 games listed as Saturday 3pm kick off - no idea if that is subject to change?

They're not set and it makes it really hard to play the sky game this season.

Shedite27 · 30-10-2020 10:04am

Ace2007 wrote: »

Not sure if it's set but for GW9 there are 6 games listed as Saturday 3pm kick off - no idea if that is subject to change?

All the 3pm games get rejigged 10 days out. They just moved GW8 games yesterday.

Bleating Lamb · 30-10-2020 6:23pm

Hopefully a few people don’t realise the deadline was this evening

Although the reality is most people will likely automatically have likes of Salah or Kane down as Captain anyway.

dsmythy · 30-10-2020 6:59pm

xG prevented is an attempt to judge goals conceded versus xG on target conceded.

xG on target tries to expand on the usual xG stat by including how well the shot was taken as opposed to just where it came from.

There are only 4 keepers in positive territory for this so far this season.

1.8 Martinez
0.8 Mendy
0.3 Darlow
0.3 Ederson

Martinez has played a big role in Villa's defence. Will he keep this up?

The worst 5 according to the stat.

-4.5 Ryan
-3.0 Adrian
-2.9 Pickford
-2.7 McCarthy
-2.6 Patricio

Adrian and Pickford speak for themselves.

Has Ryan been considered out of form? If so better performances might improve Brighton's defensive stats.

Also surprised to see McCarthy and Patricio there. Have their defenses been covering them up a bit?

Green&Red · 30-10-2020 7:37pm

dsmythy wrote: »

xG prevented is an attempt to judge goals conceded versus xG on target conceded.

xG on target tries to expand on the usual xG stat by including how well the shot was taken as opposed to just where it came from.

There are only 4 keepers in positive territory for this so far this season.

1.8 Martinez
0.8 Mendy
0.3 Darlow
0.3 Ederson

Martinez has played a big role in Villa's defence. Will he keep this up?

The worst 5 according to the stat.

-4.5 Ryan
-3.0 Adrian
-2.9 Pickford
-2.7 McCarthy
-2.6 Patricio

Adrian and Pickford speak for themselves.

Has Ryan been considered out of form? If so better performances might improve Brighton's defensive stats.

Also surprised to see McCarthy and Patricio there. Have their defenses been covering them up a bit?

Concede 12 of 18 shots I think

Porthallian · 31-10-2020 1:18pm

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Hopefully a few people don’t realise the deadline was this evening

Although the reality is most people will likely automatically have likes of Salah or Kane down as Captain anyway.

I knew the deadline but still missed it, more due to losing track of time carving pumpkins for Halloween with my nieces

Was grand that I had Son set as captain, but I had 2FTs so I've effectively lost one. And it would have been really handy as I've a few players I'd like to have got in. Oh well.

Big Borg · 31-10-2020 8:23pm

Does anyone know why Saiss (Wolves) didn't play yesterday?

dsmythy · 31-10-2020 8:37pm

Big Borg wrote: »

Does anyone know why Saiss (Wolves) didn't play yesterday?

Kilman preferred in defence. New guy took the wing back role.

bmorrissey · 02-11-2020 12:32pm

Anyone who had the Brighton goalkeeper coverage was somewhat screwed yesterday

Western Pomise · 05-11-2020 3:39pm

Have most of the big hitters......Salah,Grealish,Zaha,Son,Kane,DCL.

Am half thinking of going for Zaha (away to a leaky Leeds defence) or Son (Away to West Brom) as my Captain pick to try and get a differential boost.

Brian201888 · 05-11-2020 4:33pm

Don't think Son will be a differential, I'd assume he'll be the most captained this week

CSF · 05-11-2020 4:44pm

Brian201888 wrote: »

Don't think Son will be a differential, I'd assume he'll be the most captained this week

Think Kane might win that

nullObjects · 05-11-2020 5:55pm

Think you'd have to go Werner or someone on Chelsea if you wanted to get a differential cap this week

Rikand · 05-11-2020 7:02pm

Western Pomise wrote: »

Have most of the big hitters......Salah,Grealish,Zaha,Son,Kane,DCL.

Am half thinking of going for Zaha (away to a leaky Leeds defence) or Son (Away to West Brom) as my Captain pick to try and get a differential boost.

I hope you're in the last man standing

CSF · 05-11-2020 8:29pm

What do we reckon the over/under will be on how many ‘stop the count jokes’ will be made when someone is having a good week?

joeyboy11 · 06-11-2020 1:37am

The template midfield (that I have) seems to consist of Salah, son, hamez and Grealish/Zaha.

I want (And assume most will) Kdb or sterling in two gws for their excellent run of fixtures. For me Salah is untouchable so who do you upgrade to Kdb/sterling?

Son and keep Kane up top? Or downgrade Kane and upgrade hamez or grealish?

Chesty08 · 06-11-2020 1:54am

joeyboy11 wrote: »

The template midfield (that I have) seems to consist of Salah, son, hamez and Grealish/Zaha.

I want (And assume most will) Kdb or sterling in two gws for their excellent run of fixtures. For me Salah is untouchable so who do you upgrade to Kdb/sterling?

Son and keep Kane up top? Or downgrade Kane and upgrade hamez or grealish?

It would have to be Son. You’d have to think Kane will outscore Son over the course of the season so will naturally see more goals trending towards him soon

Darksoul · 06-11-2020 2:03am

joeyboy11 wrote: »

The template midfield (that I have) seems to consist of Salah, son, hamez and Grealish/Zaha.

I want (And assume most will) Kdb or sterling in two gws for their excellent run of fixtures. For me Salah is untouchable so who do you upgrade to Kdb/sterling?

Son and keep Kane up top? Or downgrade Kane and upgrade hamez or grealish?

Depends on your team forwards you have up front, do you have 2 premium strikers or 3 good strikers.

Me personally I would do a straight swap Son for KDB - that way you have 2 penalty takers for Spurs and City, providing you have money in the bank.

I think downgrading James Rodriguez might be a safe option to downgrade out of the midfield you have because I own him and it's frustrating enough not knowing if he will play or not and a bit glassy but he does return good points.

Let's see how he gets on if he plays Man utd first though,and don't forget international matches and possible covid cases etc...

joeyboy11 · 06-11-2020 4:05am

Darksoul wrote: »

Depends on your team forwards you have up front, do you have 2 premium strikers or 3 good strikers.

Me personally I would do a straight swap Son for KDB - that way you have 2 penalty takers for Spurs and City, providing you have money in the bank.

I think downgrading James Rodriguez might be a safe option to downgrade out of the midfield you have because I own him and it's frustrating enough not knowing if he will play or not and a bit glassy but he does return good points.

Let's see how he gets on if he plays Man utd first though,and don't forget international matches and possible covid cases etc...

Yea I think you’re right, my initial instinct was to upgrade son to Kdb and anything else is probably overthinking it.
I’m happy to hold Kane, dcl and Bamford up top for a while.

Good points re hamez. It will be very interesting to see if and how he plays against united this weekend.

Re the international break I’m banking this week so that I’ll have two free transfers after going into gw 9.

nullObjects · 06-11-2020 2:55pm

PSA: deadline at 4 today

Pogue eile · 06-11-2020 3:04pm

nullObjects wrote: »

PSA: deadline at 4 today

ssshhhh :mad:

dsmythy · 06-11-2020 3:38pm

Just thought I'd throw up the top 10 uninjured players in the expected goal on target (post shot) stat. As before this tries to take into account the quality of the shots taken rather than solely where the shot was taken from. Shouldn't be used as anything other than another guide.

This list doesnt include penalties so open play and set pieces only. You know who has the extra chances from penalties not included here.

It is from each players' previous 6 games in the premier league.

5.13 Son
4.99 Bamford
4.80 DCL
4.14 Mane
3.68 Lacazette
3.65 Kane
3.18 Werner
3.05 Watkins
2.87 Maupay
2.73 H.Barnes

Salah is just outside the 10. Being on penalties seems to have been important to both him and Kane.

06-11-2020 4:27pm

Lamptey or KWP this week?

06-11-2020 4:28pm

dsmythy wrote: »

Just thought I'd throw up the top 10 uninjured players in the expected goal on target (post shot) stat. As before this tries to take into account the quality of the shots taken rather than solely where the shot was taken from. Shouldn't be used as anything other than another guide.

This list doesnt include penalties so open play and set pieces only. You know who has the extra chances from penalties not included here.

It is from each players' previous 6 games in the premier league.

5.13 Son
4.99 Bamford
4.80 DCL
4.14 Mane
3.68 Lacazette
3.65 Kane
3.18 Werner
3.05 Watkins
2.87 Maupay
2.73 H.Barnes

Salah is just outside the 10. Being on penalties seems to have been important to both him and Kane.

nice where did you access them stats?

nullObjects · 06-11-2020 4:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Lamptey or KWP this week?

I'd go Lamptey if he was fit but I'm not sure if there was any update on his injury

06-11-2020 4:31pm

nullObjects wrote: »

I'd go Lamptey if he was fit but I'm not sure if there was any update on his injury

Ya I hadnt seen anything so not sure, still flagged yellow

dsmythy · 06-11-2020 4:34pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

nice where did you access them stats?

They're from Opta. Accessed via FFS membership.

Gus Ivey · 06-11-2020 4:35pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Ya I hadnt seen anything so not sure, still flagged yellow

He's almost certainly going to be playing.
Definitely be going with Lamptey over KWP

dsmythy · 06-11-2020 4:36pm

Lamptey would be far more entertaining at least. Could be anything. Had same decision and went with him presuming he plays at all.

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