Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

gozunda · 14-08-2019 7:24pm

Tell me how wrote: »

Do you have any idea what is being discussed here or do you really think that Greta sees herself as running anything?

These are her own words.

"Some people have chosen not to come here today, some have chosen not to listen to us and that is fine, we are after all just children, you don't have to listen to us. But you do have to listen to the scientists, that is all we ask,"

These are also her words ...

From a speech Greta Thunberg gave to MPs at the Houses of Parliament in April

Did you hear what I just said? Is my English OK? Is the microphone on? Because I’m beginning to wonder.

In an interview about her visit to the US and President Trump ...

Why should I waste time talking to him when he, of course, is not going to listen to me?”

She certainly seems to believe she is running the show in these comments tbh ...

MarquisDeSad · 14-08-2019 7:25pm

gozunda wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Of course the post was directed at you. That's why I quoted you. That article is fowl. Why would you post such faeces here?

The article is 'fowl'? You mean it's like a chicken or something? I think you may mean 'foul' as in distasteful. The article certainly spells it out - but no I do not see it as distasteful tbh

The article deals with the details and subject of the mothers book about Greta - would you prefer that people shouldn't comment on what the mother has herself written about the child and the fact the child self declares she is a "16 year old climate activist with Asperger" on her own twitter profile. If you just personally dont like well I guess that's tough tbh.

Of note you did not direct the comment "at" me. You attacked a poster and tried to throw ****e. Afaik that is against boards ToU. Perhaps you really dont know that I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but exactly long have you been posting here btw?

Grammar correcting is also against the charter. If your going to lecture someone on the charter perhaps don't break it twice in one post.

Anyway it's fascinating to see you and others hate towards her. Digging down deeper to throw whatever you can based on emotions.

If you don't see what's wrong with that article then that's on you.

gozunda · 14-08-2019 7:39pm

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Grammar correcting is also against the charter. If your going to lecture someone on the charter perhaps don't break it twice in one post.
Anyway it's fascinating to see you and others hate towards her. Digging down deeper to throw whatever you can based on emotions.
If you don't see what's wrong with that article then that's on you.

That wasn't grammar - in the context of the comment you used an incorrect word "fowl" as in chicken or poultry. And no clarifying that is not "against the charter" (sic). Attacking the poster is afaik.

There is no "hate" in my comment btw. This is a discussion however you may not like that. I dont account for anyone elses comments btw
It's simply an article about a book written by her mother. If you have a problem with anything in that article - then write to the author and explain that you dont like any criticism or whatever.
If others cannot voice an opinion on what has been written by the mother - then what you are suggesting is possibly of more concern than anything detailed in that article ...

Fr_Dougal · 14-08-2019 7:39pm

She’s an inspiration.

I have instructed my staff that they are to go completely vegan, and that they must improve my recycling.

From now on I’m going to reduce my use of the private jet.

downwesht · 14-08-2019 7:48pm

Her carbon neutral journey didn't last long,she travelled in an engine propelled rib to her yacht!Surely she could have rowed!

I wonder how she will get home,she is heading out into a large swell she will be as sick as a dog!Her Goretex will keep her dry no doubt!

Like Malala Youafzai, Gretta, is in my opinion,the face of a band of influencers who work in the background to advance their own agendas.Her Autism is a non issue and should not be brought into the equation.

The problem is there will emerge a plethora of copycat band wagon jumpers who know all the problems but not the solutions......

Tell me how · 14-08-2019 7:54pm

downwesht wrote: »

Her carbon neutral journey didn't last long,she travelled in an engine propelled rib to her yacht!Surely she could have rowed!

I wonder how she will get home,she is heading out into a large swell she will be as sick as a dog!Her Goretex will keep her dry no doubt!

Like Malala Youafzai, Gretta, is in my opinion,the face of a band of influencers who work in the background to advance their own agendas.Her Autism is a non issue and should not be brought into the equation.

The problem is there will emerge a plethora of copycat band wagon jumpers who know all the problems but not the solutions......

Advance their own agendas....

Greta - Talking about Climate change affecting the whole planet.
Malala - Was shot in the head by Taliban for wanting to attend school.

GTFO of here

One eyed Jack · 14-08-2019 7:55pm

lolo62 wrote: »

I don't see Greta as an authority. Maybe looking up to her isn't the right term of phrase, I admire her, I find what she's doing highly inspiring. I also don't think she's trying to be an authority figure she's just saying what she thinks with complete conviction and trying to make a difference. This is not something we are used to seeing from children, particularly if you were raised in Ireland and I think that's why peoples feathers are ruffled.
The reason I find what she's doing inspiring is because we don't live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive. To admire what Greta is doing isn't putting unfair responsibility on her shoulders it's supporting one girl, who in my opinion, IS thriving despite the odds.

We’re so far apart on this one lola I’m not sure there’s going to be any agreement. I do see where you’re coming from and I get why you would admire her for her enthusiasm and her work. I admire her for that too. I think it’s great that she has such enthusiasm and passion for something she believes in.

This is absolutely something people are used to seeing in children no matter what country or society they were raised in, no matter what time they were raised in. According to Biblical accounts, Jesus was 12 when he started his journey of social justice advocacy

But that’s why I said earlier that the idea of using children to promote adults beliefs is nothing new. Not too many are going to shoot the messenger when they’re a child, and the adults using the child as a shield know this. That’s what makes what the adults are doing wrong. That’s what ruffles my feathers. I don’t hold the child, Greta in this case, in any way responsible for “her” message.

I absolutely disagree with you that we don’t live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive. That’s exactly what most adults do, and there will always be the few that will regale their children as the new Messiah. All bets are off when the child becomes an adult and then we can fire at will on the messenger, but while they’re a child, nobody is going to do that, because they believe children need protecting from adults who would seek to put any responsibility on a child before that child has developed the mental capacity and maturity to have adult interactions with adults.

I don’t find Greta the least bit inspirational, because she’s a child. I don’t take inspiration from children because my role in society as an adult is to inspire children so that when they become adults, they can do the things that adults do and they have the capacity to fully understand what they’re doing, as opposed to placing their trust in adults who it’s clear couldn’t care less about her welfare and care more about using a child to promote their own message and shield them and their message, from criticism. The novelty will wear off Greta when she grows up, only to have her replaced with another child. It’s very rare that children who attain fame in early childhood themselves go on to become mature adults who contribute to society.

So when a group of adults are demanding that people examine their attitudes to the long term welfare of our environment while using a child to do so, it’s only appropriate for other people to suggest that those people examine the long term consequences of their own actions first and what those actions could mean for a child that they’re supposed to protect from coming to harm.

IamtheWalrus · 14-08-2019 8:06pm

I think those who are discrediting her would change their view if they did their research on the future we will have if we don't act soon. The window is rapidly closing. I, for one, would hate to be a child today. Genuinely.

biko · 14-08-2019 8:18pm

lolo62 · 14-08-2019 8:20pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

We’re so far apart on this one lola I’m not sure there’s going to be any agreement. I do see where you’re coming from and I get why you would admire her for her enthusiasm and her work. I admire her for that too. I think it’s great that she has such enthusiasm and passion for something she believes in.

This is absolutely something people are used to seeing in children no matter what country or society they were raised in, no matter what time they were raised in. According to Biblical accounts, Jesus was 12 when he started his journey of social justice advocacy But that’s why I said earlier that the idea of using children to promote adults beliefs is nothing new. Not too many are going to shoot the messenger when they’re a child, and the adults using the child as a shield know this. That’s what makes what the adults are doing wrong. That’s what ruffles my feathers. I don’t hold the child, Greta in this case, in any way responsible for “her” message.

I absolutely disagree with you that we don’t live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive. That’s exactly what most adults do, and there will always be the few that will regale their children as the new Messiah. All bets are off when the child becomes an adult and then we can fire at will on the messenger, but while they’re a child, nobody is going to do that, because they believe children need protecting from adults who would seek to put any responsibility on a child before that child has developed the mental capacity and maturity to have adult interactions with adults.

I don’t find Greta the least bit inspirational, because she’s a child. I don’t take inspiration from children because my role in society as an adult is to inspire children so that when they become adults, they can do the things that adults do and they have the capacity to fully understand what they’re doing, as opposed to placing their trust in adults who it’s clear couldn’t care less about her welfare and care more about using a child to promote their own message and shield them and their message, from criticism. The novelty will wear off Greta when she grows up, only to have her replaced with another child. It’s very rare that children who attain fame in early childhood themselves go on to become mature adults who contribute to society.

So when a group of adults are demanding that people examine their attitudes to the long term welfare of our environment while using a child to do so, it’s only appropriate for other people to suggest that those people examine the long term consequences of their own actions first and what those actions could mean for a child that they’re supposed to protect from coming to harm.

I personally amn't used to seeing children speak so clearly and with such conviction. I have worked as a teacher for 20 years and when I come across a child that speaks with a power that is all their own it stops me in my tracks. (Most just regurgitate their narcissistic parents BS and are controlled/micromanaged to within an inch of their lives.) I once had a child of 7 I taught instrumental music to who used to say the most profound things to me and I felt it was my duty to give her the space to do that each week, even though the jaded teacher in me just wanted to tell her to stop talking and do what I wanted her to do.
I think Greta is on her own journey. I really don't believe she's being coerced or pushed onto her platform, but I haven't read books written by her parents etc so maybe people who have are looking a bit deeper into things and drawing different conclusions based on that.
What group of adults do you think are demanding that people examine their attitudes to the long term welfare of our environment while using a child (Greta) to do so?

jackboy · 14-08-2019 8:22pm

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

The window is rapidly closing. I, for one, would hate to be a child today. Genuinely.

Don’t share these opinions with any children.

biko · 14-08-2019 8:30pm

Climate change is a good cause but tbh a PR-firm powered child isn't the way forward for me.
If it is enough to move the masses then sure, why not. As long long as the movement is about climate only and doesn't start on the usual lefty idea around immigration, classes, owning means of production etc.
Or raising taxes.

While Asia pump the seas full of plastic you are recycling responsibly and told to pay carbon tax.
Is carbon tax earmarked for environment effort?
Hell no, it raises €400 million a year but it goes straight into the general exchequer big bag of money for other things the gov feels like spending on.
Hence it's not a real environment tax, it's just another tax they dreamed up to separate you from your money.

SafeSurfer · 14-08-2019 8:45pm

lolo62 wrote: »

I don't see Greta as an authority. Maybe looking up to her isn't the right term of phrase, I admire her, I find what she's doing highly inspiring. I also don't think she's trying to be an authority figure she's just saying what she thinks with complete conviction and trying to make a difference. This is not something we are used to seeing from children, particularly if you were raised in Ireland and I think that's why peoples feathers are ruffled.
The reason I find what she's doing inspiring is because we don't live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive. To admire what Greta is doing isn't putting unfair responsibility on her shoulders it's supporting one girl, who in my opinion, IS thriving despite the odds.

I think the vast majority of parents seek to create a society in which their children can thrive. You may disagree with their vision of this society or their means of creating it but to suggest parents don’t protect their children or strive for a society in which they can thrive is a sweeping generalization, wholly without merit.

Would I allow my teenage daughter to travel on a voyage in a confined space with a couple of wealthy members of the elite, including an individual who’s family hosts a formula 1 Grand Prix in their principality in order to lobby US politicians about action on climate change?

I might suggest she stay at home and lobby her new found friends to switch from Formula one hosting to electric car racing.

SafeSurfer · 14-08-2019 8:51pm

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I think those who are discrediting her would change their view if they did their research on the future we will have if we don't act soon. The window is rapidly closing. I, for one, would hate to be a child today. Genuinely.

Any civilization who beat both acid rain and the Milennium Bug will no doubt manage to come through “Climate Change”.

lolo62 · 14-08-2019 9:00pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I think the vast majority of parents seek to create a society in which their children can thrive. You may disagree with their vision of this society or their means of creating it but to suggest parents don’t protect their children or strive for a society in which they can thrive is a sweeping generalization, wholly without merit.
.

I didn't suggest parents don't strive for those things, if that's what you got from what I was saying you misunderstood. I don't believe adults have created a society in which children can thrive. This might seem like a sweeping generalization but speaking about society is sort of general by default. I don't know how I could have put it better but did not mean any offence.

One eyed Jack · 14-08-2019 9:08pm

lolo62 wrote: »

I personally amn't used to seeing children speak so clearly and with such conviction. I have worked as a teacher for 20 years and when I come across a child that speaks with a power that is all their own it stops me in my tracks.

Children who are generally regarded by adults to be child prodigies will do that. Greta is not a child prodigy of any description. She is like most children simply a product of her parents and the adults she has been surrounded with, inculcated with their beliefs. I don’t believe for a minute that she is speaking with any power all of her own, but that she is being powered by the adults who have surrounded her and are using her as a mouthpiece (unfortunate choice of words but refers to the adults around her view her as opposed to anything Greta herself is not responsible for) for their own beliefs.

lolo62 wrote: »

(Most just regurgitate their narcissistic parents BS and are controlled/micromanaged to within an inch of their lives.)
What group of adults do you think are demanding that people examine their attitudes to the long term welfare of our environment while using a child (Greta) to do so?

Kinda answered your own question right there lola tbh. I believe her parents and the adults in her life who are micromanaging her to within an inch of her young life are the very people who are controlling her and controlling the messages she is putting out into the world in front of the media and in the political arena. I believe she is simply regurgitating her narcissistic parents BS and the BS of the other adults who are using her as a carrier of their message.

My own child for example would likely stop you in your tracks and to be frank he’s a bit of an arsehole (perhaps more like myself than I’d like to think then :pac:), I’d love nothing more sometimes than to bundle him onto a boat and punt him off out to sea as far away as possible, sometimes (not for the same reasons as Greta’s parents though

), but I don’t do that. Why? Because he’s a child. It’s not his place to represent my views to the world. When he’s an adult, then by all means I’ll be glad to see him piss off and wish him well in his endeavours to inflict his opinions on the world. I dunno how you’d react to him but while he breaks my balls he’d probably melt your heart, and that’s exactly why I think you imagine that Greta herself is ruffling feathers and is an inspiration for you, because she’s a child who would melt the hardest of hearts! There’s no denying it. It’s what makes her so charming that she appears to be exceptional in some way, that you’re placing more value in her opinions than if those same opinions were being spoken by an adult.

Greta isn’t saying anything that hasn’t been said by adults for donkeys years. The difference isn’t the message, it’s the fact that they’re now weaponising children to spread their message because they know adult fruitcakes don’t command the same attention, but who doesn’t love a cute kid?

Melanchthon · 14-08-2019 9:20pm

biko wrote: »

Climate change is a good cause but tbh a PR-firm powered child isn't the way forward for me.
If it is enough to move the masses then sure, why not. As long long as the movement is about climate only and doesn't start on the usual lefty idea around immigration, classes, owning means of production etc.
Or raising taxes.

While Asia pump the seas full of plastic you are recycling responsibly and told to pay carbon tax.
Is carbon tax earmarked for environment effort?
Hell no, it raises €400 million a year but it goes straight into the general exchequer big bag of money for other things the gov feels like spending on.
Hence it's not a real environment tax, it's just another tax they dreamed up to separate you from your money.

Is there a way out of a potential climate change spiral with current levels of technology that can be solved in a capitalist liberal economic system, thats the unpleasant question.
The world likely can't sustain 9 Billion-ish people consuming at its current rates, it definitely can't support consumption at 1st world rates across that population. Whether coming from the left or right ideology much stricter state control seems a more likely outcome.

Beechwoodspark · 14-08-2019 9:21pm

Her mode of travel is fantastic compared to air travel. Well done Greta

SafeSurfer · 14-08-2019 9:22pm

lolo62 wrote: »

I didn't suggest parents don't strive for those things, if that's what you got from what I was saying you misunderstood. I don't believe adults have created a society in which children can thrive. This might seem like a sweeping generalization but speaking about society is sort of general by default. I don't know how I could have put it better but did not mean any offence.

You said
“The reason I find what she's doing inspiring is because we don't live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive”.

If I misunderstood then I have completely missed your point. You said the above quote was the reason you find her inspirational.
How do you feel about parents who “facilitate” their children to be child sports prodigies, child actors etc, etc. Are they protecting their children and helping them to realize their full potential or exploiting them. Reading some biographies of famous actors and sports starts of driven parents is instructive.
Her mother suggesting that Greta could actually see Co2 diminished the family’s credibility in my view.

gozunda · 14-08-2019 9:31pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

Is there a way out of a potential climate change spiral with current levels of technology that can be solved in a capitalist liberal economic system, thats the unpleasant question.
The world likely can't sustain 9 Billion-ish people consuming at its current rates, it definitely can't support consumption at 1st world rates across that population. Whether coming from the left or right ideology much stricter state control seems a more likely outcome.

Kind of to the side of that however communist / socialist totalitarian type governments have an absolutely abysmal record on environmental issues. China is the world's top emitter of greenhouse gases primarily due to their insistance on commissioning new coal power stations. Their per capita emissions are now at or above the European average. So whatever about 'capitalist liberal economic' political system and solutions - the are certainly not the sole purveyors of these issues ...

biko · 14-08-2019 9:35pm

We need to help Asia reduce this, that's where the effort need to lie.
It will be done by foreign aid and foreign technology.
And taxing polluting companies and earmarking the taxes to go straight to the clean-up effort, nothing else.
I can pay 3 cents extra for my Coke if I know for sure it helps clean up Asia. You can too*

The company charged with the cleanup will be answering directly to UN, so UN can do something of value at all.

* sorry about going all commie on you

lolo62 · 14-08-2019 9:39pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Children who are generally regarded by adults to be child prodigies will do that. Greta is not a child prodigy of any description. She is like most children simply a product of her parents and the adults she has been surrounded with, inculcated with their beliefs. I don’t believe for a minute that she is speaking with any power all of her own, but that she is being powered by the adults who have surrounded her and are using her as a mouthpiece (unfortunate choice of words but refers to the adults around her view her as opposed to anything Greta herself is not responsible for) for their own beliefs.

Kinda answered your own question right there lola tbh. I believe her parents and the adults in her life who are micromanaging her to within an inch of her young life are the very people who are controlling her and controlling the messages she is putting out into the world in front of the media and in the political arena. I believe she is simply regurgitating her narcissistic parents BS and the BS of the other adults who are using her as a carrier of their message.

My own child for example would likely stop you in your tracks and to be frank he’s a bit of an arsehole (perhaps more like myself than I’d like to think then :pac:), I’d love nothing more sometimes than to bundle him onto a boat and punt him off out to sea as far away as possible, sometimes (not for the same reasons as Greta’s parents though ), but I don’t do that. Why? Because he’s a child. It’s not his place to represent my views to the world. When he’s an adult, then by all means I’ll be glad to see him piss off and wish him well in his endeavours to inflict his opinions on the world. I dunno how you’d react to him but while he breaks my balls he’d probably melt your heart, and that’s exactly why I think you imagine that Greta herself is ruffling feathers and is an inspiration for you, because she’s a child who would melt the hardest of hearts! There’s no denying it. It’s what makes her so charming that she appears to be exceptional in some way, that you’re placing more value in her opinions than if those same opinions were being spoken by an adult.

Greta isn’t saying anything that hasn’t been said by adults for donkeys years. The difference isn’t the message, it’s the fact that they’re now weaponising children to spread their message because they know adult fruitcakes don’t command the same attention, but who doesn’t love a cute kid?

God I thought I was cynical

. Yes children are a product of their environment but by 16 they have definitely gotten a sense of themselves as autonomous and with an Asperger's kid maybe sooner. I certainly don't think she's being "weaponized" and I believe her when she says it's not coming from her parents. Anyway I don't think we're ever going to agree but if everyone agreed all the time life would be boring!

14-08-2019 9:42pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Her mode of travel is fantastic compared to air travel. Well done Greta

Paid for by whom?
The royal family in Monaco.
I wonder how much climate change they are responsible for.
Have you seen the cars they have in Monaco? No reason to have cars at all there. And as for the formula one!!

MarquisDeSad · 14-08-2019 9:45pm

gozunda wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Grammar correcting is also against the charter. If your going to lecture someone on the charter perhaps don't break it twice in one post.
Anyway it's fascinating to see you and others hate towards her. Digging down deeper to throw whatever you can based on emotions.
If you don't see what's wrong with that article then that's on you.

That wasn't grammar - in the context of the comment you used an incorrect word "fowl" as in chicken or poultry. And no clarifying that is not "against the charter" (sic). Attacking the poster is afaik.

There is no "hate" in my comment btw. This is a discussion however you may not like that. I dont account for anyone elses comments btw
It's simply an article about a book written by her mother. If you have a problem with anything in that article - then write to the author and explain that you dont like any criticism or whatever.
If others cannot voice an opinion on what has been written by the mother - then what you are suggesting is possibly of more concern than anything detailed in that article ...

Go read the charter again. You need a refresh. Breaking it again.

The article is a hit piece by suspect journalist by a suspect publication. It's written for low intelligent individuals to lap up.

Your posting history says otherwise when it comes to Greta or climate change. A mixture of ignorance, insults and fingers in the ears codology.

Beechwoodspark · 14-08-2019 9:46pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Paid for by whom?
The royal family in Monaco.
I wonder how much climate change they are responsible for.
Have you seen the cars they have in Monaco? No reason to have cars at all there. And as for the formula one!!

Google the amount of co2 in atmosphere over a million year time scale

odyssey06 · 14-08-2019 9:46pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Paid for by whom?
The royal family in Monaco.
I wonder how much climate change they are responsible for.
Have you seen the cars they have in Monaco? No reason to have cars at all there. And as for the formula one!!

There is a helicopter ferry service from nice airport to monaco too...

Nermal · 14-08-2019 9:51pm

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Again fascinating. It's almost if people are ignoring what issues she is directly pointing at and just pointing at her.

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating. Look at this fellas hate for her. As I said earlier in the thread it is fascinating to see the emotive ire directed at her.

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating to see the emotive ire she's receiving.

Change the record.

lolo62 · 14-08-2019 9:53pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You said
“The reason I find what she's doing inspiring is because we don't live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive”.

If I misunderstood then I have completely missed your point. You said the above quote was the reason you find her inspirational.
How do you feel about parents who “facilitate” their children to be child sports prodigies, child actors etc, etc. Are they protecting their children and helping them to realize their full potential or exploiting them. Reading some biographies of famous actors and sports starts of driven parents is instructive.
Her mother suggesting that Greta could actually see Co2 diminished the family’s credibility in my view.

I thought I had clarified. You said that I suggested "parents" don't protect their children or "strive" to create a society they can thrive in. You said that this was a sweeping generalization. What I actually said was that adults (and I was speaking in terms of society) don't protect their (maybe should have said our) children or create a society where they can thrive.

SafeSurfer · 14-08-2019 9:57pm

lolo62 wrote: »

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You said
“The reason I find what she's doing inspiring is because we don't live in a world where adults protect their children and create a society where their children can thrive”.

If I misunderstood then I have completely missed your point. You said the above quote was the reason you find her inspirational.
How do you feel about parents who “facilitate” their children to be child sports prodigies, child actors etc, etc. Are they protecting their children and helping them to realize their full potential or exploiting them. Reading some biographies of famous actors and sports starts of driven parents is instructive.
Her mother suggesting that Greta could actually see Co2 diminished the family’s credibility in my view.

I thought I had clarified. You said that I suggested "parents" don't protect their children or "strive" to create a society they can thrive in. You said that this was a sweeping generalization. What I actually said was that adults (and I was speaking in terms of society) don't protect their (maybe should have said our) children or create a society where they can thrive.

Angels on a pinhead there. In what way do parents not protect their children?

downwesht · 14-08-2019 10:17pm

Boat left Plymouth and took a diversion towards Looe,I wonder did she jump ship already?
Off the Lizard doing 14 knts!Forget the bucket for the toilet she'll spew her vegan guts up!

gozunda · 14-08-2019 10:20pm

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Go read the charter again. You need a refresh. Breaking it again. The article is a hit piece by suspect journalist by a suspect publication. It's written for low intelligent individuals to lap up.
...

If you dont like the article then write and complain to the journalist who you malign and dont whinge at me about it. I've checked the publication and tbh - it appears to be within the norms of journalistic standards imo The point you are clearly missing is that the article is based on the facts detailed in Gretas mothers book. Do you understand that? Theres is no 'hate' (sic) btw - just a simple discussion of the books contents.

Tbh the solicitude comes across as somewhat bizarre tbh. Do you usually trawl posters comment history to try and (wrongly) claim cheap shots? Seriously though - wheres the problem. You have failed to put forward any coherent argument in the discussion above, attack a poster and when a word you've used - apparently incorrectly (you've failed to confirm this btw) is clarified for you - it all goes postal? I mean wtf? Here the charter - please point out the bit regarding clarifying if a word is correct? https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057989814/1/#post110608059 ie . Your comment is simply coming across as twisted tbh.

As stated the main thing I've previously pointed out about a very small number of climate change 'screamers' was the use of hysteria.
Your comments are not showing anyone otherwise tbh. In all seriousness though your comments are not even making any sense imo.

As you are now just derailing the discussion - I will leave you at it ...

bfa1509 · 14-08-2019 10:28pm

Apart from man-made environmental disasters such as oil spills, plastic filled oceans and the likes, which are all terrible; I think it's a slim-nil chance humans have anything to do with climate change (the so called "science" the tree-huggers drone on about is scant at best). This Greta is no exception, she comes out with the most stereotypical, catchphrasey crap I've ever heard. I feel sorry for her for the traction she has gained.

Aside from this, I have huge respect for her for getting a yacht across the atlantic! But could I be forgiven for smelling an element of bullsh!ttery about the whole thing? How do we know she won't just pull a 180 around the harbor and just jet over there next month?

I hope she proves me wrong...

screamer · 14-08-2019 10:32pm

She might be regreta after this trip if it goes wrong, if she gets stranded or into trouble out on the high seas, how does she think she’ll be rescued..... by diesel and petrol burning vehicles.
Seriously, great ideals but no idea about the real world. She can sail on.

gozunda · 14-08-2019 10:47pm

screamer wrote: »

She might be regreta after this trip if it goes wrong, if she gets stranded or into trouble out on the high seas, how does she think she’ll be rescued..... by diesel and petrol burning vehicles.
Seriously, great ideals but no idea about the real world. She can sail on.

I've sailed a small bit of the Atlantic and a fair bit of the mediterrrean and the Aegean and tbh it is certainly not for the faint hearted. I was once caught in a force 11 storm and I can tell you that was nearly enough to put me off for life tbh. Bringing a couple land lubbers across the Atlantic ocean on a very basic provisioned racing yacht (no toilets and a tiny tiny amount of space per person) is frankly a ridiculous PR stunt. I hope they dont regret it.

MarquisDeSad · 14-08-2019 11:01pm

Nermal wrote: »

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Again fascinating. It's almost if people are ignoring what issues she is directly pointing at and just pointing at her.

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating. Look at this fellas hate for her. As I said earlier in the thread it is fascinating to see the emotive ire directed at her.

MarquisDeSad wrote: »

Fascinating to see the emotive ire she's receiving.

Change the record.

Fascinating

memes now. Fascinating to see you point your finger away from Greta at me now.

moonage · 14-08-2019 11:03pm

Greta's boat trip just further demonises CO2.

CO2 is the gas of life and the current levels are fine and would still be even if they doubled or trebled. Higher CO2 levels lead to a wonderful greening effect on the planet.

All this "climate crisis" nonsense is just an excuse to bring about more centralised world governance.

biko · 14-08-2019 11:05pm

When you put a person in front of a movement she becomes the movement, embodies it.
That is why people are so interested in her.

She started skipping school, for the climate. So the kids joined.
She asking the workers to strike for the climate. The unions said no.

A friend in Malaysia just posted about her on FB, that's how far her fame have reached, at 16.
I just hope her parents don't drive her too hard.

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-08-2019 11:07pm

Isn't there a rake of atlantic storms due?
Imagine launching an array of Seakings risking emergency services would cancel out any carbon savings.

An absail off the Shard and a few printed t-shirts would've done the job.
Or some actual solution-based ideas, such as forcing airlines to do away with 1st class altogether to squeeze more on.

Moghead · 14-08-2019 11:11pm

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I might suggest she stay at home and lobby her new found friends to switch from Formula one hosting to electric car racing.

Not trying to drag the thread off topic but there is a round of the formula E electric car racing championship in Monaco.

beauf · 14-08-2019 11:13pm

Moghead wrote: »

Not trying to drag the thread off topic but there is a round of the formula E electric car racing championship in Monaco.

Lots of potential there....

How is she getting back from NY ...?

Moghead · 14-08-2019 11:14pm

beauf wrote: »

Lots of potential there....

How is she getting back from NY ...?

I dunno.

Moghead · 14-08-2019 11:17pm

I saw on twitter that sack of ****e Aaron Banks wants her boat to sink in a storm.

gozunda · 14-08-2019 11:20pm

Aiyana Wonderful Condor wrote: »

Isn't there a rake of atlantic storms due?
Imagine launching an array of Seakings risking emergency services would cancel out any carbon savings.

An absail off the Shard and a few printed t-shirts would've done the job.
Or some actual solution-based ideas, such as forcing airlines to do away with 1st class altogether to squeeze more on.

Bad time of year to be heading into the Atlantic tbh. The Fastnet Yacht race of the 11 August 1979 claimed many lives. I remember it well ...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/calm-seas-at-start-of-1979-fastnet-race-belied-impending-tragedy-1.3984289

Tbh Skype would have been more than sufficient. Daft PR stunt imo.

AlekSmart · 14-08-2019 11:20pm

odyssey06 wrote: »

There is a helicopter ferry service from nice airport to monaco too...

I wonder does it take the oul Free Pass...?

http://www.welfare.ie/en/Pages/Can-I-use-it-on-any-air-services.aspx

If you hold a Free Travel Card and you live permanently on any of the Aran Islands, you may travel for free on Aer Arann services between the islands and Galway city. Aer Arann operates an airline service between the Aran Islands and Aerphort Chonamara at Indreabhan, Co. Galway and also provides a shuttle bus service between Aerphort Chonamara and Galway city.

If you are married, in a civil partnership or cohabiting and hold the correct type of Free Travel Card, your spouse, civil partner or cohabitant may join you for free. If you hold a Free Travel Companion Card, any one person, aged 16 or over, may join you, free of charge.

You can use the Free Travel Card for up to 12 single journeys (or up to 6 return journeys) between the Aran Islands and Galway city each year. You may make unlimited extra journeys at a special reduced rate.

If you hold a Free Travel Card and you live on the mainland, you may travel on Aer Arann’s airline and bus services between Galway city and the Aran Islands at a special reduced rate. Your spouse, civil partner, cohabitant or a companion may join you and also avail of the special reduced rate.
Journeys to and from Tory Island

If you hold a Free Travel Card and you live permanently on Tory Island, Co. Donegal, you can travel free of charge on the helicopter service between the island and Falcarragh on the mainland.

You can use the Free Travel Card for 8 single journeys (or up to 4 return journeys) each year. Your spouse, civil partner, cohabitant or a companion may join you, free of charge.

Life is funny at times,perhaps Greta will find some humour in the bigger picture ?

Moghead · 14-08-2019 11:22pm

moonage wrote: »

Greta's boat trip just further demonises CO2.

CO2 is the gas of life and the current levels are fine and would still be even if they doubled or trebled. Higher CO2 levels lead to a wonderful greening effect on the planet.

All this "climate crisis" nonsense is just an excuse to bring about more centralised world governance.

I'd be all for a centralised world government.

14-08-2019 11:24pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Climate saint Greta Trunburg is settling sail for UN climate talks in New York to demand that governments socially engineer and tax the little people into oblivion to save the planet. Accompanied by her film maker father who lives vicariously through her, a filthy rich aristocrat from Monaco and some German bloke the trip will no doubt vastly increase the wattage of her halo before she lectures us all about impending climate Armageddon in New York. Hopefully snaps from the trip will make it into Hello! Magazine.

Do you oppose her or are you in favour of her? I can't quite put my finger on it

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-08-2019 11:35pm

moonage wrote: »

Greta's boat trip just further demonises CO2.

CO2 is the gas of life and the current levels are fine and would still be even if they doubled or trebled. Higher CO2 levels lead to a wonderful greening effect on the planet.

All this "climate crisis" nonsense is just an excuse to bring about more centralised world governance.

Somewhat agree, the easiest thing the countries of the world have to do is plant lots more trees, Ireland missed it's own tree planting target by 40,000 hectares just before calling the green 'mergency.

sk8erboii · 14-08-2019 11:38pm

moonage wrote: »

All this "climate crisis" nonsense is just an excuse to bring about more centralised world governance.

Can someone explain to me why One World Government conspiracy theories always pop up in environmental stunts?

Nermal · 14-08-2019 11:45pm

I would feel rather ridiculous telling say, the inhabitants of the slums of Lagos to reduce their carbon footprint.

I guess this is why His Serene Highness, Duke of Valentinois, Estouteville, Mazarin and Mayenne, Albert Alexandre Louis Pierre Grimaldi of Monaco, has decided that he would rather deliver the same message to us via a child, rather than personally.

So as not to appear ridiculous...

4068ac1elhodqr · 14-08-2019 11:51pm

sk8erboii wrote: »

Can someone explain to me why One World Government conspiracy theories always pop up in environmental stunts?

The (slightly globalist) billionaire Gates has already begun 'sky-clouding' months ago, according to the article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7350713/Bill-Gates-wants-spray-millions-tonnes-dust-stratosphere-stop-global-warming.html

The folks in remote desert islands were likely not consulted about the experimentation/stunt of calcium carbonate dust being lashed up into the high atmosphere.

The same folks admit the potential for disaster from even this early test phase remains.

News this week is that many folks up in Donegal have vit D (the sunshine vitamin) levels so low, that the Dr's thought their machines were faulty, cases of rickets in the US are also on the rise.

Greta and the aristocrat sail the high seas to save the planet.

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