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Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

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  • #4452
    Eleven Benevolent Elephants
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭Eleven Benevolent Elephants


    I'm glad I homebrew


  • #4453
    Vic_08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    Eleven Benevolent Elephants wrote: »
    I'm glad I homebrew

    Oh, you'll be next on the vintners hit list when MUP doesn't result in the country flocking to the pub.

    They'll probably demand a fleet of homebrew detector vans or something.


  • #4454
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    San Miguel €1 a litre in Dealz in Spain, a 5% beer, it's a disgrace Joe...
    https://dealz.es/cerveza-san-miguel/

    The Spanish must be raging alcoholics


  • #4455
    thesandeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,760 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The Spanish must be raging alcoholics

    It must be aimed at British expats going by the related products in the link.


  • #4456
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    It's not, if you are talking about supermarkets.

    I've been to LIDL in Copenhagen - alcohol was cheaper than here.
    Pubs in Copenhagen - alcohol more expensive unless 'happy hour'.

    We don't need minimum pricing. Just enforce the laws we already have on drink driving, drunk and disorderly etc

    Danish prices are at two ends of the scale

    Corner shops are cheaper than the cheapest supermarket deals here

    Every bar in the country makes Temple Bar look cheap.

    But that's because service industry staff are paid €20+ an hour. You don't tip in Denmark.


  • #4457
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    Now I don't think it has ever been cheaper than Germany, but equally I believe its cheaper here than in Scandinavia.

    It was only posted a few days ago - here

    Second most expensive alcohol in the EU, we're slightly behind Finland which is 91% above the EU average.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4458
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    L1011 wrote: »
    Danish prices are at two ends of the scale

    Corner shops are cheaper than the cheapest supermarket deals here

    Every bar in the country makes Temple Bar look cheap.

    But that's because service industry staff are paid €20+ an hour. You don't tip in Denmark.

    Well that's not true at all. There are loads of bars in Copenhagen called "Bodegas", really old school divey places, I loved them - but it was only 2 euro or 2.50 for a bottle of Tuborg or local beer in those places. And their Tuborg is 5%!


  • #4459
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    It was only posted a few days ago - here

    Second most expensive alcohol in the EU, we're slightly behind Finland which is 91% above the EU average.
    Didn't Finland have some sort of ban on alcohol (dry law?), which led to people coming up with creative ways to hide it?

    Or something like that..?
    I'm sure somebody here will have more information on it (which wouldn't be hard) , but I have a distant memory of watching a programme years ago that spoke about that, which led to all sorts of alcohol filled desserts and liquer filled sweets etc..
    And after their dry law, some government owned company (was set up for that reason) makes and distributes all of the alcohol in the country??
    I was under the impression that they are at the extreme end of the scale when it comes to alcohol.


    Off to search I go.


  • #4460
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Suckit wrote: »
    Didn't Finland have some sort of ban on alcohol (dry law?), which led to people coming up with creative ways to hide it?

    Or something like that..?
    I'm sure somebody here will have more information on it (which wouldn't be hard) , but I have a distant memory of watching a programme years ago that spoke about that, which led to all sorts of alcohol filled desserts and liquer filled sweets etc..
    And after their dry law, some government owned company (was set up for that reason) makes and distributes all of the alcohol in the country??
    I was under the impression that they are at the extreme end of the scale when it comes to alcohol.


    Off to search I go.


    Many years ago my mother went on the ferry from Helsinki to Tallinn, possibly the original booze cruise. Finnish nationals would go to Tallinn and stock up on booze and bring home. She said she never saw so many drunk old ladies in her life.

    She talked about stepping over passed out old ladies on the stairs on the ferry.


  • #4461
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    British Prime Minister Boris Johnson's controversial Brexit bill could delay the introduction of minimum alcohol pricing across Ireland.

    That's according to Alcohol Action Ireland, as the Internal Market Bill makes its way through the House of Commons.

    The Oireachtas passed minimum pricing legislation in 2018, but they want to introduce it at the same time as the North.

    But Eunan McKinney, from Alcohol Action Ireland, says it should no longer be delayed because of the latest Brexit developments. He said Mr Johnson's bill will cause difficulties for Northern Ireland Minister for Health Robin Swann as he looks to introduce minimum alcohol pricing.

    Mr McKinney said: "The Internal Market Bill seeks to establish an internal market within the United Kingdom. The Scottish administration in particular have identified this as a real problem, that is one of the problems Nicola Sturgeon [Scottish First Minister] has most significantly with the Internal Market Bill."

    He added: "It is stripping away devolved powers, if you strip away the devolved powers, that certainly will curtail Robin Swann's ability to bring about minimum unit pricing in Northern Ireland."

    Finally something good to say about Boris.


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  • #4462
    wonga77
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭wonga77


    I disagree, the "drinking problems" are myths from the government.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Many years ago my mother went on the ferry from Helsinki to Tallinn, possibly the original booze cruise. Finnish nationals would go to Tallinn and stock up on booze and bring home. She said she never saw so many drunk old ladies in her life.

    She talked about stepping over passed out old ladies on the stairs on the ferry.

    Ive done that trip a few times, you're quite correct about them flocking to Talinn for the cheap booze. Not as common now as I think the prices arent as cheap as they were. I never saw anyone passed out though


  • #4463
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    I searched a little, and found out that they definitely do seem at the extreme end of things, even though they are slightly relaxing some laws. They also seem to have invented the alcohol sweets :)
    This caught my attention, but no doubt won't be cheap.
    Anyway, OT, but it was because I was surprised that we are closer to Finland prices (which are very high due to their strict laws) than anywhere else, which imho is probably enough.
    We don't need Eunan McKinney and his ilk adding pressure to things on our behalf.


  • #4464
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    There's an awful whiff of "none purer than a reformed hoor" off those organisations. Terrified that someone, somewhere might be enjoying themselves.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4465
    Eleven Benevolent Elephants
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 426 ✭✭Eleven Benevolent Elephants


    I'm going to enjoy my homebrew tonight. It's probably not as nice as other people here would make it but it gets the job done.


  • #4466
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    E McKinney back in the news calling for immediate implementation of MUP without waiting for NI to move.


    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/alcohol-minimum-unit-pricing-5213835-Sep2020/


  • #4467
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    elperello wrote: »
    E McKinney back in the news calling for immediate implementation of MUP without waiting for NI to move.


    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/alcohol-minimum-unit-pricing-5213835-Sep2020/

    What a f*cking w*nker


  • #4468
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 92,476 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    elperello wrote: »
    E McKinney back in the news calling for immediate implementation of MUP without waiting for NI to move.
    That's one of those times when it's better to keep your mouth shut in case people assume you're an idiot rather than proving it.

    Thanks to road improvements NI is a lot easier to get to so inconvenience isn't as big a factor as it was.

    Revenue can predict how much Excise and VAT will be lost to the UK if that was done. Money that then wouldn't be available for the HSE.


  • #4469
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    elperello wrote: »
    E McKinney back in the news calling for immediate implementation of MUP without waiting for NI to move.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/alcohol-minimum-unit-pricing-5213835-Sep2020/

    Lying through his teeth. €11 bottles of Irish Whiskey? Not in Ireland tha'ts for sure.

    Also ignoring that overall alcohol consumption has gone down since pubs were closed, off sales increased but overall consumption is still less.

    Alcohol consumption per capita peaked in 2000 and has been falling ever since.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4470
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,156 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Lying through his teeth. €11 bottles of Irish Whiskey? Not in Ireland tha'ts for sure.
    Also ignoring that overall alcohol consumption has gone down since pubs were closed, off sales increased but overall consumption is still less.
    Alcohol consumption per capita peaked in 2000 and has been falling ever since.

    In their survey, they listed Drombeg Doonbeg which is €11 in Dunnes as a 40% Irish whiskey. It's a whiskey liqueur at about 20% - 25%.
    You would think if they're going to lead with that claim they would double check their figures... but nope.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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  • #4471
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,298 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Lying through his teeth. €11 bottles of Irish Whiskey? Not in Ireland tha'ts for sure.

    Also ignoring that overall alcohol consumption has gone down since pubs were closed, off sales increased but overall consumption is still less.

    Alcohol consumption per capita peaked in 2000 and has been falling ever since.


    Thats a statistic none of the nimbys like to acknowledge


  • #4472
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Vintners Federation of Ireland (your friendly local) red in tooth and claw.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/vintners-call-for-minimum-pricing-off-licence-5228993-Oct2020/

    Don't forget.


  • #4473
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,513 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    elperello wrote: »
    Vintners Federation of Ireland (your friendly local) red in tooth and claw.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/vintners-call-for-minimum-pricing-off-licence-5228993-Oct2020/

    Don't forget.

    gee, i wonder what they might mean by this
    Cribben claimed that allowing people to consume alcohol in a controlled environment makes more sense than to for it to go unsupervised by those buying in bulk.


  • #4474
    Yellow_Fern
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,612 ✭✭✭Yellow_Fern


    The Vinters are calling for regulation of alcohol sales so it is consumed only in supervised environments, while the drugs crowd are calling for the deregulation of hard drugs so they can be consumed in a regulated environment. :confused:


  • #4475
    Parabellum9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 455 ✭✭Parabellum9


    Yellow_Fern wrote: »
    The Vinters are calling for regulation of alcohol sales so it is consumed only in supervised environments, while the drugs crowd are calling for the deregulation of hard drugs so they can be consumed in a regulated environment. :confused:

    The VFI can go **** themselves now, any sympathy I had for them is gone after today’s statement. Sour bitter pricks trying to level things by bull**** means, there is a reason they can’t open in full at the moment. People buying slabs etc is none of their ****ing business and they would do well to get back in their box quickly, people are getting on just fine without pubs and stoking the fires is not a good idea at this point.


  • #4476
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Parabellum9 wrote: »
    The VFI can go **** themselves now, any sympathy I had for them is gone after today’s statement. Sour bitter pricks trying to level things by bull**** means, there is a reason they can’t open in full at the moment. People buying slabs etc is none of their ****ing business and they would do well to get back in their box quickly, people are getting on just fine without pubs and stoking the fires is not a good idea at this point.

    I posted this elsewhere but, about six weeks ago i was in blackrock and fancied a pint, one place had a sign up in the window. Cocktail sausages and chips 9 euro, so it fell within the guidelines, i went in and stood at the bar and got ignored by the barman for about five minutes until i grabbed his attention and ordered and he said "we're closing'. I said, it's only 9pm. He goes "yeah but the kitchen closes at 9".

    This was after weeks of closure. I thought to myself, would you not maybe get the chef to give you a crash course in how to work the microwave and the deep fat fryer? That way you could stay open for a couple more hours.

    I really think some publicans don't have a clue and have zero imagination. Anything beyond pulling pints befuddles them so they get onto the VFI to complain.

    My uncle ran a small rural pub years ago. The price of the pint went up by 5 cent but he didn't raise his prices. I asked him why not, he said, yeah then at the end of the night I'll be counting out all these 1,2 and 5 cent coins. No my time is more precious.

    If they didn't have one already I'd say there are alot of man caves around the country getting retro fitted with beer taps.


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  • #4477
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,478 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    After seeing the Vintners latest statement I never want to darken their doors again. I can't believe these people even have the voice they do, like they're an authority on our lives, only in Ireland...


  • #4478
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,754 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    And that is exactly the response we should be doing. I would have some sympathy for their position if they had ever shown any inkling to care about patrolling their patrons in the past. Too often they allow excessive drinking for profits. Continuing to serve customers clearly had enough or suffering from drinking problems.

    So they are far the safe places them think themselves to be *

    So people should boycott them. This MUP is clearly in their interests, and is being pushed by them and we should always push back against one sector trying to control us and other competitors like this.

    * of course there are examples of individual publications that are focused on safe, but the vintners as a grouping they are not


  • #4479
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    A pub owner sent my aunt a get well soon card when she was dying of liver failure ably assisted by said pub... if you never went in to a pub and saw an old sot in a corner who's clearly had many beyond the one too many; never saw fights outside pubs etc you might be convinced that its somehow a safe regulated environment. But it isn't

    The LVA/VFI (treat them interchangeably, they even merged for a time) have been trying to hamper off-sales since the 50s; even though they themselves joined in with the Next Door and Cheers chains.


  • #4480
    Suckit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,211 ✭✭✭✭Suckit


    "Suuport, not sympathy" - Increase the price and reduce the VAT :rolleyes:

    https://twitter.com/VFIpubs/status/1314898738083762176


  • #4481
    irishproduce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,829 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Parabellum9 wrote: »
    The VFI can go **** themselves now, any sympathy I had for them is gone after today’s statement. Sour bitter pricks trying to level things by bull**** means, there is a reason they can’t open in full at the moment. People buying slabs etc is none of their ****ing business and they would do well to get back in their box quickly, people are getting on just fine without pubs and stoking the fires is not a good idea at this point.

    Agreed.
    Their statement comes across as if they were the rightful distributors of alcohol and that people buying drinks to take home somehow undermines their remit.

    I've news for them. Buying and selling of alcohol is an area they participate in, they don't control or own the process.
    They should be told back off.


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  • #4482
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    It's obvious what VFI/LVA are trying to do, but the politicians who pander to them are worse.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4483
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Some research evidence on the Scottish MUP:

    https://voxeu.org/article/alcohol-price-floors-and-their-effect-heavy-drinking

    Prices

    Overall, up 5% on average, per unit of alcohol

    "This average price increase masks a great deal of variation in the price changes experienced by different products. Figure 2a shows that prior to the reform close to 50% of transactions in Scotland in the year before the reform were below the floor. Figure 2b shows the distribution of prices before and after the introduction of the reform, and the average price change conditional on the product’s price in the year prior to the reform. Some very cheap products experienced price increases in excess of 100%, while products that were previously priced above the floor exhibit very little change in price."

    Quantities down 11%, "with larger falls for more heavily drinking households."


    So far, this seems to support MUP.

    "This makes it relatively well targeted at the alcohol purchases of heavy drinkers, because they disproportionally buy relatively cheap alcohol products."


  • #4484
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Consumption figures alone don't support anything.

    Harm outcomes and transfers to drug use need to be accounted for too

    As do any increase in bulk off sales in Carlisle / Berwick!


  • #4485
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "This makes it relatively well targeted at the alcohol purchases of heavy drinkers, because they disproportionally buy relatively cheap alcohol products."

    That is a huge leap of logic.

    Is there any source for this theory or just presumption?


  • #4486
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    However, they continue:

    How does a price floor compare to an ethanol tax?

    "We use the model to compare the welfare impact of the price floor with that of an ethanol tax that achieves the same aggregate reduction in alcohol as the price floor. When the externality associated with each unit of alcohol consumed is constant, the ethanol tax out-performs the price floor, increasing welfare by more than the price floor. However, when the alcohol consumption of heavy drinkers creates even moderately larger externalities than that of lighter drinkers, the price floor leads to larger welfare gains than the ethanol tax. This is because the price floor is much better targeted at heavy drinkers, and thus leads to a larger reduction in external costs, which more than offsets the fact it leads to losses in tax revenue."

    See my emphasis, the MUP is better so far, as it better targets the heavy drinkers, even though it doesn't bring in tax for State.

    BUT...........

    "However, reforms to the tax system that tax stronger drinks more heavily can achieve similar welfare gains to the price floor. This is because they increase the price of stronger alcohol products by more, which are also consumed disproportionately by heavy drinkers. In Griffith et al. (2020b), we show that a simple two-rate tax system that taxes drinks in proportion to their ethanol content, with a higher rate on strong spirits, is almost as well targeted at heavy drinkers as a price floor, but leads to an increase in tax revenue. Until now, EU regulations have constrained the UK's ability to reform alcohol taxes in this way, but this type of reform may now be possible."


    So a 2-rate or 2-tier excise can achieve the same welfare gains as MUP, and collect taxes for the State.


  • #4487
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/15183

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/15176

    https://www.ifs.org.uk/publications/15184


    Minimum unit pricing works better if implemented alongside reformed alcohol taxes
    Rachel Griffith, Martin O'Connell and Kate Smith
    Press release


    The UK government has put out a call for evidence, seeking views on how well the alcohol duty system currently works and how it could be reformed. In new IFS research – funded by the European Research Council and the Economic and Social Research Council and published today - we show that minimum unit prices for alcohol are reasonably well targeted at heavy drinkers, but come at the cost of hindering competition and reducing tax revenues. A minimum unit price, combined with a more coherent set of taxes on alcohol, would be just as well targeted at heavy drinkers and would limit the fall in revenue for the exchequer.


  • #4488
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Geuze wrote: »
    However, they continue:

    How does a price floor compare to an ethanol tax?

    "We use the model to compare the welfare impact of the price floor with that of an ethanol tax that achieves the same aggregate reduction in alcohol as the price floor. When the externality associated with each unit of alcohol consumed is constant, the ethanol tax out-performs the price floor, increasing welfare by more than the price floor. However, when the alcohol consumption of heavy drinkers creates even moderately larger externalities than that of lighter drinkers, the price floor leads to larger welfare gains than the ethanol tax. This is because the price floor is much better targeted at heavy drinkers, and thus leads to a larger reduction in external costs, which more than offsets the fact it leads to losses in tax revenue."

    See my emphasis, the MUP is better so far, as it better targets the heavy drinkers, even though it doesn't bring in tax for State.

    BUT...........

    "However, reforms to the tax system that tax stronger drinks more heavily can achieve similar welfare gains to the price floor. This is because they increase the price of stronger alcohol products by more, which are also consumed disproportionately by heavy drinkers. In Griffith et al. (2020b), we show that a simple two-rate tax system that taxes drinks in proportion to their ethanol content, with a higher rate on strong spirits, is almost as well targeted at heavy drinkers as a price floor, but leads to an increase in tax revenue. Until now, EU regulations have constrained the UK's ability to reform alcohol taxes in this way, but this type of reform may now be possible."


    So a 2-rate ot 2-tier excise can achieve the same welfare gains as MUP, and collect taxes for the State.

    I got a headache reading that.

    Sounds anti-EU to me. Surprise, surprise.


  • #4489
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I got a headache reading that.

    Sounds anti-EU to me. Surprise, surprise.

    It is an academic article, yes.

    It is not anti-EU.

    It points out that being outside the EU allows for more variation in excise rates.

    They are not supporting Brexit.


  • #4490
    listermint
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,105 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Geuze wrote: »
    It is an academic article, yes.

    It is not anti-EU.

    It points out that being outside the EU allows for more variation in excise rates.

    They are not supporting Brexit.

    Does it ? if so how ?


  • #4491
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Geuze wrote: »
    It points out that being outside the EU allows for more variation in excise rates.

    But countries in the EU set their own tax rates, which is why corporation tax in Ireland is less than Germany. Excise varies significantly across all member states from 0 in some countries to the highest in surprise surprise, Ireland and the UK.


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  • #4492
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    Hold on, don't the UK already have two excise rates on beer?

    Isn't there a higher rate on strong beer already?

    Hmmm.,,,,,


  • #4493
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Yes - they've four rates. We've three.

    They also have two craft discount rates, we've one

    They have discussed extra excise for imports post Brexit though, but they do not need it to add duty to higher ABV products because they already do!


  • #4494
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,492 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    L1011 wrote: »
    Harm outcomes and transfers to drug use need to be accounted for too

    Scotland’s drug-related death toll hits record high
    Scotland’s drug-related death toll has risen to another grim record, as long-delayed [2019] figures published on Tuesday revealed a death rate more than 3½ times that of the UK as a whole and higher than those reported for all EU countries.

    Whether this is linked to MUP or not, drug policy and alcohol policy can't be looked at in isolation from each other.

    This should give MUP advocates some pause, but it won't...

    Scrap the cap!



  • #4495
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,268 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Thread started in 2016 and still no sign of this being introduced. Have COVID and brexit put it on the back burner.


  • #4496
    Geuze
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,729 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    MadYaker wrote: »
    Thread started in 2016 and still no sign of this being introduced. Have COVID and brexit put it on the back burner.


    The legislation has been passed, AFAIK.

    Yes, I suppose Brexit and COVID have affected it.

    I bought 4x Guinness cases of 24 cans 470ml this week, for 66 euro, just in case.


  • #4497
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Scotland’s drug-related death toll hits record high



    Whether this is linked to MUP or not, drug policy and alcohol policy can't be looked at in isolation from each other.

    This should give MUP advocates some pause, but it won't...

    If society wants to help people who want to get off their heads it's first necessary to address why they want to get off their heads.

    That requires a lot of time and a lot of money.

    Ironically MUP puts no extra money in the state coffers.


  • #4498
    Timistry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Timistry


    Was in Dunnes earlier and they have signs up saying that alcohol cannot be purchased after Monday using their vouchers or as part of any other offers/promotions.


  • #4499
    thesandeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,760 ✭✭✭✭thesandeman


    Timistry wrote: »
    Was in Dunnes earlier and they have signs up saying that alcohol cannot be purchased after Monday using their vouchers or as part of any other offers/promotions.

    Got an email from SuperValu saying the same thing.


  • #4500
    Timistry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Timistry


    O Briens loyalty points wont work either


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  • #4501
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Having a nice drink after a hard week working is just going to get more and more expensive.

    They got the pubs shut, near a year now, jobs gone and many will never open again....

    To be honest this is going to absolutely destroy people and socially too big time.....


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