Pro14 Season 2019-2020

Rigor Mortis · 10-01-2020 12:56pm

Eod100 wrote: »

With talk around attendances, this is interesting.. https://twitter.com/EsportifIntel/status/1215250021173616642?s=19

Nice to see the increase, but an average figure for Leinster which does not include our largest game of the season is meaningless. Good to see Beneton picking up and the SA teams

Cookiemunster · 10-01-2020 1:13pm

Rigor Mortis wrote: »

Nice to see the increase, but an average figure for Leinster which does not include our largest game of the season is meaningless. Good to see Beneton picking up and the SA teams

Leinsters average attendance in the RDS is up. That's good news. The Aviva game actually skews the figures as it's 2-3 times the normal attendance.

aloooof · 10-01-2020 1:22pm

It makes sense to be excluded here I think, as it's just Pro14 fixtures, and the Aviva game vs Munster hasn't taken place yet this season.

It would actually skew the results to include it for 2018/19 as you wouldn't be comparing like-with-like.

(At least, that's what it reads like; it's a little ambiguous if it is just Pro14 attendances or attendances for Pro14 teams, say).

Eod100 · 10-01-2020 2:18pm

aloooof wrote: »

It makes sense to be excluded here I think, as it's just Pro14 fixtures, and the Aviva game vs Munster hasn't taken place yet this season.

It would actually skew the results to include it for 2018/19 as you wouldn't be comparing like-with-like.

(At least, that's what it reads like; it's a little ambiguous if it is just Pro14 attendances or attendances for Pro14 teams, say).

Yeah it is a bit unclear but much reading is that they're excluding Champions Cup afaik

Burkie1203 · 25-01-2020 2:40pm

Kings 10-0 cheetahs

9 min in

pickarooney · 25-01-2020 4:57pm

Well that was some finish!

Digifriendly · 25-01-2020 6:59pm

pickarooney wrote: »

Well that was some finish!

Pineaar was the difference.

thomond2006 · 25-01-2020 10:59pm

Assuming Cheetahs get the maximum at home to the Kings that puts them seven points clear of Glasgow. They also end their season with another away game to the Kings. That leaves nine more games and six of those are at home. They should be finishing in the top three but the guaranteed derbies really imbalances things in their favour...

Bogwoppit · 30-01-2020 12:32pm

Looking for some help to see if this is possible.

I’m looking to take some clients out to the Ulster Leinster game at the end of the season, that’s easy enough to do.
As it’s the last game of the regular season it’s likely that it will be a dead rubber and pretty low on the entertainment.
I was thinking I could possibly try work out where the 2 teams would meet in the knockout stages and get them to a more meaningful match.
I can’t find a fixture list for the play offs to attempt to work out the possibilities, am I being optimist about managing to do it?
Thanks

ClanofLams · 30-01-2020 12:35pm

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Looking for some help to see if this is possible.

I’m looking to take some clients out to the Ulster Leinster game at the end of the season, that’s easy enough to do.
As it’s the last game of the regular season it’s likely that it will be a dead rubber and pretty low on the entertainment.
I was thinking I could possibly try work out where the 2 teams would meet in the knockout stages and get them to a more meaningful match.
I can’t find a fixture list for the play offs to attempt to work out the possibilities, am I being optimist about managing to do it?
Thanks

Assuming they come first and second they won’t meet until the final in Cardiff.

daddy pig · 30-01-2020 12:41pm

Bogwoppit wrote: »

Looking for some help to see if this is possible.

I’m looking to take some clients out to the Ulster Leinster game at the end of the season, that’s easy enough to do.
As it’s the last game of the regular season it’s likely that it will be a dead rubber and pretty low on the entertainment.
I was thinking I could possibly try work out where the 2 teams would meet in the knockout stages and get them to a more meaningful match.
I can’t find a fixture list for the play offs to attempt to work out the possibilities, am I being optimist about managing to do it?
Thanks

Leinster pretty much nailed on to top the group so a home Semi Final.
If Ulster come 2nd in the group they can only meet Leinster in Final which is in Wales.
If Ulster come 3rd they could meet Leinster in the Semi Final in the RDS but they would have to beat the 2nd team in Conference B in an away fixture.

Bogwoppit · 30-01-2020 12:42pm

Thanks for the help guys, that answers that question.

Exclamation Marc · 03-02-2020 3:18pm

Kings walloped by Cheetahs 45-0 this weekend with a points difference now down to - 200.

Hard to see how long the Pro14 will retain the South African teams long term. Whilst the Cheetahs do OK, the Kings are just brutal and have only chalked up 40 points in 2.5 seasons.

thomond2006 · 03-02-2020 3:23pm

The Cheetahs get 15 points a year from playing the Kings. It's imbalanced.

Exclamation Marc · 03-02-2020 3:45pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Cheetahs get 15 points a year from playing the Kings. It's imbalanced.

I never considered that at all, it's a great point.

I know that the SA teams hold blind hope of ECPR entry in the long term but being so poor year in, year out guarantees that any remote hope of that is extinguished. I vaguely remember reading that they were locked in til 2023 but it's hard to see them being retained.

Richie_Rich89 · 03-02-2020 5:13pm

Didn't Leinster lose 38-19 last time they played the Cheetahs away? And Ulster conceded over 60 last time they faced them in Bloem and Munster lost 40-16.

Not sure how much longer the Irish sides being in the Pro14 is viable.

Zzippy · 03-02-2020 5:17pm

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Didn't Leinster lose 38-19 last time they played the Cheetahs away? And Ulster conceded over 60 last time they faced them in Bloem and Munster lost 40-16.

Not sure how much longer the Irish sides being in the Pro14 is viable.

Connacht beat them away though. So I think what you're saying is.. we should pour all our resources into Connacht and scrap the other provinces? Sounds about right...

The Lost Sheep · 05-02-2020 7:55pm

https://twitter.com/T2Rugby/status/1225088117025189889?s=19

I'm fairly certain he has been one of the Georgian refs who's done a ref AIL games over past few seasons. Great to see more refs at the elite level from a new country

pickarooney · 05-02-2020 10:37pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

The Cheetahs get 15 points a year from playing the Kings. It's imbalanced.

Why 15? They barely scraped past them last week

Burkie1203 · 11-02-2020 12:20pm

https://twitter.com/GlasgowWarriors/status/1227163151822737408?s=19

Thrashssacre · 14-02-2020 5:12pm

I noticed attendance is up on average for both South african clubs this year, a hangover from the world Cup? Or are more people getting on board with the pro 14 and abandoning super rugby?

thomond2006 · 14-02-2020 5:26pm

Thrashssacre wrote: »

I noticed attendance is up on average for both South african clubs this year, a hangover from the world Cup? Or are more people getting on board with the pro 14 and abandoning super rugby?

Totally separate cities from the SR teams so I don't think that has an impact. The RWC is probably a good reason but there were no Cheetahs and Kings in that squad!

The most important thing is to stop the revolving door that has been the case every off-season.

awec · 15-02-2020 1:27am

So then, the Kings. 4 wins in 53 games, 68 points conceded tonight alone.

What is the point in this team? Tin pot club in a tin pot league.

It is time for them to be told to shape up or ship out.

Richie_Rich89 · 15-02-2020 1:36am

awec wrote: »

So then, the Kings. 4 wins in 53 games, 68 points conceded tonight alone.

What is the point in this team? Tin pot club in a tin pot league.

It is time for them to be told to shape up or ship out.

Didn't Ulster concede 60+ in one game this season already? Plus there was that 64-7 result against Munster last season.

thomond2006 · 15-02-2020 1:44am

awec wrote: »

So then, the Kings. 4 wins in 53 games, 68 points conceded tonight alone.

What is the point in this team? Tin pot club in a tin pot league.

It is time for them to be told to shape up or ship out.

Enough is enough at this stage, particularly when you consider they have no internationals and breaks during the season on European weekends. I don't know their injury situation but they shouldn't be shipping 68 points to a Munster lineup who by my count were missing 9 usual starters.

The TV money from SA is significant but the Pro14 need to look for a Super Rugby side to replace the Kings. No player within a shout of a Springbok cap would seem to want to join the Cheetahs, nevermind the Kings.

Dave_The_Sheep · 15-02-2020 1:55am

Richie_Rich89 wrote: »

Didn't Ulster concede 60+ in one game this season already? Plus there was that 64-7 result against Munster last season.

Cheetahs put 63 points on Ulster, in the second game of the season.

That being said, the other results at the Cheetah's home ground are:
48 points on Glasgow in the first game of the season.
40 on Munster two weeks later in the third game of the season.
45 unanswered points against the Kings last week.

That's the sum of their home games this season, if the Pro 14 site is to be believed. They've a thing for racking up points at home against whoever is there.

razorblunt · 15-02-2020 5:44pm

This Scarlets and Edinburgh game is woeful. Both teams throwing away opportunities to win it

TheAnalyst_ · 15-02-2020 5:51pm

Three empty stands at it. The national sport of wales.

Digifriendly · 15-02-2020 9:01pm

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Three empty stands at it. The national sport of wales.

Poor attendance at Ospreys vs Ulster too. Bad weather will have played some part but still symptomatic of present state of regional rugby in Wales despite Ospreys win.

Eod100 · 16-02-2020 8:38pm

Same number of points between 1st and 2nd in conference A as between 1st and 6th in B. Mad!

Neil3030 · 16-02-2020 8:43pm

Eod100 wrote: »

Same number of pints between 1st and 2nd in conference A as between 1st and 6th in B. Mad!

Conference A is the beer conference

Eod100 · 16-02-2020 8:51pm

Neil3030 wrote: »

Conference A is the beer conference

Points even. D'oh!

windy shepard henderson · 16-02-2020 10:17pm

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Three empty stands at it. The national sport of wales.

yep. never understood it its going on for years now , it really only seems to be ireland and the premiership in england that really embrace league games ,

i think the concept of the pro 14 league is excellent but somthing needs to change before another team goes broke especially in wales or scotland

The Lost Sheep · 16-02-2020 10:38pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

yep. never understood it its going on for years now, it really only seems to be ireland and the premiership in england that really embrace league games

i think the concept of the pro 14 league is excellent but somthing needs to change before another team goes broke especially in wales or scotland

because many Welsh dont like the league/regions and prefer to attend/support their clubs ahead of pro rugby.
What should change iin the pro14 in your opinion then?

windy shepard henderson · 16-02-2020 10:45pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

because many Welsh dont like the league/regions and prefer to attend/support their clubs ahead of pro rugby.
What should change iin the pro14 in your opinion then?

i dont know , but watching the osprays in an empty liberty stadium or a proud club like llanelli play in front of 1500 people is not working ,

the Italian clubs are out doing the Scottish clubs also with attendances

The Lost Sheep · 16-02-2020 10:55pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

i dont know, but watching the osprays in an empty liberty stadium or a proud club like llanelli play in front of 1500 people is not working

the Italian clubs are out doing the Scottish clubs also with attendances

well there isnt much that is going to change that will make things better. They will not be joining the English league which they have deluded dreams thinking that will being back crowds and use that as excuses

pickarooney · 16-02-2020 10:58pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

because many Welsh dont like the league/regions and prefer to attend/support their clubs ahead of pro rugby.
What should change iin the pro14 in your opinion then?

What are attendances like at amateur games in Wales?

The Lost Sheep · 16-02-2020 11:07pm

pickarooney wrote: »

What are attendances like at amateur games in Wales?

isnt really any records of it tbh

South Wales a small spot and all regions fighting from same pool for crowds and everything else. We lucked out in Ireland wih 4 easily recognised and historical areas to use for our pro rugby teams. Welsh rugby didnt have that and all sides are right on top of each so no surprise they struggle in general

Squidgy Black · 16-02-2020 11:22pm

The Welsh system would've been similar to the AIL just before professionalism and into the early 2000s in terms of support, they would've had fairly decent crowds and a loyal following.

Unlike the Provinces though, people didn't buy into the regions at all, which is partly due to the fact they didn't have geographical or historic ties to the regions, as well as the fact the clubs could never really agree on what they wanted. They originally wanted to agree to mergers of clubs, but then the likes of Llanneli took legal action saying they wanted to stand alone, which created a 5th region and f*cked things up royally (which is part of why the WRU are trying to get it down to 4 teams again). And only 6 out of the 9 agreed to the plan that was proposed but it went ahead anyways.

Zzippy · 16-02-2020 11:32pm

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

because many Welsh dont like the league/regions and prefer to attend/support their clubs ahead of pro rugby

Except they don't support those either. Club rugby in Wales is dying a death. This narrative of the Welsh being great rugby fans is a load of tosh. They have a big bandwagon support for test matches and almost zero interest below that.

Cookiemunster · 16-02-2020 11:53pm

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

the Italian clubs are out doing the Scottish clubs also with attendances

Now that's just horsesh1t. At quick look at the Pro14 website shows that there were 6700 at Glasgow on Friday night for Zebre, which is their lowest crowd of the season. Edinburgh got 27000 at their Christmas derby and are averaging around 5000 in their other games.

Trevisos largest attendance this season was 5000. Zebres was 4000. And those were the Christmas derby matches against each other. They're both averaging well below those figures.

https://www.pro14rugby.org/match-centre/fixtures/

windy shepard henderson · 16-02-2020 11:55pm

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Now that's just horsesh1t. At quick look at the Pro14 website shows that there were 6700 at Glasgow on Friday night for Zebre, which is their lowest crowd of the season. Edinburgh got 27000 at their Christmas derby and are averaging around 5000 in their other games.

Trevisos largest attendance this season was 5000. Zebres was 4000. And those were the Christmas derby matches against each other. They're both averaging well below those figures.

edinburgh at murryfield looks fair packed :rolleyes:, its never more then 2 or 3000 on average

TheAnalyst_ · 17-02-2020 12:00am

Scottish clubs have come on a lot in ten years whilst the welsh have gone backwards. They will pull the league down some day soon.

windy shepard henderson · 17-02-2020 12:02am

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Scottish clubs have come on a lot in ten years whilst the welsh have gone backwards. They will pull the league down some day soon.

thats exactly my fear , its an excellent concept

Cookiemunster · 17-02-2020 12:03am

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

edinburgh at murryfield looks fair packed :rolleyes:, its never more then 2 or 3000 on average

Murrayfield is a 67000 capacity stadium. Of course it's going to look empty with 4-5000 people in it. But if you want to ignore the official attendance figures, that's your prerogative. It doesn't make you right though.

The Lost Sheep · 17-02-2020 12:18am

Squidgy Black wrote: »

The Welsh system would've been similar to the AIL just before professionalism and into the early 2000s in terms of support, they would've had fairly decent crowds and a loyal following.

Unlike the Provinces though, people didn't buy into the regions at all, which is partly due to the fact they didn't have geographical or historic ties to the regions, as well as the fact the clubs could never really agree on what they wanted. They originally wanted to agree to mergers of clubs, but then the likes of Llanneli took legal action saying they wanted to stand alone, which created a 5th region and f*cked things up royally (which is part of why the WRU are trying to get it down to 4 teams again). And only 6 out of the 9 agreed to the plan that was proposed but it went ahead anyways.

but more than AIL teams to be fair. Bit stronger than that. You are correct in a lot of what you say but Welsh have been down at 4 regions for years. Ever since the first or second year of regional rugby in fact.

Zzippy wrote: »

Except they don't support those either. Club rugby in Wales is dying a death. This narrative of the Welsh being great rugby fans is a load of tosh. They have a big bandwagon support for test matches and almost zero interest below that.

they do support it. Wouldnt say its dying a death. Think calling international support bandwagon isnt really the truth. Hate phrase bandwagon as it's some fans trying to make themselves appear superior to others. It's far from zero support below international.

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

edinburgh at murryfield looks fair packed :rolleyes:, its never more then 2 or 3000 on average

of course it's going to look empty in a 67000 capacity stadium that they use for cost reasons only. They hope to have alstands ready in next season or so on one of the back pitches that will allow creation of better atmosphere etc

aloooof · 17-02-2020 10:25am

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

the Italian clubs are out doing the Scottish clubs also with attendances

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

edinburgh at murryfield looks fair packed :rolleyes:, its never more then 2 or 3000 on average

thomond2006 · 17-02-2020 10:49am

Cardiff look out of contention in Conference B. Their run-in is too difficult. It's going to be quite a scrap between Edinburgh, Munster, Scarlets and Connacht.

Ulster's loss at Ospreys gives Cheetahs some hope of finishing second. Cheetahs have six remaining home games and two of their away games are at Dragons and Kings. Ulster host Cheetahs this weekend and a win is vital. Glasgow are up against it as their run-in is tricky.

thomond2006 · 17-02-2020 11:23am

Round 12:

Edinburgh vs Connacht
Ospreys vs Leinster
Zebre vs Munster

Glasgow vs Dragons
Ulster vs Cheetahs

Cardiff vs Benetton
Scarlets vs Kings

razorblunt · 17-02-2020 11:42am

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Now that's just horsesh1t. At quick look at the Pro14 website shows that there were 6700 at Glasgow on Friday night for Zebre, which is their lowest crowd of the season. Edinburgh got 27000 at their Christmas derby and are averaging around 5000 in their other games.

Trevisos largest attendance this season was 5000. Zebres was 4000. And those were the Christmas derby matches against each other. They're both averaging well below those figures.

https://www.pro14rugby.org/match-centre/fixtures/

there's absolutely no way Edinburgh get 5k or anywhere near that.
2-3 tops even when the Irish teams are playing.

They work off of tickets issued not "through the turnstile" I'd say.

Pro14 Season 2019-2020

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