Ireland's asylum hotel monthly bill tops €3.54m

CinemaGuy45 · 11-08-2019 4:33pm #1

Nice money spinner for those in the asylum industry.
At a time with a large scale homeless crisis for the Irish.:mad:

Story behind a paywall for anybody who wants to pay for that rag.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/ireland-s-asylum-hotel-monthly-bill-tops-3-54m-wb8r9f8bj

biko · 11-08-2019 5:49pm

Do-gooders don't give a **** about Irish homeless, there is just no money in it for them.
You must have political will to house and feed the homeless, but there is none.
There is however, plenty of political will to house and feed people that have never set foot in this country before.

punisher5112 · 11-08-2019 5:52pm

We are been scammed so bad it's actually too late to do anything about it.

MrFresh · 11-08-2019 5:58pm

It's amazing that not a single improvement of note has been made in the direct provision system in so long.

Harika · 11-08-2019 6:00pm

biko wrote: »

Do-gooders don't give a **** about Irish homeless, there is just no money in it for them.
You must have political will to house and feed the homeless, but there is none.
There is however, plenty of political will to house and feed people that have never set foot in this country before.

Do you give a *** about Irish homeless people and if yes what do you in this regard?

Portsalon · 11-08-2019 6:02pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Nice money spinner for those in the asylum industry. At a time with a large scale homeless crisis for the Irish.:mad:

Story behind a paywall for anybody who wants to pay for that rag.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/ireland-s-asylum-hotel-monthly-bill-tops-3-54m-wb8r9f8bj

The story explains that the State has to put asylum seekers (or claimed asylum seekers) into hotels because:

(a) they can't find locations for asylum hostels and two recent attempts to impose them on rural communities were stymied by arson attacks;

and

(b) former asylum seekers who have been granted the right to reside here won't leave Mosney because they can't find alternative accommodation. So 30% of the beds there are occupied by people who shouldn't be there.

This is an issue that isn't going to go away and can only get worse, yet the government is scared of debating it in public until it finally dawns on them that we have zero chance of getting that UN Security Council seat that Leo and Simon crave so badly.

11-08-2019 6:09pm

We want the best for these people, so we must entrust their care to the private sector and its legendary, eh, efficiencies. Quality, eh, accommodation by, eh, conscientious business people costs money.

biko · 11-08-2019 6:18pm

Harika wrote: »

Do you give a *** about Irish homeless people and if yes what do you in this regard?

Since you're making this personal.

I am a regular contributor to COPE Galway and other local organisations.
What have you contributed to your local community lately?

nthclare · 11-08-2019 6:24pm

I'd say Marcus White the lovely doo gooder in Lisdoonvarna is very charitable too, another numpty as far as I'm concerned.
He must be rolling in it too, all for the good of the people...

Didn't that knob close his hotel to the LGBT community for their annual get together in Lisdoonvarna, so they ended up in a grotty place out the Doolin road...

Looks like the Inn At Dromoland will profit from his disaster.....

nthclare · 11-08-2019 6:24pm

biko wrote: »

Harika wrote: »

Do you give a *** about Irish homeless people and if yes what do you in this regard?

Since you're making this personal.

I am a regular contributor to COPE Galway and other local organisations.
What have you contributed to your local community lately?

Whoopi doo

antix80 · 11-08-2019 6:28pm

MrFresh wrote: »

It's amazing that not a single improvement of note has been made in the direct provision system in so long.

The only improvements would be to make it less comfortable so the phony asylum seekers make the decision to return to their home countries/country they entered Ireland from/first point of entry.

MrFresh · 11-08-2019 6:40pm

antix80 wrote: »

The only improvements would be to make it less comfortable so the phony asylum seekers make the decision to return to their home countries/country they entered Ireland from/first point of entry.

Or, you know, just speed up the process.

antix80 · 11-08-2019 6:49pm

MrFresh wrote: »

Or, you know, just speed up the process.

Yup, in which case you'd have to reject undocumented immigrants and any with improveable stories. Our current system rewards dishonesty so unless you make the process longer and uncomfortable to deter phony asylum seekers, you need to up the risk that their claim will be denied

Blueshoe · 11-08-2019 7:04pm

There is one in a rural town close to my home house with 18 people. The hotel owner is actually a scumbag who was the type to be posting anti migrant messages on twitter and Facebook.

I say "was" because now that he is being paid a small fortune he has morphed into Bono or some other similar type fruitcake.

Money talks

Beechwoodspark · 11-08-2019 7:05pm

Utter utter madness

SEPT 23 1989 · 11-08-2019 7:10pm

Are you sure those figures are right?

Seems a bit cheap

This is Ireland after all

magma69 · 11-08-2019 7:17pm

The "what about our own homeless" crowd generally don't give a monkey's about our homeless and do **** all to help the homeless. It's about bashing asylum seekers.

Just like those that who claim to care about equality for lgbt and women when criticising Muslim countries but that mentality disappears when it comes to supporting women's and lgbt rights in the West.

This forum is just endless thinly veiled threads about the same few topics.

Beechwoodspark · 11-08-2019 7:18pm

Think of what we could do with 3.5 million every damn month !!!

Danzy · 11-08-2019 7:19pm

Neoliberalism in all its glory.

Blueshoe · 11-08-2019 7:23pm

magma69 wrote: »

The "what about our own homeless" crowd generally don't give a monkey's about our homeless and do **** all to help the homeless. It's about bashing asylum seekers.

Just like those that who claim to care about equality for lgbt and women when criticising Muslim countries but that mentality disappears when it comes to supporting women's and lgbt rights in the West.

This forum is just endless thinly veiled threads about the same few topics.

But of course. People don't understand why bus loads of refugees are turning up in their villages unannounced. And they don't have anywhere to turn to ask questions without being labelled.
Heading up to get the paper on a Sunday morning to see 40 Africans walking around their little isolated village.
A real wtf moment wouldn't you say?

And at a cost of 3 million a month in part paid for by the people in the little village.
But they can't ask why. It's a very strange situation.

is_that_so · 11-08-2019 7:25pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Think of what we could do with 3.5 million every damn month !!!

Waste it on the HSE?

Atlantic Dawn · 11-08-2019 7:25pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Think of what we could do with 3.5 million every damn month !!!

It could pay the cost of RTE Orchestras for 3 months

Gatling · 11-08-2019 7:27pm

It's costs between 250- 500 million per annum to house asylum seekers here ,
And that's before medical and educational supports and then there's the free legal aid bill too

ashes2014 · 11-08-2019 7:27pm

Thats a huge amount of money.

Reading that you kind of feel like you are being stung again and again.

is_that_so · 11-08-2019 7:28pm

Gatling wrote: »

It's costs between 250- 500 million per annum to house asylum seekers here ,
And that's before medical and educational supports and then there's the free legal aid bill too

A link to a credible source would be nice.

Stephen15 · 11-08-2019 7:28pm

Local must be consulted about these. The reason the government don't consult is because they know people will object and rightfully so. People have to know that they are going to be safe in their area. I bet they are all Syrians who happen to come from parts of Syria like Karachi, Kabul, Lagos and Johannesburg.

Dude89 · 11-08-2019 7:32pm

antix80 wrote: »

Yup, in which case you'd have to reject undocumented immigrants and any with improveable stories. Our current system rewards dishonesty so unless you make the process longer and uncomfortable to deter phony asylum seekers, you need to up the risk that their claim will be denied

The majority get to stay regardless of their story a miniscule amount get deported after numerous appeals and exhausting every legal avenue "Leave To Remain Visa" who's paying for it all?

Beechwoodspark · 11-08-2019 7:35pm

Sounds like joe and Josephine soap are footing the bill for all this??

punisher5112 · 11-08-2019 7:43pm

Another huge issue is they go out and have children with Irish so as to get a foot in....

Many are fake asylum seekers and should be returned straight away and the airline or shipping company foot the bill ...

You would find the doors would shut quite quickly.

Gatling · 11-08-2019 7:51pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Another huge issue is they go out and have children with Irish so as to get a foot in....

Many are fake asylum seekers and should be returned straight away and the airline or shipping company foot the bill ...

You would find the doors would shut quite quickly.

Unfortunately we would have people here demanding we let them in and keep footing the bills for economic migrants

ChikiChiki · 11-08-2019 7:54pm

Someone with political connections in the right places is making a lot of money off them hotels. You can be sure of it!

Berserker · 11-08-2019 7:57pm

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

At a time with a large scale homeless crisis for the Irish.

Is there a large scale homeless crisis for Irish people?

biko wrote: »

Do-gooders don't give a **** about Irish homeless, there is just no money in it for them. You must have political will to house and feed the homeless, but there is none. There is however, plenty of political will to house and feed people that have never set foot in this country before.

My television, radio etc content must be different than yours because homelessness is mentioned again and again by people from all corners of the political classes.

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Think of what we could do with 3.5 million every damn month !!!

We could make a tiny dent in the health or social welfare budget deficits. Most people wouldn't even notice the savings because it'd be so small.

Atlantic Dawn · 11-08-2019 7:59pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Someone with political connections in the right places is making a lot of money off them hotels. You can be sure of it!

Mosney Irish Holidays PLC is ultimately owned by an Isle of Man company called Sonning Unlimited, makes a big change from chair-o-planes and bumper cars...

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/asylum-industry-companies-behind-the-direct-provision-system-1.2030500

statesaver · 11-08-2019 8:02pm

All on the taxpayers dime. We really are a soft touch.

No debate on value for money here.

Blueshoe · 11-08-2019 8:08pm

statesaver wrote: »

All on the taxpayers dime. We really are a soft touch.

No debate on value for money here.

Some people just aren't getting it that we don't have a choice. Government included. This is a stipulation of being part of the EU. Turkey are being paid billions by the EU to hold migrants from reaching Europe. The camps in Malta and Greece are overflowing.

Basically you ain't seen nothing yet.

ChikiChiki · 11-08-2019 8:08pm

statesaver wrote: »

All on the taxpayers dime. We really are a soft touch.

No debate on value for money here.

Its about time an exercise to scrutinise and map every single cent of taxpayer money is carried out. The Governement seem to just spend so carelessly. An endless pit of money to them.

Sharp MZ700 · 11-08-2019 8:11pm

punisher5112 wrote: »

Another huge issue is they go out and have children with Irish so as to get a foot in....

Many are fake asylum seekers and should be returned straight away and the airline or shipping company foot the bill ...

You would find the doors would shut quite quickly.

Hadn't thought of that before. Great idea.

Harika · 11-08-2019 8:14pm

biko wrote: »

Since you're making this personal.

I am a regular contributor to COPE Galway and other local organisations.
What have you contributed to your local community lately?

Great that you ask. Simon Community here in Cork, next to DAWG and so on.

Anyway the point in my experience is that when it is not the asylum seekers it would be some other group without representation that the thread would be about. Before this whole immigration scare, it were the Irish homeless itself whose fault it was, as they couldn't get their finger out of the hole to get a job and a home.
Instead of blaming this small group of people, maybe ask if there are bigger players here in Ireland or Europe who could be held accountable or who are to connect that those people had to flee their country and get the money from them?

Atlantic Dawn · 11-08-2019 8:17pm

Harika wrote: »

Instead of blaming this small group of people, maybe ask if there are bigger players here in Ireland or Europe who could be held accountable or who are to connect that those people had to flee their country and get the money from them?

But these are generally not people who have arrived from a direct flight or boat trip from their country of 'non liking', they have selectively arrived here like someone choosing Tommy Hilfiger over Penneys.

Harika · 11-08-2019 8:27pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

But these are generally not people who have arrived from a direct flight or boat trip from their country of 'non liking', they have selectively arrived here like someone choosing Tommy Hilfiger over Penneys.

So? The Dublin Regulation for asylum seekers is not working, everyone knows that.

riffmongous · 11-08-2019 8:30pm

biko wrote: »

Do-gooders don't give a **** about Irish homeless, there is just no money in it for them.
You must have political will to house and feed the homeless, but there is none.
There is however, plenty of political will to house and feed people that have never set foot in this country before.

Bull****, pure bull****.

Danzy · 11-08-2019 8:32pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Some people just aren't getting it that we don't have a choice. Government included. This is a stipulation of being part of the EU. Turkey are being paid billions by the EU to hold migrants from reaching Europe. The camps in Malta and Greece are overflowing.

Basically you ain't seen nothing yet.

Politically you can see a working class rebellion across Europe building.

Salvini,Organ,Le Pen, in Austria etc etc.

That will grow as the crisis grows.

Harika · 11-08-2019 8:55pm

Danzy wrote: »

Politically you can see a working class rebellion across Europe building.

Salvini,Organ,Le Pen, in Austria etc etc.

That will grow as the crisis grows.

Working class falls into the trap and gets played as shown in Austria, Hungary and Italy
The crisis is over since years, still those people tell you to be afraid and only they can protect you. *winkwinksmiley

Berserker · 11-08-2019 8:59pm

Harika wrote: »

Working class falls into the trap and gets played as shown in Austria, Hungary and Italy
The crisis is over since years, still those people tell you to be afraid and only they can protect you. *winkwinksmiley

What crisis is over?

sabat · 11-08-2019 9:01pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Someone with political connections in the right places is making a lot of money off them hotels. You can be sure of it!

This is separate from places that have been turned into "reception centres" ie it's just hotels conducting their usual business of selling rooms night by night, not the direct provision system. Pointing the finger at them for making money is a bit like accusing the local tesco of profiteering by selling food to asylum seekers-it's not as if there are hoteliers trawling the Mediterranean for guests or making deals with foreign politicians.
What's really happening is that hotels have been co-opted into an already-collapsed state system to help continue the multicultural, open-border delusion that we as a society have infinite resources to hand out. The real fun begins when the money to fund the delusion runs out.

Blueshoe · 11-08-2019 9:03pm

sabat wrote: »

This is separate from places that have been turned into "reception centres" ie it's just hotels conducting their usual business of selling rooms night by night, not the direct provision system. Pointing the finger at them for making money is a bit like accusing the local tesco of profiteering by selling food to asylum seekers-it's not as if there are hoteliers trawling the Mediterranean for guests or making deals with foreign politicians.
What's really happening is that hotels have been co-opted into an already-collapsed state system to help continue the multicultural, open-border delusion that we as a society have infinite resources to hand out. The real fun begins when the money to fund the delusion runs out.

900 euro per head per week.

Thelonious Monk · 11-08-2019 9:09pm

The reality is it's a drop in the ocean of all the comings and goings of money that the state processes. I wouldn't let it bother you. Just be thankful you live in a rich country and have the opportunities that you have, and don't have to leave your home and everything you know to go and live in f*cking Mosney for 4 years so you can eventually get a job sitting in a jacks giving aerosol to drunks.
If you think you have it bad, it isn't because of these people. The inequality on this Earth is absolutely shocking, thank the lucky stars you were born here and carry on living your life, these people and whatever they cost wont make any difference to your life.

Blueshoe · 11-08-2019 9:12pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The reality is it's a drop in the ocean of all the comings and goings of money that the state processes. I wouldn't let it bother you. Just be thankful you live in a rich country and have the opportunities that you have, and don't have to leave your home and everything you know to go and live in f*cking Mosney for 4 years so you can eventually get a job sitting in a jacks giving aerosol to drunks.
If you think you have it bad, it isn't because of these people. The inequality on this Earth is absolutely shocking, thank the lucky stars you were born here and carry on living your life, these people and whatever they cost wont make any difference to your life.

If they hold tight for long enough they will obviously be given a house just like our non contributing dole friends. It's easy street then.

Nearly Monday again. Back to work to keep this welfare state going.
What was it that Leo said about those early risers.
Mugs

punisher5112 · 11-08-2019 9:12pm

The thing I really don't understand is the navy picking up people in boats when they are still quite near the shore where they came from then bringing them 100s of kilometres away and housing them???

I can see real issues coming such as strain on more housing and health where we will be left behind.

Thelonious Monk · 11-08-2019 9:13pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

I lived at home for much longer than I should have to try and save for a deposit. Didn't work out and now I'm paying through the nose for rent. Some of my neibours don't work and have their houses handed to them.

Great country alright.

And you think that's the fault of people claiming refugee status?
I also had to move home to my loving kind parents for a couple of years in my mid 30s to save for a deposit. The horror.

Atlantic Dawn · 11-08-2019 9:13pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

The reality is it's a drop in the ocean of all the comings and goings of money that the state processes. I wouldn't let it bother you. Just be thankful you live in a rich country and have the opportunities that you have, and don't have to leave your home and everything you know to go and live in f*cking Mosney for 4 years so you can eventually get a job sitting in a jacks giving aerosol to drunks.
If you think you have it bad, it isn't because of these people. The inequality on this Earth is absolutely shocking, thank the lucky stars you were born here and carry on living your life, these people and whatever they cost wont make any difference to your life.

We are not a rich country, public debt is €42,500 per person, one of the highest on the face of the earth.

https://www.thejournal.ie/ireands-public-debt-4757804-Aug2019/

Ireland's asylum hotel monthly bill tops €3.54m

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