367 Days

RivetingRoger · 14-03-2020 8:54am #1

To the greatest week in Sport....Cheltenham 2021
Cant wait

Hup the Percy!

Daraa · 14-03-2020 9:39am

Santini Gold Cup
Goshen Champion Hurdle

367 blissful days of silly arguments!

IAMAMORON · 14-03-2020 11:54am

They should send Goshen out over the flat, he could dominate the Cup Handicaps all summer. Could even be a group horse.

His only future in National Hunt will be over fences, he might respect them more. Hurdling is out, too dodgy.

madmoose · 14-03-2020 12:40pm

Already had a bet on Monksfish to win any race at 12/1

RivetingRoger · 14-03-2020 12:46pm

madmoose wrote: »

Already had a bet on Monksfish to win any race at 12/1

Raging at myself for not backing him after listening to Danny Mullins on FFP

BoldReason · 14-03-2020 5:22pm

Shiskin will win the Arkle by a fence!! :pac:

HarshOstrich · 14-03-2020 10:32pm

BoldReason wrote: »

Shiskin will win the Arkle by a fence!! :pac:

He didn't travel great the last day,could be taken out of comfort zone unless hes a serious jumper.
Captain Guinness is one im looking forward to seeing

The real mccoy 91 · 14-03-2020 11:48pm

Any opinions on defi for the Ryanair 20/1? Like the look of it myself he wont be going over 2 miles again and not sure he will be good enough for a gold cup

Slattsy · 15-03-2020 3:01pm

The real mccoy 91 wrote: »

Any opinions on defi for the Ryanair 20/1? Like the look of it myself he wont be going over 2 miles again and not sure he will be good enough for a gold cup

Probably a fair shout.

longshotvalue · 15-03-2020 3:14pm

The real mccoy 91 wrote: »

Any opinions on defi for the Ryanair 20/1? Like the look of it myself he wont be going over 2 miles again and not sure he will be good enough for a gold cup

It’s not out of the question he just isn’t that great . The tingle creek win probably is about as good as he is. ( still very good just not great) The ascot race fell apart with poor pace etc.

It also seems like lost in translation is near top class but not a superstar . His overall form seems to have a questionable look about it.

At the moment would you really fancy him v min. All that said if he is 20/1 by the time nrnb comes I’ll be on .

JR Harvey · 15-03-2020 3:29pm

aidankkk wrote: »

It’s not out of the question he just isn’t that great . The tingle creek win probably is about as good as he is. ( still very good just not great) The ascot race fell apart with poor pace etc.

It also seems like lost in translation is near top class but not a superstar . His overall form seems to have a questionable look about it.

At the moment would you really fancy him v min. All that said if he is 20/1 by the time nrnb comes I’ll be on .

Considering all the Tizzard horses ran like drains in Cheltenham and Christmas In April cut out yesterday like a sniper shot him half way through the Uttoxeter national it was a savage run from Lost In Translation. He will have his big days yet, a lovely stamp of a chaser

IAMAMORON · 15-03-2020 3:41pm

JR Harvey wrote: »

Considering all the Tizzard horses ran like drains in Cheltenham and Christmas In April cut out yesterday like a sniper shot him half way through the Uttoxeter national it was a savage run from Lost In Translation. He will have his big days yet, a lovely stamp of a chaser

Agreed. The same argument can also be said for Philip Hobbs's horses.

Given that his stable underperformed I would expect big runs in the future from both Thyme Hill ( also unlucky in running) and Pileon. Both look like horses to follow.

Defi De Seuil's run was too bad to be true. None of his handicappers performed, even Dostal Phil yesterday.

Alternatively he might just be waiting for Aintree before pulling the trigger on his handicappers, it happens.

longshotvalue · 15-03-2020 5:00pm

JR Harvey wrote: »

Considering all the Tizzard horses ran like drains in Cheltenham and Christmas In April cut out yesterday like a sniper shot him half way through the Uttoxeter national it was a savage run from Lost In Translation. He will have his big days yet, a lovely stamp of a chaser

That’s true I was only talking about lost in relation to Devi’s overall form .

Sultan of Bling · 15-03-2020 5:54pm

IAMAMORON wrote:

They should send Goshen out over the flat, he could dominate the Cup Handicaps all summer. Could even be a group horse.

IAMAMORON wrote:

His only future in National Hunt will be over fences, he might respect them more. Hurdling is out, too dodgy.

The second horse in the truimph aspire tower didn't like the hurdles but had lots of speed also.

PillarToPost · 15-03-2020 6:34pm

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

The second horse in the truimph aspire tower didn't like the hurdles but had lots of speed also.

Thankfully ye have nothing to do with the horse , he jumped fine other then the last and will be back next year to take the champion hurdle

Sultan of Bling · 15-03-2020 6:58pm

PillarToPost wrote:

Thankfully ye have nothing to do with the horse , he jumped fine other then the last and will be back next year to take the champion hurdle

Just my opinion, but i thought he jumped poorly. On a number of hurdles he seemed to lose a length on the horses alongside.

No doubting his class though and if he can get that fleuncy over the hurdles he will be one to watch next year.

IAMAMORON · 15-03-2020 7:39pm

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

The second horse in the truimph aspire tower didn't like the hurdles but had lots of speed also.

PillarToPost wrote: »

Thankfully ye have nothing to do with the horse , he jumped fine other then the last and will be back next year to take the champion hurdle

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

Just my opinion, but i thought he jumped poorly. On a number of hurdles he seemed to lose a length on the horses alongside.

No doubting his class though and if he can get that fleuncy over the hurdles he will be one to watch next year.

His flat rating of 82 is very exploitable. He needs to go up about 14lbs to get in the Chester Cup, I reckon easy peasy. The lower he gets in the better.

He can't jump, why bother? He could be group horse.

PillarToPost · 15-03-2020 9:54pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

His flat rating of 82 is very exploitable. He needs to go up about 14lbs to get in the Chester Cup, I reckon easy peasy. The lower he gets in the better.

He can't jump, why bother? He could be group horse.

The horse didn't fall in fact Jamie would have stayed on if the horses shoes didn't lock, nobody particularly cares about staying handicaps, he'll be back for the champion hurdle next year and rightly so

irish_major · 16-03-2020 9:53am

Unpopular opinion but i'm not certain what he had left in the tank. Would love to have seen what he would have done after jumping the last. I'm certain he was going to win but I don't think he was going to be as impressive as people thought

RivetingRoger · 12-08-2020 9:05am

216 DAYS
4 HOURS
25 MINS

TO THE GREATEST WEEK IN SPORT!

HUP!!!!

(Sorry, not sorry!!)

Slattsy · 12-08-2020 9:07am

Behind closed doors?

RivetingRoger · 12-08-2020 9:24am

Slattsy wrote: »

Behind closed doors?

Who know's Sluttsy
could well be
If it is, it is, so long as it goes ahead!!

Slattsy · 12-08-2020 10:22am

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Who know's Sluttsy
could well be
If it is, it is, so long as it goes ahead!!

Yes. Pints and ante post winners!

RivetingRoger · 29-09-2020 6:42pm

167 Days, 18 hours, 48 hours and 10 seconds to THE BEST WEEK OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Abacadabras Day on day 1 !

Earendil · 29-09-2020 7:17pm

RivetingRoger wrote: »

167 Days, 18 hours, 48 hours and 10 seconds to THE BEST WEEK OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Abacadabras Day on day 1 !

Will be sh!te next year. Poxy virus.

IAMAMORON · 29-09-2020 7:18pm

Al Boum for the Treble.

I can't see anything beating it.

RivetingRoger · 29-09-2020 7:40pm

Horses who COULD beat Al Boum, not will, but COULD

1. Santini - finished like a train last year, clear round and a huge player
2. TOTG - Unexposed at this level but hints at potential star power
3. Champ - People will scoff, and I won't back it, but, he has all the attributes, if, like Santini, he gets around. He is a sure stayer and that's huge
4. Samcro - We will know fairly early in the season what the plan is and how he is shaping, still could be anything
5. Percy - Don't laugh! New yard, new training, proper campaign, his RSA still incredible formline into ABP
6. Minella Indo - Likely to go here and presuming with Rachael on board has all the ability (Monalee could be the fly in this ointment after a strong run this year)
Finally, for one at a huge price, if the rain comes, Native River still has the class and the dourness to be in the picture.

ABP an obvious and correct fav, and of the above if I had to pick 3 to really take him on with I would pick, in order
1. Minella Indo
2.TOTG
3. Santini

IAMAMORON · 29-09-2020 8:02pm

Horses who COULD beat Al Boum, not will, but COULD

1. Santini - finished like a train last year, clear round and a huge player
Missed his chance, March is a long time away, he still just may not be good enough. 7/1 is an appalling AP.
2. TOTG - Unexposed at this level but hints at potential star power
They rarely come back after niggles unfortunately.
3. Champ - People will scoff, and I won't back it, but, he has all the attributes, if, like Santini, he gets around. He is a sure stayer and that's huge
Could be anything and 12/1 looks big all things considered.
4. Samcro - We will know fairly early in the season what the plan is and how he is shaping, still could be anything
Won't stay, I said it first.
5. Percy - Don't laugh! New yard, new training, proper campaign, his RSA still incredible formline into ABP
I agree on the stable change. But he has had 2 stabs now, he may be simply OTT. If he is any use he should be winning a few grade 1's before he lines up, if we are to believe 3 years of "cotton wool" stories he should have plenty of decent runs left in him. What about the Grand National ?
6. Minella Indo - Likely to go here and presuming with Rachael on board has all the ability (Monalee could be the fly in this ointment after a strong run this year) - meh... I think 14's is tight enough all things considered?
Finally, for one at a huge price, if the rain comes, Native River still has the class and the dourness to be in the picture. I doubt he makes it, he will be 11 , too old imo

ABP an obvious and correct fav, and of the above if I had to pick 3 to really take him on with I would pick, in order
1. Minella Indo
2.TOTG
3. Santini

Are you not giving Allaho another chance? 25's is juicy enough considered all the talk from last year, or was that more pre Cheltenham waffle from the Closutton massive?:P

To be honest I thought Mark Walsh gave Delta Work a shocker last year 25's will look big if he runs to his mark last year, he has won 5 grade 1's and a Pertemps final, his run was too bad to be true. Wasn't Jack Kennedy injured? I would rather follow him for the season.

I am keeping my eye on the Rasher Counter this season also. I reckon Emma Lavelle will have a nice plot for him, it could be a handicap at the festival.

Gavin "shels" · 29-09-2020 10:21pm

Earendil wrote: »

Will be sh!te next year. Poxy virus.

Once we have the winners it'll do!

NaiveMelodies · 30-09-2020 8:44am

Gavin "shels" wrote: »

Once we have the winners it'll do!

50 quid for the winner of the Gold Cup!

RivetingRoger · 30-09-2020 8:50am

God it feels good to be talking jumps lads!
I will watch the arc, but i couldn't really give a shi*e tbh
Roll on Chepstow

Anyone see anything to oppose Shishkin in the Arkle?
Darver Star perhaps?

IAMAMORON · 30-09-2020 10:36am

RivetingRoger wrote: »

God it feels good to be talking jumps lads!
I will watch the arc, but i couldn't really give a shi*e tbh
Roll on Chepstow

Anyone see anything to oppose Shishkin in the Arkle?
Darver Star perhaps?

If they sent Goshen over the fences he would give Shiskin a run for his money. He would have more respect for a fence than a hurdle.

It also depends what goes fencing this year. Fusil Raffles could be decent.

Also Thomas D'arby or even Quel Destin? Nicholls or Olly Murphy would like a runner in the Arkle and their connections would also. Couer Sublime?

i think the only way to beat the market for the Arkle is to have few AP punts now, basically throw a few Hail Mary's in there. At 7/2 Shishkin is no value, especially if he falls twice and lines up at 25/1.

Klassical Dream is interesting, but the bookies don't look too fussed, available at 20's.

I mean the Champion Hurdle looked weak enough last year. It could well be that owners may target the race this year, nicer prize money than the Arkle.

RivetingRoger · 30-09-2020 11:55am

Rogers first outlandish statement of the season

ABACADABRAS WILL WIN THE CHAMPION HURDLE

Slattsy · 30-09-2020 4:04pm

I'm with you on both Shiskin and Abacadabras. Think that race last year will turn out to be very good.

madmoose · 01-10-2020 5:09am

Hope Aba wins the CH having backed but i will also back Saint Roi at 20/1 ew as there should be loads more to come and although got weight off Aramon in the County he won impressively. He’s entered Sunday over hurdles.

RivetingRoger · 01-10-2020 8:39am

What bets have ye done lads?
I have a double on Shishkin and Abacadabras and i have a single on Percy
small money both of them tbh

akelly02 · 01-10-2020 11:27am

mug money on percy ;P

IAMAMORON · 01-10-2020 11:32am

RivetingRoger wrote: »

What bets have ye done lads?
I have a double on Shishkin and Abacadabras and i have a single on Percy
small money both of them tbh

None so far Raj, and I am possibly the biggest degenerate on this forum.

I am currently considering an ew punt on Jean Claude Rouget's Fillie in the Arc, waiting patiently for the draw to be announced.

If Leeds win the Premiership I will get a nice few bob also.

The only Cheltenham value i have seen AP thus far is taking a punt AP on the novice chases, literally Hail Marys on horses like Quick Grabim or Mount Leinster or Getaway Trump - with a view to them improving a stone over fences, it happens with 1 or 2 every year.

The only real value in AP is for connections who know what the targets are. It allows industry to get a head start on laying also. Melon is 20/1 for the Ryanair or 25's for the Queen Mother, he is going to get up one of these years? In saying that he could easy start at those prices on the day?

The Mig · 01-10-2020 12:13pm

Leeds :pac:

Slattsy · 01-10-2020 12:22pm

The Mig wrote: »

Leeds :pac:

Now we understand the name....

IAMAMORON · 01-10-2020 12:38pm

The Mig wrote: »

Leeds :pac:

Slattsy wrote: »

Now we understand the name....

13/2 to beat City at tea time on Saturday.

Fill your booties.

Earendil · 01-10-2020 1:05pm

IAMAMORON wrote: »

None so far Raj, and I am possibly the biggest degenerate on this forum.

I am currently considering an ew punt on Jean Claude Rouget's Fillie in the Arc, waiting patiently for the draw to be announced.

If Leeds win the Premiership I will get a nice few bob also.

The only Cheltenham value i have seen AP thus far is taking a punt AP on the novice chases, literally Hail Marys on horses like Quick Grabim or Mount Leinster or Getaway Trump - with a view to them improving a stone over fences, it happens with 1 or 2 every year.

The only real value in AP is for connections who know what the targets are. It allows industry to get a head start on laying also. Melon is 20/1 for the Ryanair or 25's for the Queen Mother, he is going to get up one of these years? In saying that he could easy start at those prices on the day?

:D

RivetingRoger · 02-10-2020 9:09am

I have 27 cents on Everton to win the league
no lie!

IAMAMORON · 02-10-2020 9:33am

RivetingRoger wrote: »

I have 27 cents on Everton to win the league
no lie!

At 50's 1/3 price ew they are not a bad bet. Ancelottii is no mug?

Dickie10 · 07-10-2020 10:46pm

would there be a good chance we will have cheltenham behind closed doors this march 2021?

madmoose · 07-10-2020 10:53pm

Dickie10 wrote: »

would there be a good chance we will have cheltenham behind closed doors this march 2021?

Nearly certain the way its going, only other thing might be course members only for spectators side of things.

Dwarf.Shortage · 07-10-2020 10:56pm

Dickie10 wrote: »

would there be a good chance we will have cheltenham behind closed doors this march 2021?

Long odds on that there'll be a few hundred at it, if anyone.

Dickie10 · 07-10-2020 10:58pm

you mean short odds on it being behind closed doors?

RivetingRoger · 08-10-2020 8:42am

I'd say most likely scenario is Cheltenham will go ahead with only owners, trainers, yard staff, jockeys and club members in attendance
Very hard to see general public getting in

that said, the PL seem pretty confident they will have spectators in stadia by Christmas, and the UK are not as hell bent on Zero Covid as we seem to be so, maybe...

One thing is for sure, the DRF will be behind closed doors this year which is so sad when you consider the whole Faugheen Day and all that entailed last year with the crowds

IAMAMORON · 08-10-2020 10:01am

I reckon this virus when it starts vanishing will vanish very quickly. I would not write off a full Cheltenham just yet, it is not due to start for another 5 months.

Aintree will be on. Cheltenham would also have the option of a later meeting if things were improving. Organisers can expect a serious revenue bounce when things start getting back to normal.

Dwarf.Shortage · 08-10-2020 11:33am

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I reckon this virus when it starts vanishing will vanish very quickly. I would not write off a full Cheltenham just yet, it is not due to start for another 5 months.

Aintree will be on. Cheltenham would also have the option of a later meeting if things were improving. Organisers can expect a serious revenue bounce when things start getting back to normal.

Why is it going to start vanishing?

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