Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

normanoffside · 09-07-2020 7:52pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

"related to" or "from", the point is the same really; If our airports weren't so much of a joke we wouldn't have 15 of today's cases

You don't know that though, you don't know where they came back from.
It's unlikely that a cluster has appeared already due to the flights starting on 1st July.

It could easily be some Irish person having recently repatriated having been stranded abroad until very recently, then attending a house party/welcome back party (that's what it sounded like to me from reading between the lines).

If I am correct it's not the airport that is a joke but the fact that the passenger (s) did not observe the self Isolation.

I've said it before but the obvious solution would be testing at the airport.
The TMB are already offering private PCR tests for €160 per individual, I can't see why a company wouldn't be allowed set up at the airport and test incoming individuals. Give them a choice to get a test or else make them sign to declare they will quarantine with some legal enforcement of that contract.

Limpy · 09-07-2020 7:54pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

"related to" or "from", the point is the same really; If our airports weren't so much of a joke we wouldn't have 15 of today's cases

Bull****e..

JP Liz V1 · 09-07-2020 7:55pm

The quarantine when coming back is a joke, anyone can come here by sea or air or down from NI, the government needs to get tougher

Tenzor07 · 09-07-2020 7:59pm

normanoffside wrote: »

You don't know that though, you don't know where they came back from.
It's unlikely that a cluster has appeared already due to the flights starting on 1st July.

Correct, I can't see anywhere which says that the 15 new cases came from someone who travelled here through Dublin airport, Ferryport, across the border from the North.
Was it a returning fruit picker, was it a politician, an Irish nurse coming home to visit family after working the past 6 months in an NHS hospital..? You just don't know!

To suggest closing down the transport infrastructure and blocking all entry points with burning tyres and pitchforks or something just means those who suggest it need to stop cocooning and get some outside air for a change.

gral6 · 09-07-2020 7:59pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

3 weeks after the first post on this thread: 15 of today's 23 cases are from from travel

I'm struggling to think of an EU country with weaker airport and travel restrictions than Ireland

Will you be paying all these unemployed people from hospitality and aviation sectors? :rolleyes: We we borrow more?

average_runner · 09-07-2020 8:11pm

gral6 wrote: »

Will you be paying all these unemployed people from hospitality and aviation sectors? :rolleyes: We we borrow more?

There be even more unemployed if we dont get a hold of this virus.
Blocking airports could keep other businesses open.

gral6 · 09-07-2020 8:13pm

average_runner wrote: »

There be even more unemployed if we dont get a hold of this virus.
Blocking airports could keep other businesses open.

It would keep fuc.. all open. Get some fresh air, it helps.

wellwhynot · 09-07-2020 8:18pm

I read on ask about money that the cases related to travel from Iraq, Ukraine, Pakistan, Bangladesh and Sweden. I don’t believe there are direct flights to there so most likely came in from the U.K.

We have to get the airplanes back in the skies or they will go under and we will be stuck here. This was only about flattening the curve. The curve is flattened. We need to move on now.

09-07-2020 8:19pm

Lives vs money. Money will always win.

09-07-2020 8:21pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Lives vs money. Money will always win.

Money also = lives

gral6 · 09-07-2020 8:27pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Lives vs money. Money will always win.

Are you happy enough to grow Roosters in the back garden?

09-07-2020 8:32pm

gral6 wrote: »

Are you happy enough to grow Roosters in the back garden?

I bought roosters all the way through lockdown.

gral6 · 09-07-2020 8:33pm

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

I bought roosters all the way through lockdown.

I know, we can borrow more. The rates are good now.

average_runner · 09-07-2020 8:42pm

gral6 wrote: »

It would keep fuc.. all open. Get some fresh air, it helps.

Dont have to go away for fresh air:)

Hotels, Airbnb and campsites are booked out with staycations

gral6 · 09-07-2020 8:45pm

average_runner wrote: »

Hotels, Airbnb and campsites are booked out with staycations

Really?

Beechwoodspark · 09-07-2020 8:58pm

I asked about a month ago for the govt to have a no fly list of covid 19 countries where it is over a certain level.

It is STILL not in place

is_that_so · 09-07-2020 9:03pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

I asked about a month ago for the govt to have a no fly list of covid 19 countries where it is over a certain level.

It is STILL not in place

Cool your jets! It's coming next week for July 20. It made more sense to wait as long as possible to see where countries are now before deciding.

Spanish Eyes · 09-07-2020 9:03pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Correct, I can't see anywhere which says that the 15 new cases came from someone who travelled here through Dublin airport, Ferryport, across the border from the North.
Was it a returning fruit picker, was it a politician, an Irish nurse coming home to visit family after working the past 6 months in an NHS hospital..? You just don't know!

To suggest closing down the transport infrastructure and blocking all entry points with burning tyres and pitchforks or something just means those who suggest it need to stop cocooning and get some outside air for a change.

There is no need for such hysteria. This virus is escalating again here mostly through travel. That needs to be acknowledged, and was totally inevitable.

But we have to wait for the Green corridors to be announced. Meanwhile anyone can come in. That's great.

Spanish Eyes · 09-07-2020 9:07pm

UK and US to my mind are the current vectors. But the new Admin is terrified of upsetting either country. US is a basket case, and UK inward travel doesn't just mean Irish abroad coming home to visit Mammy. UK is a hub for many countries.

And when you get to the airport, are there any checks on arrival? Apart from a flimsy bit of paper I doubt it.

CV all kicked off here through International Travel. It spread around the world within weeks. Would be wise to remember that.

Limpy · 09-07-2020 9:15pm

They can't shut the UK out unless they put up a border and revoke the common travel agreement. Obviously that's not going to happen.

We Ireland =UK with regards to travel.
All of Europe could ban the UK except Ireland.

All present restrictions can be circumvented by crossing the border in the North. Fact is due to the GFA and the border issue Ireland can't control its own destiny.

Tenzor07 · 09-07-2020 9:19pm

Limpy wrote: »

We Ireland =UK with regards to travel.
All of Europe could ban the UK except Ireland. .

Ireland will get included in these bans as we're not in the Schengen travel area and we have a shared border with the UK and the CTA, so people should be careful what they wish for...

gral6 · 09-07-2020 9:19pm

Thanks god there is no mandatory quarantine here in Ireland ! Not everyone has gone crazy yet because of fresh air lack in this country!

Spanish Eyes · 09-07-2020 9:20pm

Limpy wrote: »

They can't shut the UK out unless they put up a border and revoke the common travel agreement. Obviously that's not going to happen.

We Ireland =UK with regards to travel.
All of Europe could ban the UK except Ireland.

All present restrictions can be circumvented by crossing the border in the North. Fact is due to the GFA and the border issue Ireland can't control its own destiny.

Well NI would never have the same number of arrivals as ROI does, so it's easy for them to say their 14 day quarantine no longer applies.

My spidey feeling is they are trying to hang us out to dry or something. But it may not come to that. Hopefully.

theological · 09-07-2020 9:37pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

UK and US to my mind are the current vectors. But the new Admin is terrified of upsetting either country. US is a basket case, and UK inward travel doesn't just mean Irish abroad coming home to visit Mammy. UK is a hub for many countries.

And when you get to the airport, are there any checks on arrival? Apart from a flimsy bit of paper I doubt it.

CV all kicked off here through International Travel. It spread around the world within weeks. Would be wise to remember that.

I commented earlier on this thread about the prevalence of the virus in the UK. At the moment about 1 in 2942 people have coronavirus based on the latest figures from the KCL coronavirus tracker. That's rather small.

I'm not in disagreement that travel should only be for necessary purposes, but the idea that the UK is a significant "vector" for the virus seems to be false in my mind.

Spanish Eyes · 09-07-2020 9:45pm

theological wrote: »

I commented earlier on this thread about the prevalence of the virus in the UK. At the moment about 1 in 2942 people have coronavirus based on the latest figures from the KCL coronavirus tracker. That's rather small.

I'm not in disagreement that travel should only be for necessary purposes, but the idea that the UK is a significant "vector" for the virus seems to be false in my mind.

It is because it introduces lots of world travellers using Uk as a hub. And there is US, Sweden, Brazil (lots here, how do they get here?) and many other places besides.

They can stay away for now, but that is not going to be our decision, and the new Gov cannot make a decision either! So we have an indecisive Gov and a pandemic. Don't know which is worse at the moment.

theological · 09-07-2020 9:47pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

It is, as is US, Sweden, Brazil (lots here, how do they get here?) and many other places besides.

They can stay away for now, but that is not going to be our decision, and the new Gov cannot make a decision either! So we have an indecisive Gov and a pandemic. Don't know which is worse at the moment.

I think comparing the UK to the US, Sweden and Brazil is incorrect. I think looking at the figures and the curves of infection will tell you why. Perhaps you can tell me why you think it is a bed fellow with these in respect to the virus.

gral6 · 09-07-2020 9:48pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So we have an indecisive Gov and a pandemic.

Are 16 cases a day a pandemic?

average_runner · 09-07-2020 10:54pm

gral6 wrote: »

Are 16 cases a day a pandemic?

That's not the issue, it's the rate it can increase so quickly like before.

75% cases are under 25, we need to identify where its occurring and not open the pubs till back under 1.

Spain and France are showing signs of an Italy

ChikiChiki · 09-07-2020 11:05pm

gral6 wrote: »

Are 16 cases a day a pandemic?

Hmmm not sure if serious. That 16 cases in real terms could be translated to as much as 200 at this point allowing for the other 184 cases yet to be diagnosed.

That is a problem.

stephenjmcd · 09-07-2020 11:13pm

average_runner wrote: »

That's not the issue, it's the rate it can increase so quickly like before.

75% cases are under 25, we need to identify where its occurring and not open the pubs till back under 1.

Spain and France are showing signs of an Italy

Current R rate wont feed into decision making, this has been as good as confirmed by Prof nolan. He stated only last week and confirmed again today with low case numbers R will rise, this was expected, you can't give accurate analysis using the R value when cases are low. Its basic data analysis when using a restricted base data set.

As stated by Dr Glynn they're identifying clusters here and its nothing they didn't expect, majority are private houses involved while there is also clusters appearing again amongst healthcare staff in nursing homes.

Spain have identified clusters and are implementing measures based on said clusters, likewise in France and they're reporting a large number of cases from their overseas territories.

But all of the above is off topic for this thread. Just pointing out lots can be explained when you look into them

mandrake04 · 09-07-2020 11:55pm

State of Victoria pop 6.3m (Melbourne 4.9m) 7 day moving average tests 25K per day

Jun 7 - 4
Jun 8 - 2
Jun 9 - 0
Jun 10 - 4
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Jul 7 - 191
Jul 8 - 134
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ChelseaRentBoy · 09-07-2020 11:59pm

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Hmmm not sure if serious. That 16 cases in real terms could be translated to as much as 200 at this point allowing for the other 184 cases yet to be diagnosed.

That is a problem.

You are wasting your time. Some just don't want to hear it.

faceman · 10-07-2020 12:08am

average_runner wrote: »

That's not the issue, it's the rate it can increase so quickly like before.

75% cases are under 25, we need to identify where its occurring and not open the pubs till back under 1.

Spain and France are showing signs of an Italy

What now? Can’t comment on France but what is “signs of an Italy” and what are Spain doing?

gral6 · 10-07-2020 7:28am

The outbreak of the coronavirus at meat plants will be under scrutiny when the Oireachtas Special Committee on Covid-19 Response meets today.

Let's close all fuc... airports, it will help to prevent clusters at the meat factories

average_runner · 10-07-2020 8:04am

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Current R rate wont feed into decision making, this has been as good as confirmed by Prof nolan. He stated only last week and confirmed again today with low case numbers R will rise, this was expected, you can't give accurate analysis using the R value when cases are low. Its basic data analysis when using a restricted base data set.

As stated by Dr Glynn they're identifying clusters here and its nothing they didn't expect, majority are private houses involved while there is also clusters appearing again amongst healthcare staff in nursing homes.

Spain have identified clusters and are implementing measures based on said clusters, likewise in France and they're reporting a large number of cases from their overseas territories.

But all of the above is off topic for this thread. Just pointing out lots can be explained when you look into them

Read it again, majority of cases are under 25 of age, not nursing homes.

Quote from prof glynn:
"All of the 23 new cases of Covid-19 that were reported yesterday occurred in people aged under 44, and 77% involved people under the age of 25. "

This is the worrying stat

average_runner · 10-07-2020 8:06am

faceman wrote: »

What now? Can’t comment on France but what is “signs of an Italy” and what are Spain doing?

Spain have struggled to get their numbers under 300, mostly over 400 this week, had two big local lockdown, closed 55 beaches due to.social distancing and now compulsory to wear masks in public in most parts of spain

SEPT 23 1989 · 10-07-2020 8:09am

It won't be from the air our downfall will come from the sea

There will be a record number of U.K. reg cars in this country this summer

average_runner · 10-07-2020 8:10am

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Hmmm not sure if serious. That 16 cases in real terms could be translated to as much as 200 at this point allowing for the other 184 cases yet to be diagnosed.

That is a problem.

They are shouting about it now so that doesn't happen. If it happens we are heading back to march.

dwayneshintzy · 10-07-2020 8:10am

Mention earlier in this thread to pass legislation stopping Irish citizens from returning home is absurd. I'd agree that there should be mandatory, enforced quarantine in designated facilities for anyone entering the country, including citizens. But you can't block people from returning home.

spockety · 10-07-2020 8:15am

average_runner wrote: »

That's not the issue, it's the rate it can increase so quickly like before.

75% cases are under 25, we need to identify where its occurring and not open the pubs till back under 1.

Spain and France are showing signs of an Italy

France's numbers are skewed because they include French Guiana, which is in South America. Nearly half of cases in "France" are there, even though it only has a population of 300k.

What are you talking about?

gral6 · 10-07-2020 8:17am

average_runner wrote: »

They are shouting about it now so that doesn't happen. If it happens we are heading back to march.

You are still there, try to get some fresh air

ZX7R · 10-07-2020 8:28am

average_runner wrote: »

Spain have struggled to get their numbers under 300, mostly over 400 this week, had two big local lockdown, closed 55 beaches due to.social distancing and now compulsory to wear masks in public in most parts of spain

Your 55 beaches were reopened within 24 hours.
But the media did not do a great job reporting this!

theological · 10-07-2020 8:51am

average_runner wrote: »

Read it again, majority of cases are under 25 of age, not nursing homes.

Quote from prof glynn:
"All of the 23 new cases of Covid-19 that were reported yesterday occurred in people aged under 44, and 77% involved people under the age of 25. "

This is the worrying stat

That isn't worrying in one way. At least those who are under 25 have a far greater chance of recovering from the virus than those who are over 70.

However, it is worrying in another way. Younger people are causing the spread of the infection in the US, and I guess in turn are passing it on to older people they may live with or be in contact with.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

It won't be from the air our downfall will come from the sea

There will be a record number of U.K. reg cars in this country this summer

This is another unfounded claim. I get the argument to say that travel should only be for essential reasons. This is part of the reason why I'm not coming back to Ireland in the summer, and the reason why my family won't be attending my wedding in England.

However, 1 in nearly 3000 people have this virus in the UK. Most of whom are probably already self-isolating. The odds of bumping into someone with COVID-19 even within Britain are pretty low at this stage. It is even more improbable that one of those people will come to Ireland.

This thread is more full of fear mongering than facts at this stage. As I said in one of my original posts I definitely won't be coming to Ireland when this attitude prevails amongst a significant number. Don't worry.

average_runner · 10-07-2020 9:06am

ZX7R wrote: »

Your 55 beaches were reopened within 24 hours.
But the media did not do a great job reporting this!

Yes they were, but any potential damage was already done. They also put some regions in lockdown

average_runner · 10-07-2020 9:10am

theological wrote: »

That isn't worrying in one way. At least those who are under 25 have a far greater chance of recovering from the virus than those who are over 70.

However, it is worrying in another way. Younger people are causing the spread of the infection in the US, and I guess in turn are passing it on to older people they may live with or be in contact with.

This is another unfounded claim. I get the argument to say that travel should only be for essential reasons. This is part of the reason why I'm not coming back to Ireland in the summer, and the reason why my family won't be attending my wedding in England.

However, 1 in nearly 3000 people have this virus in the UK. Most of whom are probably already self-isolating. The odds of bumping into someone with COVID-19 even within Britain are pretty low at this stage. It is even more improbable that one of those people will come to Ireland.

This thread is more full of fear mongering than facts at this stage. As I said in one of my original posts I definitely won't be coming to Ireland when this attitude prevails amongst a significant number. Don't worry.

Are the uk still only testing when admitted to hospital? If so no one knows the uk numbers?

The worrying thing about the under 25 is are they self isolating? If so that is great, if not its worrying.

No problem with people going on hols once they self isolate when they come back and act responsible when away

theological · 10-07-2020 9:16am

average_runner wrote: »

Are the uk still only testing when admitted to hospital? If so no one knows the uk numbers?

The worrying thing about the under 25 is are they self isolating? If so that is great, if not its worrying.

No problem with people going on hols once they self isolate when they come back and act responsible when away

The UK have been testing in the community for a long time now. That's been true since the end of April. These are included in the test figures.

Also - the figures I am using are from the KCL coronavirus tracker. This is based on the data submitted from 4 million app users reporting their symptoms and test results. I'm one of them. If anything this data is more reliable than that received through testing figures.

stephenjmcd · 10-07-2020 9:16am

average_runner wrote: »

Read it again, majority of cases are under 25 of age, not nursing homes.

Quote from prof glynn:
"All of the 23 new cases of Covid-19 that were reported yesterday occurred in people aged under 44, and 77% involved people under the age of 25. "

This is the worrying stat

I was addressing the rest of your post with regards to R and giving the context behind Spain and France, which is easily available to find online. You can see where the cases in both countries are being reported and the vast majority of the French cases are coming from their overseas territories.

But anyway the cases yesterday yes you are correct, the cases last few days they have said some are related to healthcare workers in nursing homes. One nursing home for example picked up 5 asymptomatic cases in staff. Hence the benefit of tageted testing in the sector that is currently underway.

They wont give detail of the cases under the age of 25 but it was said the clusters we're seeing are private houses and care settings some relating to travel.

average_runner · 10-07-2020 9:19am

theological wrote: »

The UK have been testing in the community for a long time now. That's been true since the end of April. These are included in the test figures.

Also - the figures I am using are from the KCL coronavirus tracker. This is based on the data submitted from 4 million app users reporting their symptoms and test results. I'm one of them. If anything this data is more reliable than that received through testing figures.

Well they weren't testing in the community in Nottingham and parts of London for sure at end of April. My uncle had it bad, still recovering from last April, was told only go to hospital if lips turn blue, never tested. Was in a real bad and still can only walk about 500m as lungs not recovered

facehugger99 · 10-07-2020 9:21am

Fantastic to have another jurisdiction an hour up the road. It will limit the insular thinking of the Irish Government.

Time to open up the country - Lockdown is a total waste of time. The virus isn't going anywhere and the vaccine may never arrive.

The sooner the hysteria-merchants realise this the better.

There is a negligible risk for the vast majority of the population.

theological · 10-07-2020 9:22am

average_runner wrote: »

Well they weren't testing in the community in Nottingham and parts of London for sure at end of April. My uncle had it bad, still recovering from last April, was told only go to hospital if lips turn blue, never tested. Was in a real bad and still can only walk about 500m as lungs not recovered

You can see the testing results from the community pretty easily on the UK government website. They come under pillar 2 testing.

That is a side point however. The KCL data I am using isn't based solely on test results. It is based on a reporting of symptoms by 4 million people which is a huge sample size.

The ONS are also surveying every week to find out the prevalence of the virus by testing a consistent sample size every week. The KCL data and the ONS data pretty much agree now.

In any case, about 1 in 3000 people have this in the UK based on this data. If you want to dispute that please feel free to do so with data rather than speculation.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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