Washington Commanders thread

jack presley · 24-08-2013 10:09pm

I know in going against everything I said in my earlier post but the amount of penalties the Redskins are giving up this preseason is ridiculous and that's something they better sort out before the Eagles game.

And preseason or not, Rex Grossman is not an NFL QB

Itssoeasy · 24-08-2013 10:31pm

davyjose wrote: »

I heard Snyder is letting the doctor make the call on whether RG3 starts or not. And he's apparently one of the leading experts on the knee in the world. So he won't be easily coerced by Shanahan. If RG3's knee goes, so does his reputation.

True about preseason not mattering, but it's good to get an idea of where your team is at?

Yeah dr James Andrews is the guy that did the surgery on RGIII. The man is a genius really and if he says no then that a no.

davyjose · 24-08-2013 10:33pm

jack presley wrote: »

And preseason or not, Rex Grossman is not an NFL QB

Not watching but his stats look good. 116 QB rating. You're spoilt dude

jack presley · 24-08-2013 10:45pm

davyjose wrote: »

Not watching but his stats look good. 116 QB rating. You're spoilt dude

Bad passes straight into the arms of the opposition that are dropped don't show up in the stats! He had a particularly bad one earlier. And some of his incompletions were no where near the intended receivers.

davyjose · 24-08-2013 10:57pm

jack presley wrote: »

Bad passes straight into the arms of the opposition that are dropped don't show up in the stats! He had a particularly bad one earlier. And some of his incompletions were no where near the intended receivers.

Sounds like ol' Rexy alright.

mikemac1 · 24-08-2013 11:09pm

Adam Schefter tweeting that Pat White deserves a spot on the 53

I hadn't realized he was back in football.

Last I heard he left football to go play professional baseball and the Dolphins had wasted a valuable second round pick.

Will the Redskins cut Grossman and carry White as the 3rd QB?

jack presley · 24-08-2013 11:14pm

mikemac1 wrote: »

Adam Schefter tweeting that Pat White deserves a spot on the 53

I hadn't realized he was back in football. Last I heard he left football to go play professional baseball and the Dolphins had wasted a valuable second round pick.

Will the Redskins cut Grossman and carry White as the 3rd QB?

I'd love it if they did but I can't see it happening. The shanahans seem to like Grossman a lot (what are they seeing that the rest of us aren't?). If they did cut him it would mean 2 backups with very little experience and that's about the only thing Rex has going for him. He is awful though, painful to watch. With Rex, you're always only one play away from a bad interception or fumble.

shamrock55 · 26-08-2013 12:04am

Another preseason win at fedex against the bills 30-7, grossman threw for 170yrd completing 11 from 21 passes including a 7yrd td for garcon, pat white then replaced him not sure when though(wasnt watching it) and went 7 for 14 for 96yrds including a 14yrd td
Rg3 was fully kitted out on the sideline this time though without his "operation patience" t-shirt:D HTTR!!

Itssoeasy · 26-08-2013 12:35am

jack presley wrote: »

Cousins is alright apparently but I think RGIII will play so I don't think they'll have to resort to RGI like they do tonight. Leaving the QB issue aside, there is very little to be learned from preseason games generally with the amount of reps the proposed starters get which was the point i was trying to make in my previous post. I know people get excited about the 3rd preseason game but even that will be forgotten about once week 1 comes about.

I didn't think godell was in game shape.

jack presley · 26-08-2013 6:51am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I didn't think godell was in game shape.

Nah, Rex Grossman is RGI

shamrock55 · 30-08-2013 9:23am

Well thats pre season over and a 100% record for the redskins after a 30-12 win over tampa, i think rg3 has been given the all clear to start against the eagles too which is great so lets keep on winning boys:D HTTR!!

jack presley · 30-08-2013 9:41am

shamrock55 wrote: »

Well thats pre season over and a 100% record for the redskins after a 30-12 win over tampa, i think rg3 has been given the all clear to start against the eagles too which is great so lets keep on winning boys:D HTTR!!

Never ever get excited by pre-season records. The 0-16 Detroit Lions in 2008 also went 4-0 in the preseason!

RGIII got the all clear from Andrews alright but as usual Shanahan made some cryptic comment about there being some concerns which they'll discuss over the weekend. Probably mind games to keep the Eagles thinking.

Hopefully Griffin is in on it as his relationship with Shanahan isn't great so if he hears that even after getting the all clear he still isn't being named as starter, he'll go mad!

bootybouncer · 30-08-2013 5:04pm

Rg3 should not start the first 3 games, he should play the final 1/4 in each of the first 3 games to ease himself in....................................an absolute dickhead, thankfully Ive stopped following his tweets and I can get on with rooting them on though

jack presley · 30-08-2013 10:05pm

Jaysus, now Andrews denying saying he has concerns about how the Redskins use Griffin. This is turning into a worse soap opera than A-Rod up in NY.

Itssoeasy · 30-08-2013 10:51pm

It's all well and good RGIII saying he is fine. You can only find out for real in an actual regular season game environment. Until he plants his leg and twists it in real time it's an unknown.

Itssoeasy · 30-08-2013 10:55pm

bootybouncer wrote: »

Rg3 should not start the first 3 games, he should play the final 1/4 in each of the first 3 games to ease himself in....................................an absolute dickhead, thankfully Ive stopped following his tweets and I can get on with rooting them on though

Don't see how he is a dickhead on his own. The skins as a team have made a utter balls of this whole thing to be fair now.

jack presley · 30-08-2013 10:59pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It's all well and good RGIII saying he is fine. You can only find out for real in an actual regular season game environment. Until he plants his leg and twists it in real time it's an unknown.

That's it exactly. As soon as some big defensive lineman or linebacker flattens him, then he'll know if he's ready or not.

jack presley · 30-08-2013 11:15pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It's all well and good RGIII saying he is fine. You can only find out for real in an actual regular season game environment. Until he plants his leg and twists it in real time it's an unknown.

I know you're a Mets fan from the baseball threads but are you a Redskins fan too? It's a strange combination so odd that there's two of us following them both.

Itssoeasy · 30-08-2013 11:39pm

jack presley wrote: »

I know you're a Mets fan from the baseball threads but are you a Redskins fan too? It's a strange combination so odd that there's two of us following them both.

Nope eagles fan.

jack presley · 30-08-2013 11:44pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Nope eagles fan.

Equally odd...!!!

Itssoeasy · 30-08-2013 11:46pm

jack presley wrote: »

Equally odd...!!!

Well the skins are playing the eagles week one. I don't like success do I ? Being a mets and eagles fan.

jack presley · 30-08-2013 11:47pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Well the skins are playing the eagles week one. I don't like success do I ? Being a mets and eagles fan.

I presume you're going bald at this stage with all the pulling out of your hair that goes with supporting teams that frustrate so much!

Itssoeasy · 30-08-2013 11:49pm

jack presley wrote: »

I presume you're going bald at this stage with all the pulling out of your hair that goes with supporting teams that frustrate so much!

Yeah although the eagles might have a bit about them this year. The mets not so much. I might watch tonight's game.

Raphael · 10-09-2013 1:53am

Well... This sucks.

jack presley · 10-09-2013 9:59am

Raphael wrote: »

Well... This sucks.

Yeah, they just weren't at the races at all. I gave up at half time and apparently it did get a bit better but not the way to start the season. And they have to go to the 0-1 Packers next who will be desperate to get a win so the Skins could easily be in an 0-2 hole.

shamrock55 · 10-09-2013 10:04am

It honestly seemed that the skins were asleep for the entire first half, if we had recovered the onside kick near the end we might have pulled it off

Raphael · 10-09-2013 12:48pm

shamrock55 wrote: »

It honestly seemed that the skins were asleep for the entire first half, if we had recovered the onside kick near the end we might have pulled it off

Yeah, but that was a long shot. If we'd played the whole game like the second half, I think we could have won, but twas not to be.

I think not having a preseason really hurt RG3, he was pretty rusty out there last night. Plus he's still not fully using that leg.

shamrock55 · 10-09-2013 1:16pm

Packers is gonna be tough now especially as they lost their first game too

jack presley · 10-09-2013 1:58pm

shamrock55 wrote: »

Packers is gonna be tough now especially as they lost their first game too

And with the 0-1 Giants facing the Broncos, the Eagles and Cowboys have a chance to get a 2 game lead in the NFC East.

Masked Man · 10-09-2013 3:57pm

Packers are going to try knock the **** out of RG3. Whatever about him being rusty, it really looks like he shouldn't be playing on that knee. Leaving him until the bye might've been a good option.

jack presley · 10-09-2013 5:34pm

Masked Man wrote: »

Packers are going to try knock the **** out of RG3. Whatever about him being rusty, it really looks like he shouldn't be playing on that knee. Leaving him until the bye might've been a good option.

Not only will the defence beat up Griffin, Rodgers is going to have a field day against the Redskins secondary. Michael Vick isn't in the same class as Rodgers and despite missing a few open men, was still able to tear them apart. Imagine what a great QB will be able to do.

DULLAHAN2 · 11-09-2013 11:47am

Going to start following the NFL this year, used to watch it years ago when i got a cup with the redskins logo on it. Tell me what are peoples expectations of the redskins this year?

Raphael · 11-09-2013 11:49am

He ran fine, and got a couple of hits that would have jarred the knee at least, so I think it's broadly ok. The problem is that he's avoiding putting his weight on it when he throws.

DULLAHAN2 wrote: »

Going to start following the NFL this year, used to watch it years ago when i got a cup with the redskins logo on it. Tell me what are peoples expectations of the redskins this year?

Right now, I don;t know what to expect. Redskins Offence didn't have a proper preseason, since RG3 was rested, so it'll take a game or two before we see their form.

If they play like they did in the first half of the eagles game for the season, we're screwed.
If they play like they did in the second half, we might be ok.
If they play like they did last season, making the playoffs again is a real possibility.

jack presley · 11-09-2013 12:14pm

DULLAHAN2 wrote: »

Tell me what are peoples expectations of the redskins this year?

Up to about 11:55 on Monday night I was fairly confident of a good season where they'd challenge for the NFC East again and with a bit of luck and if they catch a break or two, they might do alright in the playoffs. However by about 1:30 Tuesday morning, I had to reconsider all that.

I know it's only one game but if they beat up by the Packers this week, they'll have to go 10-4 in the remaining games to have any chance of making the playoffs and that would be very difficult to do.

Having said that, they were 3-6 last year and went on to win 7 in a row but I don't think lightning will strike twice.

shamrock55 · 11-09-2013 3:25pm

Have we any chance against the packers at the wkend? Whats the chance of us doing to them what the eagles did to us first half, the eagles never gave our defence a breather(is there a term for that is it blitzing)? Sorry im still not sure of half the termanology

Raphael · 11-09-2013 3:32pm

Blitzing is the defensive strategy of rushing the quarterback with as many players as possible, in the hopes of making a sack. It has the downside that you have a hard time marking the pass receivers, or even running backs who go wide.

What the Eagles did was incredible, but hard to do and potentially a lot less tactical. For one thing, their offence was exhausted by the end of the game, and they've presumable been practicing this through the offseason, building up stamina - we might see other teams try it by the late season, or next year, but for now it's theirs -trying it without working on endurance will just lead to a very lackluster offence in the late game.

For another thing, no huddle means no private discussion about plays, and less planning. They played, formed up on the line of scrimmage (forcing the Redskins to line up quickly, then Vick called a play and they played it. No changing formations, unless it's planned way in advance, and all the plays are called in the open, where the defence can try and figure out what you're doing.

jack presley · 11-09-2013 8:48pm

shamrock55 wrote: »

Have we any chance against the packers at the wkend?

Of course there's a chance but they're 7.5 point underdogs and considering the bookies generally set lines to entice people to gamble, they obviously think the packers will win by more.

But on the day, who knows? I'm not too confident but I'm not totally writing them off yet.

shamrock55 · 11-09-2013 10:28pm

Raphael wrote: »

Blitzing is the defensive strategy of rushing the quarterback with as many players as possible, in the hopes of making a sack. It has the downside that you have a hard time marking the pass receivers, or even running backs who go wide.

What the Eagles did was incredible, but hard to do and potentially a lot less tactical. For one thing, their offence was exhausted by the end of the game, and they've presumable been practicing this through the offseason, building up stamina - we might see other teams try it by the late season, or next year, but for now it's theirs -trying it without working on endurance will just lead to a very lackluster offence in the late game.

For another thing, no huddle means no private discussion about plays, and less planning. They played, formed up on the line of scrimmage (forcing the Redskins to line up quickly, then Vick called a play and they played it. No changing formations, unless it's planned way in advance, and all the plays are called in the open, where the defence can try and figure out what you're doing.

Cheers for that very informative;)

shamrock55 · 15-09-2013 9:30pm

I only saw that game on the nfl site game centre if you can call watching graphics watching it but by god we are a shambles, less said the better, only plus is eagles and cowgirls lost too now lets just hope broncos whoop the giants

subway · 15-09-2013 9:44pm

It was tough to watch.
Signs of life again late in the game, but waytoo klittle too late.

It's a long season ahead wondering if rg3 is gonna show up

Stev_o · 15-09-2013 9:45pm

He looked pretty bad as a passer, stared down his receivers all game.

jack presley · 15-09-2013 10:17pm

On the bright side (and I'm clutching at straws here), the Cowboys and Eagles both lost as well and hopefully the Broncos will beat the Giants in the game on at the moment so after two weeks and 2 awful performances, they'll only be a game back which isn't the end of the world.

It will be the end of the world of course if they don't get it together in week 3.

The Reservoir Dubs Anchorman · 16-09-2013 12:50am

jack presley wrote: »

On the bright side (and I'm clutching at straws here), the Cowboys and Eagles both lost as well and hopefully the Broncos will beat the Giants in the game on at the moment so after two weeks and 2 awful performances, they'll only be a game back which isn't the end of the world.

It will be the end of the world of course if they don't get it together in week 3.

Losing to Green Bay is not the end of the world but the problem I see with the team at the moment is their inability to move the ball early in games.

RGIII is not comfortably moving off the hurt leg, he was not finishing his throws against Philly and that is a problem and a major concern for me personally. I really love RG III but you cant win in this league while playing hurt.

Raphael · 16-09-2013 1:25am

Once again the 2nd half was a big improvement onr the first. Whatever they're doing in the locker room at half time, they oughta do that before kickoff.

Next week is going to make it or break it. If we can't get our **** together against the Lions, we might as well leave it.

jack presley · 16-09-2013 10:40am

Raphael wrote: »

Once again the 2nd half was a big improvement onr the first. Whatever they're doing in the locker room at half time, they oughta do that before kickoff.

Next week is going to make it or break it. If we can't get our **** together against the Lions, we might as well leave it.

I don't think you can read too much into the second half performance. GB's defence wouldn't have been blitzing as much and they probably took out a few starters from time to time and when you're up 30 points or so, the urgency wouldn't be there so the stats from the 2nd half shouldn't be taken too seriously.

I agree, the game against the Lions (and the following week @ Oakland) are critical. They need to get back to 2-2 and go into the bye back in the mix.

shamrock55 · 22-09-2013 8:15pm

Anyone watching the game now lads how are we getting on, do we look like pulling it off??

Raphael · 22-09-2013 8:16pm

I'm watching it, going an awful lot better. A win is definitely on the cards.

subway · 22-09-2013 8:34pm

Not anymore

More bad luck

Raphael · 22-09-2013 8:35pm

It's not over yet.

shamrock55 · 22-09-2013 9:19pm

Why in gods name would you go for a field goal at 4th and 3 frm the endzone being 10 behind and 1.40 on the clock

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