This week's classic tractor I'm not buying

Pussyhands wrote: »

If you have 2 gearsticks, one for high, medium and reverse and then one for 1,2,3,4...is that a shuttle?

In different tractors you have different gear leaver set up. Traditionally in tractors you had a hi/lo leaver and a second leaver with Reverse,1,2+3. Then tractors added a multipower ( a power shift up a gear on every gear and reverse) often on a foot pedal.

In the 90's tractor manufacturers started to change there set ups. On one leaver they put gears 1-4, on another leaver High and Low. They put in an extra leaver often on the LHS of the steering wheel ( well at the start this was the most favoured position) with forward and reverse on it.

This allowed you to go from forward to reverse in any position. In reality you would never use it in the really high gears but form any gear that you can take off from it slows you to work in the same speed in forward and reverse.

Finally they started to change the design of multipower from a foot pedal to a switch. The advantage if you have a.load on and ate going up a hill you only hit the switch to go dow a gear. As well if working in a yard in second gear you can hit the button and speed up

wrangler wrote: »

I think thats the way it was on the Crystal, it was as good as a shuttle , just put it back and forward for forward/reverse. I buckraked a lot of silage and if I had a pound for every back/forward on the gear stick i'd be a wealthy man

Ford copied that gear pattern when they introduced the Force 2 range in the mid eighties. The Crystal had it since '69.
They still reckoned Zetors were a bit backward!!

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

As could happen with this machine

No neutral position on the shuttle, only forward and reverse, force of habbit means the operator inadvertently selects a drive position when stopping:eek: unless very familiar with the tractor of course

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/1994-case-5140-40k/27749114

There was a neutral in our 5140 , never had a bother with it like that

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The reason this gear selection was developed was to give you a bigger selection of gears especially in reverse. You went from having two reverse gears to having four and with multi power eight. While for changing from forward to reverse it was a better option it was not as effective as a shuttle

Correct. My post was really just praising the Zetor!
Low range and reverse were usually opposite each other and were pretty evenly matched, speedwise.

gk5000 wrote: »

Is that a Massey 50B in the background? Who is the dealer? Thanks.

Herbie Griffith, yard is in Crossdoney, Co. Cavan

They seem to have some arrangement with a large NI tractor dealer, in that machines seem to move around a variety of dealerships, sometimes re-appearing 12 months later.
His number is 086 8288491

gk5000 wrote: »

Is that a Massey 50B in the background? Who is the dealer? Thanks.

It looks likes a 50b. The first downside from the pics is that it doesn't have a 4 way bucket.

4 in 1 buckets are a lot heavier, are pipes to take on and off when changing and in machines that old they usually need something done to them too, leaking ram or worn out basically. Have the t-shirt, it was like a sieve carrying meal. Simple bucket like the one in the picture on it since.

Had another look at this yoke today. Loader is fully engaged in its brackets, and on another tractor could be 18 inches further back.
However on the Massey the exhaust is in the way, so unless there was a different elbow or exhaust available, it's as far back as possible.


The white pipeis just stopping oil spilling onto the ground, it needs a new hydraulic pipe.

selectamatic wrote: »

That model of quicke must be that bitteen narrower than the mf 40/80 power loaders so. They can be mounted back near the bellhousing as normal. At least they can on 165s and the like.

Maybe the 178 is different.

Yeah, I know the Massey 65 diggers had a slim profile of U bend on the manifold to keep the exhaust inside the framework.
But the Quickie frame seems especially designed for this particular figment.

Gillespy wrote: »

Couldn't be messing around sealing a bucket everytime I need it for meal. Useful for certain jobs, too many downsides for the daily jobs I do. The weight of the thing alone would put me off it in relation to extra front axle and tyre wear. Wide, deep bucket you can tilt well back a lot better I find.

I couldn't agree with that at all.
I have a JCB with a 4 in 1 bucket, and if you put a normal one on the front it'd be un-drivable.
You need that extra 300kg tokeep them balanced.
Anyway, any digger without a 4 in 1 is only an eegit of a thing, you are always looking for something to push against get the bucket filled, or the last bit gathered up.
Add to that, if you want a shear grab on the front, you are usually looking at some kind of a jury-rig to get power to the front.
So many diggers have mono-bloc valve chests and people end up with diverter valves and having to use a jack lever to work the grab.

Nekarsulm wrote: »

Herbie Griffith, yard is in Crossdoney, Co. Cavan

They seem to have some arrangement with a large NI tractor dealer, in that machines seem to move around a variety of dealerships, sometimes re-appearing 12 months later.
His number is 086 8288491

Thanks again,

Went to see that 50B today...but it may be sitting a while longer.
Bit naive looking for a diamond behind the rough exterior.
Starts, stops (on one wheel at least), works....some leaks, not sure bout pump when hot,.. but major killer for me is back actor is stuck in the middle...even while the rams for it are released.

https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagemachinery-for-sale/tractor/27787543

Surely for that price with a loader for someone handy it would be worth a gamble

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/massey-ferguson-2725/27717540?campaign=14

What about this? If I had the time to spruce it up and storage space id be interested

Bass Reeves wrote: »

And as well there is a grab on it. As long as it was generally fairy ok and you were handy for 2-3K you could surly turn it into a decent back up tractor. it would lift a bale at the back and the grab would break them uo if you needed. It would work as a second tractor for drawing bales

84 numberplate. Either an import or a late registration? Well not that it would make too much difference

zetecescort wrote: »

must have been some amount of those Quicke loaders sold back in the day. still plenty on different yokes on donedeal

Was there any other options produced in the same numbers at the time?

Deleted User wrote: »

tanco??

Did they get exported in the same numbers as Quicke?

That DB was likely imported from the UK judging by the reg

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

What was it.......this thread is making a lot of sales on DD.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/mf-4245-4wd/27767148

Seen this today. Got me thinking 🀔
I've a 4255 2 wheel drive with a loader. Wonder would I need to back it much to upgrade to 4 wheel drive and switch over the loader.

Bit odd it's being sold with no warranty no?

DBK1 wrote: »

That’s far too expensive for a tractor of its age being sold with no warranty. I’d be running as far away from it as possible.

Immaculate tractor to be fair, but yeah I'd be asking questions alright.

endainoz wrote: »

Immaculate tractor to be fair, but yeah I'd be asking questions alright.

You see it where a dealer allows too much for a tractor where it is in vgc or a load of rubbish to do a deal to sell another tractor it will dctrafed in against

I looked at his other tractors and he has a few 15-25 year old and he is trying to sell all sold as seen. None are cheap tractors. That Massey would not be cheap even with a loader without a loader, a warranty and getting checked over in the workshop it is over 5k too dear

jaginsligo wrote: »

Db 1490 with loader for less than €4k

I know where I'm going to post my 135 (don't worry, never going to sell it) if I'm ever selling it on dd, best advertising ever

The biggest trick about selling on DD is realistic pricing. Something selling for 50-100 euro( run 1k value) at or below real value will sell in no time, something where an seller is looking for 50-100 more will burst sellers chops. I have sold about 1k worth of stuff last year and expect to offload the same this year. Last year I sold two old fertlizer spreaders for 650 and 200 euro and got 150 for a 2nd hand freezer.

That DB was probably undervalued by 1-2k but at 6 k it would have sat there for a while. Grab alone was worth 300 euro and tractor was about 60hp. It was much better value than a lot of 165's and 135's even without the loader

Bass Reeves wrote: »

The biggest trick about selling on DD is realistic pricing. Something selling for 50-100 euro( run 1k value) at or below real value will sell in no time, something where an seller is looking for 50-100 more will burst sellers chops. I have sold about 1k worth of stuff last year and expect to offload the same this year. Last year I sold two old fertlizer spreaders for 650 and 200 euro and got 150 for a 2nd hand freezer.

That DB was probably undervalued by 1-2k but at 6 k it would have sat there for a while. Grab alone was worth 300 euro and tractor was about 60hp. It was much better value than a lot of 165's and 135's even without the loader

I agree, anytime I'm selling something on dd I usually start with a price based on "what would I paid for this"

DBK1 wrote: »

That’s far too expensive for a tractor of its age being sold with no warranty. I’d be running as far away from it as possible.

I've seen a few adds of his and anything other than Landing or NH seems to have a no warranty policy. Looks clean all the same. Hard to come across one. Might be as well sticking to the devil I know maybe.

_Brian wrote: »

Like lads selling everything there are different approaches.

Some are happy to sit and wait for a buyer to get premium prices while others like to turn stock over quicker and take less of a cut, the advantage of the latter is it usually perks more frequent interest from customers checking to see the most recent stock.

Large MF dealership near us puts mad prices on older second hand stock, much of which sits for years and is scrapped. I think he just doesn’t want the name of being a place to come and buy cheap tractors.

That place begin with an M

Reggie. wrote: »

That place begin with an M

Yup
Grand lads but they won’t entertain the notion of selling the older stock as they aim to keep up the reputation of high end sales only. Stuff that could sell hangs around and just goes for scrap or export.

It's not a tractor but I think it's good value & most farms could make us of it
https://www.donedeal.ie/vintagemachinery-for-sale/jcb-3cx-digger-loader/27782743