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snotboogie wrote: »Nice to get the updates all the same, lack of progress at the Coca-Cola site is worrying, starting to look like another Camden Quay
I spotted a planning notice there last week & took a pic but it's just the old one from last year that looks like it had been moved a bit.
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June update
Under Construction
Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3,000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19' Clearstream to be the anchor client
85-86 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18' KPMG rumoured to be anchor client
Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'
Student : Western Road/Muskerry Service Station (190 beds) has one crane and the Beamish site (413 beds) has two tower cranes erected. Copley Street (126 beds) should be finished by 2019 and Student Hub in UCC has one tower crane up.
Marina Park: Under construction with first phase to open in Q1 2019.
Industrial projects: Johnson & Johnson (biggest construction project in Cork), MSD, Eli Lilly (all above 100 million).
Hospital: New wing at Bons Secour has one tower crane and CUH oncology centre has one crane
There are currently 9 tower cranes in the city all listed above. Before people get too excited it should be kept in mind that the crane count is 78 in Dublin and around 23 in Belfast. Dublin is in a league of its own for a city of it's size in a developed nation, the scale of the current development and what's coming on stream there is in a whole other stratosphere to the rest of the Island. I couldn't find a crane count for Limerick but I believe the Hanging Gardens is under construction. Galway seems to have little interest in riding the current boom.
Planning/Appealed
Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3,000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Appeal withdrawn in April. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin this summer with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.
Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed, 12 storey, 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy. Final planning decision delayed until June 29th.
The Prism: A 15 storey 70 metre office development on the triangle site on Clontarf Street. Planning lodged in the middle of May and a decision is due on the 10th of July.
Penrose Dock: 7 and 9 floor office development in the area bounded by Penrose quay, Railway street, Alfred street and Brian Boru street. Submitted for planning at the end of May, decision due on 19th of July.
Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, appealed with a decision due soon. (If somebody knows the date it would be great)
Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No appeals and got full permission in April. No date for work to start.
MacCurtain Street/York Street Hotel: 8 floor 73 bed hotel. Planning granted in March, appealed soon after and withdrawn at the end of April. Construction to start before the end of the year.
Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting. No updates.
Student accommodation: Crows Nest (250 beds) has planning and should hopefully start at some stage this summer, UCC expect it open for Sept 2020. The Square Deal (228 beds) appeal was withdrawn and it now has full planning permission. O’Riordans Joinery (322 beds) was due for decision on the 24th of May but I've heard nothing? Farranlea Road (145 beds) had planning approved and decision due on June 11th. Kelleher Tyres site on Victoria Cross Rd (124 beds) and their 5 storey apartment block were asked for further information.
Tramore Valley Park: Despite being mostly completed years ago the park remains in limbo with regard to an opening date. This month Ann Doherty, chief executive of Cork City Council, said that the plan was to have the amenity open in ‘August or September.’
N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange: This is currently at the tender stage now with some time, a tender award is expected in Q2 2018. The project is expected to fully start in Q1 2019 as a comprehensive traffic management plan will have to be put in place by the contractor. Some site clearance and early works are ongoing at present, and some preliminary work is expected to go ahead in Q4 2018.
N22 Macroom to Ballyvourney (bypasses Macroom and Ballyvourney): The tender process for this started last week, with candidates invited to apply to the prequalification stage until early June. After this, candidates will be invited to tender in July 2018 when the official tender process will begin. The project is currently programmed to begin in Q1 2020 but there is scope for acceleration of this
M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy: This project was submitted to An Bord Pleanala in May 2017 and a decision was expected to be published in December 2017, which was delayed to April 2018 and still hasn't been released. The project has been held up by a small but vocal group of local individuals objecting on a range of fronts primarily environmental and related to noise and pollution, in addition to a belief that TII & Cork County Council are trying to create congestion in Rochestown and Douglas. The decision is expected ASAP however an appeal is expected if it is approved. A big "watch this space"...
M20 Cork-Limerick: This tender process for the design and planning of this scheme went out last week with route selection expected to begin in September 2018. The project, if approved, will likely start around 2022 and open in 2025/2026.
In Limbo
Event Centre: 6,000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Bad month for the events centre with construction put back to Q1 2019 at the earliest pending new planning permission
Ikea: Announced as a certainty for Carrigtwohill by The Examiner late last year. Ikea themselves poured some water over it a few months later but confirmed they are looking for a site in Cork. Nothing since bar this interesting tweet today:
https://twitter.com/IKEAUKSupport/status/1002178248602734597
Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last month but nothing materialized in terms of actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals. Nothing gain this month as I expected but somebody did do a cool mock up of the Prism and Anderson Quay:
https://i.redditmedia.com/TmKsBOTF0CC0MihMNomd-wzkHJBeRxpvfGQfmITURNs.png?
Student Accommodation: Coca-Cola site (484 beds) on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road (344 beds) has had planning for two years.
Penny's Patrick Street: A few days ago Lawrence Owens of the CBA said “This planning process has been going on for a long time,” “When it happens it will transform the area, and bring vibrancy in terms of the size and scale of the project. We are just hoping that this development, which has been mooted for two to three years, can happen sooner rather than later.” Don't hold your breath!
Merchants Quay: Has had planning permission since July 2015.The last article I found on it was from 2017 and said: It is understood that work won't begin until early next year to minimise disruption to shoppers over the coming Christmas shopping period, though sources close to the development are confident that the work will be finished by late 2018.
M40 Cork North Ring Road: This project was included in the National Development Plan and will be reactivated if there is a requirement to connect the M20 to the motorway network around Cork. The road remains a priority for people on the Northside (including Apple) but not to central Government.
N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton: This project is included in the National Development Plan having been suspended in 2011. The project will be sent for appraisal in 2018 and if it merits will be prioritised for delivery. The scheme was at route selection stage when suspended.
The remainder of schemes planned for Cork (N22 Macroom-Ovens, N25 Midleton-Youghal, N40 North Ring West, N71 dualling) all remain suspended.
Concept/Pre Planning
Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.
Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last month. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity. Rumored to be a residential development with over 1,000 apartments. I saw a deadline for the sale but can't remember the date, I think it was the end of July.
Transportation: A Cork light rail and/or BRT system got vague mentions in Ireland 2040 but its rumoured something more concrete will be announced at the end of the summer. Bus connects was allocated 300 million in funding in the 2040 plan. The Eastern Gateway Bridge remains a concept
I'll be watching out for the docklands development plan which is set to be released this month and should answer a lot of transportation questions as well as setting out some more long term plans for the area. It should also free up the Docklands Tower to apply for planning. The Sullivan's quay final decision will be late next month too.0 -
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Is that it?
I think BAM were looking to increase the bed count in the Sullivan's Quay proposal from 193 to 220, I don't know if that involved an increase in height, or if that idea has been shelved.
Also I think the "M" hotel adjacent to the Metropole may have been reduced in height, meaning the upper of the two 'bridges' between the two hotels isn't going to happen. Pity, if so!0 -
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snotboogie wrote: »June update
Under Construction
Navigation Square: Four building office development on the former Navigation House site on Albert Quay. 310,000 sq ft of office space for up to 3,000 employees. First phase to be completed Feb 19' Clearstream to be the anchor client
89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18' KPMG rumoured to be anchor client
Dalata Hotel South Mall: Six storey hotel, 165 beds. To be completed in December 18'
Student : Western Road/Muskerry Service Station (190 beds) has one crane and the Beamish site (413 beds) has two tower cranes erected. Copley Street (126 beds) should be finished by 2019 and Student Hub in UCC has one tower crane up.
Marina Park: Under construction with first phase to open in Q1 2019.
Industrial projects: Johnson & Johnson (biggest construction project in Cork), MSD, Eli Lilly (all above 100 million).
Hospital: New wing at Bons Secour has one tower crane and CUH oncology centre has one crane
There are currently 9 tower cranes in the city all listed above. Before people get too excited it should be kept in mind that the crane count is 78 in Dublin and around 23 in Belfast. Dublin is in a league of its own for a city of it's size in a developed nation, the scale of the current development and what's coming on stream there is in a whole other stratosphere to the rest of the Island. I couldn't find a crane count for Limerick but I believe the Hanging Gardens is under construction. Galway seems to have little interest in riding the current boom.
Planning/Appealed
Horgan's Quay: Office Space for 5,000 employees, 200 apartments, 136 bed hotel and 3,000 sq metres of restaurants and retail. Got planning permission in March but it was appealed by Port of Cork. Appeal withdrawn in April. Construction on the Hotel will hopefully begin this summer with the office and apartments commencing in 2019.
Sullivan's Quay: 6 storey Office & 193 bed, 12 storey, 4 star Hotel. Planning granted and immediately appealed. Given that demolition is nearly complete I'd expect this to go into construction as soon as planning is granted. Potential hold up over the height of the hotel, at 47 metres, it is set to make the top 20 tallest buildings in the state if completed. An Taisce not happy. Final planning decision delayed until June 29th.
The Prism: A 15 storey 70 metre office development on the triangle site on Clontarf Street. Planning lodged in the middle of May and a decision is due on the 10th of July.
Penrose Dock: 7 and 9 floor office development in the area bounded by Penrose quay, Railway street, Alfred street and Brian Boru street. Submitted for planning at the end of May, decision due on 19th of July.
Former Victoria Hotel: Knocking much of the Victoria and rebuilding to the back and refurbishing the original historic front/facade and to integrate the two sections into a new high order retail unit, of 25,000 sq ft, over four floors. Rumoured to be taken over by Zara. Planning granted in Feb, appealed with a decision due soon. (If somebody knows the date it would be great)
Metropole Redevelopment: €50m redevelopment of the Metropole Hotel to include a new five-storey boutique hotel on Patrick's Quay. Planning granted with amendments in March. No appeals and got full permission in April. No date for work to start.
MacCurtain Street/York Street Hotel: 8 floor 73 bed hotel. Planning granted in March, appealed soon after and withdrawn at the end of April. Construction to start before the end of the year.
Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting. No updates.
Student accommodation: Crows Nest (250 beds) has planning and should hopefully start at some stage this summer, UCC expect it open for Sept 2020. The Square Deal (228 beds) appeal was withdrawn and it now has full planning permission. O’Riordans Joinery (322 beds) was due for decision on the 24th of May but I've heard nothing? Farranlea Road (145 beds) had planning approved and decision due on June 11th. Kelleher Tyres site on Victoria Cross Rd (124 beds) and their 5 storey apartment block were asked for further information.
Tramore Valley Park: Despite being mostly completed years ago the park remains in limbo with regard to an opening date. This month Ann Doherty, chief executive of Cork City Council, said that the plan was to have the amenity open in ‘August or September.’
N8/N25/N40 Dunkettle Interchange: This is currently at the tender stage now with some time, a tender award is expected in Q2 2018. The project is expected to fully start in Q1 2019 as a comprehensive traffic management plan will have to be put in place by the contractor. Some site clearance and early works are ongoing at present, and some preliminary work is expected to go ahead in Q4 2018.
N22 Macroom to Ballyvourney (bypasses Macroom and Ballyvourney): The tender process for this started last week, with candidates invited to apply to the prequalification stage until early June. After this, candidates will be invited to tender in July 2018 when the official tender process will begin. The project is currently programmed to begin in Q1 2020 but there is scope for acceleration of this
M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy: This project was submitted to An Bord Pleanala in May 2017 and a decision was expected to be published in December 2017, which was delayed to April 2018 and still hasn't been released. The project has been held up by a small but vocal group of local individuals objecting on a range of fronts primarily environmental and related to noise and pollution, in addition to a belief that TII & Cork County Council are trying to create congestion in Rochestown and Douglas. The decision is expected ASAP however an appeal is expected if it is approved. A big "watch this space"...
M20 Cork-Limerick: This tender process for the design and planning of this scheme went out last week with route selection expected to begin in September 2018. The project, if approved, will likely start around 2022 and open in 2025/2026.
In Limbo
Event Centre: 6,000 all seater multi purpose event centre with a tourist brewery experience. Arguably the most controversial construction project in the history of the city. After a bleak 6 months at the back end of 2017 there have been two instances of positive murmurs from the Government and BAM in January 2018 and April 2018. Construction allegedly to start in Q4 2018 but there are still conflicting and contradictory statements from all parties involved. Bad month for the events centre with construction put back to Q1 2019 at the earliest pending new planning permission
Ikea: Announced as a certainty for Carrigtwohill by The Examiner late last year. Ikea themselves poured some water over it a few months later but confirmed they are looking for a site in Cork. Nothing since bar this interesting tweet today:
https://twitter.com/IKEAUKSupport/status/1002178248602734597
Anderson Quay/Camden Quay/Trinity Quarter: All have had planning for years with no work on site. Camden Quay allegedly had some work going on last month but nothing materialized in terms of actual construction. I can't see any of these sites being developed as per their current proposals. Nothing gain this month as I expected but somebody did do a cool mock up of the Prism and Anderson Quay:
https://i.redditmedia.com/TmKsBOTF0CC0MihMNomd-wzkHJBeRxpvfGQfmITURNs.png?
Student Accommodation: Coca-Cola site (484 beds) on the Carrigrohane Road has had planning for over a year but nothing has happened? Model Farm Road/Melbourne Road (344 beds) has had planning for two years.
Penny's Patrick Street: A few days ago Lawrence Owens of the CBA said “This planning process has been going on for a long time,” “When it happens it will transform the area, and bring vibrancy in terms of the size and scale of the project. We are just hoping that this development, which has been mooted for two to three years, can happen sooner rather than later.” Don't hold your breath!
Merchants Quay: Has had planning permission since July 2015.The last article I found on it was from 2017 and said: It is understood that work won't begin until early next year to minimise disruption to shoppers over the coming Christmas shopping period, though sources close to the development are confident that the work will be finished by late 2018.
M40 Cork North Ring Road: This project was included in the National Development Plan and will be reactivated if there is a requirement to connect the M20 to the motorway network around Cork. The road remains a priority for people on the Northside (including Apple) but not to central Government.
N25 Carrigtwohill-Midleton: This project is included in the National Development Plan having been suspended in 2011. The project will be sent for appraisal in 2018 and if it merits will be prioritised for delivery. The scheme was at route selection stage when suspended.
The remainder of schemes planned for Cork (N22 Macroom-Ovens, N25 Midleton-Youghal, N40 North Ring West, N71 dualling) all remain suspended.
Concept/Pre Planning
Docklands Tower: 40 storey mixed use tower with the redevelopment of the existing customs house warehouses into cultural, tourist and retail space. By a mile the most ambitious development in Ireland. Announced over one year ago and no sign of a planning permission application yet, allegedly waiting for the Docklands development plan this summer to rezone heights for the site. If we don't see a planning application by the end of the year I'd be worried.
Ford Distribution Depot: Put on sale last month. Former site of the extremely ambitious Atlantic Quarter. Major development opportunity. Rumored to be a residential development with over 1,000 apartments. I saw a deadline for the sale but can't remember the date, I think it was the end of July.
Transportation: A Cork light rail and/or BRT system got vague mentions in Ireland 2040 but its rumoured something more concrete will be announced at the end of the summer. Bus connects was allocated 300 million in funding in the 2040 plan. The Eastern Gateway Bridge remains a concept
I'll be watching out for the docklands development plan which is set to be released this month and should answer a lot of transportation questions as well as setting out some more long term plans for the area. It should also free up the Docklands Tower to apply for planning. The Sullivan's quay final decision will be late next month too.
Excellent post, some effort. Cork is at the beginning of major development boom. It is clearly a couple of years behind Dublin, but many years of limerick Galway and Waterford - in development activity terms.0 -
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snotboogie wrote: »89-90 South Mall: 50,000 sq ft office, 5 storey office building.To be completed in December 18' KPMG rumoured to be anchor client
89/90 is that building on the very right of picture, is that a seperate development in the centre of that picture (the white building?)
Any idea what the "mistake" was?snotboogie wrote: »Wilton Shopping Centre: €100 million revamp proposed. Mistake made in planning permission. In the process of resubmitting. No updates.0 -
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Anyone know what's going with this site at the end of the Mardyke, pretty much across the road from the sacred heart church? It's been sitting idle for ages now, would have thought it was tailor made for student accommodation
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Anyone know what's going with this site at the end of the Mardyke, pretty much across the road from the sacred heart church? It's been sitting idle for ages now, would have thought it was tailor made for student accommodation
Scandalous that they were ever given permission to demolish a nice terrace of houses here. Made no sense to me at the time and still doesn't.0 -
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