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The Virgin Media Television thread

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  • #102
    Onthe3rdDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Onthe3rdDay


    Elmo wrote: »
    TV3 plan to spend the money the save on the loss of Coro St and Emmerdale with €20m worth of imports. They will have one more season of UEFA Champions and Europa League. 3e's audience share has stagnated since 2011 at around 2% audience share as has UTV's at around 3%, though UTV isn't as widely available as 3e which is available across all platforms including Saorview and Sky.

    When you have percentages that low, a small rise or fall could actually come down to one or two extra people having 3e on or off. It's very hard to get accurate figures when you're that low down.

    The more I read these PR releases (and that's what they are) The more I think they're looking for a buyer, any buyer. It'll be interesting to see what happens 3 to 6 months after UTV Ireland takes to the air. You could see TV3 closing with very short notice if it looks like too much investment is needed to compete.


  • #103
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Onthe3rdDay wrote: »
    The more I read these PR releases (and that's what they are) The more I think they're looking for a buyer, any buyer. It'll be interesting to see what happens 3 to 6 months after UTV Ireland takes to the air. You could see TV3 closing with very short notice if it looks like too much investment is needed to compete.

    Though IMO what it has shown is the clear fact that all broadcasters are afraid of change and Irish broadcaster have been unable to change for their ownsake.

    Irish TV view is down from 55% in 2006 to less than 45% in 2013. (Excluding UTV).

    TV3 need someone with an ounce of balls to tell them that what they will have in 2015 is **** and they need to develop their schedule before the **** hits the fan.


  • #104
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,673 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Maybe Denis O'Brien has his eye on it, he doesn't own a TV channel here yet.


  • #105
    Onthe3rdDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Onthe3rdDay


    Elmo wrote: »
    Though IMO what it has shown is the clear fact that all broadcasters are afraid of change and Irish broadcaster have been unable to change for their ownsake.

    Irish TV view is down from 55% in 2006 to less than 45% in 2013. (Excluding UTV).

    TV3 need someone with an ounce of balls to tell them that what they will have in 2015 is **** and they need to develop their schedule before the **** hits the fan.

    I don't think all broadcasters are afraid of change. There are some outside of these Islands that have totally changed formats and turned stations around. In fact even RTE did it over 20 years ago with some success. Until RTE 2 changed to Network Two it was going nowhere with low viewing figures (for that time) Moving Kids programmes and Sports to the station gave it a huge boost and it was very successful during the 90's.

    IMO TV3 need to ditch their current format entirely. There are too many going after the same market, which appears to be women 25-54. They're number one in that market at the moment because of the soaps and the soaps alone. Once they move over to UTV. They'll automatically be third and be in real danger of falling further and further behind. I know few men that watch TV3 willingly not counting Vincent Browne.

    TV3 can be turned around but I'd be avoiding fans around this time next year if I was anywhere near the station.


  • #106
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The Cush wrote: »
    Maybe Denis O'Brien has his eye on it, he doesn't own a TV channel here yet.

    I can't see it, he only re-financed topaz, BAI got him to sell FM104 and Highland radio when he took over Emap radio stations. He would have to see that someone could turn TV3 around or that they could.

    EoS between NewsTalk and TV3 would be worthwhile but what does DoB get rid of? Well radio stations for a debt ridden TV channel?


  • #107
    Onthe3rdDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Onthe3rdDay


    Elmo wrote: »
    I can't see it, he only re-financed topaz, BAI got him to sell FM104 and Highland radio when he took over Emap radio stations. He would have to see unless someone knew to turn TV3 around that they could.

    EoS between NewsTalk and TV3 would be worthwhile but what does DoB get rid of? Well radio stations for a debt ridden TV channel?

    I'd agree with this. His stations are a success, (even if some of them don't make a profit) On no level has TV3 been successful. However, if the station needed a white Knight and He offered to help could you actually see The BAI blocking the way? (Obviously other competitors in the market would complain and probably stop the purchase)


  • #108
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    He cannot have TV3 AND the Indo. One has to be let go, and he has lost too much on the Indo to want to lose even more on TV3. Nor would he want to write off his losses on the Indo.


  • #109
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,588 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    He wasn't forced to sell Highland, he sold it as he never wanted it. Competition Authority ruling was that he had to sell 104 and that he was forbidden from running an competing agency radio sales house as the volume of stations he has would de-stabilise the existing two at the time (IRS and BMS). As it stands now, I believe they don't use IRS anymore anyway - their handle their own or use Mediacentral for the locals. TodayFM was the prize for buying EMAP Ireland with 104 a second if he was allowed keep it.


  • #110
    Onthe3rdDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Onthe3rdDay


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    He cannot have TV3 AND the Indo. One has to be let go, and he has lost too much on the Indo to want to lose even more on TV3. Nor would he want to write off his losses on the Indo.

    Plus the Indo has a much better chance of survival that TV3.


  • #111
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    I personally could not see one person being allowed own the only two national terrestrial free to air commercial television stations, in addition to the only two national commercial radio stations (even though the law specifically only allows one to exist!), the biggest selling national daily and Sunday newspapers, the only national evening newspaper, and a significant stake in the biggest morning free sheet.


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  • #112
    The Wild Bunch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭The Wild Bunch


    One thing I will say in TV3's defence - it's got some of the hottest pieces of ass on TV


  • #113
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    we might leave that type of talk in After Hours


  • #114
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    The Wild Bunch wrote: »
    One thing I will say in TV3's defence - it's got some of the hottest pieces of ass on TV

    If you can chip your way through the mask of make up.


  • #115
    The Wild Bunch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭The Wild Bunch


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    If you can chip your way through the mask of make up.


    Colette Fitzpatrick and Anna Daly ain't caked in make-up - you referring to the Xpose presenters?


  • #116
    radiowaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    If you can chip your way through the mask of make up.

    Are you sure that's not digital artefacts as a result of their PQ?


  • #117
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    According to the Indo VB is on 400,000 a year ????

    http://www.independent.ie/life/falling-ratings-but-tv3s-400k-anchor-isnt-about-to-step-down-30352214.html


  • #118
    Onthe3rdDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Onthe3rdDay


    Elmo wrote: »
    According to the Indo VB is on 400,000 a year ????

    http://www.independent.ie/life/falling-ratings-but-tv3s-400k-anchor-isnt-about-to-step-down-30352214.html

    He could be but that article has probably less authority that posters on boards. Do we really belilive classic lines like, "it is said" or "One TV3 Source said" That article seems to be short on facts. In other words a typical Indo piece.


  • #119
    ftakeith
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    http://www.independent.ie/business/media/rabbitte-to-begin-review-of-freetoair-sport-on-tv-30356759.html

    tv3 trying to get more sports rights on the cheap


  • #120
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    ftakeith wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/business/media/rabbitte-to-begin-review-of-freetoair-sport-on-tv-30356759.html

    tv3 trying to get more sports rights on the cheap

    no worries about Rabbitt making any decision then as by the time its concluded there will be a reshuffle of Minisiters.


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  • #121
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Meanwhile, yesterday's Business Post reports that 3e will be getting a new on air look towards the end of the year.


  • #122
    iseegirls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    icdg wrote: »
    Meanwhile, yesterday's Business Post reports that 3e will be getting a new on air look towards the end of the year.

    Thank god. It's desperately in need of a change. Any other information about it, like new programmes, or would it be a case of new idents. It's a pity Conan completely disappeared.


  • #123
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,871 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    no worries about Rabbitt making any decision then as by the time its concluded there will be a reshuffle of Minisiters.

    His predecessor made lasting decisions just as he walked out of the door for the last time.

    He could allow RTE to have advertising on RTE NN and use the wastes time of RTE 1+1 to be used for RTE Plus, and RTE 2 not have to broadcast childrens programmes while RTE Jr does the job. It would allow RTE greater ad revenue, not all coming from TV3 - most would come from UK broadcasters.

    This would allow RTE to fund a real news channel, and provide enough income to justify FOUR tv channels that they have to pay for using revenue from TWO.


  • #124
    JohnFalstaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭JohnFalstaff


    Elmo wrote: »
    Though IMO what it has shown is the clear fact that all broadcasters are afraid of change and Irish broadcaster have been unable to change for their ownsake.

    Irish TV view is down from 55% in 2006 to less than 45% in 2013. (Excluding UTV).

    TV3 need someone with an ounce of balls to tell them that what they will have in 2015 is **** and they need to develop their schedule before the **** hits the fan.

    TV3 had some of the most potentially interesting projects funded in the last BAI round. They received part funding for two drama projects by up and coming Irish directors - Mark O Connor's Cardboard Gangsters and Gerard Barrett's Apostles.

    These projects will most likely form part of their schedule in 2015. I think it's definitely a step in the right direction for the channel and looks to me like they are actively seeking to work with young Irish talent.


  • #125
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    tv3 though for all their bravado etc will have to face harsh reality in 2015. Advertisers only pay top rate for guaranteed ratings content like Coronation Street and Emmerdale, despite what they say about it being a loss leader for what they were asked to renew it for. The public service BAI funded programmes have not rated well on tv3 in the most and for a purely commerical station BAI funding does not make a viable long term business if you cant get enough advertising revenue.


  • #126
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    JohnFalstaff wrote: »
    TV3 had some of the most potentially interesting projects funded in the last BAI round. They received part funding for two drama projects by up and coming Irish directors - Mark O Connor's Cardboard Gangsters and Gerard Barrett's Apostles.

    These projects will most likely form part of their schedule in 2015. I think it's definitely a step in the right direction for the channel and looks to me like they are actively seeking to work with young Irish talent.

    So the tax payer bails them out of the loans from Anglo Irish and then the Licence fee bails them out of their commercial losses in 2015.

    I though it was interesting that in that round of BAI funding that TV3 did so well, it was as if the BAI want to some how protect TV3 as they have done in the past. I think that round was the best ever round for TV3.

    The loss of these shows is good for competition but having TV3, RTÉ ONE and UTV chase after a mainstream audience will see one of them fail. TV3 need to be aware of this. It will be interesting to see how well UTV do with the S&V fund.

    Cardboard Gangsters seem underfunded in comparison to the two other dramas.

    The other problem that BAI programming has on TV3 is that it surrounded by numerous of cheap news docs from TV3. And audiences see TV3 programming in that light.


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  • #127
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    iseegirls wrote: »
    Thank god. It's desperately in need of a change. Any other information about it, like new programmes, or would it be a case of new idents. It's a pity Conan completely disappeared.

    They're looking for students to submit ideas for idents. Nothing concrete in terms of programming other than a general move towards more home produced programmes and event driven content.


  • #128
    The Wild Bunch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭The Wild Bunch


    I'd pay out of my own pocket to have Sinead Desmond sacked....


  • #129
    ftakeith
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    The Wild Bunch wrote: »
    I'd pay out of my own pocket to have Sinead Desmond sacked....

    sinead desmond is ok

    irelandam makes me to go to work early


  • #130
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    ftakeith wrote: »
    sinead desmond is ok

    irelandam makes me to go to work early

    Is that a back handed compliment?

    Interest to see 3e change, damn pay wall!


  • #131
    The Wild Bunch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭The Wild Bunch


    ftakeith wrote: »
    sinead desmond is ok

    irelandam makes me to go to work early

    Jesus wept


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  • #132
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    Next person to make a comment on anyone's appearance gets a 48 hour ban. I meant it when I said this isn't After Hours


  • #133
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    icdg wrote: »
    They're looking for students to submit ideas for idents. Nothing concrete in terms of programming other than a general move towards more home produced programmes and event driven content.

    Too broke to pay an Agency then?


  • #134
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    watty wrote: »
    Too broke to pay an Agency then?

    http://www.businessandleadership.com/marketing/item/46415-3e-inviting-students-to-be/

    To be honest students will prob do a better job though bet they are constrained by the logo.

    Bizzaro branding of website www.3eTV.ie, why not www.tv3e.ie?

    Stupid name for a channel

    THREEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

    Backward steps

    Ireland-channel-6.jpg

    140px-3e%28tvchannel%29logo.png


  • #135
    icdg
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,867 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    I'm more surprised it has got its own website once again. At the time of the relaunch they were plugging tv3.ie as the "third arm of the TV3 Group" but obviously that strategy has changed.


  • #136
    EdmondShiels3
    Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭EdmondShiels3


    I think that 3e need to be more like e4, having more us programs and some Irish. They should stop repeating shows that were shown on tv3 and stop showing documentary on 3e and leave them on tv3.


  • #137
    iseegirls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    EdmondShiels3 wrote: »
    I think that 3e need to be more like e4, having more us programs and some Irish. They should stop repeating shows that were shown on tv3 and stop showing documentary on 3e and leave them on tv3.

    Repeating 3 hours of Ireland AM, and 2 hours of Midday and Late Lunch is ridiculous for a channel that is supposed to be about entertainment.

    On another note, Tales Of Irish Castles starts this Sunday at 6:15pm. A very odd slot, and is up against the news and a new nature doc on RTE at the same time. It goes to prove how little they believe in this show, when programmes after it are a 3rd showing of Family Fortunes, and a 2nd showing of Mr And Mrs. They should be promoting their original homegrown shows at a better time.

    And don't get me started on repeats of Ant And Dec's Sat Night Takeaway which are on Saturday at 7pm. These are episodes broadcast from a year and half ago. Such lazy scheduling.


  • #138
    ftakeith
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    I saw in today's irish mail on sunday

    that xpose will run for another 30minutes longer when emmerdale starts on utvI in 2015

    great proposed 2015 tv3 innovation

    what next bring back the 530pm tv3 weekend news for 2015

    another political show for ursula halligan


  • #139
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    iseegirls wrote: »
    On another note, Tales Of Irish Castles starts this Sunday at 6:15pm. A very odd slot, and is up against the news and a new nature doc on RTE at the same time.

    Both RTÉ and TV3 gave bad times to two BAI funded programmes. IMO.
    that xpose will run for another 30minutes longer when emmerdale starts on utvI in 2015

    That is seriously bad scheduling and programming making.


  • #140
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,618 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    ftakeith wrote: »
    I saw in today's irish mail on sunday

    that xpose will run for another 30minutes longer when emmerdale starts on utvI in 2015

    great proposed 2015 tv3 innovation

    what next bring back the 530pm tv3 weekend news for 2015

    another political show for ursula halligan

    cheap to produce and home made. fits tv3's claim that it really is an indigenous irish broadcaster that dosent rely on imports!


  • #141
    iseegirls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    ftakeith wrote: »
    that xpose will run for another 30minutes longer when emmerdale starts on utvI in 2015

    Maybe they'll have it live with studio guests along with features. Although it would be a huge struggle to fit 5 hours a week with fashion and entertainment.


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  • #142
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #143
    Onthe3rdDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Onthe3rdDay


    ftakeith wrote: »
    I saw in today's irish mail on sunday

    that xpose will run for another 30minutes longer when emmerdale starts on utvI in 2015

    great proposed 2015 tv3 innovation

    what next bring back the 530pm tv3 weekend news for 2015

    another political show for ursula halligan

    This really does prove they don't know what they're up to. Like it or not Xpose does do what it says on the tin and it works for the audience it's aimed at. It's possibly the only TV3 show that actually filled a gap in the market. However the length it's at right now is basically the length that audience is interested in. Make it longer and they'll drift away. Of course TV3 will then go and blame UTV for that as well.


  • #144
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Onthe3rdDay wrote: »
    This really does prove they don't know what they're up to. Like it or not Xpose does do what it says on the tin and it works for the audience it's aimed at. It's possibly the only TV3 show that actually filled a gap in the market. However the length it's at right now is basically the length that audience is interested in. Make it longer and they'll drift away. Of course TV3 will then go and blame UTV for that as well.

    Even at 30mins 5 days a week Xposé is too much for a fairly niche market. As a brand it works, I wouldn't get rid of the show but I'd think of reducing it down to one hour long episode, with 5 different 30min shows from the production team.

    TV3 will basically be wall to wall studio programming, this won't attract an audience.

    Last time I checked Xposé has 60 to 90 thousand viewers.


  • #145
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #146
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    Not to be sexist but Women between the ages of 15 and 45 is a demographic and a niche within that.


  • #147
    iseegirls
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,041 ✭✭✭iseegirls


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    So 90,000 people are going to watch the show, only so they can wait for Come Dine With Me. That's amazing analysis. :rolleyes:

    The show provides an alternative to what else is available at that time - News (RTE1, BBC, ITV, 3e), The Simpsons (RTE2, Channel 4), Eggheads (BBC2)


  • #148
    EdmondShiels3
    Registered Users Posts: 489 ✭✭EdmondShiels3


    With it going to a hour, it will take up more time with repeats. They need to get away form cheap looking studio programming. They are looking to fill time now and if you they are filling time till there best program is on god help them because their best programs are ****.


  • #149
    Onthe3rdDay
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,194 ✭✭✭Onthe3rdDay


    Fred Swanson wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    You'd be correct about people waiting for it to finish. It's one of those programmes certain people turn on because they don't want to watch the news. Those not in the know would underestimate how many people leave the TV on just for the sake of it. Advertisers have known about this for decades. The Test card on RTE 2 before the days of Aertel used to get 30,000 viewers (and more) if music was played along with it.


  • #150
    The Wild Bunch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭The Wild Bunch


    Do the Xpose makers and presenters actually realise how vacuous the whole shebang is?


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  • #151
    ftakeith
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    is 'come dine with me' an itv studios made programme


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