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Aer Lingus Fleet/ Routes Discussion Pt 2 (ALL possible routes included)

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    #752
    kevinandrew
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    EI-FAS is currently on approach to Belfast City after positioning from Kerry, where it had previously been in storage.

    The new base doesn’t commence operations till later this month I thought?


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    #753
    donkey balls
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    The other half was due to go away the third weekend to LPA this month with the girls and was e mailed to say it was cancelled, Just had a look on the EI app and flights to TFS/LPA nothing showing

    Yet for ACE their is plenty of dates available any reason why flying to just one of the islands.


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    #754
    Tenger
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    donkey balls wrote: »
    The other half was due to go away the third weekend to LPA this month with the girls and was e mailed to say it was cancelled, Just had a look on the EI app and flights to TFS/LPA nothing showing

    Yet for ACE their is plenty of dates available any reason why flying to just one of the islands.

    Probably demand driven. LPA bookings have all changed date or there is no uptake on the current tickets. Whereas ACE maybe seeing people buying tickets. I personally know of 2 older couples who are going to ACE next weekend.


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    #755
    Kcormahs
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    Aer Lingus to operate chartered flights to India and China next month. Any update on this?


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    #756
    Nijmegen
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    Kcormahs wrote: »
    Aer Lingus to operate chartered flights to India and China next month. Any update on this?

    On behalf of the Universities, presumably? I know Queen's is doing it.


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    #757
    Kcormahs
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    Nijmegen wrote: »
    On behalf of the Universities, presumably? I know Queen's is doing it.

    Yeah seems to be students


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    #758
    Jack1985
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    A321neoLR operating with tech stops to India.


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    #759
    duskyjoe
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    Jack1985 wrote: »
    A321neoLR operating with tech stops to India.

    Yeah roight ! :)


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    #760
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    duskyjoe wrote: »
    Yeah roight ! :)

    Had the same reaction, but it's revenue deciding what gives best return for EI and when your loosing money each day I don't think anyone is going to argue with it.

    Fixed amount of pax to be transported at later stages; planning is to use A321neoLR for those legs where even with tech stops it's cheaper than sending an A330 - This may change if required seats were to change for those legs.

    A330 will be operating DUB-PEK charter; in addition DUB-AUH and operating a shuttle between AUH-DEL to avoid EI crew night stopping in India.


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    #761
    smurfjed
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    @Jack1985, whats the purpose of these flights? Students ?


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    #762
    Jack1985
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    @Jack1985, whats the purpose of these flights? Students ?

    I believe so.


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    #763
    Kcormahs
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    These charter flights will be in a very minimised frequency and will be a two weeks operation from what I am hearing.

    Also with the worsening situation on cases and government to extend further measures to passengers arriving from outside the EU, we may see Aer Lingus suspending the US operation for pax and only keeping cargo for a period of 4 to 7 months. Extra redundancies may be announced adding up to the numbers previously mentioned. Aer Lingus could keep the current 2021 operation plans with 800 cabin crew in DUB. For pilots it won’t cut numbers as union reached a deal with management. Not sure about groundstaff.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/department-preparing-options-for-restricting-non-essential-travel-from-countries-with-high-virus-rates-5171398-Aug2020/


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    #764
    Tenger
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    Kcormahs wrote: »
    ...........

    ............... Aer Lingus could keep the current 2021 operation plans with 800 cabin crew in DUB. For pilots it won’t cut numbers as union reached a deal with management. Not sure about groundstaff..........

    800 from the current 2000! Thats vicious.

    Regarding the pilots; I had read that the agreement had timed retun to wages (think it was 60% in Oct, 70% in Jan, 90% in April)
    If the fligth operation remains under 50% that agreement is problematic for EI.


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    #765
    Kcormahs
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    Tenger wrote: »
    800 from the current 2000! Thats vicious.

    Regarding the pilots; I had read that the agreement had timed retun to wages (think it was 60% in Oct, 70% in Jan, 90% in April)
    If the fligth operation remains under 50% that agreement is problematic for EI.

    1700 odd and thats with all the bases in the republic. No where close to 2000 anymore I am afraid. (Everyone who was on a fixed term contract was let go. This was 2019 and 2020 crew)

    I agree with you in regards to the pilots


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    #766
    California Dreamer
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    I am only spitballing here and could be very wrong BUT would be easier to get and train cabin crew than suitable A320/A330 pilots so thats why they are in a better position to retain staff pay levels?

    Just because you are 320 rated does not mean you are EI 320 trained.


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    #767
    Qprmeath
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    Ingrid Miley bit slow on the redundancy package news?


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    #768
    LXFlyer
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    Qprmeath wrote: »
    Ingrid Miley bit slow on the redundancy package news?

    Is it really anyone’s business apart from the employees and the company?


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    #769
    Mc Love
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    LXFlyer wrote: »
    Is it really anyone’s business apart from the employees and the company?

    I'd agree but she is leaked news the whole time, she might as well have an office there and work as their PR person


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    #770
    HTCOne
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    Mc Love wrote: »
    I'd agree but she is leaked news the whole time, she might as well have an office there and work as their PR person

    Management of companies tip media off in advance of negotiations / announcements to get “their” spin on things out into the public domain before staff / unions can counter said spin.


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    #771
    Jack1985
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    Aer Lingus have pulled previous intention to operate charter flights to India.


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    #772
    rivegauche
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    https://www.anna.aero/2020/08/18/aer-lingus-to-use-a321neos-to-newark-toronto-with-its-a330-300s-having-50-higher-costs-rdc-apex-platform-shows/

    anna.aero analysis of costs of operating A321 Neos versus the A330.

    As far as I can see it is a case of gain consistent results at the expense of maximising potential profit but there is a lot more to the article than that.


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    #773
    BZ
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    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Aer Lingus have pulled previous intention to operate charter flights to India.

    Any reason behind their decision, surely would of been a money maker?


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    #774
    kevinandrew
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    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Aer Lingus have pulled previous intention to operate charter flights to India.

    I guess they deemed it wasn’t worth their while?


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    #775
    Tarabuses
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    kevinandrew wrote: »
    I guess they deemed it wasn’t worth their while?

    Didn't the Universities cancel the arrangement?


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    #776
    Tenger
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    Jack1985 wrote: »
    Aer Lingus have pulled previous intention to operate charter flights to India.

    Withdrawn their tender for the operation or the charters themselves were cancelled?


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    #777
    Jack1985
    Registered Users Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    BZ wrote: »
    Any reason behind their decision, surely would of been a money maker?
    kevinandrew wrote: »
    I guess they deemed it wasn’t worth their while?
    Tenger wrote: »
    Withdrawn their tender for the operation or the charters themselves were cancelled?

    I don't know I'm afraid, other than that the whole programme of flying is scrapped.

    Personally I had thought prior the achilles heel was that EK fly from multiple points in India via DXB to Dublin and have ample capacity at the moment to fill - Of course the flights mightn't even be going full stop as they could have been pulled by Uni's.


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    #778
    joeysoap
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    Bad and all as going to golf dinners in Clifden is are you’d want rocks in yourhead to visit India ATM.
    Over 68,000 cases yesterday.


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    #779
    Cookiemunster
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    joeysoap wrote: »
    Bad and all as going to golf dinners in Clifden is are you’d want rocks in yourhead to visit India ATM.
    Over 68,000 cases yesterday.


    Nobody was traveling to India. The proposed charters were to bring Indian university students to Ireland.


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    #780
    jamo2oo9
    Registered Users Posts: 5,780 ✭✭✭jamo2oo9


    joeysoap wrote: »
    Bad and all as going to golf dinners in Clifden is are you’d want rocks in yourhead to visit India ATM.
    Over 68,000 cases yesterday.

    1. Charter flights to India were to bring students to Ireland. It's not a charter flight for tourists. It's possible that some may fly on it to India to return home but that seems quite unlikely.

    2. Numbers don't mean anything unless you compare it. 68,000 cases in India seems high but they have 1.3 billion people living there. India is actually doing better than Ireland when you break the number of cases per million. India is about 2,100 whereas Ireland is at 5,600.


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    #781
    kona
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    jamo2oo9 wrote: »
    1. Charter flights to India were to bring students to Ireland. It's not a charter flight for tourists. It's possible that some may fly on it to India to return home but that seems quite unlikely.

    2. Numbers don't mean anything unless you compare it. 68,000 cases in India seems high but they have 1.3 billion people living there. India is actually doing better than Ireland when you break the number of cases per million. India is about 2,100 whereas Ireland is at 5,600.

    Honestly, do you think, considering some people there actually live out of piles of rubbish or have no idea of social distancing, that those figures are either accurate or present the actual picture?

    Probably 68k people in a certain caste tbh.


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