RTE 1: 'Today' with Claire Byrne

Infoanon · 08-01-2021 4:27pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Bríd Smith getting a new one busted out for her on CB

That lad is taking no bull from her.

Slightly exaggerating their Brendan ! ,if anyone got 'a new one busted out' for them it was Patrick O Donovan who received a killer punch from Claire no less.

Patrick O Donovan interrupting Smith later might play to his own audience but it doesn't play to the majority.

You can agree or a disagree with Smiths zero covid strategy but O Donovan saying it doesn't exist after getting a sucker punch from Claire on government ignoring NPHET earlier does not play out well.

jippo nolan · 08-01-2021 5:43pm

Patrick O Donaghue, is he the man trapped in a boys body?

Brendan Bendar · 08-01-2021 5:56pm

Infoanon wrote: »

Slightly exaggerating their Brendan ! ,if anyone got 'a new one busted out' for them it was Patrick O Donovan who received a killer punch from Claire no less.

Patrick O Donovan interrupting Smith later might play to his own audience but it doesn't play to the majority.

You can agree or a disagree with Smiths zero covid strategy but O Donovan saying it doesn't exist after getting a sucker punch from Claire on government ignoring NPHET earlier does not play out well.

Info, we have to study the situation closely and the nuances involved.

First of all what I was referring to was the fact that Patrick didn’t let himself be ridden ragged by Smith like she normally does.

Let’s ignore the content for a while here.

You see it’s very easy for those with no skin in the game like Smith .

The Government have to take all the nuances into account, you are putting thousands out of work and have to take care of the fallout and all the intricacies associated with these decisions.

I could say... “Shut the country down for three months and Bobs your uncle”. I don’t have to look at the 360 degree view, and that’s NPHETs view.

So sorry Info you make valid points but we need to look at the problems in the round.

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 6:18pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Info, we have to study the situation closely and the nuances involved.

First of all what I was referring to was the fact that Patrick didn’t let himself be ridden ragged by Smith like she normally does.

Let’s ignore the content for a while here.

You see it’s very easy for those with no skin in the game like Smith .

The Government have to take all the nuances into account, you are putting thousands out of work and have to take care of the fallout and all the intricacies associated with these decisions.

I could say... “Shut the country down for three months and Bobs your uncle”. I don’t have to look at the 360 degree view, and that’s NPHETs view.

So sorry Info you make valid points but we need to look at the problems in the round.

That wasn't the issue being discussed.
The issue was the government taking the 360 view, making a balls of it and having to revert again and again to the advice they were fecking given in the frst place.

Criticise the radio show...not some pretend show.

Brendan Bendar · 08-01-2021 6:35pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

That wasn't the issue being discussed.
The issue was the government taking the 360 view, making a balls of it and having to revert again and again to the advice they were fecking given in the frst place.

Criticise the radio show...not some pretend show.

I think the populace made a balls of it, Francie, couldn’t hold back and follow the instructions given, then of course blame the Govt for everything.

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 6:39pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

I think the populace made a balls of it, Francie, couldn’t hold back and follow the instructions given, then of course blame the Govt for everything.

We already know the FG cohort here blame the people. But the adults in the room know the government of the day have responsibilities for which they are accountable.

We also know that cohort like to take it out on those who want to hold them to account. Be it radio/television journalists, the opposition and even satirists/comedians.

Brendan Bendar · 08-01-2021 7:01pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

We already know the FG cohort here blame the people. But the adults in the room know the government of the day have responsibilities for which they are accountable.

We also know that cohort like to take it out on those who want to hold them to account. Be it radio/television journalists, the opposition and even satirists/comedians.

We also know that those who have the chutzpah to evaluate the big picture and evaluate the real reasons for our current dilemma,are not quite so thick as to try to blame the govt. for everything.

:P

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 7:06pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

We also know that those who have the chutzpah to evaluate the big picture and evaluate the real reasons for our current dilemma,are not quite so thick as to try to blame the govt. for everything.

:P

Nobody is blaming the government for 'everything' (that is a delusion of overly sensitive souls) they are though blaming them for getting things within their sphere of responsiblity profoundly wrong again and again. I.E. having to U-Turn and follow advice that they arrogantly ignored or thought they knew better.

dulpit · 08-01-2021 9:14pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

We also know that those who have the chutzpah to evaluate the big picture and evaluate the real reasons for our current dilemma,are not quite so thick as to try to blame the govt. for everything.

:P

I'm blaming the government. I can take personal responsibility for my own actions, but I don't have any control over people who, quite legally, were going to restaurants every night of the week leading up to Christmas, and socialising with friends and family. The government could have controlled that, but didn't.

Brendan Bendar · 08-01-2021 9:44pm

dulpit wrote: »

I'm blaming the government. I can take personal responsibility for my own actions, but I don't have any control over people who, quite legally, were going to restaurants every night of the week leading up to Christmas, and socialising with friends and family. The government could have controlled that, but didn't.

By doing what, instituting a day and night curfew.

This is not a police state, in case we haven’t noticed.

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 11:07pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

By doing what, instituting a day and night curfew.

This is not a police state, in case we haven’t noticed.

By following the advice of NPHET who warned that if the gvernment did what they insisted on doing -twice, the numbers would escalate out of control.

Today the numbers are at almost 8,300 and our ICU beds are filling up.

pinkyeye · 08-01-2021 11:08pm

Come on lads, we can not blame the government for what's happening now. It's purely and simply down to individual actions in gathering in groups over Christmas.

Absolutely nothing they do or don't do now will have any effect unless people start limiting their contacts and stay the fcuk away from each other.

I work in a nursing home and our chef was recently diagnosed positive, apart from being the most careful person I know, didn't sit with anyone at lunch time, didn't meet up with her boyfriend, nothing and still she has been diagnosed positive because other ****ing idiots brought it into our nursing home by having parties.

Now her parents, who are both in their 80's have both been diagnosed positive. I will not sleep well tonight wondering will she lose one of them because of gob****es.

Brendan Bendar · 08-01-2021 11:11pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

By following the advice of NPHET who warned that if the gvernment did what they insisted on doing -twice, the numbers would escalate out of control.

Today the numbers are at almost 8,300 and our ICU beds are filling up.

And if the public had followed the advice of the govt that wouldn’t have happened..

Pat wanted Xmas and he/she was having it ...and now we are paying.

End of.

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 11:12pm

pinkyeye wrote: »

Come on lads, we can not blame the government for what's happening now. It's purely and simply down to individual actions in gathering in groups over Christmas.

Absolutely nothing they do or don't do now will have any effect unless people start limiting their contacts and stay the fcuk away from each other.

I work in a nursing home and our chef was recently diagnosed positive, apart from being the most careful person I know, didn't sit with anyone at lunch time, didn't meet up with her boyfriend, nothing and still she has been diagnosed positive because other ****ing idiots brought it into our nursing home by having parties.

Now her parents, who are both in their 80's have both been diagnosed positive. I will not sleep well tonight wondering will she lose one of them because of gob****es.

They opened up hospitality and allowed a range of activity now banned. They were told of the consequences of that by the experts. They ignored it.

You cannot tell people they can do things and then blame them for doing it.

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 11:13pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

And if the public had followed the advice of the govt that wouldn’t have happened..

Pat wanted Xmas and he/she was having it ...and now we are paying.

End of.

Retail and gatherings WERE allowed in the run up to Christmas Brendi.

Brendan Bendar · 08-01-2021 11:15pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They opened up hospitality and allowed a range of activity now banned. They were told of the consequences of that by the experts. They ignored it.

You cannot tell people they can do things and then blame them for doing it.

End of, Francie.

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 11:16pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

End of, Francie.

What?

Brendan Bendar · 08-01-2021 11:19pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Retail and gatherings WERE allowed in the run up to Christmas Brendi.

Not at the level Pat dipped his feet in.

I could outline the amount of parties, lack of social distancing, crowds ,in numerous house parties, near where I live over Xmas AND beyond.

Pat went mad, and now we pay.

pinkyeye · 08-01-2021 11:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They opened up hospitality and allowed a range of activity now banned. They were told of the consequences of that by the experts. They ignored it.

You cannot tell people they can do things and then blame them for doing it.

It is not hospitality that spread it. It's house gatherings. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 11:24pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Not at the level Pat dipped his feet in.

I could outline the amount of parties, lack of social distancing, crowds ,in numerous house parties, near where I live over Xmas AND beyond.

Pat went mad, and now we pay.

Ah the anecdote that matches your defence...great.

So why are there no gatherings now brendi? Why were there none when the figures were brought down below 200.

Take your time working it out.

FrancieBrady · 08-01-2021 11:29pm

Apologies to Radio forum...got drawn into Brendi's valiant defence of FG again and now realise it's off topic here. Sorry.

RINO87 · 09-01-2021 2:07pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Not at the level Pat dipped his feet in.

I could outline the amount of parties, lack of social distancing, crowds ,in numerous house parties, near where I live over Xmas AND beyond.

Pat went mad, and now we pay.

Pat hasn't been in this slot in 6/7 years! What's he got to do with it??

Sorry....

09-01-2021 2:21pm

People take as many chances with life as they feel they can get away with, seems to be human nature. During an emergency like this stage of the pandemic it appears we need to be more regulated by authorities than in ordinary times, simply to save lives and manage availability of folk to look after health & other services.

Anyway this is more a discussion for the main Covid forum, so please let's try and keep it at that and keep next discussion to whatever aspect is next brought up on Today with Claire Byrne, on Monday.

Macy0161 · 11-01-2021 10:31am

The Government went with the political realities over Christmas - people would've ignored the advice, so what is the Boards SF representative suggesting should've happened? Gardai doing house to house checks on Christmas Day?

Similarly, here in Wicklow over the weekend that it's pretty obvious that compliance with the 5km travel restrictions and meeting with others outside is being ignored, despite that being the current level of restrictions.

Losty Dublin · 11-01-2021 11:25am

Bloody hell! Leo is literally falling all over the place here, almost begging to be shown up by Claire and she can't even spot it let alone ask him the hard question!! Ray D'Darcy or Des Cahill could have finished him off FFS.

Infoanon · 11-01-2021 11:31am

Leo chuckling as Claire tells him we are the worst in the world.....followed up by "a million will be vaccinated by the end of March".....only after Claire picked him up on it did he change the dates to May.

Leo is having a mare here ,if only SOR was doing this interview.

Update - Claire landing a few punches now - Norma Foley , Yesterday's leak and the government legitimising it.

Leo very poor today.

mgn · 11-01-2021 11:39am

It sounds like a chat over coffee with two friends, nice friendly chat.

When Leo cant answer a question, she answers it for him in case it looks bad for him, unbelievable.

Cole · 11-01-2021 11:58am

Ah lads save yourself the stress and get over to Pat...got stuck into Anne O'Connor from the HSE and Miceal Martin this morning. Even though I'm behind the HSE/NPHET/the gov., I like to hear Pat properly challenge them and have the odd freak out on some of the fcuk ups.

RIP the Today show.

wirelessdude01 · 11-01-2021 12:15pm

mgn wrote: »

It sounds like a chat over coffee with two friends, nice friendly chat.

When Leo cant answer a question, she answers it for him in case it looks bad for him, unbelievable.

She is useless at what she is meant to do. SOR must be listening to this and shaking his head.

Losty Dublin · 11-01-2021 12:19pm

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

She is useless at what she is meant to do. SOR must be listening to this and shaking his head.

More like shaking his pension book; he's retired since the summer and he won't be back

Brendan Bendar · 11-01-2021 2:59pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

More like shaking his pension book; he's retired since the summer and he won't be back

His former colleagues at the Big Birthday Bash didn’t do him any favours.

Not much chance of slipping in under the radar after that ....for a good while anaway.

walshb · 12-01-2021 6:14pm

I'm still scratching me head wondering when Byrne is going to show some semblance of being a broadcaster...

NIMAN · 12-01-2021 6:16pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

His former colleagues at the Big Birthday Bash didn’t do him any favours.

Not much chance of slipping in under the radar after that ....for a good while anaway.

I have no doubt SOR will be back on our screens/radio at some point.

They will let the heat die down, but he'll be back.
I'd guess sometime next year, 2022.

FrancieBrady · 12-01-2021 6:23pm

NIMAN wrote: »

I have no doubt SOR will be back on our screens/radio at some point.

They will let the heat die down, but he'll be back.
I'd guess sometime next year, 2022.

They'll try and do it like Leo slipped the senators back on a big news day like today.

Robert McGrath · 12-01-2021 10:42pm

I hope he is back. He was good

Losty Dublin · 18-01-2021 11:05am

Another week of flimsy student journalism and teenager fluff....

On today's show we let a Sinn Fein TD talk aggressively for 20 minutes without so much as a fact check; Rick O'Shea pops in between links on his radio show to talk about a book we gave him 5 minutes ago, we review the weekends soaps and Covid19; what brand of foundation and blusher do our nurses wear?

Brendan Bendar · 18-01-2021 11:13am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They'll try and do it like Leo slipped the senators back on a big news day like today.

Or like MaryLou who did nothing at all to Stanno, Cullinane, or the fat dude from Tipp.

Just complied with the Army Council instructions.

But we won’t derail the thread

NIMAN · 18-01-2021 1:01pm

So tonight on the TV show she is going to be doing a "Brexit shop".

Another mock-up in the studio then!

Just think, there is probably a team of guys now in RTE, all well paid, making up a mini supermarket for Claire to shop in tonight.

mgn · 18-01-2021 1:29pm

NIMAN wrote: »

So tonight on the TV show she is going to be doing a "Brexit shop".

Another mock-up in the studio then!

Just think, there is probably a team of guys now in RTE, all well paid, making up a mini supermarket for Claire to shop in tonight.

Probably started working on it yesterday to get the double time for Sunday.

Losty Dublin · 18-01-2021 3:37pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Just think, there is probably a team of guys now in RTE, all well paid, making up a mini supermarket for Claire to shop in tonight.

Even with there being perfectly fine shops on the sets of both Fair City and Ros na Run. Plus, it should offer some overtime for the set hands.

serfboard · 18-01-2021 4:31pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

On today's show we let a Sinn Fein TD talk aggressively for 20 minutes without so much as a fact check

You must be listening to a different show to me if you think that Sinn Fein TDs are the only ones who get away lightly on this programme - this morning's interview with Paschal Donohoe being a case in point.

Losty Dublin · 19-01-2021 12:30am

serfboard wrote: »

You must be listening to a different show to me if you think that Sinn Fein TDs are the only ones who get away lightly on this programme - this morning's interview with Paschal Donohoe being a case in point.

I don't think they are the only ones who get off lightly on the show.

Everybody gets away lightly on the show.

jippo nolan · 19-01-2021 12:37am

See you again love, I’ve some broccoli to look at!

Losty Dublin · 20-01-2021 12:45pm

Weddings again :rolleyes:

Will Yam · 20-01-2021 1:42pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

I don't think they are the only ones who get off lightly on the show.

Everybody gets away lightly on the show.

But is the purpose of these shows not to allow the LISTNER to hear the opinions of the interviewees?

And not to have interviewer attack dogs pursue interviewees to show how great they are?

I’m not a great fan of Byrne but in fairness to her her interviews are relatively calm and do allow us to hear what the interviewees have to say.

Contrast that with Newsrant, where you have Ciara Screechy Kelly with her endless questions. If she were to ask somebody what time is it she would probably ask “can you tell me what time is it - is it 8 o’clock or a quarter to 8 and if it was the same time this time tomorrow would it be 7 o’clock or a quarter past 7 and is it really that time or is that just a figment of our imagination “ and on, and on, and on.

And as for Pat Kenny Ive got sick and tired of him /endlessly harrumphing about how awful everything is, how much better it would have been if anyone had listened to him, how much he knows, and by God does he let us know it!

Rant over!!

dulpit · 20-01-2021 1:55pm

Will Yam wrote: »

But is the purpose of these shows not to allow the LISTNER to hear the opinions of the interviewees?

Opinions and facts are not the same thing though.

serfboard · 20-01-2021 2:30pm

Will Yam wrote: »

But is the purpose of these shows not to allow the LISTNER to hear the opinions of the interviewees?

And not to have interviewer attack dogs pursue interviewees to show how great they are?

I’m not a great fan of Byrne but in fairness to her her interviews are relatively calm and do allow us to hear what the interviewees have to say.

I'd have a different standard when it comes to politicians and to ordinary members of the public.

Ordinary members of the public shouldn't be continuously interrupted, but politicians should, because invariably they're either clueless or lying.

I think Sean O'Rourke had this balance right - attack-dog style for the politicians when he smelled bullsh1t, and a more gentle style for everyone else.

Claire takes the gentle approach to everyone, which is why her interviewing politicians makes for very poor listening, IMO.

Losty Dublin · 20-01-2021 2:31pm

Will Yam wrote: »

But is the purpose of these shows not to allow the LISTNER to hear the opinions of the interviewees?

And not to have interviewer attack dogs pursue interviewees to show how great they are?

I’m not a great fan of Byrne but in fairness to her her interviews are relatively calm and do allow us to hear what the interviewees have to say.

By all means let them say their bit but don't give them free reign and don't let them set neither the agenda nor the pace.

CB is fronting a news and current affairs show. Typically these shows are about expanding, breaking down and explaining the news with those who make the stories. Where the presenter or host slot in here is that they need to tackle the stories and to expand the facts for us. Inevitably this means awkward, hard and occasionally antagonistic questions.

CB is unable or unwilling to do any of this and it's hurting the schedule. Editorially it appears that the shows direction is dictated by her weaknesses on air, and that is not a good thing for RTÉ to be fostering. Perhaps we were spoilt with SOR in recent years when he replaced PK but as it is now, the show is a pale imitation of what we have come to expect from the timeslot.

Brendan Bendar · 20-01-2021 2:36pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

By all means let them say their bit but don't give them free reign and don't let them set neither the agenda nor the pace.

CB is fronting a news and current affairs show. Typically these shows are about expanding, breaking down and explaining the news with those who make the stories. Where the presenter or host slot in here is that they need to tackle the stories and to expand the facts for us. Inevitably this means awkward, hard and occasionally antagonistic questions.

CB is unable or unwilling to do any of this and it's hurting the schedule. Editorially it appears that the shows direction is dictated by her weaknesses on air, and that is not a good thing for RTÉ to be fostering. Perhaps we were spoilt with SOR in recent years when he replaced PK but as it is now, the show is a pale imitation of what we have come to expect from the timeslot.

Correct Losty.....the whole tenet of the show has slid down many notches in the ‘ must listen to’ stakes.

Getting very much moved into the ‘weak and watery ‘ division.

See my post on the MI thread posted this morning ref Audrey Carville.

serfboard · 20-01-2021 3:03pm

Losty Dublin wrote: »

CB is unable or unwilling to do any of this and it's hurting the schedule. Editorially it appears that the shows direction is dictated by her weaknesses on air, and that is not a good thing for RTÉ to be fostering. Perhaps we were spoilt with SOR in recent years when he replaced PK but as it is now, the show is a pale imitation of what we have come to expect from the timeslot.

And the thing is that this downhill trajectory of the show was preventable if they had left Sarah McInerney in the slot.

RTE 1: 'Today' with Claire Byrne

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