New tv for series x

Cyrus · 13-11-2020 8:29am

Monolake wrote: »

Slightly off topic, but where do we stand with gaming monitors for next gen? Are there many on the market that fully capitalise on what the PS5 or Series X offers. Should we expect 4K HDR 10 monitors to become more prevalent?

When I finally make the switch to PS5 I will be on a gaming monitor only. I tried out a 27" monitor with my One X and frankly there is no going back from it. I had hitherto been a graduate of the school of Bigger is Better but now I feel that a big panel is simply awful for gaming. Those pesky PC overlords were correct all along.

I can only assume your monitor was better than your tv spec wise ? The best TVs will be awesome how could a 4k 120 hz 65inch tv not be amazing ?

Hurrache · 13-11-2020 10:02am

theteal wrote: »

I dont want to turn it in to one of those threads but I cant let posts like this go without a response. Burn in or image retention is still very much a factor. If it were not a factor, why have LG Display changed the subpixel structure in almost every annual revision in an effort to combat it (along with additional features e.g. pixel refresh etc.)?

Anything can be a problem if there isn't precautions to prevent it.

Re AVforums, there's plenty of people who have also bought successive OLED TVs, it doesn't mean much. Like all forums, those with issues, or are fanboys, post the strongest.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/real-life-oled-burn-in-test

Update 05/31/2019: The TVs have now been running for over 9000 hours (around 5 years at 5 hours every day). Uniformity issues have developed on the TVs displaying Football and FIFA 18, and are starting to develop on the TV displaying Live NBC. Our stance remains the same, we don't expect most people who watch varied content without static areas to experience burn-in issues with an OLED TV.

Original statement from 11/05/2018: After more than 5000 hours, there has been no appreciable change to the brightness or color gamut of these TVs. Long periods of static content have resulted in some permanent burn-in (see the CNN TVs), however the other TVs with more varied content don't yet have noticeable uniformity issues on normal content. As a result, we don't expect most people who watch varied content without static areas to experience burn-in issues with an OLED TV. Those who display the same static content over long periods of time should consider the risk of burn-in though (such as those who watch lots of news, use the TV as a PC monitor, or play the same game with a bright static HUD). Those who are concerned about the risk of burn-in should go with an LCD TV for the peace of mind.

It's not something I'm going to be worried about, it's for mixed usage in my house and only really gets long usage for gaming on weekends when the kids are off.

Monolake · 13-11-2020 10:41am

Cyrus wrote: »

I can only assume your monitor was better than your tv spec wise ? The best TVs will be awesome how could a 4k 120 hz 65inch tv not be amazing ?

Of course they're amazing. A TV like that, properly calibrated, absolutely stunning.

But I'm referring strictly to the size of the panel. Of course I can only speak for myself but I find being right up against a screen much more immersive and it makes me more reactive and frankly better at games.

For whatever reason, being up close to a large TV is different. The mechanics aren't quite the same. I've played on a professionally calibrated monster panel. When I became used to the sheer spectacle of it what I was left with was a diminished gameplay experience, especially when playing competitively or indeed just competing with my own top scores and times.

For me 27" is the sweet spot. It's large enough to dominate your frontal vision but you're not rolling your eyes across the screen as you would being as close as is comfortably possible to a TV. First person games, any kind of schmup or, in particular, racing games are my bag. I get pulled into a flow state that I simply don't get when I'm perched in front of an enormous panel. There's just no comparison.

I'm not heaping criticism on TVs. Just last night I was flaked out on the sofa playing Tetris Effect: Connected and having a grand old time. I'm just excited about where consoles have headed and their increasing suitability for high end gaming panels.

But who knows? Perhaps 120Hz will entice me permanently back into the living room.

ED E · 13-11-2020 10:47am

4K at 27" is overkill, assuming the PS5 supports 1440p just go for that. Much cheaper 120hz panel and spend the saving on games.

TitianGerm · 13-11-2020 11:02am

ED E wrote: »

4K at 27" is overkill, assuming the PS5 supports 1440p just go for that. Much cheaper 120hz panel and spend the saving on games.

PS5 does not support 1440P.

Monolake · 13-11-2020 11:08am

ED E wrote: »

4K at 27" is overkill, assuming the PS5 supports 1440p just go for that. Much cheaper 120hz panel and spend the saving on games.

I respectfully disagree. Red Dead Redemption 2 in native 4K on my old 27" towered about everything else I played on the system or indeed on PS4 Pro. But it's a fair point and for many people 1440p will do just fine, especially if their ultimate priority is that super fast refresh rate.

Also, you may be surprised at the price difference. It's about two years since I bought mine but back then the 1440p panels were right up there and oftentimes more expensive. 1440p/144Hz was the panel of choice for PC gamers so there was a vast and expensive selection in that spec range. Thankfully all I needed at the time was 60Hz so I was able to come in at a good price. Of course that situation changes when you're looking for 4K and 120Hz. I haven't even dared to look at those prices yet.

But who knows. Maybe I'll bump it up to 32". I'm currently saving towards a major audio/visual overhaul so I have time to assess the market and my exact requirements.

My ultimate set up will be a Series S on my trusty old 1080p for casual gaming in the living room and then a PS5 and GTX 3080 build in my man cave.

Homelander · 13-11-2020 3:01pm

Yeah it drove me nuts that PS4 didn't support 1440P when Xbox did, now even the PS5 doesn't. PS4 looked like absolute crap on my 1440p monitor.

Dulchie12 · 15-11-2020 2:42pm

Anyone recommend a half decent TV for under €400 to go with the series x? Just for a 13 year old. Thanks

Hey_Listen · 15-11-2020 6:20pm

Dulchie12 wrote: »

Anyone recommend a half decent TV for under €400 to go with the series x? Just for a 13 year old. Thanks

Santa under a lot of pressure this year

I think you really can expect 4K at that price. None of the other series x bells and whistles. Or maybe one of the LG 4K HDR monitors with freesync. See a few different models on Amazon.

Dulchie12 · 15-11-2020 7:13pm

Thanks. I was advised against a monitor but ill look again.

loughrey · 15-11-2020 7:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

To add to this, they only give a 1 year warranty on burn in. What this tells you is they have no confidence in their panels lasting more than a year without suffering burn in.

LG gives zero warranty for burn in. Their one year warranty doesn't cover burn in as they put that down to user error and not to do with a manufacturing defect. i have the LG CX and I absolutely love it but will be using my LG Nanocell for gaming as static HUDs in gaming can be a real issue, especially for games lime Fifa or if you generally only play the same game over and over. I only play Call of Duty, have never and will never be interested in playing any other game, unless maybe Metal Gear Solid 6 comes out. It all depends on your usage. If you're a casual gamer it's not an issue but if you play for hours and hours I'd go for Qled. But don't bank on a burn-in warranty for one year as it doesn't exist with any brand. Some stores offer the chance to buy an accidental damage warranty that covers burn-in but a standard warranty won't as burn-in is considered my the manufacturer to be a consumer misuse of the technology and not their responsibility. Some customers have got lucky to get LG to replace a burn-in panel but that is very rare and more likely got lucky with the agent they used as it is against their policy to cover burn in. So just be aware that you are on your own with burn in, so be careful how you use the TV and gain some knowledge and wisdom about how to avoid it before you buy one.

Hey_Listen · 15-11-2020 9:09pm

Dulchie12 wrote: »

Thanks. I was advised against a monitor but ill look again.

For 400 quid moonitor will have smaller screen. But much better quality rock solid display and text at that price point. Much better in the eyes. They're designed for all day computer work. Go for IPS. You'll get very limited HDR. You will get freesync now. No sound. But controller has a headphone jack and monitor will have speaker out. For smart TV, if that's requires use a Chromecast or firestick. Plus no TV license required. Plus it can be used for office , school work. Takes up much less space.

It's a good option.

I got a 32 inch AOC 1440p freesync IPS monitor in Amazon sale for about 180 euro a year ago. Rock solid beautiful picture. RDR2 looks beautiful on it with an Xbox One X. I've run the same setup on an LG B9 OLED which does look incredible but that's in the family room, so I'm limited to when/what I can run on Xbox there. And it cost at least 5 times the price.

Dulchie12 · 15-11-2020 9:21pm

I'm clueless. So would a monitor need a separate speaker? Are curved monitors any good?

Hey_Listen · 15-11-2020 9:35pm

Dulchie12 wrote: »

I'm clueless. So would a monitor need a separate speaker? Are curved monitors any good?

Yes, extra speakers . Anything that'll take a headphone jack will do. I bet you have speakers lying around. I just use headphones connected to the Xbox controller. Built in speakers on the cheaper TVs are usually no great anyway.

Not sure curved makes much of a difference to be honest. Except increase price.

Sorry for giving you more options!

A TV will give you everything and a bigger screen. I'd say there will be some decent ones on offer for 400 quid with black Friday sales. And at that price it's not that big a risk. Fine for TV and games, but less versatile than a monitor.

Wolfgang Megahertz · 15-11-2020 9:55pm

Bought this guy a couple of weeks ago. Very impressed with it. Highly recommended.

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-qe55q90t

Does everything you'd want for Series X, aside from Dolby vision. Fantastic picture and surprisingly great sound too.

joe123 · 15-11-2020 11:52pm

Wolfgang Megahertz wrote: »

Bought this guy a couple of weeks ago. Very impressed with it. Highly recommended.

https://www.whathifi.com/reviews/samsung-qe55q90t

Does everything you'd want for Series X, aside from Dolby vision. Fantastic picture and surprisingly great sound too.

Think that's what il be going for, due to gaming habits im ruling the LG CX out in fear of image burn.

Whered you get it and how much?

Notdeco · 16-11-2020 12:09am

joe123 wrote: »

Think that's what il be going for, due to gaming habits im ruling the LG CX out in fear of image burn.

Whered you get it and how much?

Have a look at richersounds.
They are better to deal with than most. Ask them on their thread on boards and make your own mind up.
All the best

Wolfgang Megahertz · 16-11-2020 2:07am

joe123 wrote: »

Think that's what il be going for, due to gaming habits im ruling the LG CX out in fear of image burn.

Whered you get it and how much?

Got it from Currys. Chose it over LG CX for same reason. €1499.

Robertr · 16-11-2020 5:18pm

What about the series S? Given it does not do 4k, whats a good option for 1080p @ 120hz?

Looking for something between 30-40 in.

joe123 · 16-11-2020 6:02pm

Robertr wrote: »

What about the series S? Given it does not do 4k, whats a good option for 1080p @ 120hz?

Looking for something between 30-40 in.

At that size you are probably better off going for a gaming monitor?

I dont think TV's in the 30-40' really come recommended. And majority of Tv's are 4k by default now.

Robertr · 16-11-2020 6:43pm

Yeah, its strange one.

The only reason I was not going to buy the Series X is I don't feel like dropping 1500+ on a new (4k, 120hz) TV but at the same time the market does not seem to have any TVs that are targeted at the Series S, so you either limit the screen size to about 32" or buy the new 1500+ TV. Then if your spending that much why bother saving the €200 on the console!

I suppose something like this might do:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-Odyssey-LC32G55TQWUXEN-Curved-Monitor/dp/B08C7S79DT/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=monitor&qid=1605541717&refinements=p_n_feature_browse-bin%3A319914031%2Cp_n_feature_two_browse-bin%3A2596482031%7C2596483031&rnid=319915031&s=computers&sr=1-2

Homelander · 16-11-2020 7:27pm

People made kinda similar arguments with the One X and PS4 Pro. If you don't have a 4K TV, there's no point.

That was entirely untrue and it's the same with the Series X and PS5.

You don't need a €1,500 120hz TV to get major advantages from them over the Series S.

But, if you are getting the S and need a screen, there's nothing wrong with either getting a 144hz 27" 1080P/1440P panel, or else a good, solid budget 4K TV either.

1440P on a 4K panel at decent graphics settings still looks fairly solid as you'll be sitting a distance from the screen. I mean there's a "quick fix" version of Apex Legends capped at 1440P 60fps for the PS5, and it's like a different game to the PS4 Pro version on a 4K screen.

I have my gaming PC hooked up to my 4K set and almost always run at 1440P to maintain good high framerate.

EagererBeaver · 17-11-2020 1:00am

Just going back to a point about sound, speakers etc. Any OLED or QLED these days will of course have **** sound. There's no room for proper speakers. Get a quality soundbar.

Mr Crispy · 17-11-2020 9:26pm

Rting's recommendations, for those interested;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwfOPQVgRu8

joe123 · 17-11-2020 11:19pm

Mr Crispy wrote: »

Rting's recommendations, for those interested;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwfOPQVgRu8

Worth calling out that the Samsung Q80T model they have there is not the same as the one in Europe.

As far as I can remember the Q80T in Canada is closer to the Q85T here.

Id love to go with the CX but I've read in too many places now that screen burn is very much a thing due to gaming habits. It's cumulative too so just because I might not play FIFA daily, I could easily hit 3-4 hours in one sitting.

For the money I dont want to be stressing about how long my TV is on for.

brady12 · 17-11-2020 11:48pm

joe123 wrote: »

Worth calling out that the Samsung Q80T model they have there is not the same as the one in Europe.

As far as I can remember the Q80T in Canada is closer to the Q85T here.

Id love to go with the CX but I've read in too many places now that screen burn is very much a thing due to gaming habits. It's cumulative too so just because I might not play FIFA daily, I could easily hit 3-4 hours in one sitting.

For the money I dont want to be stressing about how long my TV is on for.

So what one you going for ?

Hurrache · 18-11-2020 10:12am

joe123 wrote: »

Id love to go with the CX but I've read in too many places now that screen burn is very much a thing due to gaming habits. It's cumulative too so just because I might not play FIFA daily, I could easily hit 3-4 hours in one sitting.

Like I've posted before in this thread, it's not such a big thing, RTings themselves have OLEDs on the go constantly to force screen burn and they don't think it's anything for a normal person to worry about.

Muppet Man · 18-11-2020 10:38am

I bought the LG CX 55" a few weeks back - the quality is astonishing in HDR games. And thats only on an Xbox One X. Cant wait to see what it looks like on the Series X.

Burn in is a concern of course... but said I would take a gamble. For all the LG Oled TV's sold in the world, there seems to be only a very small failure rate... actual proven failures. I'd often do 2 to 3 hours of first person shooters 2 or 3 times a week. I'll let ye know if anything gets burned

joe123 · 18-11-2020 3:33pm

Hurrache wrote: »

Like I've posted before in this thread, it's not such a big thing, RTings themselves have OLEDs on the go constantly to force screen burn and they don't think it's anything for a normal person to worry about.

Yeah I'm not saying its a guarantee but general consensus is 5000 hrs is the benchmark.

So for example 20 hours a week of a game like FIFA results in apps. 4.5 years

Increase to 30 hours a week, and you are looking at just over 3 years before image burn. 5 years should be the minimum for a TV costing this much.

As someone when using a TV either watches a lot of sport or games, thats a lot of static images that I'm always going to be worrying about. If I could buy a warranty that covers image burn id go for the LG CX for sure.

Likely will go with the Q90T for that ease of mind.

Certainly open to opinion on the above tho!

Hococop · 19-11-2020 3:24pm

joe123 wrote: »

Yeah I'm not saying its a guarantee but general consensus is 5000 hrs is the benchmark.

So for example 20 hours a week of a game like FIFA results in apps. 4.5 years

Increase to 30 hours a week, and you are looking at just over 3 years before image burn. 5 years should be the minimum for a TV costing this much.

As someone when using a TV either watches a lot of sport or games, thats a lot of static images that I'm always going to be worrying about. If I could buy a warranty that covers image burn id go for the LG CX for sure.

Likely will go with the Q90T for that ease of mind.

Certainly open to opinion on the above tho!

Looking at the Q90T 55' myself and it looks good, 1400 in curry's atm but just a bit expensive for me still, it's a black friday deal now but I wonder if it will drop more?

druss · 19-11-2020 3:44pm

Hococop wrote: »

Looking at the Q90T 55' myself and it looks good, 1400 in curry's atm but just a bit expensive for me still, it's a black friday deal now but I wonder if it will drop more?

I'm looking at the Q90T, the Q95T and the CX across a range of stores. I have my doubts that the TV's themselves will drop further, but maybe a bundle-in with an Atmos Soundbar.

Maybe us people looking at Samsung should consider a support group to become "friends" and avail of the €200 off offer? Every little helps and all that.

20-11-2020 3:09pm

druss wrote: »

I'm looking at the Q90T, the Q95T and the CX across a range of stores. I have my doubts that the TV's themselves will drop further, but maybe a bundle-in with an Atmos Soundbar.

Maybe us people looking at Samsung should consider a support group to become "friends" and avail of the €200 off offer? Every little helps and all that.

I'm torn between the two as well, Q90T and CX that is. I'd be interested in the friends thing if you have a bit more info on it? (Edit: details here: https://www.samsung.com/ie/refer-a-friend-qled-tv-deal/terms/)

I'm about to ask the Richer Sounds guys if their warranty covers screen burn, I'll link the answer here when I get one.

theteal · 20-11-2020 3:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm torn between the two as well, Q90T and CX that is. I'd be interested in the friends thing if you have a bit more info on it? (Edit: details here: https://www.samsung.com/ie/refer-a-friend-qled-tv-deal/terms/)

I'm about to ask the Richer Sounds guys if their warranty covers screen burn, I'll link the answer here when I get one.

It won't cover burn. Afaik only John Lewis over here sell an extra warranty for burn but even that has some questionable restrictions.

Being honest, were I still in Ireland I'd go for the CX and take my chances with consumer rights channels should you have an issue (caveat, as a gaming TV, not the main living room TV - the mrs and kids would kill it with GMB and Nickelodeon logos)

My plan is still to save a few quid and go for the XH90

DM_2092 · 20-11-2020 4:39pm

I'm using the Samsung TU7100. Its 4k, but no 120hz.

Here it is. I like it.

https://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/UE43TU7100KXXU/

Maestro84 · 20-11-2020 9:33pm

After a lot of research I think I'll go with the LG CX. Hoping for a good deal on the 48 inch on Black Friday .

wotzgoingon · 21-11-2020 6:11pm

Got this Tv last week very happy with it. 4k 120Hz VRR HDMI2.1 HDR

F1ngers · 21-11-2020 6:16pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Got this Tv last week very happy with it. 4k 120Hz VRR HDMI2.1 HDR

What tv is it?

wotzgoingon · 21-11-2020 7:16pm

F1ngers wrote: »

What tv is it?

This https://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-49nano866na

D_BEAR · 23-11-2020 11:28am

wotzgoingon wrote: »

This https://www.lg.com/uk/tvs/lg-49nano866na

I was going to get that TV a few weeks ago but the specs on the LG site say refresh rate is 100Hz. Looking at your pic I take it it works at 120Hz.

Hococop · 23-11-2020 12:44pm

D_BEAR wrote: »

I was going to get that TV a few weeks ago but the specs on the LG site say refresh rate is 100Hz. Looking at your pic I take it it works at 120Hz.

Saw the same thing when I went looking on currys, I'm assuming this is the one? If it's 120hz I'd be interested

https://www.currys.ie/ieen/tv-and-home-entertainment/televisions/televisions/lg-49nano866na-49-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-led-tv-with-google-assistant-amazon-alexa-10206281-pdt.html

recyclops · 23-11-2020 1:32pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Got this Tv last week very happy with it. 4k 120Hz VRR HDMI2.1 HDR

can you take a photo of the page on the xbox where it shows what your TV supports, it in settings somewhere I would imagine its full of green Ticks and no Red X

nevaeh-2die-4 · 23-11-2020 2:10pm

I’m in the market myself for a new tv my LG 4K is about 2 years old and it’s got a blue tint to it and the picture is very dark ..

A quick google will show that it’s a known issues

Would this be an ok tv for a bedroom on a budget ?

https://www.currys.ie/ieen/tv-and-home-entertainment/televisions/televisions/jvc-lt-40cf890-fire-tv-edition-40-smart-4k-ultra-hd-hdr-led-tv-with-amazon-alexa-10195287-pdt.html

gar · 23-11-2020 3:01pm

Also looking for a new TV. Have a 43" Sony Android 1080P.
55" is just too big but may get away with 50". Any recommendations for 4K and being smart?

23-11-2020 3:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm torn between the two as well, Q90T and CX that is. I'd be interested in the friends thing if you have a bit more info on it? (Edit: details here: https://www.samsung.com/ie/refer-a-friend-qled-tv-deal/terms/)

I'm about to ask the Richer Sounds guys if their warranty covers screen burn, I'll link the answer here when I get one.

Reply from RS:

Screen burn is something that can happen on OLED but if you take regular breaks and change game or the TV station you should not experience it.
To be honest it is very rare for it to happen.

If it does worry you then perhaps QLED is the way to go.
Both are great form of technology and their televisions produce fantastic images.

Our 6 year guarantee would not cover screen burn. Eve the 1 year manufacturers warranty does not cover it.

Both TV were just dropped in price a the start of the week as part of our Black Friday deals.
We have a 14 days price promise in place at the minute so if you made a purchase and the price drops within 14 days you can drop us a call and we can refund any valid price drop back to you.

theteal · 23-11-2020 3:38pm

gar wrote: »

Also looking for a new TV. Have a 43" Sony Android 1080P.
55" is just too big but may get away with 50". Any recommendations for 4K and being smart?

The slightly higher model than the one spoken of a lot here (XH90) is the XH95 and it comes in "49. It a better display and processor than the XH90 but it does not have, nor will it get the HDMI 2.1 features that make the 90 so popular for gaming. The OLEDs now come in "48 but they're more expensive that their "55 variants from what I can see

wotzgoingon · 23-11-2020 5:18pm

D_BEAR wrote: »

I was going to get that TV a few weeks ago but the specs on the LG site say refresh rate is 100Hz. Looking at your pic I take it it works at 120Hz.

I was thinking that too before I bought it but it is 120Hz.

recyclops wrote: »

can you take a photo of the page on the xbox where it shows what your TV supports, it in settings somewhere I would imagine its full of green Ticks and no Red X

Here.

theteal · 23-11-2020 6:44pm

topnotch wrote: »

I decided to order a Sony KD-55XH9505 and am waiting for it to be delivered.
My old Bravia is 12 years old. The only draw back is that it has only 1 HDMI 2.1.

You sure? I was under the impression that the XH95 doesn't have the chipset for HDMI 2.1

A quick search show this

brady12 · 23-11-2020 6:50pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I was thinking that too before I bought it but it is 120Hz.

Here.

that tv seems like a bargain?how many 2.1 hdmi ports does it have? im in market for a 4k tv and was looking keep spend below 1k that looks like a real option to me now

wotzgoingon · 23-11-2020 7:11pm

brady12 wrote: »

that tv seems like a bargain?how many 2.1 hdmi ports does it have? im in market for a 4k tv and was looking keep spend below 1k that looks like a real option to me now

It has two HDMI 2.1 120Hz sockets and two other non 2.1 HDMI sockets. The Tv also has VRR and auto low-latency mode.

Hococop · 23-11-2020 11:12pm

wotzgoingon wrote: »

It has two HDMI 2.1 120Hz sockets and two other non 2.1 HDMI sockets. The Tv also has VRR and auto low-latency mode.

How are you finding it, was reading it might have blacklight blees, have you noticed it?

New tv for series x

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