Guy touches girls arm, faces 10 years for sexual assault

Bannerlad123 · 11-10-2019 10:22am

The West is ****ed alright.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 10:25am

osarusan wrote: »

I agree with that, and said as much earlier in the thread.
Although I have to agree with an earlier poster on your use of language - him standing facing a hedge has become 'hide in a hedge' and him touching her has become 'grab'. That kind of stuff doesn't do you any favours.

I don't care about favors.

Facing a hedge waiting for someone to apprach does suggest hiding.

Trying to touch a breast or grab a breast or touch her full stop and what words are used is silly semantics.

osarusan wrote: »

That's just an 'if' though, although it's an 'if' the judge must have agreed with. Based purely on what he did, and not what he might have done later, I think it's harsh to call it a sexual assault rather than a common assault.

She had no doubt that was the motivation.

Primarily I'm guessing because she didn't base her decision on a vague slanted daily mail article.

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 10:26am

AulWan wrote: »

I love men. Not creeps who believe they have the right to touch women and call it flirting.

If you can't approach a woman without keeping your hands to yourself, you have bigger problems.

Did you ask the man if he gave you consent to love him? :eek:

deandean · 11-10-2019 10:27am

Well, for research I went and Googled "How to make a friend".
There's some very helpful advice online. Here are a few:

- Reach out to acquaintances.
- Take the first step.
- Be yourself.
- Make the effort to stay in touch.

Hmm, maybe that lad took the recommendations too literally and this was all a huge misunderstanding :eek:

Midster · 11-10-2019 10:28am

AulWan wrote: »

If you can't approach a woman without keeping your hands to yourself, you have bigger problems.

Your argument holds no water what so ever, literally billions of really good relationships have started because of a single touch, or a stolen kiss.

Men do it, and so do women.

You wish to encourage outrage in something that may, just may have been one of the first steps to your parents falling in love, and thus you being born, a good percentage of the 7 billion people living on this planet own there existence to an awkward or flirty touch to another.

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 10:29am

Boggles wrote: »

I don't care about favors.

Facing a hedge waiting for someone to apprach does suggest hiding.

Trying to touch a breast or grab a breast or touch her full stop is silly semantics.

Oh stop. A man grabbing a woman's breast is different from a man touching a woman's hand, or even (:eek:) arm to get attention.

As I've said, most parts of the southern world would be all shipped off to a prison camp if some of the posters had their way.

seamus · 11-10-2019 10:32am

deandean wrote: »

Hmm, maybe that lad took the recommendations too literally and this was all a huge misunderstanding :eek:

More than likely he reached out on an incel forum that he frequents to get advice on "getting girls" and some sociopath told him that women like to be taken be surprised and are impressed by a strong man who grabs them roughly and takes charge.

Realising how stupid and sinister this makes him sound, his solicitor coached him into changing the language so it sounds like it was an innocent google with really innocent intention.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 10:35am

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Oh stop. A man grabbing a woman's breast is different from a man touching a woman's hand, or even (:eek:) arm to get attention.

I 100% agree.

Now a man "concealing" themselves with the "aid of a hedge" and lying in wait for a school girl that doesn't know him and then he proceeds to try and and touch her is illegal, it is illegal for a very good reason. Surely you agree with that.

We can't have young strange men stalking school girls, correct? Not in a normal society?

Trying to conflate what actually happened to the school girl in this instance with "sure a woman touched before in a pub" is beyond silly.

osarusan · 11-10-2019 10:38am

Boggles wrote: »

Facing a hedge waiting for someone to apprach does suggest hiding.

Not when the girl testified that she could see him facing the hedge as she approached him.

Boggles wrote: »

Trying to touch a breast or grab a breast or touch her full stop and what words are used is silly semantics.

It's not silly semantics.

If the girl had testified that as she was walking, he had suddenly emerged from behind or inside a hedge and grabbed, or tried to grab her breast, there would be a lot less discussion about the sentence.

But that's not what she testified, because that's not what happened. You know it's not what happened. And, as I said, it does you not favours in terms of credibility to try and (not so subtly) use words like 'hide' and 'grab' to portray what happened in that way.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 10:42am

osarusan wrote: »

Not when the girl testified that she could see him facing the hedge as she approached him.

It's not silly semantics.

If the girl had testified that as she was walking, he had suddenly emerged from behind or inside a hedge and grabbed, or tried to grab her breast, there would be a lot less discussion about the sentence.

But that's not what she testified, because that's not what happened. You know it's not what happened. And, as I said, it does you not favours in terms of credibility to try and (not so subtly) use words like 'hide' and 'grab' to portray what happened in that way.

Why was he facing the hedge?

To obscure his face.

That is hiding.

Midster · 11-10-2019 10:50am

I know this guy who was with me at the time in a nightclub, he saw this girl he liked, he undid the zip on his jeans, pulled it out and walked right up to her like that and kissed her.

She wasn’t expecting it

Was completely taken by surprise by it

And yet there still together now, 15 years later!!

It’s an extreme example I know, but it’s true, and it really happened, they have 4 kids now. Each one of them not knowingly owing there very existence to that moment.

osarusan · 11-10-2019 10:53am

Midster wrote: »

I know this guy who was with me at the time in a nightclub, he saw this girl he liked, he undid the zip on his jeans, pulled it out and walked right up to her like that and kissed her.

She wasn’t expecting it

Was completely taken by surprise by it

And yet there still together now, 15 years later!!

It’s an extreme example I know, but it’s true, and it really happened, they have 4 kids now. Each one of them not knowingly owing there very existence to that moment.

I too have a range of extraordinary yet convenient anecdotes at my disposal.

One eyed Jack · 11-10-2019 10:59am

Midster wrote: »

I know this guy who was with me at the time in a nightclub, he saw this girl he liked, he undid the zip on his jeans, pulled it out and walked right up to her like that and kissed her.

She wasn’t expecting it

Was completely taken by surprise by it

And yet there still together now, 15 years later!!

It’s an extreme example I know, but it’s true, and it really happened, they have 4 kids now. Each one of them not knowingly owing there very existence to that moment.

And like you said earlier- the circumstances could have gone the other way, in which his advances were unwelcome, and the girl he approached has a right to make a complaint against him. If he repeated his actions, as the guy in this case did when he was ignored the first time, then neither he nor you can be surprised when she makes a complaint against him. How much shìte do you imagine people are supposed to put up with exactly? You’re not entitled to treat people like that and expect there should be no consequences. That’s why this chap found himself in the dock, and your friend could have easily found himself in the dock too if the girl decided to make a complaint against him. It’s as though you imagine you don’t have to be aware of how other people might not welcome your actions, like your friend just sauntering up to strangers with his mickey out. Fcuking weirdo.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 11:04am

I like to know at what point this school girl should have waited before reporting him?

5th or 6th, waited until it developed into a far more serious assault maybe?

You'd have the same Edgelords on here blaming her for not reporting him sooner.

AulWan · 11-10-2019 11:32am

Times have changed.

Thankfully these days women no longer have to accept your unwanted advances or pretend they like it when strange men casually touch them like its their right.

It's creepy as ****. It's perfectly possible to flirt without touching. Try it. You might even have more success with the ladies by not acting like a creep.

AulWan · 11-10-2019 11:35am

Midster wrote: »

I know this guy who was with me at the time in a nightclub, he saw this girl he liked, he undid the zip on his jeans, pulled it out and walked right up to her like that and kissed her.

She wasn’t expecting it

Was completely taken by surprise by it

And yet there still together now, 15 years later!!

It’s an extreme example I know, but it’s true, and it really happened, they have 4 kids now. Each one of them not knowingly owing there very existence to that moment.

That's disgusting, and now he would be charged with indecent exposure. What an animal. And she must have either had no self respect or self esteem, to allow herself to be treated like that.

SexBobomb · 11-10-2019 11:35am

AulWan wrote: »

Times have changed.

Thankfully these days women no longer have to accept your unwanted advances or pretend they like it when strange men casually touch them like its their right.

It's creepy as ****. It's perfectly possible to flirt without touching. Try it. You might even have more success with the ladies by not acting like a creep.

Nah, cant trust em not to get you with some charge if they don't fancy you back.
If I wind up single again I'm going gay.

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 12:00pm

Boggles wrote: »

I like to know at what point this school girl should have waited before reporting him?

5th or 6th, waited until it developed into a far more serious assault maybe?

You'd have the same Edgelords on here blaming her for not reporting him sooner.

What percentage of men are rapists? Really, honest answer?

As a sidenote, would you be worried about a woman turning into a rapist?

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 12:02pm

Boggles wrote: »

I 100% agree.

Now a man "concealing" themselves with the "aid of a hedge" and lying in wait for a school girl that doesn't know him and then he proceeds to try and and touch her is illegal, it is illegal for a very good reason. Surely you agree with that.

We can't have young strange men stalking school girls, correct? Not in a normal society?

Trying to conflate what actually happened to the school girl in this instance with "sure a woman touched before in a pub" is beyond silly.

:rolleyes:

Boggles · 11-10-2019 12:05pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

What percentage of men are rapists? Really, honest answer?

I don't see how that is relevant.

A more pertinent question would be, how many men who display the predatory acts this guy did go on to commit further sexual assaults?

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

As a sidenote, would you be worried about a woman turning into a rapist?

I don't really see what gender has to do with

If a woman was stalking random school girls or boys like this cretin she should definitely be arrested and charged.

Boggles · 11-10-2019 12:07pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

:rolleyes:

Go on so lad.

What should have happened in this case.

She should have just shrugged it off and gone on with her life, the stupid young bint?

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 12:09pm

Boggles wrote: »

I don't see how that is relevant.

A more pertinent question would be, how many men who display the predatory acts this guy did go on to commit further sexual assaults?

I don't really see what gender has to do with

If a woman was stalking random school girls or boys like this cretin she should definitely be arrested and charged.

How in the world is that pertinent when the whole point of the question was to highlight the fact that your painting all men with the rape brush because of a minority of men?

And, yes, gender is pertinent and your assumption is absolutely and positively false.

Do you honestly believe that an 18 year old girl would have the cops called for 'stalking' a 17 year old boy? Really?

Boggles · 11-10-2019 12:11pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

How in the world is that pertinent when the whole point of the question was to highlight the fact that your painting all men with the rape brush because of a minority of men?

WTF, is there something wrong with you?

I have discussed what happened in this case and this case only.

Put down the coolade, whoever you are mad at, it sure shouldn't be me.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-10-2019 12:42pm

Midster wrote: »

What ever happened to being flirty, or being touchy feely. I know plenty of women who’s whole personality revolves around being those things.
So you think some men aren’t the same? You want to make there whole personalities illegal now.
Some of the women I’ve known have stuttered, blushed and deliberately rubbed themselves up against the man they were after in order to get his attention.

You want to outlaw anyone making any kind of forward advances.

And for those who’s heart really does stop when they see the woman of there dreams walk in the room, to nervous to talk properly, to nervous to even stand without shaking legs, they go against everything to awkwardly say hello and ask for her number.

Let’s face it you just hate men. Period

I tho k you might be reducing people's personality of you think their entire personality revolves around being flirty. That might be all you see or pay attention to, but people are more Complex than that. But even if they were that simple as you suggest. They are free to do as they like with each other.

I personally am not offended by someone touching my arm. It probably wouldn't stand out in memory. But I know other people don't have to like the things I like. So I wouldn't touch a stranger without knowing what they like. It's pretty simple really.

I certainly don't hate men. Sorry to hear you feel hated.

NUTLEY BOY · 11-10-2019 12:53pm

Hopefully, this gets reviewed by the Crown Court on appeal.

Midster · 11-10-2019 1:05pm

AulWan wrote: »

That's disgusting, and now he would be charged with indecent exposure. What an animal. And she must have either had no self respect or self esteem, to allow herself to be treated like that.

There are exceptions of course but mostly all of the women I personally have had relationships with, have all said quite openly how they prefer the bad boy type, the tattooed, the aggressive looking, the rough in bed.

For some women it’s a huge turn on, in a conversation these women can go from ordinary mundane thoughts, to wild sexual internal thoughts of fantasy.
For some women men who can achieve this are a preference.

So a man is no longer allowed to take risks in conversation, no longer allowed to reach out and perhaps steel a kiss to see how she reacts.

You wish everyone of us to approach sex, love in the same way and make every alternative illegal.

Well no offense, but it sounds like a magnolia world to me.

And in a world we’re the only color allowed is magnolia, people scream out for variety

Boggles · 11-10-2019 1:07pm

NUTLEY BOY wrote: »

Hopefully, this gets reviewed by the Crown Court on appeal.

I don't know what reviewed means.

I imagine the appeal court would agree that young male adults should not be touching school girls for self gratification.

Or what specific point of law do you think the Judge erred on?

AulWan · 11-10-2019 1:15pm

Midster wrote: »

AulWan wrote: »

That's disgusting, and now he would be charged with indecent exposure. What an animal. And she must have either had no self respect or self esteem, to allow herself to be treated like that.

There are exceptions of course but mostly all of the women I personally have had relationships with, have all said quite openly how they prefer the bad boy type, the tattooed, the aggressive looking, the rough in bed.

For some women it’s a huge turn on, in a conversation these women can go from ordinary mundane thoughts, to wild sexual internal thoughts of fantasy.
For some women men who can achieve this are a preference.

So a man is no longer allowed to take risks in conversation, no longer allowed to reach out and perhaps steel a kiss to see how she reacts.

You wish everyone of us to approach sex, love in the same way and make every alternative illegal.

Well no offense, but it sounds like a magnolia world to me.

And in a world we’re the only color allowed is magnolia, people scream out for variety

I feel sorry for you. The days were a male just grabbed the female of his choice and dragged her back to his cave, are over. Sorry if this threatens your masculine ego. Actually, no, not sorry at all.

Midster · 11-10-2019 1:18pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I certainly don't hate men. Sorry to hear you feel hated.

I don’t believe I’m alone in saying I think men as a species feel like we are being attacked, and turned into monsters.

We are not monsters.

Men have always taken risks, but now you are making the consequences so real for us we are eventually going to stop taking risks for love.

And women who are sexually attracted to men who take risks and the men who are brave enough to make the first move will be left high and dry.

byronbay2 · 11-10-2019 1:19pm

What I don't understand is: How can he be convicted on 2 charges of sexual assault when both sides agree that no sexual assault occurred? Is it because of her assertion that he would have touched her breast if she had not moved away? Does that belief on her part constitute sexual assault on his?

Midster · 11-10-2019 1:20pm

AulWan wrote: »

I feel sorry for you. The days were a male just grabbed the female of his choice and dragged her back to his cave, are over. Sorry if this threatens your masculine ego. Actually, no, not sorry at all.

Like I said,

magnolia

Salary Negotiator · 11-10-2019 1:23pm

Midster wrote: »

I don’t believe I’m alone in saying I think men as a species feel like we are being attacked, and turned into monsters.

We are not monsters.

Men have always taken risks, but now you are making the consequences so real for us we are eventually going to stop taking risks for love.

And women who are sexually attracted to men who take risks and the men who are brave enough to make the first move will be left high and dry.

There’s a huge difference between making the first move and walking up to random women and placing your hands on them.

AulWan · 11-10-2019 1:25pm

Magnolia, because I don't find men who behave like neanderthals a turn on?

OK then.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-10-2019 1:35pm

Midster wrote: »

I don’t believe I’m alone in saying I think men as a species feel like we are being attacked, and turned into monsters.

We are not monsters.

Men have always taken risks, but now you are making the consequences so real for us we are eventually going to stop taking risks for love.

And women who are sexually attracted to men who take risks and the men who are brave enough to make the first move will be left high and dry.

I don't feel like I'm being attacked and turned into a monster. But like I said in the last post, I don't go around touching people I don't know and expect them to be happy about it. I think things are just changing like things have always changed. Most people will adapt and some will be unable to adapt and will be left behind.

If you don't think you're able to cope with the reality, maybe that's something to work on for you.

Midster · 11-10-2019 1:36pm

AulWan wrote: »

Magnolia, because I don't find men who behave like neanderthals a turn on?

OK then.

Magnolia because you expect everyone to have the same preferences as you, by making all the others illegal and or unethical.

Get a grip of yourselves before you judge, what’s wrong for you might be what another has been waiting for there whole lives.

But, both the chancer and the waiter are left high and dry. Forced to conform by a society that has become so thin skinned that touching a woman’s arm lands the chancer in jail.

This terrifies the rest of us, the chancers stop taking chancers, and the waiters have to make do with a librarian.

Magnolia

One eyed Jack · 11-10-2019 2:06pm

Midster wrote: »

I don’t believe I’m alone in saying I think men as a species feel like we are being attacked, and turned into monsters.

We are not monsters.

Men have always taken risks, but now you are making the consequences so real for us we are eventually going to stop taking risks for love.

And women who are sexually attracted to men who take risks and the men who are brave enough to make the first move will be left high and dry.

What, like your mate approaching women with his mickey hanging out? How romantic :rolleyes: What happened to the shy guy who couldn’t speak to women and the human race was doomed if women complained about their behaviour and women would only have themselves to thank for the extinction of the human race?

You’re being ridiculous, basically. Nobody is suggesting men are monsters, but when you use examples to make your point of your mate approaching women with his mickey hanging out, in a thread where a 17 year old girl wanted nothing to do with the guy, your example doesn’t do anything to defend men, it makes us look like animals.

You’re basically saying women have a choice between being approached by a creep who either can’t express himself, or can only express himself by waving his cock at women, or else women will be left high and dry. Fortunately for the sanity of the human race, those aren’t people’s only choices, and for the minority of men whom you speak of who think the human race would die out without their attempts at romantic gestures, I think humanity is safe enough without their heroism :rolleyes:

You still haven’t been able to address when a guys advances are unwelcome and he persists, as were the circumstances in this case.

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 2:22pm

Boggles wrote: »

WTF, is there something wrong with you?

I have discussed what happened in this case and this case only.

Put down the coolade, whoever you are mad at, it sure shouldn't be me.

Isn't that the definition of gas lighting? :P

11-10-2019 2:25pm

Midster wrote: »

Your argument holds no water what so ever, literally billions of really good relationships have started because of a single touch, or a stolen kiss.

There is a world of difference between being forward, making the first move, touching someone's shoulder, brushing hair out of their eyes etc. in an appropriate setting and making repeated, unwanted physical contact with a schoolgirl on a railway bridge after she's already made it known that she finds it unacceptable.

Your reluctance to accept this and attempts to muddy the waters is ridiculous.

Midster wrote: »

There are exceptions of course but mostly all of the women I personally have had relationships with, have all said quite openly how they prefer the bad boy type, the tattooed, the aggressive looking, the rough in bed.

For some women it’s a huge turn on, in a conversation these women can go from ordinary mundane thoughts, to wild sexual internal thoughts of fantasy.
For some women men who can achieve this are a preference.

So a man is no longer allowed to take risks in conversation, no longer allowed to reach out and perhaps steel a kiss to see how she reacts.

You wish everyone of us to approach sex, love in the same way and make every alternative illegal.

Well no offense, but it sounds like a magnolia world to me.

And in a world we’re the only color allowed is magnolia, people scream out for variety

Now you're trying to conflate being a 'bad boy' with whipping your flute out in a nightclub and sauntering over towards someone. Have you taken leave of your senses? What your mate did is illegal, for good reason. trying to paint him as 'the Fonz' is laughable.

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 2:33pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is a world of difference between being forward, making the first move, touching someone's shoulder, brushing hair out of their eyes etc. in an appropriate setting and making repeated, unwanted physical contact with a schoolgirl on a railway bridge after she's already made it known that she finds it unacceptable.

Your reluctance to accept this and attempts to muddy the waters is ridiculous.

Now you're trying to conflate being a 'bad boy' with whipping your flute out in a nightclub and sauntering over towards someone. Have you taken leave of your senses? What your mate did is illegal, for good reason. trying to paint him as 'the Fonz' is laughable.

Wasn't he a schoolboy also?

Edit: Yes, they were actually studying their a levels together at the same school.

11-10-2019 2:41pm

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Wasn't he a schoolboy also?

Edit: Yes, they were actually studying their a levels together at the same school.

Indeed he was, the language used in the original article led me to believe he was in college at the time. They were both schoolkids, he was 18 she was 17.

Midster · 11-10-2019 2:45pm

Ok so let’s turn things back a bit here.

Who in this conversation thinks the punishment fits the so called crime.

I’d like to know

Personally, my view is the punishment was to harsh.

That’s my stance

Salary Negotiator · 11-10-2019 2:49pm

Midster wrote: »

Ok so let’s turn things back a bit here.

Who in this conversation thinks the punishment fits the so called crime.

I’d like to know

Personally, my view is the punishment was to harsh.

That’s my stance

What punishment?

Midster · 11-10-2019 2:52pm

10 year sentence

El_Duderino 09 · 11-10-2019 2:53pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

What punishment?

The 10 years in prison and the declaration that all men are monsters and the subsequent ruling that men and women are now going to be moved from room to room by robot to make sure they don't interact.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-10-2019 2:54pm

Midster wrote: »

10 year sentence

LOL. Didn't read the article before getting outraged.

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 2:56pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

What punishment?

Being registered in a sex offenders list and having his career and future life ruined.

But, the schoolgirl was thraumatised into not being able to take her mock exam. Which made her fail the real exam due to the trauma.

She mentioned it in the article a few times.

One eyed Jack · 11-10-2019 3:01pm

Midster wrote: »

10 year sentence

He hasn’t been sentenced yet, and the 10 years mentioned in the thread title and in the Daily Mail article is the maximum possible sentence that can be handed down in the Crown Courts for sexual assault of a far more serious nature. This guy was tried in the lower Magistrates Court where the maximum sentences are more like community service - reformation and restitution as opposed to incarceration.

Salary Negotiator · 11-10-2019 3:02pm

Midster wrote: »

10 year sentence

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

Being registered in a sex offenders list and having his career and future life ruined.

But, the schoolgirl was thraumatised into not being able to take her mock exam. Which made her fail the real exam due to the trauma.

She mentioned it in the article a few times.

Ah lads come on, read the article properly.

He hasn't been sentenced yet, nor has he been placed on the sex offenders register. We don't know what his punishment is going to be.

It's a magistrates court too, so the sentence is unlikely to be custodial more likely to be some sort of community service or even mandated consent classes.

Eric Cartman · 11-10-2019 3:07pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Ah lads come on, read the article properly.

He hasn't been sentenced yet, nor has he been placed on the sex offenders register. We don't know what his punishment is going to be.

It's a magistrates court too, so the sentence is unlikely to be custodial more likely to be some sort of community service or even mandated consent classes.

I think most of us understand that. That it even ended up in a court or that there is a facility for that to happen is the worrying part

Reviews and Books Galore · 11-10-2019 3:10pm

Salary Negotiator wrote: »

Ah lads come on, read the article properly.

He hasn't been sentenced yet, nor has he been placed on the sex offenders register. We don't know what his punishment is going to be.

It's a magistrates court too, so the sentence is unlikely to be custodial more likely to be some sort of community service or even mandated consent classes.

quote="Salary Negotiator;111483375"]Ah lads come on, read the article properly.

He hasn't been sentenced yet, nor has he been placed on the sex offenders register. We don't know what his punishment is going to be.

It's a magistrates court too, so the sentence is unlikely to be custodial more likely to be some sort of community service or even mandated consent classes.[/quote]

I'd be shocked if he wasn't placed on a sex offenders list as he has been found guilty of sexual assault.

Tbh, its absurd

Guy touches girls arm, faces 10 years for sexual assault

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